June 10, 20241 yr 46 minutes ago, jdm00 said: I don't think I've actually seen/heard the phrase "Metropolitan Cleveland" before this. I thought most of our NE Ohio folks called it "NEO" or "Greater Cleveland" when talking about the CSA. (Though I could be remembering that wrong.) I view Greater Cleveland and Northeast Ohio as 2 separate things.
June 10, 20241 yr So I didn't expect our annual "Akron is/isn't part of Metro Cleveland" posts to be in the F500 thread but here we are... "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 10, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, ColDayMan said: So I didn't expect our annual "Akron is/isn't part of Metro Cleveland" posts to be in the F500 thread but here we are... Annual? Too kind
June 10, 20241 yr Fair. Monthly? "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 10, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, freefourur said: I view Greater Cleveland and Northeast Ohio as 2 separate things. I do too, but people say "Northeast Ohio" all the time when them mean Greater Cleveland--or even Cuyahoga County--or even Cleveland itself. Northeast Ohio is the area that includes Youngstown and Canton---but people often say it when the mean Cleveland and the surrounding burbs. It weakens Cleveland and it is probably led by suburbanites. Crain's had a great article on it a while ago, but its behind a paywall. Its also on the CFC site--I send this to people from time to time when I hear people saying NEO when they should be saying Greater Cleveland--I keep it bookmarked!: https://www.centerforcleveland.org/blog/please-stop-saying-northeast-ohio
June 11, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, Gabriel said: Northeast Ohio is the area that includes Youngstown and Canton---but people often say it when the mean Cleveland and the surrounding burbs. It weakens Cleveland and it is probably led by suburbanites. Yes, all those wily suburbanites conspiring to take Cleveland down through semantics.
June 11, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, jeremyck01 said: Yes, all those suburbanites conspiring to take Cleveland down through semantics. Correct, its' not the suburbs responsibility to prop up Cleveland. The population of Cleveland has gone from a high of 914,000 population to now barely above 360,000 people. Is that the fault of the suburbs also. Northeast Ohio is a very complicated place, with Cleveland, Akron, Canton, and Youngstown all being the center of their own Metro areas. And with Akron/Canton being the exception they are very culturally different.
June 2Jun 2 Fortune's 2025 list is out. If I've counted correctly, NEO has 20 in the top 1000. Ohio in total has 52 companies listed.57 Progressive191 Sherwin Williams215 Parker Hannifin221 Cleveland Cliffs223 Goodyear326 First Energy436 Key Corp445 Avery Dennison466 Smucker's475 TransDigm504 RPM708 Timken716 Applied Industrial Tech.734 Medical Mutual741 Hyster Yale774 Lincoln Electric813 Diebold Nixdorf877 Avient971 Master Brand994 Nordson Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
June 2Jun 2 Very sad Parker has lost its 216 designation / ranking from last year. At least it had it for a year! : )
June 2Jun 2 2025 Fortune 500 list is out and, as always, Ohio did well with 28 (#5 on the list of states). https://fortune.com/ranking/fortune500/?statename=Ohio Cincinnati MSA - 8Cleveland MSA - 7Columbus MSA - 5Toledo MSA - 4Akron MSA - 2Findlay MSA - 1Wooster MSA - 1 Toledo continues to impress! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 2Jun 2 59 minutes ago, Dougal said:Fortune's 2025 list is out. If I've counted correctly, NEO has 20 in the top 1000. Ohio in total has 52 companies listed.57 Progressive191 Sherwin Williams215 Parker Hannifin221 Cleveland Cliffs223 Goodyear326 First Energy436 Key Corp445 Avery Dennison466 Smucker's475 TransDigm504 RPM708 Timken716 Applied Industrial Tech.734 Medical Mutual741 Hyster Yale774 Lincoln Electric813 Diebold Nixdorf877 Avient971 Master Brand994 NordsonCentral Ohio has 17, 18 if you want to count Big Lots. 14 Cardinal Health75 Nationwide217 AEP375 Huntington481 Bath & Body Works517 Vertiv556 Victoria's Secret628 Greif631 Bread Financial652 Worthington Enterprises666 Big Lots (RIP)709 Abercrombie & Fitch741 M/I Homes775 Mettler-Toledo 810 Scotts Miracle-Gro879 Designer Brands881 Advanced Drainage Systems936 Installed Building ProductsSomeone from the other metro areas can count up their companies as well.
June 2Jun 2 Ohio's full list below:RankNameRemoveRevenues ($M)RemoveRevenue Percent ChangeRemoveProfits ($M)RemoveProfits Percent ChangeRemoveAssets ($M)RemoveMarket Value ($M)RemoveChange in Rank (Full 1000)RemoveEmployeesRemoveChange in Rank (500 only)15Cardinal Health$226,82710.6%$852226.4%$45,121$33,280.8-148,411-1View More details about Cardinal Health27Kroger$147,123-1.9%$2,66523.2%$52,616$44,540-2409,000-2View More details about Kroger29Marathon Petroleum$140,412-6.6%$3,445-64.4%$78,858$45,387-518,300-5View More details about Marathon Petroleum51Procter & Gamble$84,0392.5%$14,8791.5%$122,370$399,609.6-1108,000-1View More details about Procter & Gamble57Progressive$75,37221.4%$8,480117.3%$105,745$165,910.7566,3085View More details about Progressive72Nationwide$58,645.97.4%$2,062.2-$307,070.9-322,4533View More details about Nationwide118General Electric (GE Aerospace)$38,702-43%$6,556-30.9%$123,140$213,475.7-6253,000-62View More details about General Electric (GE Aerospace)191Sherwin-Williams$23,098.50.2%$2,681.412.2%$23,632.6$87,824.8-1563,890-15View More details about Sherwin-Williams215Parker-Hannifin$19,929.64.5%$2,844.236.5%$29,297.8$78,269.7161,1201View More details about Parker-Hannifin218American Electric Power$19,721.33.9%$2,967.134.4%$103,078$58,348.8-116,330-1View More details about American Electric Power221Cleveland-Cliffs$19,185-12.8%$-754-289%$20,947$4,064.6-3630,000-36View More details about Cleveland-Cliffs223Goodyear Tire & Rubber$18,878-5.9%$70-$20,964$2,634.5-1968,000-19View More details about Goodyear Tire & Rubber310Western & Southern Financial Group$13,769.2-6.8%$875.280.5%$81,187.5--262,744-26View More details about Western & Southern Financial Group320Fifth Third Bancorp$13,2755%$2,314-1.5%$212,927$26,189.5118,6161View More details about Fifth Third Bancorp326FirstEnergy$13,0434.8%$978-11.3%$52,044$23,310.1512,2945View More details about FirstEnergy351Huntington Bancshares$11,96110.4%$1,940-0.6%$204,230$21,925.92419,93224View More details about Huntington Bancshares371Cincinnati Financial$11,337.513.2%$2,292.324.4%$36,500.7$23,127.7225,62422View More details about Cincinnati Financial378Andersons$11,257.5-23.7%$11412.7%$4,121.3$1,467.7-932,262-93View More details about Andersons387Owens Corning$10,97513.4%$647-45.9%$14,075$12,216.92025,00020View More details about Owens Corning410Dana$10,284-2.6%$-57-250%$7,485$1,942.5-3139,600-31View More details about Dana427Cintas$9,596.68.9%$1,571.616.6%$9,168.8$82,966.11046,50010View More details about Cintas436KeyCorp$9,236-11.2%$-161-116.6%$187,168$17,520.5-5016,753-50View More details about KeyCorp445Avery Dennison$8,755.74.7%$704.940.1%$8,404.2$14,053.6535,0005View More details about Avery Dennison460American Financial Group$8,3246.3%$8874.1%$30,836$11,030.2108,70010View More details about American Financial Group466J.M. Smucker$8,178.7-4.1%$744-$20,273.7$12,600.8-209,000-20View More details about J.M. Smucker471Vertiv Holdings$8,011.816.7%$495.87.7%$9,132.5$27,4924631,000-View More details about Vertiv Holdings472Welltower$7,991.120.4%$951.7179.8%$51,044.3$98,254.862685-View More details about Welltower475TransDigm Group$7,94020.6%$1,71432%$25,586$77,581.26216,600-View More details about TransDigm Group504RPM International$7,335.31.1%$588.422.9%$6,586.5$14,872.8-1217,207-View More details about RPM International506Bath & Body Works$7,307-1.6%$798-9.1%$4,872$6,495.3-2534,093-View More details about Bath & Body Works548O-I Glass$6,531-8.1%$-106-$8,654$1,767.2-4821,000-View More details about O-I Glass564Victoria's Secret$6,229.60.8%$165.351.4%$4,532$1,465.7-822,000-View More details about Victoria's Secret576Agilon health$6,060.532.2%$-260.2-$1,734$1,785.31051,076-View More details about Agilon health617Greif$5,448.14.4%$268.8-25.2%$6,647.6$2,700.11114,000-View More details about Greif676Abercrombie & Fitch$4,948.615.6%$566.272.6%$3,299.9$3,8473322,900-View More details about Abercrombie & Fitch687Bread Financial Holdings$4,798-7.2%$277-61.4%$22,891$2,458.5-566,000-View More details about Bread Financial Holdings708Timken$4,573-4.1%$352.7-10.5%$6,411$5,043.5-4619,000-View More details about Timken714M/I Homes$4,504.711.7%$563.721.1%$4,549.8$3,095.9271,760-View More details about M/I Homes716Applied Industrial Technologies$4,479.41.5%$385.811.3%$2,951.9$8,647.9-206,500-View More details about Applied Industrial Technologies734Medical Mutual of Ohio$4,329.714.1%$-241.7-466.8%$2,702.2-393,618-View More details about Medical Mutual of Ohio741Hyster-Yale$4,308.24.6%$142.313%$2,029.2$735.1-88,500-View More details about Hyster-Yale774Lincoln Electric Holdings$4,008.7-4.4%$466.1-14.5%$3,520.1$10,598.6-5212,000-View More details about Lincoln Electric Holdings792Mettler-Toledo International$3,872.42.2%$863.19.4%$3,240$24,611.3-1716,650-View More details about Mettler-Toledo International813Diebold Nixdorf$3,751.1-0.3%$-16.5-$3,543.5$1,645.1-3421,000-View More details about Diebold Nixdorf841Scotts Miracle-Gro$3,552.7-$-34.9-$2,871.9$3,154.7-316,200-View More details about Scotts Miracle-Gro855Worthington Steel$3,430.6-$154.7-$1,866.4$1,285.6-4,600-View More details about Worthington Steel877Avient$3,240.43.1%$169.5123.9%$5,811.1$3,401.4-149,200-View More details about Avient910Designer Brands$3,009.3-2.1%$-10.5-136.3%$2,009.2$175.1-3114,000-View More details about Designer Brands929Installed Building Products$2,941.35.9%$256.65.3%$2,059.9$4,759.5710,800-View More details about Installed Building Products944Advanced Drainage Systems$2,874.5-6.4%$509.90.6%$3,268.9$8,450.3-635,705-View More details about Advanced Drainage Systems991MasterBrand$2,700.4-0.9%$125.9-30.8%$2,929.8$1,667.1-4013,316-View More details about MasterBrand994Nordson$2,689.92.3%$467.3-4.1%$6,001$11,515.7-228,000-View More details about Nordson "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 3Jun 3 If certain other Cleveland area companies were publically owned and domestic. Eaton would rank 172 on the Fortune 1000 (revenues $24.9 billion), the Cleveland Clinic would rank 267 (revenues $15.9 billion), and Steris would rank 657 (revenues $5.1 billion). Hard times for Olympic Steel (revenues $1.9 billion last year) pushed them off the list.Near-term potential add: CBIZ by next year, if they continue their growth rate. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
June 3Jun 3 56 minutes ago, Dougal said:If certain other Cleveland area companies were publically owned and domestic. Eaton would rank 172 on the Fortune 1000 (revenues $24.9 billion), the Cleveland Clinic would rank 267 (revenues $15.9 billion), and Steris would rank 657 (revenues $5.1 billion). Hard times for Olympic Steel (revenues $1.9 billion last year) pushed them off the list.Near-term potential add: CBIZ by next year, if they continue their growth rate.Lubrizol, if they weren’t part of Berkshire Hathaway, would be around where Transdigm and Smuckers are. My hovercraft is full of eels
June 3Jun 3 23 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said:Lubrizol, if they weren’t part of Berkshire Hathaway, would be around where Transdigm and Smuckers are.I keep hoping that a post-Buffet Berkshire Hathaway will spin-off Lubrizol and Scott & Fetzer. 😊 Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
June 3Jun 3 Maumee has two Fortune 500 companies while the entire Dayton metro area can't even come up with one Fortune 1000 company. ☹️
June 3Jun 3 2 hours ago, Dougal said:If certain other Cleveland area companies were publically owned and domestic. Eaton would rank 172 on the Fortune 1000 (revenues $24.9 billion), the Cleveland Clinic would rank 267 (revenues $15.9 billion), and Steris would rank 657 (revenues $5.1 billion). Hard times for Olympic Steel (revenues $1.9 billion last year) pushed them off the list.Near-term potential add: CBIZ by next year, if they continue their growth rate.I mean yea, that's where those companies would rank if you allowed them to be ranked while not allowing any other ineligible companies from anywhere else in the country to be ranked.Also, the Fortune 500/1000 list is not exclusively publicly owned companies. Nationwide is number 72 on the Fortune 500 list, but is a privately held company. Here is the methodology used to determine who is eligible for the list:Companies are ranked by total revenues for their respective fiscal years. Included in the survey are companies that are incorporated in the U.S., operate in the U.S., and file financial statements with a government agency. This includes private companies and cooperatives that file a 10-K or a comparable financial statement with a government agency, and mutual insurance companies that file with state regulators. It also includes companies that file with a government agency but are owned by private companies, domestic or foreign, that do not file such financial statements. Excluded are private companies not filing with a government agency; companies incorporated outside the U.S.; and U.S. companies consolidated by other companies, domestic or foreign, that file with a government agency. Also excluded are companies that failed to report full financial statements for at least three-quarters of the current fiscal year. Percent change calculations for revenue, net income, and earnings per share are based on data as originally reported. They are not restated for mergers, acquisitions, or accounting changes. The only changes to the prior years’ data are for significant restatement owing to reporting errors that require a company to file an amended 10-K.https://fortune.com/franchise-list-page/fortune-500-methodology-2023/
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