Why not Parma? It's super progressive. AND it was mentioned on "30 Rock"! Not only that it was the basis for the original theme music on the Drew Carey Show. C'mon, you know you want live there.

^Point taken, MTS, but I'm not comparing Crown Heights to the Heights as a whole, just to the parts with the more socially conservative/intraverted subsect that Peabody did not find to be the warmest neighbors.  My only point being that it's not very representative of the whole city (not that the rest of the city is without issues).

 

I meant crown heights compare to that section of cleveland heights.

Why not Parma? It's super progressive. AND it was mentioned on "30 Rock"! Not only that it was the basis for the original theme music on the Drew Carey Show. C'mon, you know you want live there.

 

ah.....NO! :-P

Is there anything like Battery Park east of Cleveland?

i don't think so.

 

Speaking of Battery Park, I just drove by. They have the first floor of all the gateway townhomes up. Saw a couple taking pictures of each other in the doorway of a particular unit--must be theirs.

 

 

 

 

 

The only thing in the city on the East side anything similar to Battery Park is Beacon Place and Saint Luke's Pointe. Of note about Beacon place is it is literally in the shadows of the Cleveland Clinic, which will make the commute VERY simple. There is also a newer neighborhood of townhomes in North Collinwood/Lakeshore, near Villa angela Beach. Some have roof decks where you can see the Lake. Other than that there's just scattered sites, not as large as BP.

Back to the Parma topic. It is not as racist as it was before. I'm not saying it completely diverse because we all know it's not but just so everyone knows Parma is pretty much split into these areas.

The North-East side that borders Cleveland on State,Broadview,etc. which has seen a large population growth in mostly hispanic and some african americans.(Parma H.S)

 

The South side -- Where all of the old people and upper-middle class have settled by North Royalton NOT DIVERSE ONE BIT AT ALL (Normandy H.S.)

 

And the North West- By Parma hts. where most of the cities african american population has settled but still not to diverse (Valley Forge H.S.)

 

Back on the topic I think North Collinwood would be the best in the east side area and nice for an easy commute. Also I'm just a HUGE fan of BP so just throw that into the mix also.

When I see a black family with perogies in hand and Latin family with pink flamingo's and a bowling monument in the front yard, I'll believe it!  he he he he

Architecturally speaking L.A. reminded me of Parma

As both a Parmanian and a Parma Heighter (technically I'm a PHer that moved to Parma but I was born at Parma Hospital)...I feel it is my duty to list the pro's and con's of Parma (feel free to disagree):

 

PRO:

 

Parma is ridiculously safe. In fact according to FBI stats...Parma is the 17th safest city in the country with a population between 50K and 100K.

 

CON:

 

Parma is ridiculously boring. I constantly went downtown or the Flats to have any fun.

 

PRO:

 

Parma has good bus service (especially in the northern half of Parma). Runs early/late and pretty often. Of course that was back in the 80's and 90's, maybe that's changed now.

 

CON:

 

Closest rail transit is on the Red Line at the W. 150th station/or at the airport.

 

PRO:

 

Parma schools are OK.

 

CON:

 

Parma schools are just OK.

 

PRO:

 

Parma has some good city parks...along with the MetroParks system that runs down Big Creek Parkway.

 

CON:

 

It has a very crappy history of race relations and political corruption. Although things are better over the last 10 years, it's tough to shake that image, just like Cleveland can't seem it's image problem.

 

PRO:

 

Parma has the best pizza in the Cleveland metro, and it's cheap. I still defer the best pierogies to the city. And the Jigsaw Saloon is wicked place to eat and bowl.

 

CON:

 

Parma is auto-centric.

 

PRO:

 

Alot of East Siders think Parma is as sprawled out as Mentor or Westlake...it's actually more along the lines of South Euclid, especially north of Ridgewood.

 

That's all I can think of for now.

Hey, Parma has its own avatar! :-D

 

With all the camp value it has squeezed into each acre of real estate, it surprises me that hipsters haven't "discovered" and overrun Parma.

 

I actually sort of like Parma, because it has alot of funky little stores- CD and music (instrument) stores, comic book and dart stores, and just about any other weird, oddball thing one can think of.

 

It's funny too that someone said LA looks like Parma.  I thought that much of Seattle looked like a hilly Parma.  And San Diego is basically an overgrown Parma with a downtown.  Parma is very westcoast style, in parts.

The best thing out of or about the Parma/Parma Hts./Seven Hills area is HOULIHAN AND BIG CHUCK!  :-P  :-P  :-P

Hey, Parma has its own avatar! :-D

 

 

I do believe MayDay, it's time to add an avatar. :)