Rookwood Don Pablo's, take two.  Action. 

They could always float that one Jeff Ruby boat up I-71 and park it there in a retention pond.

35 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

They could always float that one Jeff Ruby boat up I-71 and park it there in a retention pond.

 

An Ozark casino. 

 

3 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

Rookwood Don Pablo's, take two.  Action. 

Not a fan of Don Pablo's but always appreciated the building. Last thing I heard the new owners of Rookwood were thinking about tearing the building down. Hope the stack will remain.

7 hours ago, savadams13 said:

Not a fan of Don Pablo's but always appreciated the building. Last thing I heard the new owners of Rookwood were thinking about tearing the building down. Hope the stack will remain.

I always thought that place would make a cool brewery. 

US Playing Card is apparently returning to Norwood at its old site that is currently being redeveloped. 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/5332632002

Instead of throwing axes maybe it will be a card throwing venue...

Edited June 11, 20205 yr by ucgrady

It's only a matter of time until there is nothing left to gentrify in oakley so naturally developers will cross over to Norwood because of the proximity...Norwood has a ton of beautiful historic homes as well that I would love to see refurbished. 

17 minutes ago, troeros said:

It's only a matter of time until there is nothing left to gentrify in oakley so naturally developers will cross over to Norwood because of the proximity...Norwood has a ton of beautiful historic homes as well that I would love to see refurbished. 

 

Unfortunately the big box retail built on the former industrial sites has pulled day-to-day commerce away from Madison Rd. and Montgomery Rd., weakening the walkable business districts.  

 

The weird thing is that the subway was originally planned to run where I-71 is now between U.S. Playing Card and Owl's Nest Park, with stations at Dana and Edwards, so the Rapid Transit Loop would have had some influence in doing the same thing, had it been made operational.  

 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, troeros said:

It's only a matter of time until there is nothing left to gentrify in oakley so naturally developers will cross over to Norwood because of the proximity...Norwood has a ton of beautiful historic homes as well that I would love to see refurbished. 

My girlfriend and I are purchasing a house on Shanmoor in Norwood. It needs some work but I'm a pretty handy guy so hopefully we'll have it looking better in a couple years.

The professional flippers seem to be hitting Norwood pretty hard. When I was looking for a house about a year and a half ago I pretty much eliminated Norwood because the price per sqft was too high. And I don't like gentrification grey.

I've been curious if the earnings tax rollback by Cincinnati will put political pressure on them to reduce their rate as well. It doesn't seem like they would be able to afford it of course but that's not gonna stop people.

I apologize if I'm getting any of the following details wrong, but this is my understanding of how Cincinnati's earning tax decrease will affect Norwood and other cities in Greater Cincinnati.

 

I believe that in Ohio, you first pay earnings tax to the city where you work and then to the city where you live. The tax paid to the city where you work is effectively a non-refundable credit applied to your tax bill for the city where you live.

 

Norwood's current earnings tax rate is 2% and Cincinnati's is 2.1%. So if you live in Norwood and work in Cincinnati, you pay 2.1% to Cincinnati and nothing to Norwood. If you live in Cincinnati and work in Norwood, you pay 2% to Norwood and 0.1% to Cincinnati.

 

This fall, Cincinnati's rate drops to 1.8%. After that, the Norwood resident working in Cincinnati will pay 1.8% to Cincinnati and 0.2% to Norwood. The Cincinnati resident working in Norwood will pay 2% to Norwood and nothing to Cincinnati.

 

So, if I'm thinking about this correctly, Norwood should see an increase in earnings tax revenue without having to raise their tax rate.

I believe everything you said is true.

 

The only caveat, is that cities see a lower income tax as a lure to get more companies to be in their city. So - theoretically - more businesses would open up in Cincinnati because they have a lower tax rate than Norwood.

 

Again, that's a theory, and to some extent is probably true. No one would open up a business in Cincinnati if they had a 20% income tax, and many places would move to Cincinnati if they had a 0% income tax, so there has to be a middle ground. But I'm skeptical that the 0.3% change is significant enough of a change to see any real noticeable changes. I doubt a trend would follow that we could track to this, so yes, I imagine this is good for Norwood's budget.

I work with the son of a former Norwood mayor.  He told me that for decades Norwood has always positioned its earnings tax .1% below Cincinnati's.  They're not going to be able to do that now since it would mean dropping from 2.0% to 1.7%.  

Unbelievable how grindey suburbs and suburbanites can be. Every region should be a JEDD. That wouldn't change earnings tax though.

17 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

I work with the son of a former Norwood mayor.  He told me that for decades Norwood has always positioned its earnings tax .1% below Cincinnati's.  They're not going to be able to do that now since it would mean dropping from 2.0% to 1.7%.  

 

Well they can do that if they want. But they will never emerge from fiscal emergency if they do!

3 hours ago, taestell said:

I apologize if I'm getting any of the following details wrong, but this is my understanding of how Cincinnati's earning tax decrease will affect Norwood and other cities in Greater Cincinnati.

 

I believe that in Ohio, you first pay earnings tax to the city where you work and then to the city where you live. The tax paid to the city where you work is effectively a non-refundable credit applied to your tax bill for the city where you live.

 

Norwood's current earnings tax rate is 2% and Cincinnati's is 2.1%. So if you live in Norwood and work in Cincinnati, you pay 2.1% to Cincinnati and nothing to Norwood. If you live in Cincinnati and work in Norwood, you pay 2% to Norwood and 0.1% to Cincinnati.

 

This fall, Cincinnati's rate drops to 1.8%. After that, the Norwood resident working in Cincinnati will pay 1.8% to Cincinnati and 0.2% to Norwood. The Cincinnati resident working in Norwood will pay 2% to Norwood and nothing to Cincinnati.

 

So, if I'm thinking about this correctly, Norwood should see an increase in earnings tax revenue without having to raise their tax rate.

 

A logistical note, the credit for working somewhere else is not automatic and depends on the municipality. So Norwood has a 2.0% tax but also a 2.0% credit for working somewhere else. On the other hand, Lincoln Heights has a 2.0% tax but only a 1.0% credit. One strategy for raising more revenue without raising a tax would be for a muni to reduce the credit. Apparently, Mariemont has discussed doing this at a recent meeting. They also don't have to ask voters to change the credit, unlike the tax itself.

Also, the tax payment is made by the worker's HR office. So the company is withholding the tax payment from the worker's check and then sending it to Cincinnati on the behalf of the worker. The individual must then file taxes with their home municipality separately. For Norwood to see an increase in revenue, residents will actually have to file taxes with their City, which is not something those people are used to doing.

56 minutes ago, Dev said:

Also, the tax payment is made by the worker's HR office.

 

If you work in an unincorporated area of Ohio but live in a city that has an earnings tax, the HR dept does not have to automatically deduct the tax.  I worked for a company where the HR lady refused to do it for anyone because numerous salesmen, I suspect, were getting out of having to pay earnings tax to their resident municipality.  

13 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

If you work in an unincorporated area of Ohio but live in a city that has an earnings tax, the HR dept does not have to automatically deduct the tax.  I worked for a company where the HR lady refused to do it for anyone because numerous salesmen, I suspect, were getting out of having to pay earnings tax to their resident municipality.  

Yes, for companies in munis that have an earnings tax, the tax payment is made by the worker's HR office. I was not trying to say that every company withholds a local earnings tax.

Townships can't have earnings taxes, so yeah I really doubt you'll find one that withholds pay for any of their employees. From my previous count, there are at least 33 munis in Hamilton County that have an earnings tax so I can see why the HR department isn't going to withhold and file for each separate one. I assume munis require businesses in their jurisdiction to withhold earnings for all their workers but I haven't bothered to look for it in the ORC or municipal code.

52 minutes ago, Dev said:

Townships can't have earnings taxes, so yeah I really doubt you'll find one that withholds pay for any of their employees. From my previous count, there are at least 33 munis in Hamilton County that have an earnings tax so I can see why the HR department isn't going to withhold and file for each separate one. I assume munis require businesses in their jurisdiction to withhold earnings for all their workers but I haven't bothered to look for it in the ORC or municipal code.

 

Oh yes let us all weep for the overburdened HR departments of America.  

5 hours ago, Dev said:

 

A logistical note, the credit for working somewhere else is not automatic and depends on the municipality. So Norwood has a 2.0% tax but also a 2.0% credit for working somewhere else. On the other hand, Lincoln Heights has a 2.0% tax but only a 1.0% credit. One strategy for raising more revenue without raising a tax would be for a muni to reduce the credit. Apparently, Mariemont has discussed doing this at a recent meeting. They also don't have to ask voters to change the credit, unlike the tax itself.

Also, the tax payment is made by the worker's HR office. So the company is withholding the tax payment from the worker's check and then sending it to Cincinnati on the behalf of the worker. The individual must then file taxes with their home municipality separately. For Norwood to see an increase in revenue, residents will actually have to file taxes with their City, which is not something those people are used to doing.

 

Wyoming infamously does not have any credit. There are very few businesses in Wyoming so the bulk of the income tax they generate is via their residents. If you live in Wyoming and work in Cincinnati, you owe Cincinnati 2.1% and Wyoming an additional 1% on top of that. It's likely the reason it has remained a diamond in the rough in an otherwise lackluster area.

 

And re: townships, I know several people who live in a township but work in Cincinnati... or at least did until COVID struck. They've been working from home and have made a point to stop HR from withholding municipal income tax. The state passed a law towards the beginning of the lockdown stating that work performed at home during COVID was to be taxed as if it was performed at the office, but that will almost certainly face lawsuits - especially if some people end up working from home all or most of the time going forward. IE if I worked at home 3 days a week and in an office 2 days, I would rightfully expect to pay income tax to my office's municipality only 2/5 of the time, assuming I lived some place else. This could have a big impact on municipal taxing structure going forward. It could result in more tax dollars flowing to where people live, rather than where they work.

16 hours ago, Ram23 said:

And re: townships, I know several people who live in a township but work in Cincinnati... or at least did until COVID struck. They've been working from home and have made a point to stop HR from withholding municipal income tax. The state passed a law towards the beginning of the lockdown stating that work performed at home during COVID was to be taxed as if it was performed at the office, but that will almost certainly face lawsuits - especially if some people end up working from home all or most of the time going forward. IE if I worked at home 3 days a week and in an office 2 days, I would rightfully expect to pay income tax to my office's municipality only 2/5 of the time, assuming I lived some place else. This could have a big impact on municipal taxing structure going forward. It could result in more tax dollars flowing to where people live, rather than where they work.

 

Is this already true of professional athletes? That is to say, do Bengals players pay 2.1% of their income to Cincinnati when the game is played at home but $0 when they play on the road?

^Athletes are big enough "accounts" that they have to have an account set up in each city they play. They can make more in one night than the average worker makes in a year. The cities chase their money accordingly.

Athlete's salary and bonus are allocated to each of the cities and states they play in during the season.  Some have their bonuses structured so they are received when they are "working" in lower or no tax areas.

Edited June 13, 20205 yr by thesenator

Ha yes, everyone gets their bonus the night they play the Orlando Magic 

Ugh, why even bother?  The original building is being stripped of all dignity and grace while a cartoon is built around it.  

So they're basically doing the same thing that they did at Rookwood Pavilion -- keep the minimum amount of the old structure necessary to show you that there used to be an historic building there.

Cincinnati is determined to decimate Hannaford's legacy.

Edited September 18, 20204 yr by zsnyder

1 hour ago, zsnyder said:

Cincinnati is determined to decimate Hannaford's legacy.

 

Norwood isn't part of Cincinnati. .

I use Cincinnati as a collective term, not a political one.

since the first caveman clubbed his mate then dragged her off, these types of restorations have been been the mainstay of what to keep as heritage. What is most important to men? I think its pretty obvious.

 

PLK gets preliminary approval for U.S. Playing Card site redevelopment, adds MSA, MKSK, Revel and J.S. Held to team

 

PLK Communities received a key approval Tuesday night, as the commercial real estate company continues working to redevelop the former U.S. Playing Card site in Norwood.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/09/23/plk-gets-key-approval-for-playing-card-development.html

 

"Armed with grant money, Norwood officials are moving ahead with a plan to redevelop Montgomery Road to make it more pedestrian friendly and infuse much needed help into mom and pop businesses."

 

Good luck

WVXU: Norwood Creating Excitement With Redevelopment Plans

38 minutes ago, Dev said:

 

 

Good luck

 

The bike trail will soon block the cheap and easy link that transit could have had between Norwood and the region's #2 jobs center. 

 

 

Get a look at final design for U.S. Playing Card redevelopment

 

The development team working to bring new life to the former U.S. Playing Card site in Norwood has released its updated designs for the project.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/11/16/get-a-look-at-final-design-for-us-playing-card.html

 

Looks to be a little less Hannaford in it than the last renderings they shared...

It looks like it was quite value engineered.

Yes, all the value was engineered out. 

PLK selects name, builder for U.S. Playing Card redevelopment

 

PLK Communities, which is working on the more than $100 million redevelopment of the former U.S. Playing Card site in Norwood, has selected a name for its project, as well as the construction manager for the first phase of the project.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/12/02/plk-selects-name-builder-for-us-playing-card.html

 

I haven't really stayed up to date with this development...

 

Is this supposed to be an outdoor mixed use type of thing with retail and residential? 

 

From the pics it kind of looks like a more urban formatted rookwood commons which is good if that's the type of destination the developer is going for. 

 

Regardless, it seems like this will be a nice little prize for norwood and hopefully link oakley and norwood a little bit more together. 

one good thing about this development is that, it's pedestrian friendly. 

 

They should try to connect the north side of this to the planned Oakley developments across I-71 with a pedestrian/bike bridge

22 hours ago, thebillshark said:

They should try to connect the north side of this to the planned Oakley developments across I-71 with a pedestrian/bike bridge

There will be a bridge over I-71 that I couldn't imagine would have any further rail use once Graphite is completed in Oakley. It's a bit away from the US Playing Card site, but does offer an opportunity for connectivity between US Playing Card, Graphite, and Oakley Yard.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1662297,-84.4347383,236a,35y,186.19h,65.46t/data=!3m1!1e3

^ And that bridge is close to some vestigial parts of Duck Creek Road, which already has a tunnel under the other rail bridge to the south

The bike trail almost maps out itself with the existing RR underpass and bridge over I-71.  Would connect all the new developments together and to Norwood's Waterworks Park via Harris Ave. 

 

The question is, could Cincinnati and Norwood work together on this and do they think there is incentive to do so. 

 

(the blue portion on the bottom right is the planned pedestrian/bike tunnel connector under the RR tracks in Oakley)

 

Edited December 4, 20204 yr by thebillshark

Would be very cool and useful for folks in New/North Oakley who work in Norwood (and especially those who would work or play at the US Playing Card Development).

Creating something like Gasworks Park (Seattle) in front of the Waterworks would create a nice destination between the two developments and give additional purpose to the mixed use path.

 

It appears that most of the land on the blue path is owned by Norwood or SORTA. Roto Rooter is in the middle and they also own half of the stub road that used to be Duck Creek Road.

The main railroad overpass at I-71 is wide enough for three tracks, but only a tiny bit of that extra space is clipped by the switch for the yard tracks to the east.  The old 1850s tunnel and a ramp up to that bridge would allow for a much more direct connection to Oakley Station at the old Cast-Fab (RIP) site. 

^ It's still actively being used right? It's still owned by the rail company and they always push back on sharing rails with trails.