September 13, 20186 yr WTF! The pic from Reply #847 is a beautiful design. Although when we were first looking at options a year ago I preferred the taller project. I still thought this choice (#847) was very sharp. Then we get these pics from the meeting and the whole thing is about as generic as possible. What happened?? They look nothing like the plan I thought they chose. Reminds me of multiple designs for the Flats East Bank. If you look at the early renderings the project looks amazing but the Phase III (kenect version) is downright plain vanilla. Other cities are getting great design AND a great finished product while we seem to get an initial first look that is great but when the project is finally built it looks like some plain boxes with all the style left out. We're shown a BMV but they build a Chrysler K car for those of you old enough to remember those boxy little vehicles.
September 13, 20186 yr Huh? These recent renderings are massing studies. They aren't supposed to show any details.
September 13, 20186 yr Ok. I'll wait for the full renderings. Still doesn't explain what happened to the Flats East Bank. Kenect is a major failing compared to the initial plans.
September 13, 20186 yr Huh? These recent renderings are massing studies. They aren't supposed to show any details. Yet they show windows on Detroit Ave. Why even bother?
September 13, 20186 yr Why do you think they showed exterior details on the building that is there already, and not on the ones that are still being designed?
September 13, 20186 yr Why do you think they showed exterior details on the building that is there already, and not on the ones that are still being designed? I don't know. To make me wonder?
September 13, 20186 yr Yes, for your wonder and joy! It's like sh-ts and giggles, but somehow more inspirational.
September 17, 20186 yr I don't know their plans but the City of Lakewood will be purchasing the Trinity Lutheran Church. It is on the council agenda for tomorrow.
September 17, 20186 yr I assume that includes the church-owned storefronts to the east of the chapel? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 17, 20186 yr Thanks. Found this too.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 17, 20186 yr Lakewood is serious about proper urban development. That particular few blocks needs it too. Good for them! The results will be an even more dynamic and thriving city than it already is
September 17, 20186 yr I hope so. This has been an ordeal for the congregation as well. They've been wanting to get rid of that property.
September 28, 20186 yr Several items of interest.... + The Phantasy is back under contract again. The sale should close before the end of the year. I don't know who the buyer is, but it is likely the developer who has financing already in place. It probably isn't the the person with 30 years of history in the local music scene who had more creative juice than financial juice. + Wingstar Transportation and its affiliate Volens are moving by the end of the year out of the former Spitzer dealership spread across two city blocks along Detroit Avenue east of Bunts. I don't know where they're moving or why, but I'm told there have been numerous offers for this property. I have not heard of any that have been accepted. + George Shaker, who owns the property at Detroit/Bunts on which Bruce's Automotive sets, says he has received five offers for this property but isn't even sure he wants to sell yet. The property has an emotional attachment to him because he used to work in his father's auto repair shop that was located there. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 1, 20186 yr Office brochure for One Lakewood Place is out: https://images1.loopnet.com/d2/Rb1h7LHR1AYDwWu0jcMonQ3RxHhWyUtm5fCTBu330Kk/document.pdf BTW, guys, it's on the #26 Detroit Ave. bus route, not the #22 on Lorain Ave. And it's two blocks from the #83 on Warren. Just in case you care. They've started pre-demolition remediation of the site, including the removal of an underground tank at Detroit and Belle. They'll soon start removing hazardous materials from the buildings before demolition of the old Lakewood Hospital starts this winter. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 1, 20186 yr BTW, guys, it's on the #26 Detroit Ave. bus route, not the #22 on Lorain Ave. And it's two blocks from the #83 on Warren. Just in case you care. I've got bad news :(
October 2, 20186 yr Anyone notice the subtle Target-icons theme of that brochure? It could be a complete coincidence
October 9, 20186 yr Whatever happened to the Steve Barry land? Did that sale close? I haven't seen a public announcement about it.
October 9, 20186 yr I was told it sold in a private sale. Yet Steve Barry Buick is still selling off office furniture and other items from its business. So who knows, maybe it's BS. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 10, 20186 yr I have to say I'm a little disappointed that One Lakewood Place was shortened in its latest preliminary plans. It would have been nice to have another significant building in Lakewood's skyline. Any reason for the decision to shorten it? Not enough demand? Or did the city request it? I definitely remember people at the Lakewood Facebook group being unhappy with the preliminary plans that featured the highrise. I wonder if there was a lot of opposition at the public meetings? Edited October 10, 20186 yr by RoabeArt
October 10, 20186 yr The city seemed to be pushing for the shorter building. 19 hours ago, cle25 said: Whatever happened to the Steve Barry land? Did that sale close? I haven't seen a public announcement about it. BTW, there's some activity around Steve Barry Buick. Not sure if this is just routine sewer work or pre-demolition remediation. Edited October 10, 20186 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 10, 20186 yr ^ I think the building height is being driven by economics. Costs increase exponentially when you go vertical. At six stories it could be a stick frame building on a 2 story "podium.' It looked to be infrastructure work at Barry Buick. A small trench was dug across Detroit and a part of sidewalk removed to expose gas lines. So it could be utility work for the new development or just regular updating of old infrastructure.
October 10, 20186 yr The city is doing lots of sewer repair/replacement work in the area, especially up near Clifton. But this seems to be concentrated in the vicinity of the dealership. I see no evidence of digging beyond SBB, but it could be early in whatever sewer work they're doing. I was wondering if there was some utilities that were specific to the dealership that had to be removed or replaced. After all, there has been a car dealership here since the 1920s. Over at Lakewood Hospital, they have to dig to remove or cap some utilities before they demolish the hospital buildings this winter. They've been digging by the hospital for nearly a month now. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 11, 20186 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 15, 20186 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 21, 20186 yr Not sure if already posted, but I've heard Raising Canes want to put their second Cleveland area location in the now defunct Bob Evans space on Detroit?
October 21, 20186 yr Just now, snakebite said: Not sure if already posted, but I've heard Raising Canes want to put their second Cleveland area location in the now defunct Bob Evans space on Detroit? Yes. See here... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 21, 20186 yr Interesting, I know that area is rife with chains, albeit I can't think of any chicken ones. Raising Cane's is decent enough. Its above KFC/Popeyes but I'm not sure its quite at Chick fil a level... Their restaurants are certainly not grubby, well the dozen or so I've been in weren't, and some of them were mature locations down in Louisiana. Edited October 21, 20186 yr by snakebite
November 1, 20186 yr I saw on Facebook last night there are many lamenting the impending demise of Bobby Os, soon to be torn down for condos. [edit: spellling] Edited November 1, 20186 yr by surfohio
November 1, 20186 yr Yes, end of November is the tear-down date. Bobby O's is part of the Steve Barry Buick property. Presumably all of the buildings on SBB's properties on both sides of Detroit Avenue will be demolished at that time. Still don't know who the new owner is, though. EDIT: Where on Facebook is this being discussed? I don't see anything more recent than a July posting on Bobby O's Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/BobbyOsLakewood/ Edited November 1, 20186 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 1, 20186 yr Doesn't surprise me. Those old-school Lakewood bars are pretty interchangeable- except to their neighborhood regulars, for whom they have lots of meaning and memory.
November 1, 20186 yr Just now, KJP said: Yes, end of November is the tear-down date. Bobby O's is part of the Steve Barry Buick property. Presumably all of the buildings on SBB's properties on both sides of Detroit Avenue will be demolished at that time. Still don't know who the new owner is, though. EDIT: Where on Facebook is this being discussed? I don't see anything more recent than a July posting on Bobby O's Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/BobbyOsLakewood/ It was discussed on the Lakewood Community Facebook page. The moderator is the finance director of Lakewood. She commented that the property has been sold but they have not submitted any proposal to the city as of yet.
November 1, 20186 yr ^ Bobby O's is one of those places that, for whatever reason, seems to have people there 24/7. The Monday morning after St. Patrick's Day this year (which was on a Saturday), I saw a half dozen or so folks stumble out of Bobby O's still wearing their green attire. I can't say I will be disappointed that this joint will be replaced with (presumably) upscale condos, but to each their own I guess.
November 1, 20186 yr ^ it seems like a sleazy place full of alcoholics who are there early in the morning drinking. I will not miss it. I do not see the charm in the place. And I am a fan of corner bars.
November 1, 20186 yr When a bar opens at 5:30 a.m., just three hours after closing, it's there for one clientele -- the alcoholics. That place probably gets 80 percent of its revenue from about 20 percent of its regulars. Ironically, it's right next door to the Lakewood Chamber of Commerce! ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 1, 20186 yr There are people that work second and third shift that go out at odd hours and are not alcoholics. Who is the developer of these condos?
November 1, 20186 yr Just now, mtnbikefan said: There are people that work second and third shift that go out at odd hours and are not alcoholics. Who is the developer of these condos? Yep. There are exceptions. New owner/developer is not yet known. Steve Barry Buick is under contract but the title hasn't transferred. BTW, I just joined the Lakewood Community Facebook page and saw the post from two days ago that the Lake Road Marathon gas station was due to close today. This was one of Greater Cleveland's two such "hidden" gas stations in an otherwise entirely residential and well-to-do area. The other is in Shaker Heights but I can't remember what street it is/was on. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 2, 20186 yr 5 hours ago, KJP said: BTW, I just joined the Lakewood Community Facebook page and saw the post from two days ago that the Lake Road Marathon gas station was due to close today. This was one of Greater Cleveland's two such "hidden" gas stations in an otherwise entirely residential and well-to-do area. The other is in Shaker Heights but I can't remember what street it is/was on. Very sad...a throwback of when neighborhoods didn't want to see gaudy gas stations in their midst. This would make a great high-end repair shop for someone with a low-volume business (vintage euro sports cars, etc).
November 21, 20186 yr WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2018 Another big investment coming to Lakewood Over the past 30 years, Lakewood has lost more than 1,700 housing units, with only Cleveland, East Cleveland and Euclid losing more. The average age of its housing stock is the second-oldest in the county. At the same time, growing interest in traditional, walkable communities has made Lakewood a hot real estate commodity. It's why Lakewood had the highest property value rate of increase, 22.5 percent, among all Cuyahoga County communities in 2018. So, to say that real estate investors are interested in Lakewood is an understatement. That includes everyone from real estate corporations to mom-and-pop renovation companies converting duplexes into luxury single-family houses to people simply trying to outbid each other for their next home. Furthermore, the biggest, most underutilized properties are highly sought after. Those that often fall into that category are former car dealerships whose automotive operations have left for outer-suburban highway interchanges. The next one is about to fall. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2018/11/another-big-investment-coming-to.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 27, 20186 yr Someone in the Lakewood Community Group at Facebook shared the following about the above project: "I got a response to my email: 'The proposed project would transition the property to a residential use, which would include a new multi-family apartment building with a parking garage. The project has not been approved. Tomorrow night’s meeting with the neighborhood is the first step in the process. There will be multiple public meetings on the project over the coming months.'” Reminder that the meeting is at 7:00 p.m. Tuesday in the city Hall auditorium. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 28, 20186 yr Overview of the above development by Solove Real Estate... + 278 apartments + 375-space garage + opening Spring 2021 + rooftop lounge with public access + public pocket park + no development subsidies requested from City of Lakewood Edited November 28, 20186 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 28, 20186 yr I suspect there will be more than a little pushback on having an 8 story apt tower and parking garage built right up to the property lines with those single family homes.
November 28, 20186 yr Yes. Many of the neighbors at tonight's meeting HATED it. Almost to the point of physical violence. Edited November 28, 20186 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 28, 20186 yr The buildings are north. I wouldn't think shadows would be an issue here. Maybe people want to keep their unimpeded scenic view of Einsteins Bagels or something.
November 28, 20186 yr Most have an irrational fear of density and traffic. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 28, 20186 yr They think new apartments will drive up rent. You cant reason with these people.
November 28, 20186 yr Well Lakewood is kind of liberal.....but not so liberal that anyone truly gives a damn what renters think lol. Looking forward to the renderings. Edited November 28, 20186 yr by surfohio
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