March 10, 20169 yr There is another video on Twitter from a different angle that shows the explosion right next to several firefighters. Scary. Hope they are ok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynVbEjOLqU8
March 10, 20169 yr Maybe this is karma for American Greetings choosing the burbs instead of downtown :-P Joking aside, I'm glad no one was hurt. The explosion looked pretty scary on that video. I wonder how much this will delay construction.
March 10, 20169 yr Maybe this is karma for American Greetings choosing the burbs instead of downtown :-P Joking aside, I'm glad no one was hurt. The explosion looked pretty scary on that video. I wonder how much this will delay construction. Probably not much, unless they are close to finished.
March 10, 20169 yr To keep it on construction/development, there were pictures of the damage. Surprisingly, most of the damage appears to be from the fire -- not the explosion. Few broken windows. Most of the damage appears to be scorching and discoloration of the exterior. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 29, 20168 yr American Greetings opens new Westlake headquarters http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20160928/NEWS/160929767/american-greetings-opens-new-westlake-headquarters "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 19, 20187 yr This is an old topic but I'm wondering if there are stats available on how Crocker Park is doing, in terms of retail traffic, occupancy, etc. I really wonder about the longevity of an outdoor-based mall considering the vagaries of NE Ohio weather.
March 19, 20187 yr This is an old topic but I'm wondering if there are stats available on how Crocker Park is doing, in terms of retail traffic, occupancy, etc. I really wonder about the longevity of an outdoor-based mall considering the vagaries of NE Ohio weather. The last time I was there (right before Christmas), there were no vacancies that I saw. With the addition of American Greetings' HQ and the additional phases of townhouse construction and the new hotel (as well as the earlier phases of homes and apartments), it has a pretty good mix of on-site traffic sources. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 19, 20187 yr It seems like the few times a year I go there are in the winter and everything is deserted except the Apple store, which is more a service-based place than a traditional retail store, and Trader Joe's, which is a grocery and not a retail store. I just wonder how everyone is staying open if there isn't a lot of foot traffic but I'm not really there enough to judge properly.
March 19, 20187 yr This is an old topic but I'm wondering if there are stats available on how Crocker Park is doing, in terms of retail traffic, occupancy, etc. I really wonder about the longevity of an outdoor-based mall considering the vagaries of NE Ohio weather. The last time I was there (right before Christmas), there were no vacancies that I saw. With the addition of American Greetings' HQ and the additional phases of townhouse construction and the new hotel (as well as the earlier phases of homes and apartments), it has a pretty good mix of on-site traffic sources. You are correct that there are few vacancies in the original part of the development - from Bar Louie/Burntwood on the north end - to Dicks/Cheesecake in the middle - to Gap/Banana Republic on the south end. However, if you walk past the Lululemon/Michael Kors stores in the newish American Greetings blocks, about 60%-70%+ of the space on the new south end is empty/boarded over, by my visual estimates, including the entire AG complex' first floor retail space... Never built out or leased. Open stores include Orvis, Starbucks, Homage, 3Palms, and a few others. This new space is more than two years old now and several ptior years in the planning, so has to be a bit disappointing for Stark to still be mostly empty.. Everything circled in blue on the attached was new Crocker construction on south end, adjacent or part of the American Greetings building(s), with the first stores opening around November 2015.. All light grey areas are still vacant retail spaces 2+ years later... Circled pink retail spaces are occupied.. Large uncircled/occupied space on bottom left is the AG HQ. Existing Trader Joe's on bottom right outside lines
March 20, 20187 yr ^I can confirm this. I was just there a week ago and was very surprised to see so much boarded up
January 28, 20196 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 28, 20196 yr I knew they had some layoffs and a few hiring freezes over the past couple of years. But having their HQ building on the market definitely seems like a bad sign!!
January 28, 20196 yr 50 minutes ago, dar124 said: I knew they had some layoffs and a few hiring freezes over the past couple of years. But having their HQ building on the market definitely seems like a bad sign!! The headline is panic-inducing lol. AG doen't own the building, their landlord is selling it.
January 28, 20196 yr 33 minutes ago, surfohio said: The headline is panic-inducing lol. AG doen't own the building, their landlord is selling it. Ahhh, ok makes more sense ...
January 29, 20196 yr I don't go there often either when in town, but when I was last at Crocker Park, a late Saturday morning in March, it was very quiet. Edited January 29, 20196 yr by snakebite
January 8, 20205 yr Buy Buy Baby and World Market coming to the Phase 3 area by AG and H&M next fall. 14,400 sq ft and 18,270 sq ft, respectively. This should take up a huge chunk of the remaining space. https://www.cleveland.com/business/2020/01/world-market-buybuybaby-coming-to-crocker-park-in-fall-2020.html https://www.crainscleveland.com/retail/crocker-park-add-two-new-retailers Edited January 8, 20205 yr by SgtBarone
June 2, 20205 yr MONDAY, JUNE 1, 2020 Seeds & Sprouts VII - Early intel on real estate projects Crocker Park expands with new stores Despite the pandemic, several new retailers are coming to the Greater Cleveland market. Sources say bids are due next week for the buildout of two retail tenant spaces involving a total of $2 million worth of construction work at Crocker Park in Westlake. The two retail spaces are for buy buy BABY, an infant clothing and accessory store, and Cost Plus World Market, a home decor, home entertaining and gift giving shop. Buy buy BABY will occupy 18,363 square feet at 302 Main St. and Cost Plus World Market will be across the street in a 18,380-square-foot space at 313 Main. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/06/seeds-sprouts-vii-early-intel-on-real.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 2, 20205 yr Didn't realize Cost Plus World Market was still a thing. The ones I know of have closed. Edited June 2, 20205 yr by metrocity
December 20, 20204 yr Crocker Park also got the extension for a 60 year TIF. No idea what this says about Stark and his future projects if anything. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/westlake-approves-60-year-tax-increment-financing-deal-portions-crocker-park
February 2, 20214 yr Crocker Park will be home to new indoor kids’ adventure park Eric Heisig - Feb. 1, 2021 "Crocker Park’s owners leased more than 47,000 square feet of space to a Texas-based kids’ indoor adventure park operator for a location scheduled to open in December. Urban Air Adventure Park will be located underneath American Greetings’ headquarters on One American Boulevard at the southern end of the 120-acre outdoor Westlake shopping and dining center." I took a few pictures over the holidays when I visited Crocker for the first time in a while. The amount of vacancies in Phase 3 / around AG were a little surprising, but they're filling in. The new Urban Air Adventure Park will be located in the bottom right retail space of the AG building. And just a few more photos of Phase 3 from (Sat. 1-2-21) Edited February 2, 20214 yr by NorthShore647
July 30, 20213 yr I'm not sure it's 100% public yet, but it's been announced in my Maple Heights group (Bob is an alumni). Bob Hruby, aka "The Toy Soldier" will be taking his talents to Crocker Park this Christmas season.
July 25, 2024Jul 25 d**k’s will be moving to Avon, that’s currently under construction. Pinstripes will be taking over the d**k’s space.
October 2, 2024Oct 2 6 hours ago, marty15 said: Apple will be opening their flagship Ohio store at Crocker. Next to Cheesecake. They already have a store there and have for awhile, yes?
October 2, 2024Oct 2 1 hour ago, E Rocc said: They already have a store there and have for awhile, yes? Yeah, there has been one over by d**k’s for a long time.
October 2, 2024Oct 2 8 hours ago, marty15 said: Apple will be opening their flagship Ohio store at Crocker. Next to Cheesecake. I wonder why Crocker was chosen for the State Flagship vs Easton in Columbus, or really any other of the premium retail centers in the state?
October 2, 2024Oct 2 Well when you consider Crocker Park is the 5th best retail experience destination in the US as of last year and nowhere else in Ohio made the Top 5 list... it makes a whole lot of sense. https://www.wkyc.com/article/life/shopping/crocker-park-westlake-top-retail-center-united-states/95-833027fa-720f-494b-81d2-54cb91b6eb60#:~:text=Westlake's Crocker Park was named,engagement and overall visitor experience.
October 2, 2024Oct 2 3 minutes ago, Geowizical said: Well when you consider Crocker Park is the 5th best retail experience destination in the US as of last year and nowhere else in Ohio made the Top 5 list... it makes a whole lot of sense. https://www.wkyc.com/article/life/shopping/crocker-park-westlake-top-retail-center-united-states/95-833027fa-720f-494b-81d2-54cb91b6eb60#:~:text=Westlake's Crocker Park was named,engagement and overall visitor experience. Fifth best in the nation seems like a big stretch, but who am I to question Chain Center magazine, lol. I would argue that Easton is better than Crocker and is centrally located and has other chain State flagships, so interested in the metrics that went into that decision.
October 2, 2024Oct 2 10 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said: Fifth best in the nation seems like a big stretch, but who am I to question Chain Center magazine, lol. I would argue that Easton is better than Crocker and is centrally located and has other chain State flagships, so interested in the metrics that went into that decision. Easton is completely car centric and suburban in nature, and a 10 mile drive to downtown. It is hardly centrally located. I don't see all that much of a difference between Easton and Crocker Park. Both are built from the same mold. Edited October 2, 2024Oct 2 by jam40jeff
October 2, 2024Oct 2 8 hours ago, marty15 said: Apple will be opening their flagship Ohio store at Crocker. Next to Cheesecake. What's different from the normal one?
October 2, 2024Oct 2 28 minutes ago, jam40jeff said: Easton is completely car centric and suburban in nature, and a 10 mile drive to downtown. It is hardly centrally located. I don't see all that much of a difference between Easton and Crocker Park. Both are built from the same mold. It is however centrally located within the State of Ohio, so people from all the State's metros are about equal driving time from it. Hence why a State flagship might make a lot of sense there. Easton is bigger and has the department stores as well as high end luxury stores that Crocker and even the Cleveland market do not have as stand alone stores. The one thing Crocker does have over Easton is the real apartments over the stores, not the fake Disneylandesque nature of Easton's buildings. But Easton does have stand alone apartment buildings separate from the retail area. Edited October 2, 2024Oct 2 by Mov2Ohio
October 2, 2024Oct 2 11 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said: It is however centrally located within the State of Ohio, so people from all the State's metros are about equal driving time from it. Hence why a State flagship might make a lot of sense there. Easton is bigger and has the department stores as well as high end luxury stores that Crocker and even the Cleveland market do not have as stand alone stores. The one thing Crocker does have over Easton is the real apartments over the stores, not the fake Disneylandesque nature of Easton's buildings. But Easton does have stand alone apartment buildings separate from the retail area. That's all well and good but Crocker Park probably has a better performing Apple store compared to Easton and also probably received a better deal here. It's okay we can have nice things too, Columbus doesn't need everything.
October 2, 2024Oct 2 Just now, MyPhoneDead said: That's all well and good but Crocker Park probably has a better performing Apple store compared to Easton and also probably received a better deal here. It's okay we can have nice things too, Columbus doesn't need everything. I'd like to know the actual reasoning behind it and not operate in the hypothetical. Nobody is saying Columbus deserves anything more than any other place. I just mentioned my opinion on why, just casually observing, I think Easton makes more sense for a state flagship.
October 2, 2024Oct 2 Just now, Mov2Ohio said: I'd like to know the actual reasoning behind it and not operate in the hypothetical. Nobody is saying Columbus deserves anything more than any other place. I just mentioned my opinion on why, just casually observing, I think Easton makes more sense for a state flagship. We talk about the hypothetical here a lot on UO and with Apple being such a closed off company we'll probably never know. What I will say is after working in retail for so long, stores have to meet certain performance criteria consistently over a certain amount of time to "level up" which is why I mentioned performance, I used to work in stores that accomplished that. Also at the end of the day money talks so if they both were similar in performance they would upgrade the store that made the most financial sense.
October 2, 2024Oct 2 Sorry, I saw this Crocker Park thread keep popping up on my UO feed and thought it was something actually happening LOL. Where is the article/proof that Crocker Park is upgrading their Apple store to a "flagship for Ohio?" I find that highly dubious as Apple generally doesn't do flagships outside of large international markets. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
October 2, 2024Oct 2 54 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: What's different from the normal one? Aside from being 3-4x larger than the existing store, I couldn’t tell you.
October 2, 2024Oct 2 56 minutes ago, marty15 said: Aside from being 3-4x larger than the existing store, I couldn’t tell you. Did you see a coming soon sign in Crocker Park? How did you find out?
October 2, 2024Oct 2 28 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: Did you see a coming soon sign in Crocker Park? How did you find out? It is odd there is not more info if it is truly one of the iconic “flagship” stores that are found in world-class cities. Could this maybe just be an upgrade to new larger location at the outdoor mall especially with vacancies (not to mention space available from American Greetings down sizing). We saw news of the new small format Macy’s coming there but nothing on Apple yet. Regarding C-bus vs Cle if you are saying Apple is shifting to standalone starchitect-designed buildings I wouldn’t be surprised to see one in each of the 3Cs markets. They do have cash to burn. Edited October 2, 2024Oct 2 by Willo
October 2, 2024Oct 2 3 hours ago, Enginerd said: ^^did not know the site would automatically censor that 💀 The hosting software can be a little bit of a Richard about things like that. The same thing happened to the Browns site I admined years ago. Local staff hated it and we kept coming up with creative ways to evade it. The store's been in Cracker Park for at least a decade, because I bought the phone my daughter threw when she was mad at her game there. She was about 4 at the time and will be 14 this weekend. She started going there because their church is right down the street and loves the place. It's too condensed for me lol. The last time I picked her up there we had to use phone locate. Conveniently for awhile she forgot to turn it off after. :) Edited October 2, 2024Oct 2 by E Rocc
October 2, 2024Oct 2 What's the point of having state level flagship stores? Is anyone really going to drive from Cleveland to Columbus, or Cincy to Cleveland to buy their MacBook?
October 2, 2024Oct 2 Aside from this and Pinstripes taking over the Dic k’s after they move. A country themed bar/restaurant is going in down by Urban Air/AG. The FWD Hospitality people I believe.
October 2, 2024Oct 2 45 minutes ago, X said: What's the point of having state level flagship stores? Is anyone really going to drive from Cleveland to Columbus, or Cincy to Cleveland to buy their MacBook? I agree. I was surprised when the rep at the Macy's in University Heights stated that the Macy's store at Easton in Columbus was their state Flagship! I thought to myself who is driving to Columbus for Macy's!? My feelings are the same for the vast majority of our nationwide chains.
October 2, 2024Oct 2 Flagship CAN mean a one of a kind store - often in NYC, etc... But... As the Crocker Apple store is, what, 15-20 years old and in their old, original, small style - I can only believe they are building "A" flagship store at Crocker - a larger, more comprehensive one in their new style - vs "the" flagship store for Ohio - much like the new Cleveland RH/Restoration Hardware is in THEIR new flagship, mansion style, while other replacing a normal, old, smaller store. If correct, this is taking the old Smith and Hawken/Charming Charlie space -which is 10K square feet. Easton and Eton (12,000 square feet) already have their larger "flagship" style stores... - though this may boast newer, more flagshippy architecture.
October 2, 2024Oct 2 Note - Crocker keeps new stores fairly close to the vest. But the Westlake City site often has store names on record in the planning commission minutes months before announced. For the Apple store relocation, however, the last I saw said "moving from within center, asking that name not be an announced yet" or similar.
October 2, 2024Oct 2 20 minutes ago, eyehrtfood said: Flagship CAN mean a one of a kind store - often in NYC, etc... But... As the Crocker Apple store is, what, 15-20 years old and in their old, original, small style - I can only believe they are building "A" flagship store at Crocker - a larger, more comprehensive one in their new style - vs "the" flagship store for Ohio - much like the new Cleveland RH/Restoration Hardware is in THEIR new flagship, mansion style, while other replacing a normal, old, smaller store. If correct, this is taking the old Smith and Hawken/Charming Charlie space -which is 10K square feet. Easton and Eton (12,000 square feet) already have their larger "flagship" style stores... - though this may boast newer, more flagshippy architecture. True gossip grapevine likely is is loosely using “flagship” for Crocker plans - though it would be nice to get a true Apple flagship store as Foster+Partners designs for major center cities (Norman Foater did Clev Clinic new Clinic/Case med school). Maybe as part of the Skyline changing development that is coming downtown someday…like these stores they have designed: https://www.archdaily.com/1019182/a-decade-of-redefining-experience-retail-15-apple-stores-designed-by-foster-plus-partners-in-city-centers
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