July 6, 200717 yr When I heard that Max's was moving further west (due to "not enough parking," from what I've heard), I assumed they were going to move a few blocks away or something. But damn it if they move to Crooker Park... :whip: Yeah boy, Max's must really be hurting. Everytime I'm in there, it's packed. If it's true they're moving, them I'm boycotting them too. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 27, 200717 yr Sorry to resurrect an old topic, but I found this rather depressing photo on Flickr... http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=558563682&size=l It's the land that would eventually become The Promenade, and Crocker Park later on. The photo was taken in 1988, according to the person who posted it.
August 27, 200717 yr "thats the westside 'burbs for you! Um, Legacy Village? clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
August 27, 200717 yr I remember that plot well.. Crocker used to be 45 mph there too, it was a dream.. However, the picture is a little misleading. The K-Mart plaza was right across the street, it's not like it was an idyllic landscape.
October 27, 200717 yr Crocker Park sale talks said to be taken off the table Posted by Peter Krouse October 26, 2007 18:13PM Categories: Breaking News John Carney, whose family owns half the Westlake lifestyle center Crocker Park, has discussed selling part of that stake to Developers Diversified Realty Corp., headed by Scott Wolstein. ......
November 8, 200717 yr While scanning the election results I noticed that a zoning issue relating to the area around the intersection of Detroit and Crocker Rd. passed. I seem to recall that Stark (Crocker Park) was pushing some sort of zoning change so he could go ahead with plans for a hotel in the parking lot at that intersection (next to the just finished Fidelity Investments branch). Does anybody know if this indeed is the case and that we may soon be seeing a hotel at Crocker Park? (I know plans for the first hotel fell through...the one in the vincinity of Golds Gym). Also, about a month ago I was chatting with an employee of the Westlake Building Department and he made mention that Stark is finally taking steps to build on some of the vacant interior lots at Crocker Park. Specially, he mentioned the two vacant lots that flank the approach to Dicks Sporting Goods. I believe he said there was a residential component to the new construction although I am not sure (it just came up briefly in a conversation that center on different issues and it has also been a while and finally, I am just getting old and my mind does not work as well as it use to).
November 8, 200717 yr I think there is a residential compnent to those branches, as well as the existing ones. I know the new Puma, Guess and Apple stores are supposed to go in the 1st floor of that wing.
January 30, 200817 yr ^ This month's Builders Exchange magazine confirms that a 5,100 sf Apple store is underway.
April 25, 200817 yr Claddagh Irish Pub exits Crocker Park By SCOTT SUTTELL 3:12 pm, April 24, 2008 Claddagh Irish Pub, a tenant since October 2005 at the Crocker Park lifestyle center in Westlake, has closed. Bob Cannan, area director for the Solon-based restaurant chain, said the store closed two weeks ago because “Crocker Park was not working for us.” More at: PRINTED FROM: http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080424/FREE/750026788/1004&Profile=1004&template=printart
May 14, 200817 yr Yet Cheesecake factory is always packed. Hmm... so is Friday's. If they wanted hotel business, then why are they not downtown?
May 15, 200817 yr It's possible that we have passed Peak Claddagh. But we will only be sure in hindsight. One thing is for certain, the rule of the coming age will be adapt or die.
May 15, 200817 yr It's possible that we have passed Peak Claddagh. But we will only be sure in hindsight. One thing is for certain, the rule of the coming age will be adapt or die. The McFadden's of the world disagree
May 15, 200817 yr It's possible that we have passed Peak Claddagh. But we will only be sure in hindsight. One thing is for certain, the rule of the coming age will be adapt or die. Damn you! :) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 16, 200817 yr When I heard that Max's was moving further west (due to "not enough parking," from what I've heard), I assumed they were going to move a few blocks away or something. But damn it if they move to Crooker Park... :whip: Yeah boy, Max's must really be hurting. Everytime I'm in there, it's packed. If it's true they're moving, them I'm boycotting them too. ^Maybe everyone already knows this, but Max's moved to the new Westgate development, not CP
May 16, 200817 yr No MTS, don't do that... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 16, 200817 yr ^I thought Max's backed out of the Westgate project a few months ago. Are they now heading back?
May 16, 200817 yr Where did it say that? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 16, 200817 yr Huh, I didn't know they backed out. I went there once and the food was pretty good. I'd love to see them move to Rockport Square/Clifton-117/Detroit-shoreway
May 16, 200817 yr S'alright. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 17, 200817 yr Claddagh Irish Pub exits Crocker Park I think the place closed simply because it was not all that great. I would have picked Brendan O'Neills over that place any day. Too bad O'Neills got forced out of their lease across the street.
May 17, 200817 yr ^I remember reading somwhere that the guys who owned Claddagh were being investigated/prosecuted by the feds for tax evasion or something like that and that's why they closed; it wasn't because of a lack of business.
May 17, 200817 yr Claddagh was raided a couple years ago for tax evasion (I know one of the cops who was involved with it) - not sure if that was the direct cause of the closing or not. The one at Legacy is still open.
May 17, 200817 yr Claddagh was raided a couple years ago for tax evasion (I know one of the cops who was involved with it) - not sure if that was the direct cause of the closing or not. The one at Legacy is still open. Having worked for a restaurant that "went out of business for lack of customers", I have no issue believing they closed for less pleasant reasons. I didn't frequent there, but whenever I ate there the restaurant portion seemed completely full. Anywho, I am much more excited about Coldstone!
January 10, 201114 yr After a hiatus of almost three years, this thread is back with the first new construction at Crocker Park in at least as long.... Coral Co. ramps up residential construction next to Crocker Park Published: Friday, January 07, 2011, 5:58 PM Updated: Sunday, January 09, 2011, 9:53 AM By Michelle Jarboe, The Plain Dealer WESTLAKE, Ohio -- The Coral Co. is dusting off its plans and building homes again next to the Crocker Park shopping center in Westlake. The developer, based in University Heights, has started construction of 11 homes and just received city approval of plans to build 11 lofts along the western edge of a parking garage. Despite the sluggish real estate market, Coral and several other Northeast Ohio homebuilders saw sales pick up in 2010 - and they are hopeful about this year. READ MORE AT: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/01/coral_co_ramps_up_residential.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 20, 201114 yr Yuck. It would have been great to hear them make a surprise announcement for moving their HQ downtown.
May 20, 201114 yr I wonder if the Stark Warehouse District development had continued if there would have been a chance to have had their headquarters be a part of that redevolpment,
May 20, 201114 yr I doubt it. I don't think American Greetings wants to have anything to do with the city. Each move they are making is getting farther away from it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 20, 201114 yr Yeah American Greetings obviously wants nothing to do with the city. Unfortunately too many businesses are going this route. Do they not understand that THEY are creating the problems for the city by not supporting it?
July 25, 201113 yr Crocker Park growth promises more workers, shoppers, residents and traffic for Westlake Published: Monday, July 25, 2011, 6:00 AM Updated: Monday, July 25, 2011, 8:44 AM By Michelle Jarboe, The Plain Dealer WESTLAKE, Ohio -- Potential expansion plans for Crocker Park would double the size of the mixed-use town center, adding offices for American Greetings Corp., a hotel, more stores and restaurants, several parking garages and entertainment including a bowling alley. Stark Enterprises is asking Westlake officials to approve an updated Crocker Park master plan, which expands the project's scope to 3 million square feet. That's more than twice the current size of the stores, restaurants, apartments and homes along the west side of Crocker Road, south of Detroit Road. The big numbers worry some neighbors, who envision tall buildings rising in their back yards and congestion along Crocker Road READ MORE AT: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/07/potential_crocker_park_expansi.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 25, 201113 yr I doubt it. I don't think American Greetings wants to have anything to do with the city. Each move they are making is getting farther away from it. They are watching their pocketbook, same as any business. Why does American Greetings owe the City of Cleveland anything? The majority of their employees live in the suburbs and do not want to commute downtown. And of course they are moving farther away, it gets cheaper the farther out you go to buy land, build, parking, etc. The only way it's going to work to bring a headquarters like American Greetings downtown is with big subsidies for office leasing/purchasing & parking. I had conversations with a guy this weekend who works in City hall and said they'd been approached by several major employers in the last 5 years about coming downtown. Eaton of course along with a sizable chunk of Progressive staff and others. He said City hall sat on their hands and blew the deal.
July 25, 201113 yr ^Or City Hall felt they couldn't afford to set a bad precedent or cause a domino effect. You give a sweetheart deal to any of those businesses and all of the downtown businesses will come forward with their hands out when their respective leases are up. They would be watching their pocketbook, same as any business.
July 25, 201113 yr ^^Such conversations with "guys" saying the same exact thing (city dropped the ball) have been posted numerous times on this board on multiple occasions and have been shot down very convincingly by other posters (I think McCleveland comes to mind). This kind of talk has reached internet urban legend status and I find it very hard to believe. More relevant to Crocker Park...this area is already a nightmare at rush hour. The traffic "fixes" suggested in the article probably won't do much. It is not going to be a pretty picture.
July 25, 201113 yr ^ Well Eaton already was downtown 5 years ago (and for the moment still is). Now Progressive approaching city hall to move staff downtown would be quite the story to discuss, albeit not for this thread
July 25, 201113 yr More relevant to Crocker Park...this area is already a nightmare at rush hour. The traffic "fixes" suggested in the article probably won't do much. It is not going to be a pretty picture. I see only three options to reduce the traffic -- 1. keep trying to disperse the traffic generators farther out from Greater Cleveland as we have done for 50+ years; 2. relocate traffic generators to more pedestrian-friendly, transit-friendly areas of the already built urbanized area; 3. change the land use patterns in Westlake by adding more mixed-use, pedestrian-oriented development patterns served by expanded transit. The laissez faire approach, which literally kicks the can down the road, is #1. And all it has done has left blight in its wake. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 25, 201113 yr You might get a little of 3, albeit in a closed environment. There's supposed to be more residential to go in with the expansion, yes? Doesn't mean anyone from AG will move in there, but I'm trying to make lemonade here.
July 25, 201113 yr What is with Stark projects and crappy parking. Look at Eton, Legacy and Crocke. Does the guy just have a hang up of accessible parking.
July 26, 201113 yr ^^I disagree about crocker compared to legacy and eton. Legacy and eton just have massive surface lots surrounding them. Crocker at least has garages strategically placed around the development
July 26, 201113 yr ^^I disagree about crocker compared to legacy and eton. Legacy and eton just have massive surface lots surrounding them. Crocker at least has garages strategically placed around the development Id also agree
September 22, 201113 yr Congrats to Michelle on recent marriage! Hearts are breaking all over Cleveland......;-) Foreign investors could raise $75 million for American Greetings HQ, Crocker Park expansion Published: Wednesday, September 21, 2011, 5:15 PM Updated: Wednesday, September 21, 2011, 7:32 PM By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer WESTLAKE, Ohio -- Wealthy foreign investors could put together $75 million to help pay for American Greetings Corp.'s new headquarters and the expansion of Crocker Park. The Cleveland International Fund raised $45 million for the Flats East Bank development and is finding overseas support for construction projects at University Hospitals. Now the fund aims to raise up to $65 million for the American Greetings headquarters and $10 million for the accompanying expansion of the Crocker Park retail, office and residential development in Westlake. American Greetings, a publicly traded company based in Brooklyn, disclosed the deal in a regulatory filing Wednesday afternoon. READ MORE AT: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/09/foreign_investors_could_raise.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 21, 201213 yr American Greetings details headquarters plans, says Westlake construction to start in early 2013 By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer BROOKLYN, Ohio -- American Greetings Corp. expects to start construction early next year on its Westlake headquarters, which new renderings depict as a five-story, office-and-retail building and parking garage at the south end of Crocker Park. The publicly traded company, which produces cards and other greetings, plans to move from Brooklyn to Westlake in mid-2014. Executives unveiled the first designs for the $150 million to $200 million headquarters project during a meeting with employees this afternoon. Renderings from architecture firm RTKL show a 650,000-square-foot headquarters building, wrapping a square courtyard on the third story. To the west, American Greetings and the city of Westlake will build a five-level parking structure, linked to the company's offices by a glassy, enclosed bridge. cont: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/american_greetings_details_hea.html
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