April 17, 201213 yr I will now officially resurrect the Trader Joes rumor from so many pages ago on this thread Wow, there are so many better locations for that....
April 17, 201213 yr For you perhaps... not for me. Unless it were located directly in Kamms No not for me since I dont live there. You surprise me given your background in Urban Planning.
April 17, 201213 yr To be clear, I never said this Steelyards is the place to have one. However, it is clearly a better location than the one at Crocker. Much larger demographic footprint, what with Tremont, OC, Downtown, plus the freeway connections. So as far as Cleveland proper is concerned, I support the rumor from two years ago.
April 20, 201213 yr Don't know if this was mentioned, but Steelyard's Facebook confirmed the addition of TACO BELL :lol: and PENN STATION coming to Steelyard Commons! Also set to open soon are Guthrie's Chicken and Five Guys. There was also a rumor that Burlington was very interested in Steelyard.
April 20, 201213 yr I heard the same thing about Burlington but that they are requiring another anchor before proceeding.
April 20, 201213 yr I heard the same thing about Burlington but that they are requiring another anchor before proceeding. Perhaps it was due to them not wanting to create new development, but maybe they might look into the Best Buy building- may be too small though. There is a petition to save the Steelyard Best Buy as well.
May 1, 201213 yr Looks like the five guys is open as they are telling people to come to the SYC location and check them out!
May 4, 201213 yr I dropped into SYC Five Guys since I was riding the towpath today. They had a pair of the Coke touch screen soda fountains as seen below. I had never seen one in person so that was fun. That corner of the shopping center pretty much has burgers taken care of with Five Guys, Burger King and Steak'n'Shake all on that intersection.
May 4, 201213 yr I dropped into SYC Five Guys since I was riding the towpath today. They had a pair of the Coke touch screen soda fountains as seen below. I had never seen one in person so that was fun. That corner of the shopping center pretty much has burgers taken care of with Five Guys, Burger King and Steak'n'Shake all on that intersection. Coke introducedthe "freestyle" vending machines in So. Cal and Atlanta in late 2009. Then at select AMC theatres. Then tested at select Five Guys and Wendy's and other select "coke" only partner in 2010. The program was rolled out to Franchise in late 2011.
May 22, 201213 yr Don't know if this was mentioned, but Steelyard's Facebook confirmed the addition of TACO BELL :lol: and PENN STATION coming to Steelyard Commons! Also set to open soon are Guthrie's Chicken and Five Guys. There was also a rumor that Burlington was very interested in Steelyard. For the rumored Taco Bell: Near West Design Review District Agenda (8:30 a.m., Wednesday, May 23rd, 2012) Dollar Bank, 3115 West 25th Street 8:30 a.m. 1. NW 2012-015: Taco Bell at Steelyard Commons 3314 Steelyard Drive © Project Representatives – Dave Vorndran, Project Manager/Tenant Coordinator, First Interstate Properties, Inc. & Todd Huntington, Architect, GPD. Construction of a 2,608 sq. ft. Taco Bell restaurant building w/a drive-thru lane and 30 parking spaces. Site access will be provided directly from Steelyard Drive as well as from internal access driveways. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2012/pdf/NW_Agenda5-23-12.pdf
May 22, 201213 yr Here's the phase II leasing plan including some of the rumored tenants... http://www.goodmanrealestate.com/pmoreinfo.aspx?rid=91 Guthries - have driven by 3-4x and have seen no customers inside...
May 22, 201213 yr Did I miss this? Burlingtons? 2013? Hm... and an Aldis Wonder what that means for the Aldi location on Pearl, just north of Denison
May 23, 201213 yr Wonder what that means for the Aldi location on Pearl, just north of Denison Good question. That store seems to get a lot of neighborhood walk-in/transit business that Steelyard doesn't/won't get. BTW, I saw that Steelyard sign graphic behind Burlington's and first thought it was a proposed pedestrian walkway to get over to Valentine Avenue, MetroHealth Medical Center, Scranton and West 25th. Alas, it was not to be...... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 5, 201213 yr So is it definitely confirmed that we ARE getting a Burlington or is this based on a letter of intent or something?
June 26, 201212 yr Since Steelyard has officially begun phase 2, I figured we should have a separate thread for that. I didn't find one but if there's already one, please delete this mods. Steelyard just announced on its Facebook Page that officially Burlington Coat Factory is coming. :clap: I believe they will be the anchor of phase 2
June 26, 201212 yr Thats cool thats its finally official. For this thread, I think it could probably remain in the other steelyard commons one, unless that one is in completed projects. Thanks for sharing though. Good news!
June 26, 201212 yr So I assume this means there no chance of Burlington moving in to the Best Buy building?
June 26, 201212 yr Might as well discuss the continued development of Steelyard Commons in this thread, since there has been discussion of it here already. And unlike the Casino, I don't think the developers had a phase 1/phase 2 concept in mind when they started building Steelyard. It just seemed to work out that way as the economy soured. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 26, 201212 yr ^ I think they did have a phased approach in mind ... Just not with the length of wait in the middle between the two phases :) Shortly after Steak and Shake went up, they had signs about Phase 2 going up. And I think that was pre-financing crisis.
July 24, 201212 yr I don't think Aldi will detract much from the Pearl store. That one has a very cramped and unusual and has plenty of population to support it. I think Steelyard is going to be more for downtown and Tremont and will make my shopping so much easier. Westside Market to Target to Aldi then back home...wahoo!!
August 2, 201212 yr I am cool with Steelyard expanding with a phase 2. It's nice Cleveland finally has some decent national chains in the city proper. That however is not an excuse for First Interstate, the City, or its residents to never aspire for anything nicer than upper lower class retail shopping options in the city. Other equal sized metropolitan areas do wonders with similar shopping developments. So why are we celebrating a Burlington Coat Factory and a Taco Bell? This shopping center is owned by Mr. Luxury Legacy Village - why can't Mitchy boy invest some higher end shopping for the clientele at Steelyard for Clevelanders? Oh, right. It's a demographic thing - Clevelander's can't afford nice things. They have to shop at Wal-Mart, Deal$, and Aldi's. Only problem with the rather stale site directory at Steelyard is that it's right next to Tremont where many young professionals with disposable incomes live. And 5 minutes from downtown and Ohio City where many more reside. Where's a Heinen's? Whole Foods? Earth Fare? Constantino's? SOME, ANY decent grocery store besides a Wal-Mart and Aldi's? Oh wait, nice grocery stores in the city - that only happens everywhere except Cleveland... Sorry for being a complainer, but it irritates the hell out of me that no efforts have been made to attract decent retail. Oh, I'm sorry: Guthrie's is the shit.
August 2, 201212 yr On the subject of whole foods...we are finally on their website (listed as West Cleveland) in stores in development. I heard that they do not go into an area unless there's at least 25% of the nearby residents with a bachelor or higher education level. I do not know the validity of that, since I doubt they would post online, but it makes sense looking at all of their other locations. Positive note...Midtown Detroit is getting one, so we have a step in the right direction. I would think Trader Joes would do better in Cleveland proper though. I've personally sent them a store request.
August 2, 201212 yr right next to Tremont where many young professionals with disposable incomes live. And 5 minutes from downtown and Ohio City where many more reside. Between Downtown, Flats West, Northern Tremont, and the heart of Ohio City, there is only 11,685 residents. And not all of those have money, or are highly educated like jjames0408 said might be a requirement.
August 2, 201212 yr Sort of OT, but the Whole Paycheck (sorry for the stab, can't resist) is going to Rocky River, not Steelyard - http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/18225 People who have the financial means [not a stretch to say this includes college+ grads] to choose where they live in Cleveland will consider whether or not their favorite stores are nearby as a part of their decision . Then, retailers probably won't go there unless they're already an existing amount of their desired demo's there.
August 2, 201212 yr I am cool with Steelyard expanding with a phase 2. It's nice Cleveland finally has some decent national chains in the city proper. That however is not an excuse for First Interstate, the City, or its residents to never aspire for anything nicer than upper lower class retail shopping options in the city. Other equal sized metropolitan areas do wonders with similar shopping developments. So why are we celebrating a Burlington Coat Factory and a Taco Bell? This shopping center is owned by Mr. Luxury Legacy Village - why can't Mitchy boy invest some higher end shopping for the clientele at Steelyard for Clevelanders? Oh, right. It's a demographic thing - Clevelander's can't afford nice things. They have to shop at Wal-Mart, Deal$, and Aldi's. Only problem with the rather stale site directory at Steelyard is that it's right next to Tremont where many young professionals with disposable incomes live. And 5 minutes from downtown and Ohio City where many more reside. Where's a Heinen's? Whole Foods? Earth Fare? Constantino's? SOME, ANY decent grocery store besides a Wal-Mart and Aldi's? Oh wait, nice grocery stores in the city - that only happens everywhere except Cleveland... Sorry for being a complainer, but it irritates the hell out of me that no efforts have been made to attract decent retail. Oh, I'm sorry: Guthrie's is the sh!t. While thats true maybe they wanted these stores because while they are in the area already very few If any are in Cleveland and they wanted to give these shopping options to Cleveland residents without having to go to the burbs. Also another reason no high end shops are there are maybe they didn't like the location that it's at because I know a few people themselves who don't shop there because of location. It could be numerous reasons beyond a lack of trying to attract High end stores. Maybe steelyard given its proximity to Downtown is suffering the same fate as Downtown as far as attracting high end retailers. Downtown has higher income residents and is also close to Ohio City but you don't see retailers clamoring to get space. As I previously stated I think the lack of high end stores isn't because of a lack of trying maybe that was their original clientele but couldn't get any to take the risk. Also maybe it was the time steelyard was built (2008?) and many higher end retailers were hesitant to expand so to get the project off the ground they settled with Wal-Mart, Target etc. I wouldn't be so hasty until you know the entire story behind why the store selection is like that now. Speaking on peoples excitement over Burlington and Taco Bell I believe they are excited because it's PROGRESS and when any national chain wants to sign on to your project beats having it sit empty or have the Tower City Syndrome.
August 2, 201212 yr High end retailers do not open up shop in strip centers. Why would one think that a high end retailer would ever consider opening at a place like steelyard commons? It is not their business model.
August 2, 201212 yr How does a smaller city like Savannah Georgia have a Banana Republic, Urban Outfitters, Marc by Marc Jacobs, and a Gap, all downtown in storefronts. We really need a retail boost downtown, and not in Steelyard Commons. Steelyard is good for what it is, Target, Walmart, and other large chain stores. Other retailers belong downtown.
August 2, 201212 yr Sort of OT, but the Whole Paycheck (sorry for the stab, can't resist) is going to Rocky River, not Steelyard - http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/18225 People who have the financial means [not a stretch to say this includes college+ grads] to choose where they live in Cleveland will consider whether or not their favorite stores are nearby as a part of their decision . Then, retailers probably won't go there unless they're already an existing amount of their desired demo's there. Ya, my comment was completely off topic from Steelyard...apologies.
August 2, 201212 yr People are excited because, for the most part, NONE of those stores were in Cleveland proper before Steelyard. This is progress and a great thing for the city. You don't go from essentially having NO national stores to having Legacy Village. It doesn't work that way. You have to first demonstrate that retail in general can work in your city before you start clamoring for high end retail. I agree that we should have more high end retail. But you don't get there from nowhere. Steelyard is demonstrating that national retail in general can work in Cleveland. That was step number 1. And by the way, I've heard that First Interstate actually makes more money from Steelyard than Legacy Village. Why? Larger market.
August 2, 201212 yr Cause Legacy Village has nothing in it, and is competing with the Beachwood mall.
August 2, 201212 yr Building a strip center that takes retail opportunities from your downtown is not progress. A Whole Foods in midtown Detroit? That's progress.
August 2, 201212 yr Smh. Building a strip center to attract stores that most likely wouldn't be going downtown anyway in a city that had almost none of those stores prior IS progress. 0 + 1 = 1. Not zero. If we had NOTHING (which was basically the case) and now you add Steelyard, that means you now have SOMETHING when before you had NOTHING. I don't think anyone reasonably believes that Steelyard is hurting downtown retail. That's absurd. Its been well documented that the dynamics of downtown Cleveland retail is a unique monster all on its own. No one could possibly believe that if Steelyard didn't exist, downtown retail would be better. The most likely case is that if Steelyard didn't exist, the vast majority of those stores wouldn't be in the city AT ALL. Where Steelyard stands would most likely still be vacant and all of that income would be somewhere else, in some suburb. It shouldn't even take explaining. The benefits are obvious. We literally had NO national retail in the city of Cleveland. If you can't convince the mid-level retailers that they can make money in Steelyard, then you don't have a snowballs chance in hell of convincing more higher end stores. You don't go from nothing to Beachwood Place quality stores. This is quite simple, really.
August 2, 201212 yr Unique monster? Maybe we can get Ron Pearlman to play it in the film adaptation. So how does Detroit get a Whole Foods without building a suburban strip plaza? Midtown Detroit is a place to see "unique monsters" fighting over a bag of Fritos. I used to live there. Most of Cleveland's neighborhoods are at least viable and that's not true of Detroit at all. The state is practically taking over that place, but somehow we're the ones who have to re-acclimate commerce by putting it all the way down there, or 2 suburbs out? I'm sorry, that is a management fail. We're never going to get anywhere by claiming special rules that force Cleveland, and only Cleveland, to suck.
August 3, 201212 yr If Cleveland sucks so much, then move to Detroit. Let's stay focused on the topic at hand. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 3, 201212 yr FWIW, there's a very good Next American City article on CDCs leading the charge on things that municipal government once did. The major focus is on Midtown Detroit, Inc., and how they were able to make a direct, aggressive and well-reasoned case to Whole Foods to test an inner-city market approach in Detroit ... Additional bonus is a big focus on the tremendous leaps and bounds UCI is making: http://americancity.org/forefront/view/welcome-to-your-new-government So in addition to the company itself looking for certain market demographics, city incentives, etc., it clearly helps to have local groups, either city or county government or community development / economic development organizations or private developers pushing for investment in particular target areas and creating a sense of momentum and positive trajectory that stretches beyond current demographics. Someone's got to make the compelling sell. Locally, I'd say there have been successful examples all over the place for investment that demographics don't justify ... UCI, OCI, Maron, etc. To relate this back to this thread, at the end of the day, you need either Steelyard developers aggressively pushing upper-scale retail into Phase 2, Tremont West doing that or the city or Team NEO or someone doing that. And that group needs to make a compelling case around current sales volume, demographics of surrounding neighborhoods, demographics of buyers, geographic pull, etc., as well as a convincing argument for how the center will change over time (no one wants to be the stand-alone tenant of its type, even in a relatively stable, successful retail area ... See Glazen's "Project Light Switch" idea for Waterloo).
August 3, 201212 yr How does a smaller city like Savannah Georgia have a Banana Republic, Urban Outfitters, Marc by Marc Jacobs, and a Gap, all downtown in storefronts. We really need a retail boost downtown, and not in Steelyard Commons. Steelyard is good for what it is, Target, Walmart, and other large chain stores. Other retailers belong downtown. It's not like any of these stores make emotional or gut instinct decisions. They are retailers, answering for the most part to public shareholders. Their site selections are based purely on demographic data, lease rates, etc. If there was a market in Cleveland, they'd be here. At one time a few worked Cleveland and Tower City into their equation. Now they don't fit. If we are on the fringe then that's where civic leaders, developers and the like can push them over the edge. But if there was a market, they would be building downtown.
August 14, 201212 yr I know this has been rumored, but this might be the first announcement we have seen. New lease at Steelyard could spur second phase Burlington would anchor 200K-square-foot center 4:30 am, August 13, 2012 By STAN BULLARD Steelyard Commons, the big shopping center near downtown Cleveland, appears on the verge of its first major expansion since it opened in 2007 on the site of a former LTV steel mill. First Interstate Properties Inc. of Lyndhurst, the developer of Steelyard Commons, has leased land to Burlington Coat Factory, a national off-price department store chain, for a 77,000-square-foot store to be built north of the Walmart Super Center. The lease is a breakthrough for First Interstate as it looks to launch a long-planned second phase of Steelyard Commons, which brought a contemporary, big-box retail center within the city limits. “We're working on launching phase two,” Mitchell Schneider, CEO of First Interstate, said in an interview last Friday, Aug. 10, as he confirmed Burlington's commitment to Steelyard, which sits at the central location of Jennings Road and Inter-state 71. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20120813/SUB1/308139973 (you will have to search the title)
September 23, 201212 yr I believe construction has started on the Taco Bell - right next to Steak N' Shake. The footprint looks too small and too close to the street to be Burlington or Aldi. I asked the girl in the Steak N' Shake drive thru if it was the Taco Bell going up, and she got this stunned look on her face, kinda said yes, and was then like "How'd you know? Did they put a sign up?" It's good to have connections, hahaha.
September 23, 201212 yr I asked the girl in the Steak N' Shake drive thru if it was the Taco Bell going up, and she got this stunned look on her face, kinda said yes, and was then like "How'd you know? Did they put a sign up?" It's good to have connections, hahaha. It's good to be an Urban Ohioan. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 3, 201212 yr That is in fact the Taco Bell going up next to Steak and Shake. Framing has started and there is a sign in front announcing it as a Taco Bell.
October 3, 201212 yr Halloween City is renting out the old best buy location for the season. They placed a big pumpkin on the old best buy tag, kinda cool. But cheesy
January 29, 201312 yr This is at the south end of Steelyard Commons.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2013/02012013/index.php City Planning Commission Agenda for February 1, 2013 NEAR WEST DESIGN REVIEW NW2013-006 – Aldi’s New Construction Project Location: Steelyard Commons Outlot #3 Project Representatives: Bill Boron, Atwell LLC Steve Pickett, Aldi’s "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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