46 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

 

They're having stuff delivered to them and taking rideshare like crazy.  I don't doubt that many living in nearby apartments are taking rideshare to the Hyde Park or Ft. Thomas Kroger stores rather than walk to the Corryville one. 

 

I don't think anybody is delivering food on bicycles in Clifton right now.  Everything is either cars or electric scooters.  Snag took over Duttenhoffer's Books and they appear to have at least 10 guys delivering on electric scooters at any given time.  https://snagdelivery.app/

 

 

This rhetoric simply doesn't hold up to scrutiny. We know you think college students have somehow become rich over the past handful of years and take rideshares everywhere, but it's truly a load of nonsense. Kids aren't getting in ubers at Calhoun for their daily needs.

 

These are freshman dorms. Every single one of them has a requirement to have a meal plan. They also have what amounts to a mini fridge to share with their roommate(s). Grocery shopping is going to be limited as it is and they're walking to the on campus food options for the majority of their meals, just as has been the case for decades for freshman.

Edited March 14Mar 14 by jmicha

The switch from high school to college can be really overwhelming and one of factors is that being responsible for coming up with 3 meals a day is tough even in adulthood with a full kitchen. Meal plans and cafeterias are good. 

The EPA campus  all 22 acres of it,480 k sq feet of office buildings next to UC is looking to be available soon.Wonder how and what UC will do with it.

Edited March 18Mar 18 by ucnum1

On 3/14/2025 at 10:50 AM, Lazarus said:

 

They're having stuff delivered to them and taking rideshare like crazy.  I don't doubt that many living in nearby apartments are taking rideshare to the Hyde Park or Ft. Thomas Kroger stores rather than walk to the Corryville one. 

 

I don't think anybody is delivering food on bicycles in Clifton right now.  Everything is either cars or electric scooters.  Snag took over Duttenhoffer's Books and they appear to have at least 10 guys delivering on electric scooters at any given time.  https://snagdelivery.app/

 

 

 

You say these outlandish things repeatedly and every time multiple people call them out as ridiculous. Do you think everyone else is just dumb? Or have you ever had any self reflection about these opinions and thought maybe the fact that everyone disagrees with me means I am the one who is wrong?

So I heard through the grapevine the EPA campus next to UC might be targeted by DOGE=Trump for closure.Good and bad with this of course.UC would be able to buy some much needed land for it's campus.Shame to lose the EPA jobs of course.The campus already has had sizable cuts.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5200544-trump-administration-epa-science-arm-elimination/amp/

"If" they were to buy it, I could see it as a location for an Alumni Association and maybe a Hotel/Convention Center. Kind of similar to NC State.

 

If the EPA site is sold, the city should reconnect Jefferson Avenue, eliminate the awful Jefferson/Vine/Short Vine/MLK intersection, and let the superblock heal back into walkable urbanism.

 

 

If the University would want it, it would be interesting to see a campus-Burnet Woods hybrid on that site. Knowing nothing about the interior, the building and its additions are handsome enough to save imo.

6 hours ago, taestell said:

If the EPA site is sold, the city should reconnect Jefferson Avenue, eliminate the awful Jefferson/Vine/Short Vine/MLK intersection, and let the superblock heal back into walkable urbanism.

 

When UC went on its building binge back in the 90s, there was more than one proposal and at least one realized balsa wood model of an overpass/underpass and/or real tunnel in this area for MLK. 

 

I thnk that the problem with boring a real tunnel between Woodside and Eden Ave. would be that its relatively short length (2,000-2,500ft) might be too short for the economical use of a custom-made TBM. 

On 3/19/2025 at 12:05 PM, tonyt3524 said:

"If" they were to buy it, I could see it as a location for an Alumni Association and maybe a Hotel/Convention Center. Kind of similar to NC State.

 

UC is severely lacking in open green space for students when compared to peer universities. If they could get the EPA site, there might be enough room for more intramural fields and maybe even a softball stadium since UC is now in a conference that takes fast pitch softball seriously 

There's a ton of green space right next to this site....

I don't know anything on the specifics but I remember when they built the new Lindner College of Business they had to (or just chose?) incorporate the grass on top to help stay at a certain acreage of green space on campus. I don't know what that entails but found that interesting at the time.

Edited March 24Mar 24 by tonyt3524

Based on existing demand, it would more than likely be an extension of the existing campus green, lined with dormitories. This would make a central housing hub that can accommodate both campuses.

4 minutes ago, CincyIntheKnow said:

Based on existing demand, it would more than likely be an extension of the existing campus green, lined with dormitories. This would make a central housing hub that can accommodate both campuses.

 

That would make the most sense with some of the "emerging themes" from the Campus Master Plan process they're working on.

• Create more opportunities for open space
• Better connect the two campuses

21 hours ago, taestell said:

If the EPA site is sold, the city should reconnect Jefferson Avenue, eliminate the awful Jefferson/Vine/Short Vine/MLK intersection, and let the superblock heal back into walkable urbanism.

 

 

 

 

GREAT IDEA

21 hours ago, taestell said:

If the EPA site is sold, the city should reconnect Jefferson Avenue, eliminate the awful Jefferson/Vine/Short Vine/MLK intersection, and let the superblock heal back into walkable urbanism.

 

 

 

First, the EPA does critically necessary and important work. It is asinine to live in a time of such great climate emergency and be at the whims of a climate ignorant administration. I think it's so dumb we are talking about this.

 

@taestell Good idea, but what a waste of building materials, though. I, no doubt, agree that this intersection needs a complete street overhaul, but not requiring the demolition of such a massive, functional, building.

 

I cave. I love the EPA building's architecture, too. Brutalist style, with a mass that breaks down into smaller and smaller forms as it gets closer to the southeast corner. 

 

Regardless of my love for good Brutalism, the EPA site is not exactly the most environmentally friendly. It's suburban and on visual inspection most of its site seems to be covered in parking and asphalt. The building itself is a relatively small part of the area. Good urbanism and environmentalism would dictate a higher and better use for the site than parking and asphalt.

 

Perhaps an orthogonal street grid could be re-established while preserving and adaptively reusing the building as an addition to either the Main or Medical Campus?

 

My "let the urban fabric heal" comment was little bit tongue-in-cheek, I know this part of the city is never going back to fine-grained urbanism. But if UC took over the main EPA building, there would still be an opportunity to demolish the garage and surface parking, add back some of the internal streets that were demolished for the superblock, and have plenty of land that can be used for greenspace and/or new dorm buildings. If UC is smart, they will push for some significant taming (or capping) of MLK and Vine in this area allowing the main and medicals campuses to be better integrated. Right now walking between them is an awful experience.

1 hour ago, taestell said:

 If UC is smart, they will push for some significant taming (or capping) of MLK and Vine in this area allowing the main and medicals campuses to be better integrated. Right now walking between them is an awful experience.

 

And a very dangerous and sometimes deadly one.

I agree with @Chas Wiederhold that it would be a waste to tear down the building... but I'd love to see the massive setback reduced, and shift Jefferson/Vine closer to the building so that the intersection could be shrunk dramatically.

 

The setbacks are a federal requirement, I believe. The NIOSH facility would have similar setbacks (if it is built).

The Environmental Protection Agency is an independent agency of the United States government tasked with environmental protection matters. President Richard Nixon proposed the establishment of EPA on July 9, 1970; it began operation on December 2, 1970, after Nixon signed an executive order.

 

Personally, I appreciate a clean environment. IMO we should just keep it around. i recently viewed some videos of India, Pakistan and a few other countries in that region. you can check them out on YouTube. Most people on UnbanOhio are old enough to have children. How about we keep the country clean for a little while longer? i don't know what the EPA does in particular but the Mill Creek project, asbestos cleanup, lead paint cleanup, and Ohio River cleanup are maybe a few projects that attempted to keep our planet a little cleaner. 

And while I'm on it, why not keep the Department of Education, too? if we teach something useful, like maybe... the earth isn't flat, and it is older than 6,000 years. maybe future generations will find a better to work with the environment.

While I've got your ear, have you ever seen a chicken processing factory or cow processing factory? I think modern society has lost its way. When you turn people into "the other" exactly what do you call stunning a cow then hanging it by a hoove to be flayed, and cut into pieces. 

5 minutes ago, RJohnson said:

The Environmental Protection Agency is an independent agency of the United States government

Nothing is independent of Trump.

11 hours ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

UC is severely lacking in open green space for students when compared to peer universities.

 

No, it's not.  The structured athletic fields get a ton of use by various student groups.  The unstructured spaces like Sigma Sigma Commons don't.  And meanwhile, Burnett Woods sits directly across the street and sees almost no use.  It's really the most under-used city park I can think of, anywhere in the country, that is right in the middle of a dense area.  That's because other than the frisbee golf course, the place has no structured uses.  I wouldn't be surprised if a high percentage of UC graduates fail to set foot in Burnett Woods even once each year.  Which would mean Burnett Woods gets about the same usage by UC students as the EPA grass buffer. 

 

 

 

 

 

11 hours ago, Lazarus said:

 

No, it's not.  The structured athletic fields get a ton of use by various student groups.  The unstructured spaces like Sigma Sigma Commons don't.  And meanwhile, Burnett Woods sits directly across the street and sees almost no use.  It's really the most under-used city park I can think of, anywhere in the country, that is right in the middle of a dense area.  That's because other than the frisbee golf course, the place has no structured uses.  I wouldn't be surprised if a high percentage of UC graduates fail to set foot in Burnett Woods even once each year.  Which would mean Burnett Woods gets about the same usage by UC students as the EPA grass buffer. 

 

 

 

 

 

The only usage I’ve seen from UC students and I did it as well when I was a student was to walk through it on my way to class. I used to park along Jefferson Ave and cut through the park. 

11 hours ago, Lazarus said:

 I wouldn't be surprised if a high percentage of UC graduates fail to set foot in Burnett Woods even once each year.  Which would mean Burnett Woods gets about the same usage by UC students as the EPA grass buffer. 

 

26 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

The only usage I’ve seen from UC students and I did it as well when I was a student was to walk through it on my way to class. I used to park along Jefferson Ave and cut through the park. 

 

In five years of DAAP, most of that time spent in studios overlooking Burnett Woods, I think I visited Burnett Woods with friends once or maybe twice. About as many times as we visited the roof of Crosley. I think once was looking for different stuff to draw in our freshman foundation class, and maybe just killing time between classes. I remember skipping rocks on the lake, and climbing around on the Chamber of Commerce Stonehenge structure.

MLK is pretty intimidating to cross, not something you want to do without a good reason. Burnett is also on the opposite side of campus from most of the dorms. I commuted, but many of my friends did not.

16 hours ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

The setbacks are a federal requirement, I believe. The NIOSH facility would have similar setbacks (if it is built).

Yeah - I'm aware of those requirements... and they suck from an urbanist/walkability perspective. They effectively mandate suburban-style office parks that are only easily accessible by car.

 

I still hope the NIOSH facility will be built in Uptown because it would be a good jobs center and would be nice to have it near other major institutions, but I'm bummed at the latest (several years old by now) site plans with massive setbacks. 

Could niosh take the EPA building?

1 hour ago, mrCharlie said:

 

 

In five years of DAAP, most of that time spent in studios overlooking Burnett Woods, I think I visited Burnett Woods with friends once or maybe twice. About as many times as we visited the roof of Crosley. I think once was looking for different stuff to draw in our freshman foundation class, and maybe just killing time between classes. I remember skipping rocks on the lake, and climbing around on the Chamber of Commerce Stonehenge structure.

MLK is pretty intimidating to cross, not something you want to do without a good reason. Burnett is also on the opposite side of campus from most of the dorms. I commuted, but many of my friends did not.

 

I never went into Burnet Woods despite being 4 blocks away.

31 minutes ago, GCrites said:

 

I never went into Burnet Woods despite being 4 blocks away.

 

Sometimes you will see people walking from Avondale and Walnut Hills toward Burnett Woods with their fishing rods.  The lake is somewhat popular for this reason.  But close to zero college students fish. 

 

Here is a True Burnett Woods Story:

-I was was working at an area restaurant whose owner entered into a rivalry with another area restaurant (names withheld).  One day we discovered a ton of pet mice in and around our dumpster and there was a call to the city inspector - so the rival had actually dumped mice off and tried to get us shut down.  I went out to the dumpster with a manager and lured the mice into a box with some sliced meat and cheese.  The mice took the bait and we drove them to Burnett Woods.  We dumped them off at approximately this spot:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1364552,-84.5137773,3a,75y,299.77h,82.6t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPGGVPF73Etu5dLc7BRzrcg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D7.39654136934044%26panoid%3DPGGVPF73Etu5dLc7BRzrcg%26yaw%3D299.76806143173184!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMxOS4yIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

 

 

 

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1364552,-84.5137773,3a,75y,299.77h,82.6t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPGGVPF73Etu5dLc7BRzrcg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D7.39654136934044%26panoid%3DPGGVPF73Etu5dLc7BRzrcg%26yaw%3D299.76806143173184!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMxOS4yIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Those mices probably took a short cut thru the neighborhood straight to the EPA and have infested the entire brutalish campus. see attached link. 

15 hours ago, Lazarus said:

 

No, it's not.  The structured athletic fields get a ton of use by various student groups.  The unstructured spaces like Sigma Sigma Commons don't.  And meanwhile, Burnett Woods sits directly across the street and sees almost no use.  It's really the most under-used city park I can think of, anywhere in the country, that is right in the middle of a dense area.  That's because other than the frisbee golf course, the place has no structured uses.  I wouldn't be surprised if a high percentage of UC graduates fail to set foot in Burnett Woods even once each year.  Which would mean Burnett Woods gets about the same usage by UC students as the EPA grass buffer. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ohio State has five or six full size soccer pitches dedicated to just student sports like intramurals. Miami also has plenty of open green space for students. Hell, even Georgia Tech (which is one of the better 1 to 1 comparisons to UC) has a little more space for students to do club sports and activities. Don't believe me that this is a problem? I've heard directly from people at UC's enrollment management and campus tour people who bring this up as a constant question from potential students. But when I bring up this fact I get downvoted on this forum. I get it that some of you went to UC and are proud of it as you should be, it's a great school I work there as does my wife, but it has some severe setbacks when compared to other large R1 institutions. 

 

The athletics facilities being open for general students is probably going to gradually go away too as the university gets more serious about Big XII sports. Letting students on to the Nippert field is definitely going away in the not too distant future as students really wear out the turf. Same with Gettler Stadium. These are things I've heard from people who work in athletics.

 

Now I don't want the EPA to shut down. I'm a progressive and what's happening to the federal government is criminal and losing all those jobs is terrible for our economy. But if we're doing fanfic where UC gets the EPA site, it would be a great place to either relocate some of the athletics fields or to build some more sports fields for students since, as I've said before, this is a problem for the campus that gets brought up by potential incoming students. 

Does anyone know whether the new sports complex will be used for indoor track and field?

2 minutes ago, RJohnson said:

Does anyone know whether the new sports complex will be used for indoor track and field?

Good question... I don't know... but I don't recall ever seeing a track in any of the renderings. I suspect the site is too constrained to be able to fit a football field AND an indoor track. But I'd love to be wrong on this, if they somehow found a way to fit both. 

1 hour ago, jwulsin said:

Good question... I don't know... but I don't recall ever seeing a track in any of the renderings. I suspect the site is too constrained to be able to fit a football field AND an indoor track. But I'd love to be wrong on this, if they somehow found a way to fit both. 

Indoor tracks are removable and seasonable. I was watching the NCAA indoor championships and noticed the building was a complex like UC is building. Indoor tracks have NASCAR-style curves, and it takes two laps to make a quarter mile, I believe. Here is a video of an indoor track. This one has bleachers on one side but not on the other

 

 

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1 hour ago, RJohnson said:

Does anyone know whether the new sports complex will be used for indoor track and field?

Indoor track at UC has been moved to the Armory Fieldhouse last year.Renovation videos are out there.Finished product actually looks pretty good.

 

https://gobearcats.com/facilities/armory-fieldhouse/1010

Edited March 25Mar 25 by ucnum1

1 hour ago, RJohnson said:

Does anyone know whether the new sports complex will be used for indoor track and field?

It will not. They are still using the armory, which recently received a facelift and new track.

3 hours ago, GCrites said:

 

I never went into Burnet Woods despite being 4 blocks away.

 

I mountain biked the park's trails on the first day I got clipless shoes and pedals for my mountain bike.  At one point I took the trail from the MLK side that opens up directly onto the very narrow concrete walk on the east side of the lake:

 

...a lot of people were sitting on folding chairs that they had brought to fish and being new to a clipless system completely different than my road bike's system I almost stalled out and fell into the lake while passing one fishing group.  Of course, being semi-permanently attached to it, the bike would have come into the lake with me.   That was the day when I would have figured out how deep the lake is.  Instead, it remains a mystery. 

 

1 hour ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

 

Ohio State has five or six full size soccer pitches dedicated to just student sports like intramurals. Miami also has plenty of open green space for students. Hell, even Georgia Tech (which is one of the better 1 to 1 comparisons to UC) has a little more space for students to do club sports and activities. Don't believe me that this is a problem? I've heard directly from people at UC's enrollment management and campus tour people who bring this up as a constant question from potential students. But when I bring up this fact I get downvoted on this forum.

 

Well it's not as if there isn't plenty of space already where Sigma Sigma Commons sits unused other than the occasional hammock or Burnett Woods' unused 1,500-foot green lawn along MLK.  Around 2015 or 2017 a flying trapeze set up at the corner of MLK and Clifton.  Earlier than that, around 2008-2010, a troupe of about 30-50 people used to do Medieval sword fighting every Sunday on the Burnett Woods lawn across MLK from the library. 

 

 

As far as I can tell new renderings of the new  1200 bed 3 dorm buildings.

Personally, I really like these. Here's hoping we can get a streetcar extension on Calhoun to help serve these buildings.

16 minutes ago, ucnum1 said:

As far as I can tell new renderings of the new  1200 bed 3 dorm buildings.

 

 

 

 

Construction is progressing pretty quickly because they were able to haul the dirt out at the McMillan St. level and are now able to drive construction vehicles and materials directly into the future basement from that same point.  It's saving them a ton of time and money.  For those with long memories, the original U Square was supposed to be built above a very large underground parking garage.  That would have been more expensive to build since it would have required ramps or lifting everything in and out with a crane.  

 

 

19 minutes ago, ucnum1 said:

As far as I can tell new renderings of the new  1200 bed 3 dorm buildings.

i count four unless they axed the one on the far right.

Just now, RJohnson said:

i count four unless they axed the one on the far right.

 

That one isn't under construction yet. 

All these building are interconnected. I also think a new rec center space and UC police substation are going in the shorter squatier building.

Vertical construction is well underway. It looks like they are currently pouring the floor to the second "underground" level on the west side of the site. Here's a few photos from a couple weeks ago (March 12). Unfortunately, there aren't many good places to stand to get good photos of the entire site.

 

I was unfamiliar with WRA but looking at their dormitory work on other campuses, these could be some handsome buildings if similar high quality materials are used.

2 hours ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

I was unfamiliar with WRA but looking at their dormitory work on other campuses, these could be some handsome buildings if similar high quality materials are used.

Great suggestion, they really do nice work. Then again, the university really hasn't developed a poorly detailed building in decades. We really shouldn't be surprised if these turn out. Very nice

18 hours ago, CincyIntheKnow said:

Great suggestion, they really do nice work. Then again, the university really hasn't developed a poorly detailed building in decades. We really shouldn't be surprised if these turn out. Very nice

The completely re-clad DAAP Aronoff would like to have a word

10 minutes ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

The completely re-clad DAAP Aronoff would like to have a word

Lipstick on a pig

39 minutes ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

The completely re-clad DAAP Aronoff would like to have a word

Wasn’t that decades ago tho? Or have they re clad again?