Posted May 18, 200718 yr Golf course finds new life BY LAURA BAVERMAN | CINCINNATI BUSINESS COURIER May 18, 2007 GREEN TWP. - Atop a hillside overlooking the bedroom community of Mack in Green Township, Towne Properties is planning its next residential community, with a price tag north of $80 million. Click on link for article.
May 18, 200718 yr Sounds cool, but two concerns would have to be traffic on the many two lane roads in that area (Rybolt, Taylor, Wesselman) and I could do without the condos all together. They are already saturated up and down Harrison Ave. On a traffic side note, Rybolt is going to be getting some heavy attention within the next few years in several different areas.
May 18, 200718 yr Well, that kind of is crappy. Yay for new tax revenue, boo for developing the hell out of everything. I guess this project may force the developer to pay for improvements at Rybolt / Wesselman, which has its own specific issues.
May 18, 200718 yr I'm not a big fan of these types of projects, but I guess I would rather have the growth it inside of Hamilton County then out in Butler or Warren. I like the condos (actually gives the project some density) and offers a mix of individuals for the project. As for traffic...I just don't know. :wtf: Rybolt is beyond capacity and Wesselman is darn close. I don't think adding lanes would be the answer, because traffic flow is fine except at the intersections (Rybolt&Wesselman, Rybolt&Taylor, Rybolt&Harrison). What we be the best and cheapest option would be to: Rybolt and Wesselman: -add left turn lanes in all directions -make appropriate traffic light improvements Rybolt and Taylor: -Make a traffic light during evening rush hour times -have it blink yellow for Taylor - Red for Rybolt during non evening rush hour times Rybolt and Harrison: -??? -we'll see what they end up doing with the current project
May 18, 200718 yr Rybolt and Wesselman: -add left turn lanes in all directions -make appropriate traffic light improvements Rybolt and Taylor: -Make a traffic light during evening rush hour times -have it blink yellow for Taylor - Red for Rybolt during non evening rush hour times Rybolt and Harrison: -??? -we'll see what they end up doing with the current project Rybolt and Wesselman: Those improvements are in the pipeline, last time I heard. There are major issues to overcome, specifically the creek and hill, the latter of which causes extreme sight distance issues. There will also have to be some major retention built to keep the hill from sliding into the intersection. Hamilton County is notorious for slides, and keeping them from happening is not cheap. Rybolt and Taylor: Warrants would have to be satisfied for a signal installation. Except in extraordinary cases (see Cincinnati Financial Signal on Gilmore), signals are not built for just peak periods. Rybolt and Harrison: It'll be fine, but then I worked a bit on the project, so my viewpoint is skewed.
May 26, 200718 yr My apologies if some of this is redundant. This was posted on my blog, which didn't have the benefit of including the story that leads off this thread. Green Twp: The Club at Hillview Building Cincinnati, 5/25/07 Site plan (east at top) An article in the May 18, 2007 Cincinnati Business Courier revealed plans for a massive Towne Properties project in Green Township. I recently ran across the site plan (above), so I thought I'd share. The $80 million project, tentatively called The Club at Hillview, will be built upon the soon-to-close Hillview Golf Course, just off of Wesselman Road. Towne plans for 293 housing units, including condos, patio homes, and attached and unattached single-family homes. Units will be priced between $150,000 and $500,000. County commissioners have yet to vote on the project. If it is approved, the first units could be ready by fall 2008. WINDOWS LIVE BIRD'S EYE VIEW GOOGLE AERIAL MAP http://buildingcincinnati.blogspot.com/2007/05/green-twp-club-at-hillview.html
May 27, 200718 yr I don't understand how that access point to the east works. That is not even a real road right now. It's just some podunk road that leads to a couple of stables. I guess there must be some kind of plans to acquire those properties for access or what not. It also looks like they're planning to maintain the current lakes from the golf course in the development.
May 28, 200718 yr If you look at a google earth image of the area you'll see due east of Hillview Westin Ridge Dr. It currently ends without a cul-de-sac, which implies that developers intend on expanding that subdivision somewhere in the future. Perhaps it connects to that, as it may connect to Staas or Hearne but th Staas connection doesn't make too much sense and that road doesn't line up with Hearne.
May 28, 200718 yr ^I saw that, but for some reason I doubt it. I live on Westin Ridge...lol!!! What happened with that is that the back portion of the neighborhood was supposed to be a loop (like the front portion). However, land acquisition during the second phase became more difficult and the developer backed on that portion, leaving it the way it is now. I personally would think it would be great to connect the two neighborhoods, and actually create some kind of network. With that said, I am always hesitant with all the NIMBYs out there. I think its just a coincidence that Westin Ridge ends like that and this plan includes a connection in that direction. Wesselman Woods Estates has been complete with both phases for over 10 years now.
June 1, 200718 yr As for traffic...I just don't know. :wtf: Rybolt is beyond capacity and Wesselman is darn close. I don't think adding lanes would be the answer, because traffic flow is fine except at the intersections (Rybolt&Wesselman, Rybolt&Taylor, Rybolt&Harrison). What we be the best and cheapest option would be to: Rybolt and Wesselman: -add left turn lanes in all directions -make appropriate traffic light improvements Rybolt and Taylor: -Make a traffic light during evening rush hour times -have it blink yellow for Taylor - Red for Rybolt during non evening rush hour times Rybolt and Harrison: -??? -we'll see what they end up doing with the current project Rybolt between Harrison and Wesselman needs at least two lanes going each way. The only other option is to develop light rail from Rybolt to downtown. I would walk to a light rail station to avoid the traffic here. I will ever ride a bus---I have seen how those drivers drive.
June 1, 200718 yr Rybolt between Harrison and Wesselman needs at least two lanes going each way. The only other option is to develop light rail from Rybolt to downtown. I would walk to a light rail station to avoid the traffic here. I will ever ride a bus---I have seen how those drivers drive. Is this a joke? I don't think that the county will ever build a light rail system that runs along I-74. They can't even build a jail. There is no demand for this light rail system. Seriously, traffic is a problem and there is no easy solution. Given the terrain, Rybolt would be almost impossible to widen all the way from Taylor to Harrison. It will be interesting to see how the new turn lanes will work out.
June 1, 200718 yr Rybolt between Harrison and Wesselman needs at least two lanes going each way. The only other option is to develop light rail from Rybolt to downtown. I would walk to a light rail station to avoid the traffic here. I will ever ride a bus---I have seen how those drivers drive. Is this a joke? I don't think that the county will ever build a light rail system that runs along I-74. They can't even build a jail. There is no demand for this light rail system. Seriously, traffic is a problem and there is no easy solution. Given the terrain, Rybolt would be almost impossible to widen all the way from Taylor to Harrison. It will be interesting to see how the new turn lanes will work out. Have you seen how they dig into the hills here to build everything else??? Terrain is NOT an issue.
June 2, 200718 yr Rybolt between Harrison and Wesselman needs at least two lanes going each way. The only other option is to develop light rail from Rybolt to downtown. I would walk to a light rail station to avoid the traffic here. I will ever ride a bus---I have seen how those drivers drive. Is this a joke? I don't think that the county will ever build a light rail system that runs along I-74. They can't even build a jail. There is no demand for this light rail system. Seriously, traffic is a problem and there is no easy solution. Given the terrain, Rybolt would be almost impossible to widen all the way from Taylor to Harrison. It will be interesting to see how the new turn lanes will work out. Its funny because 74 is not congested at all.. Driving on 74 is a much different experience than 71 and certainly different than 75. That highway would be a waste of space if it didn't connect to Indianapolis. The areas around 74 are not built up at all and there's no demand for a light rail; if there ever is a lightrail, that area definitely shouldn't get precedence.
June 2, 200718 yr Rybolt between Harrison and Wesselman needs at least two lanes going each way. The only other option is to develop light rail from Rybolt to downtown. I would walk to a light rail station to avoid the traffic here. I will ever ride a bus---I have seen how those drivers drive. Is this a joke? I don't think that the county will ever build a light rail system that runs along I-74. They can't even build a jail. There is no demand for this light rail system. Seriously, traffic is a problem and there is no easy solution. Given the terrain, Rybolt would be almost impossible to widen all the way from Taylor to Harrison. It will be interesting to see how the new turn lanes will work out. Have you seen how they dig into the hills here to build everything else??? Terrain is NOT an issue. Anything can be done but it's quite costly.
June 2, 200718 yr Its funny because 74 is not congested at all.. Driving on 74 is a much different experience than 71 and certainly different than 75. While it's true that 74 is very different than 75, 74 does get backed up at times. My mom lives off of Rybolt Road. My husband and I lived with her for about three weeks after we sold our house before we had a condo to move into. I74 East did get congested in the mornings. It can get backed up for several miles.
June 3, 200718 yr Have you seen how they dig into the hills here to build everything else??? Terrain is NOT an issue. Terrain is an issue. For a county road, making large cuts and fills for a widening project is not a cheap project. It is rather likely that widening Rybolt to Wesselman is not a near term solution, at least not if funding can't be found. The truth is that Rybolt has safety issues, and right now things like left and right turn lanes would be a better capacity improvement than widening to 4 lanes. There is a fine line to walk between what is really needed and what is wanted by residents, and widening to four lanes between old Rybolt and Wesselman is not something that is needed. As for I-74, drive Eastbound on Tuesday through Thursday on the road and you'll be lucky if 74 is not backed up to North Bend. 74 has some wonderful capacity issues at the 74/75 interchange in the morning, but that requires more a total reconfiguration rather than a widening.
June 3, 200718 yr Its funny because 74 is not congested at all.. Driving on 74 is a much different experience than 71 and certainly different than 75. That highway would be a waste of space if it didn't connect to Indianapolis. The areas around 74 are not built up at all and there's no demand for a light rail; if there ever is a lightrail, that area definitely shouldn't get precedence. You must not know that part of the westside very well to say that its not built up. Sure when you get past the Harrison/Rybolt exit it becomes rural of sorts. But I would definitely consider Northside, White Oak, portions of Green Twp to be very much built up. Now with that said...I don't know whether or not light rail would be successful along that corridor. It does get backed up, but the importance should definitely be placed on I-75. Have you seen how they dig into the hills here to build everything else??? Terrain is NOT an issue. This is funny...because I believe that Legacy Place actually plans to bury/relocate a creek. There seems to be absolutely ZERO concern for the natural environment in this area.
July 20, 200717 yr The Club at Hillview wins county approval Building Cincinnati, 7/13/07 The Board of County Commissioners unanimously approved a rezoning for an $80 million housing project in Green Township. Towne Properties will build The Club at Hillview on the site of the Hillview Golf Course, just off of Wesselman Road. The 293 housing units will include condominiums, patio homes, and attached and unattached single-family homes. The rezoning allows for the attached multi-tenant buildings. Units will be priced between $150,000 and $500,000. The first units could be ready by fall 2008. For aerials and a site plan: Building Cincinnati: Green Twp: The Club at Hillview (5/25/07) http://buildingcincinnati.blogspot.com/2007/07/club-at-hillview-wins-county-approval.html
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