Just wondering what the thinking is on this site. I found this question on another site:

 

"What if Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome had been black?

If they had been black and the perpetrators been white, how quick do you think every black organization in the world would have bombarded the streets of Knoxville protesting and shouting about how the couple was tortured because they were black, but because they were white it's all just been swept quietly under the rug, had it been the other way around we would still be hearing about it on the news today"

 

 

For those who do not know of this horrible hate crime, I'll brief you. Both victims (Channon and Christopher) were white. They were carjacked and kidnapped by 4 Black males and 1 black female. Both were tortured, both were raped, both were forced to witness the other get raped. The Penis of Christopher was cut off, the breasts of Channon were cut off. Household cleaners were poured down the victims throats in order to hide any DNA evidence. Both were murdered. That is the gist of the crime. You can google this for more info. if desired.

 

So, why does saying "nappy headed ho" attracted soooooo much national media attention yet when 5 blacks carjack, kidnap, rape, torture, mudilate, and murder 2 whites, the media pays little/no attention.--- even in Tennessee where this happened.

First, that is a terrible crime and I am semi-shocked it hasn't been a national news event. I say semi becuase things like that happen to Black, hispanic, Asian and ever race/culture/religion or sexual orientation there is all the time and flies under the radar. By no way shape or form is every atrocity against blacks or other races reported everytime one occurs. I think the stories that grab the attention of Camera Hogging Black "Leaders" like Al Sharpton or to a lesser extent Jessie Jackson are the ones that become media events for a few weeks.

^Bingo.  For every "nappy headed ho's" or "black racism" story that comes out, there are thousands more per day.  Of course, there are "reverse racism" stories that come out per day as well but this shouldn't be about blaming the media for "black fairness."  That's just moronic.

Well, I wont say I disagree with you because it may be possible I didn't hear of anything like this happening to any one else. Not to be sarcastic, but rather on the serious side, can you provide an example in the recent months/years where a white person(s) inflicted this type of horror on a non-white and it did not gather national attention. I knew about this incodent for several weeks--- only due to an email, not due to any media outlet.

 

Also, I am fully aware that every atrocity is not reported. But, lets just look at the recent name callings by Imus and Kramer. Wrong??? Yes.. But, it was just words. National attention in every media outlet for weeks?? Yes.. Here, we are talking of carjacking, kidnapping, rape, torture, mutilation, murder, and attempted cover-up. Dare I say that is worse? Well, to tell you the truth, there is no comparison. What happened here is heinous. Yet the media fails to mention it. HMMMM.

 

Also, what exactly is "black fairness"?

Like I said the stories that get the attention of the "leaders" that are on every talk show talking about the story are the ones that get the most publicity. Add to that the fact that Don Imus is on a nationally broadcast talk show and is a high profile shock jock and there you go.

 

Between now and this time last year I can count on one hand the number of "media event" type hate/racist stories in the media including the Mel Gibson incident, the Micahael Richard incident, The shooting by police in New York City on a black man's wedding day and of course the Don Imus issue.

 

Without showing examples its clear that there has had to have been more than four incidents of hate crimes. There are thousands unreported/sensationalized.

 

Here's one that wasn't given national media attention: Two or three girls studying at their OSU dorn told a white student to turn his music down, this escalated into a heated argument and later the boy and his friends wrote the N word all over the girls' dorm room door. While no rape/murder/torture it is a hate issue that wasn't all over CNN. This happened winter quarter of this year.

 

 

 

Not to be sarcastic, but rather on the serious side, can you provide an example in the recent months/years where a white person(s) inflicted this type of horror on a non-white and it did not gather national attention.

 

This sickening crime happened here in Ft. Lauderdale in ’96. The story never made the national news. I will spare those that don’t care to know the details. Here is the link only if you are interested:

 

http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/flsupct/sc00-863/op-sc00-863.pdf

Simple, we have "infotainment" with little info, not news. God Bless America! Support the Troops! We're #1!

OK. Thanks. But, if the OSU you speak of is Ohio State University, it did, or something very similar, made the news. The news media even went to the extent of showing the racist letter. To tell you the truth, I don't see how you can compare a letter to carjacking, kidnapping, rape, torture, mutilation, and murder. I am going to compare this so something else because my question/point may not be coming across. In the recent past, I remember a few horrible storys to make the national news. 1 was the black man that was dragged to his death behind a pick up truck by white men. Another was the gay college student that was beaten and murdered. Of course there are more. Wrong? Yes. Hate crimes? Yes. Newsworthy? Yes. Why isn't this incident even mentioned in the media?

 

I am not asking why if a white person is called a "honkey" the media doesn't come running. I am asking this: If it is newsworthy when a white calls blacks a name, why is it not newsworthy, even in the State, when whites are carjacked, kidnapped, tortured, raped, mutilated, and murdered by blacks? I will say this. If a white(s) person did this to black(s), I myself think it would be newsworthy. Actually, the color of the criminal nor the victim mean anything to me. This is just an unbelievable story. Why was it not covered? Now, if you think this is just a trivial story and has no substance, then fine. Maybe its more important to some to see the hat collection Queen Elizabeth brought to the U.S. Fine, that's your opinion. I am only asking why this horrible story was not covered by the media. What's your opinion on why they did not cover this?

 

 

Florida Guy, I can't open PDF. I would love to read your story.

 

Columbusite just may have the answer with "infotainment"

 

http://www.menstuff.org/issues/byissue/crimehate2.html

 

http://www.newnation.org/Archives/Black-on-White-051109.html

 

 

Here are 2 opposing sites. One is of whites who commit crimes against non whites/ the other the reverse. I'm not sure if I heard of any of these crimes, and they're all bad. Columbusite may have the answer. KTM,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,OUT!

 

 

Of course, to consider this a hate crime, we're assuming that these killers did what they did because they were black and their victims were white, which in its own special way is playing a pretty toxic race card.

 

Judging by the sadistic extreme of the crime, I'd say the killers being sick motherfu©ker$ might've been the main motivating factor. After all, there's a reason serial killers aren't lumped into the hate crime club. It's all about motive. The motive for some crimes go way, way beyond race, gender or orienation, and this looks like one of them. In all of my 2 minutes checking the Wiki page, I don't see race being brought forth as a motive in the Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome murder.

 

Perhaps I missed something.

 

By the way, newnation.com appears to be a white power site, and as such, a hair less reputable than Wiki. Just sayin'.

OK. Thanks. But, if the OSU you speak of is Ohio State University, it did, or something very similar, made the news. The news media even went to the extent of showing the racist letter. To tell you the truth, I don't see how you can compare a letter to carjacking, kidnapping, rape, torture, mutilation, and murder. I am going to compare this so something else because my question/point may not be coming across. In the recent past, I remember a few horrible storys to make the national news. 1 was the black man that was dragged to his death behind a pick up truck by white men. Another was the gay college student that was beaten and murdered. Of course there are more. Wrong? Yes. Hate crimes? Yes. Newsworthy? Yes. Why isn't this incident even mentioned in the media?

 

I am not asking why if a white person is called a "honkey" the media doesn't come running. I am asking this: If it is newsworthy when a white calls blacks a name, why is it not newsworthy, even in the State, when whites are carjacked, kidnapped, tortured, raped, mutilated, and murdered by blacks? I will say this. If a white(s) person did this to black(s), I myself think it would be newsworthy. Actually, the color of the criminal nor the victim mean anything to me. This is just an unbelievable story. Why was it not covered? Now, if you think this is just a trivial story and has no substance, then fine. Maybe its more important to some to see the hat collection Queen Elizabeth brought to the U.S. Fine, that's your opinion. I am only asking why this horrible story was not covered by the media. What's your opinion on why they did not cover this?

 

 

Florida Guy, I can't open PDF. I would love to read your story.

 

 

I never said they were comparable infact I wrote "While no rape/murder/torture it is a hate issue that wasn't all over CNN." Meaning it was a race issue that wasn't what I call a media event.

 

 

As to why its newsworthy if whites call blacks racist names, it might have something to do with the history of blacks in this country and how they were brought over here as slaves and mistreated, even after they were free. How things were segregated up until 50 some odd years ago and blacks were still mistreated, plus how some (Bill O'Reilly) try to act as if racism is a thing of the past and doesn't exist anymore. Basically the history of Blacks discriminating whites isn't the same as whites discriminating blacks.

 

i only know from what you said, but from that how do you know this was a race/hate crime? i don't get that part.

 

i didnt clik on the links, were they all caught? otherwise, what i do get is that it sounds like knoxville has some serial killers on the loose. i feel for the cops and community as this crew will surely do this kind of thing again until they are caught. makes you wonder about the killers family history too, that kind of behavior does not come out of the clear blue sky.

 

ps - cdawg you cant tie iraq to this. there is a war going on in iraq, not in knoxville. if you cant, you might want to rethink what "war" means.

Here is another link, it does not go into horrific details like the pdf. All though probably not a hate crime, it does fit the criteria for your example:

 

http://www.prisonpotpourri.com/INFOandNEWS%20/Sun-Sentinel%20Broward%20County%20news.courtthrowsoutdeathsentences.ault.html

I know I said I'm "OUT". Oops.... I am satisfies with FloridaGuys answer so I just want to clarify:       1st) I couldn't open the PDF FloridaGuy has in his first post on this thread. So, I tried to look up the incident myself on a search engine given the information he provided. Those two sites, along with many more came up. I have never seen either before in my life. I am not saying either is valid, just opposing and they do relate to the question I asked.      2nd) In the case at hand, I never accused the 4 black men and 1 black woman of a sole racial motive. I have no idea why they did what they did. I would not throw that word around as easily as it is today. E.g.-- whenever a white police is involved in a shooting with a black male, the word racism is thrown out during the first television interviews--- usually by a "community leader." How people come up with that accusation so fast is beyond me. That's just an example. I'm not trying to start a new discussion. Just saying I'm not doing that.      3) Yes, the 5 were caught. A 5th male was accused of aiding/abetting as well. The body of Christopher was found in a field, the body of Channon was found in the house of 2 of the accused. The trial is set to begin in 2008.

...2nd) In the case at hand, I never accused the 4 black men and 1 black woman of a sole racial motive. I have no idea why they did what they did. I would not throw that word around as easily as it is today...

 

Use of the term "Hate Crime" in the topic title might imply the crime was racially motived.

 

Regardless, if all the evidence and testimony holds true, this was a horrible, horrible crime.

Like I said, this question was posted on another site. Maybe I should have used quotations around the title as well. Live and learn.

I say semi becuase things like that happen to Black, hispanic, Asian and ever race/culture/religion or sexual orientation there is all the time and flies under the radar. 

 

Wow, that's really quite a statement, if you think about it.  You're saying there is a CONSTANT stream of mutilation rape/murders happening in this country based on race/culture/religion.  Such a claim really requires substantiation.

 

 

Regardless of race, a murder/torture/rape this horrible deserves national media attention.

 

Does it really?  What makes it news beyond our lurid fascination with sex and violence, and violent sex?  Does it tell us something important we should know about ourselves as a society?  Something, of course, that we didn't learn from all the other horrible murders which clog up our airwaves?  "If it bleeds it leads" is about the marketing of the news, not what makes news substantial and relevent.

I say semi becuase things like that happen to Black, hispanic, Asian and ever race/culture/religion or sexual orientation there is all the time and flies under the radar. 

 

Wow, that's really quite a statement, if you think about it.  You're saying there is a CONSTANT stream of mutilation rape/murders happening in this country based on race/culture/religion.  Such a claim really requires substantiation.

 

 

 

 

 

No it doesn't, unless you truly believe every crime based on race/religion/culture or orientation is reported everytime a crime like that occurs.

Every crime, no.  Hideous murders/rapes/mutilations, I doubt the media passes those stories up too often.  Too easy, too profitable a story- that's the reason that "if it bleeds, it leads".  So yes, I'd say that it requires some substantiation.