8 minutes ago, Pdrome513 said:

Because the Bengals have what amounts to veto power over development on 70% of the remaining acreage and this offers the team a process for structured input; and because the next time the city/county go to the feds for money on FWW highway caps, they want to have a grand development thesis that would compel a funding award, including proof of city/county/reds/bengals collaboration and a social equity component with gobs of feedback and buy-in and community blah blah.
 

It’s important to remember just how bad things were between the city and the county a few years ago. Had they patched up things by the 2022 application for the FWW caps that was denied the following year? Unclear. But the toxic legacy of that fight, which played out in public, is likely the sort thing that takes a $500,000 report to clean up, once and for all, in the eyes of developers and federal grant writers. 

But you’re missing the point, that would make sense but you can’t still be planning Freedom Park and you can’t bid out lot 24 until Perkins is done. Or like I said it’s silly to spend the money on Perkins if your going to go ahead with lot 24, freedom park and the 180 Walnut site separately.

Edited April 21Apr 21 by 646empire

17 minutes ago, 646empire said:

But you’re missing the point, that would make sense but you can’t still be planning Freedom Park and you can’t bid out lot 24 until Perkins is done. Or like I said it’s silly to spend the money on Perkins if your going to go ahead with lot 24, freedom park and the 180 Walnut site separately.

I agree it doesn’t make sense if you assume the design review’s substance is what matters for Lot 24. I’m assuming it matters more for that lot as a symbol. The very timeline of the Lot 24 RFQ indicates it’s more important to interested developers that the design review exists than what it contains, in the sense that it de-risks the city/county component by offering good faith evidence of their collaboration. Everyone already knows what kind of project will be built on Lot 24 anyways. 
 

 

Edited April 21Apr 21 by Pdrome513

40 minutes ago, Pdrome513 said:

The very timeline of the Lot 24 RFQ indicates it’s more important to interested developers that the design review exists than what it contains, in the sense that it de-risks the city/county component by offering good faith evidence of their collaboration.

If this is the case then under the surface the Perkins hire is more symbolic than anything. It’s simply going to produce a flashy concept for a future press conference but not actually be much guidance to anything constructed as that will be left up to the developers and financing 

partners. lol what a world. 

 

40 minutes ago, Pdrome513 said:

Everyone already knows what kind of project will be built on Lot 24 anyways. 

 

Yupp something I’ve sorta been hinting at, I’ve heard for about a year that lot 24 is going to be another mega block structure similar to the others down there. If that’s the case it’s not a ton of reimagining for Perkins to do as The Banks will be pretty much fully baked in regards to general look and feel/layout  lol.

Edited April 21Apr 21 by 646empire

I appreciate your enthusiasm. I won't forgive the person who wanted to silence my voice, but just look what happened. People are talking about the design, the half million dollars, and developing what could be a nice addition to the city, The Banks. Didn't the county give someone a million dollars to find a builder for the new convention center hotel? We got nothing. think I've heard this before, "just throwing money at a problem doesn't fix it".

There is still an opportunity to reposition The Banks as what it was originally promised to be, a true mixed use neighborhood that feels like an organic expansion of the CBD. Perhaps we would have had a better chance of getting federal funding for the FWW caps if it was an actual neighborhood a not just a game day party destination.

 

I am constantly surprised that the CBD continues to get new apartment projects but almost no new condos. The Banks seems like it would be a great location for a luxury condo tower with view of Smale Riverfront Park and the Roebling Bridge — whether that would be best on Lot 24, the 180 Walnut undeveloped lot, or replacing the Coliseum once a new arena opens.

1 hour ago, taestell said:

I am constantly surprised that the CBD continues to get new apartment projects but almost no new condos. The Banks seems like it would be a great location for a luxury condo tower with view of Smale Riverfront Park and the Roebling Bridge — whether that would be best on Lot 24, the 180 Walnut undeveloped lot, or replacing the Coliseum once a new arena opens.

 

Agreed. Downtown/OTR needs more condos and the riverfront would be a logical location for condo towers.

Not sure how much demand there's going to be for high priced condos at the banks.  You're paying a lot of money to have to deal with Bengals and Reds crowds plus just the regular drunk weekenders.  Apartments seem to fit much better there imo.  The arena spot make much more sense for condos as it's more out of the action and quieter. 

IMO, The Banks doesn't look like a continuation of CBD. It looks like a place to attend sporting events, concerts and drink your first beer. In the first proposals, there were mini-central trust towers that harkened back to Old Cincy. It looked like a neighborhood. When the Current went up, I don't think anybody imagined a 2x4 structure being built. It looked cheap, typical, and uninspiring. That trend continued. When the city put a Ferris wheel on the grounds of the Underground Railroad Museum, it was a slap in the face to the Museum and its sacredness. People were enslaved for three hundred years so that the power brokers could amass wealth and build something called the Banks.

The Greeks got it right. Build a frieze for the poor, a shaft to impress, and a capital for the rich. Then create agora-rythms to keep everyone in place.

43 minutes ago, Cincy513 said:

Not sure how much demand there's going to be for high priced condos at the banks.  You're paying a lot of money to have to deal with Bengals and Reds crowds plus just the regular drunk weekenders.  Apartments seem to fit much better there imo.  The arena spot make much more sense for condos as it's more out of the action and quieter. 

and with a view into GABP. 

22 hours ago, 646empire said:

 The “Freedom Park” concept is perfect in creating a flashy merge/central focal point for the entire development

 

There already is a focal point that is a park.  Nobody did anything in that lawn when it was just a lawn.  Now it's just a lawn with two typical Camden Yards restaurants and sign where people take selfies even though nobody knows what the sign means.   Back in the 80s and 90s we had bars and restaurants in actual old industrial buildings in that area.  Caddy's, The Hurricane Surf Club, The Olde Spaghetti Factory, etc.  Now we have two cheap-looking restaurants that try to look like they're redeveloped old buildings.  

 

 

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t would be hot mess foolishness to try to sandwich a building at that location between 2 restaurant buildings

 

 

Yeah tear them down and put up a nice hotel. 

 

 

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 Remember the freedom center was literally designed with the view of the river/bridge in mind.

 

It was literally designed like a bootleg Getty Center.  Except tourists actually visit the Getty Center. 

 

 

21 hours ago, Cincy513 said:

Not sure how much demand there's going to be for high priced condos at the banks.  You're paying a lot of money to have to deal with Bengals and Reds crowds plus just the regular drunk weekenders.  Apartments seem to fit much better there imo.  The arena spot make much more sense for condos as it's more out of the action and quieter. 

 

People like living where the action is. For example, there are huge condo towers right next to PetCo Park in San Diego. If there was a 20-storey condo tower next to Paycor, I'd wager it would be very popular, and if there was an urban Target on the ground floor, it would probably be even more popular. The CBD and downtown don't have enough businesses like that.

 

14 hours ago, Lazarus said:

here already is a focal point that is a park.  Nobody did anything in that lawn when it was just a lawn.  Now it's just a lawn with two typical Camden Yards restaurants and sign where people take selfies even though nobody knows what the sign means.   Back in the 80s and 90s we had bars and restaurants in actual old industrial buildings in that area.  Caddy's, The Hurricane Surf Club, The Olde Spaghetti Factory, etc.  Now we have two cheap-looking restaurants that try to look like they're redeveloped old buildings.  

 

I want to say that I can't believe you're waxing nostalgic over the old riverfront but I'm honestly not surprised. There's nothing wrong with the restaurants we have and the lawn is fine. As mentioned before, it's there to protect the view of the bridge from the Freedom Center. 

Also, what's wrong with people taking selfies in front of a sign? What's the point of the bean in Chicago? It's just fun. Let people enjoy things.

 

14 hours ago, Lazarus said:

Yeah tear them down and put up a nice hotel. 

 

Again, why get rid of two popular businesses for a hotel just a block from another hotel when there are still undeveloped blocks? Do you just dislike things on purpose?

12 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

Again, why get rid of two popular businesses for a hotel just a block from another hotel when there are still undeveloped blocks? Do you just dislike things on purpose?

That’s why I’m getting better at just not responding to none sense. Also it’s never going to happen.

On 4/22/2025 at 12:10 PM, JaceTheAce41 said:

 

People like living where the action is. For example, there are huge condo towers right next to PetCo Park in San Diego. If there was a 20-storey condo tower next to Paycor,

 

One Lytle Place is about 20 stories tall.  But if there was a market for a forest of 20-floor condo towers, they would already exist.  Mike Brown, evil zoning, or whatever villain is popular at the moment on Twitter isn't to blame. 

 

 

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There's nothing wrong with the restaurants

 

 

This shouldn't be acceptable in the suburbs:

 

Let alone the most valuable block in the City of Cincinnati:

 

 

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1 minute ago, Lazarus said:

 

One Lytle Place is about 20 stories tall.  But if there was a market for a forest of 20-floor condo towers, they would already exist.  Mike Brown, evil zoning, or whatever villain is popular at the moment on Twitter isn't to blame. 

Zoning, building codes, and substantial (and inappropriate) regulatory advantages for single family homes over multi family are ABSOLUTELY to blame for there not being more condo towers, and, by extension, the massive housing crisis that we face as a nation. (Regulatory enforcement of super expensive elevator requirements is also on the list.) We are literally millions of housing units short of what we need. Single family alone can’t meet our housing needs. 

HUGE!

 

The Banks will restrict its Public Plaza area to people 21 and older after 10 p.m. beginning immediately, officials announced Friday. 

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/the-banks-announces-a-new-policy-limiting-access-to-the-public-plaza-area-for-people-21-years-and-older

17 hours ago, Lazarus said:

One Lytle Place is about 20 stories tall.  But if there was a market for a forest of 20-floor condo towers, they would already exist.  Mike Brown, evil zoning, or whatever villain is popular at the moment on Twitter isn't to blame. 

 

One Lytle Place is what, 50 years old now? And it was built when the riverfront was a concrete wasteland. As I pointed out, there have been many successful condo developments near sporting venues around the country and Cincinnati is about 50 years behind on that. They're building condos next to TQL Stadium and the Current at the Banks is always fully rented out. The Bengals being bad neighbors, the city/county partnering with a bad developer, the focus of the Banks as an entertainment destination over a neighborhood, all have contributed to it. 

 

17 hours ago, Lazarus said:

This shouldn't be acceptable in the suburbs:

 

Let alone the most valuable block in the City of Cincinnati:

 

 

Me: There's nothing wrong with the restaurants

You: OH DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN!!! A TRANSFORMER AND SOME KEGS!!! 

 

Seriously though it's a bit, right? You're like Mike Rowe. You play a character and live the gimmick. I repeat, the restaurants are fine. People patronize them, they have a good time and their sales tax goes back into the county's coffers. When I talk to people from out of town who are coming to a Reds or Bengals game, I usually tell them to check out Yard House or Moerline because it's decent food and convenient to the ballpark. Relax.

1 minute ago, 646empire said:

HUGE!

 

The Banks will restrict its Public Plaza area to people 21 and older after 10 p.m. beginning immediately, officials announced Friday. 

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/the-banks-announces-a-new-policy-limiting-access-to-the-public-plaza-area-for-people-21-years-and-older

 

Not a terrible idea, but I don't see how you can enforce that, especially on game days when Reds crowds might be getting out around 10. Also, this has the potential only to be enforced against certain people. I could see the police making a mess of this very quickly.

I doubt they try to enforce it when a Reds or Bengals game is getting over.  But it's very easy to enforce on non gamedays and an hour after a game ends.  

I was talking to someone on Main Street last Friday outside the new Bar 1207. She said her friends were hanging out at The Banks earlier and then came up to go to a few more bars around 12th & Main. It hadn't really occurred to me before, but there is a similarity between The Banks and Main Street right now, it makes sense people would bounce between those two areas. All of that to say, I'm a bit worried that any efforts to crack down on bad behavior at The Banks is just going to shift it to Main Street and Ziegler Park.

The banks is the front door of the city and supposed to be the safe suburban esque tourist area.  If it does have a negative affect on OTR that would suck, but I completely understand making the Banks safe being top priority.  

1 hour ago, Cincy513 said:

I doubt they try to enforce it when a Reds or Bengals game is getting over.  But it's very easy to enforce on non gamedays and an hour after a game ends.  

Exactly.

I believe that P&W and MKSK will be looking at the proforma and financing that make sense for any type of development at the vacant blocks adjacent to the Bengals stadium.  Obviously, the market demand for office, retail,  or housing has not been there to make the numbers work under the current lot restrictions for the past 25 years.   The county study is more than an urban design exercise for those blocks.   I think the scope is to make recommendations on the anticipated market demand and what changes in the current zoning, stadium lease, or other myraid of controls should change.   The irregular shape, floodplain, and surrounding uses at the banks, the stadium, as well as the highways all play a part in the challenges to make the cost-benefit pencil out without major subsidies that the County, Bengals or private developers do not want to shoulder

4 hours ago, GHOST TRACKS said:

I believe that P&W and MKSK will be looking at the proforma and financing that make sense for any type of development at the vacant blocks adjacent to the Bengals stadium.  Obviously, the market demand for office, retail,  or housing has not been there to make the numbers work under the current lot restrictions for the past 25 years.   The county study is more than an urban design exercise for those blocks.   I think the scope is to make recommendations on the anticipated market demand and what changes in the current zoning, stadium lease, or other myraid of controls should change.   The irregular shape, floodplain, and surrounding uses at the banks, the stadium, as well as the highways all play a part in the challenges to make the cost-benefit pencil out without major subsidies that the County, Bengals or private developers do not want to shoulder

i don't think you can solve all the problems before doing the work. No one predicted the great recession, no one predicted tariffs, no one predicted COVID, that basically ended 9 to 5 in CBD, a new recession, or whether a building at the banks would be successful or not. I was told the apartments at the banks were in high demand, and people are lining up to get an apartment. So, I suggested putting a 30-story high-rise on #24. Then you posted this (not that there is any connection between the two), pointing out a labyrinth of obstacles to building anything that would upset the golf cart. 

No one is going to listen to me, but someone build a 20-story high-rise apartment building with a few condos on top, a small variety of restaurants, a newsstand, etc., and build it with some bit of character, and if the prices aren't too outrageous, people will move in. the bengals use the stadium 8 to 10 times a year and hold way to much power IMO. 4 story apartment buildings make the neighborhood look like an afterthought. The Banks was a great idea until it happened, and now it's a reminder that you can't predict the future.

On 4/25/2025 at 12:13 PM, JaceTheAce41 said:

 

Not a terrible idea, but I don't see how you can enforce that, especially on game days when Reds crowds might be getting out around 10. Also, this has the potential only to be enforced against certain people. I could see the police making a mess of this very quickly.

The signs say that minors under 21 still allowed if they are accompanied by a parent, so it doesn't seem like a huge issue for families. This policy seems targeted specifically at groups of unsupervised teenagers, which seems like it should be pretty easy to enforce.

3 hours ago, jwulsin said:

The signs say that minors under 21 still allowed if they are accompanied by a parent, so it doesn't seem like a huge issue for families. This policy seems targeted specifically at groups of unsupervised teenagers, which seems like it should be pretty easy to enforce.

But what about the 17-18 year olds who are more than old enough to go to games without parental supervision? I'm also very worried that cops will enforce this curfew against certain people based on what they look like. It wouldn't be the first time that it's happened.

14 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

But what about the 17-18 year olds who are more than old enough to go to games without parental supervision? I'm also very worried that cops will enforce this curfew against certain people based on what they look like. It wouldn't be the first time that it's happened.

I get where you are coming from but sometimes you need to break a few eggs to make an omelet. There have been repeated problems in the plaza. The plaza is a very small stretch of real estate. The city must protect this area at all costs due to OOT visitors, people from around the region, Reds/Bengals fans, etc. The time window of this enforcement is very small --only Friday and Saturday nights and only after 10pm. The entire area closes at 2am so you are talking about 4 hours a night for two nights a week. A lot of these nights will not have a Reds game because the team is on the road. It simply doesn't impact enough people for me to get outraged about it but the few that it does impact are (allegedly) the ones making trouble in the area.

I would also argue that there is not much in this area that would be (legally) attractive to a 17-18yr old and certainly not after 10pm. Jimmy John's closes at 9pm. There's just no good reason for them to be there other than to potentially cause or get into trouble. Unfortunately as others have surmised above this doesn't really solve anything and more than likely just makes them take their issues elsewhere.

I can see it being a bit of a bummer for the 19-20yr old out with their 21-22yr old friends who are unable to accompany their friends into the DORA plaza. In which case the group likely just goes somewhere else.

Hilltop demolition has started.

It will be so nice to not have to look at that eyesore as you come across BSB. What a crappy sight for so many years for people driving through our city.

4 hours ago, Rabbit Hash said:

It will be so nice to not have to look at that eyesore as you come across BSB. What a crappy sight for so many years for people driving through our city.

Back in the good 'ol days, there were tons of active industries right next to interstate highways. You drove to Chicago or Buffalo or wherever and the smokestacks and industrial structures standing right next to the highway let you know that stuff gets made here. Now you drive to a city, see a bunch of half-empty skyscrapers, and know people "work" from home here.

2 hours ago, Lazarus said:

and know people "work" from home here.

And MTV used to “actually be about music!”

Please tell us more about how you’re so smart from walking uphill both ways in the snow, yet still fooled by Facebook memes.

Edited May 1May 1 by Gordon Bombay

8 hours ago, Gordon Bombay said:

And MTV used to “actually be about music!”

It was about The Nookie. Plus, they can't shoot music videos in old empty factories anymore since they've all been converted to microbreweries.

There's gotta be at least a few Stomp, Clap, Hey videos circa 2012 filmed at microbrewries

2 hours ago, GCrites said:

There's gotta be at least a few Stomp, Clap, Hey videos circa 2012 filmed at microbrewries

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You figure they had little in common with bands known for lots of pyro such as Venom and uh, Nickelback

City of Cincinnati, Hamilton County hit pause on development of Lot 24 at the Banks

A 2018 proposal from Jeffrey R. Anderson Real Estate Inc., Greiwe Development and Pennrose Development for Lot 24 at the Banks in downtown Cincinnati.

Jeffrey R. Anderson Real Estate/Greiwe Development/Pennrose Development/MA Architects

By Brian Planalp – Staff reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier

May 13, 2025

The city of Cincinnati and Hamilton County received two proposals from developers for the largest undeveloped lot at the Banks, but officials have decided to pause consideration of those bids until after an urban design review of the downtown riverfront development is complete.

Indianapolis-based Flaherty & Collins and Dallas-based Lincoln Property Group submitted proposals for Lot 24 through a request for proposals, or RFP, according to Phil Beck, project executive at the Banks Public Partnership and a member of the review committee for the Lot 24 RFP.

The RFP window for Lot 24 opened Feb. 3 and closed April 9. The RFP review committee was expected to recommend finalists to the city and county by May 7.

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Seems the Marina is still being built on the Ohio River engineering corps clearing it is still needed.Lot 24 received 2 proposals to be developed maybe not to the City and Counties liking.And Ferris Wheel is incoming back.

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/i-team/a-ferris-wheel-may-be-returning-to-the-banks-as-leaders-look-for-new-attractions-amid-development-stalls

On 4/20/2025 at 11:07 PM, 646empire said:

But you’re missing the point, that would make sense but you can’t still be planning Freedom Park and you can’t bid out lot 24 until Perkins is done. Or like I said it’s silly to spend the money on Perkins if your going to go ahead with lot 24, freedom park and the 180 Walnut site separately.

1 hour ago, The_Cincinnati_Kid said:

City of Cincinnati, Hamilton County hit pause on development of Lot 24 at the Banks

A 2018 proposal from Jeffrey R. Anderson Real Estate Inc., Greiwe Development and Pennrose Development for Lot 24 at the Banks in downtown Cincinnati.

Jeffrey R. Anderson Real Estate/Greiwe Development/Pennrose Development/MA Architects

By Brian Planalp – Staff reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier

May 13, 2025

The city of Cincinnati and Hamilton County received two proposals from developers for the largest undeveloped lot at the Banks, but officials have decided to pause consideration of those bids until after an urban design review of the downtown riverfront development is complete.

Indianapolis-based Flaherty & Collins and Dallas-based Lincoln Property Group submitted proposals for Lot 24 through a request for proposals, or RFP, according to Phil Beck, project executive at the Banks Public Partnership and a member of the review committee for the Lot 24 RFP.

The RFP window for Lot 24 opened Feb. 3 and closed April 9. The RFP review committee was expected to recommend finalists to the city and county by May 7.

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That didn’t take long.

No Ferris wheel unless it's larger than the London Eye. No carnival rides on or near the Underground Railroad Museum. No defacing this sacred spot so that people can be excited by elevation. If you have to have a Ferris wheel, build a concrete slab on a small portion of the lot next to the carousel, position it north-south so it doesn't interfere with traffic, and add a tent or two with Kewpie dolls and a ring toss. Maybe consider hiring someone with an imagination.

The 2 proposals for lots 24 Hamilton County received before pausing the development process.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2025/05/14/banks-lot-24-flaherty-collins-lincoln-proposals.html

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Hamilton County releases design proposals for Lot 24 at the Banks

Renderings of Flaherty & Collins' proposed development for Lot 24 at the Banks

Flaherty & Collins

By Brian Planalp – Staff reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier

May 14, 2025

Hamilton County has released the development proposals on which it has decided not to act for Lot 24, the largest undeveloped lot at the Banks.

Indianapolis-based Flaherty & Collins and Dallas-based Lincoln Property Group submitted the proposals through a joint city of Cincinnati-Hamilton County request for proposals process that opened Feb. 3 and closed April 9.

Officials said May 13 city and county leadership had decided not to act on the proposals, effectively halting the entire selection process until after a design review of all undeveloped lots of the Banks is complete at the end of this year.

The county could reissue the RFP afterward, and the two firms, if inclined, will be able to resubmit these proposals or submit new proposals.

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2025/05/14/banks-lot-24-flaherty-collins-lincoln-proposals.html

3 minutes ago, ucnum1 said:

The 2 proposals for lots 24 Hamilton County received before pausing the development process.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2025/05/14/banks-lot-24-flaherty-collins-lincoln-proposals.html

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Renderings of Flaherty & Collins' proposed development for Lot 24 at the Banks

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May 14, 2025

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• Hamilton County halts development proposals for Lot 24 at Banks.

• Flaherty & Collins proposed two-phase, 12-story mixed-use high-rises.

• Lincoln Property Group planned nine-story project with entertainment venue.

Hamilton County has released the development proposals on which it has decided not to act for Lot 24, the largest undeveloped lot at the Banks.

Indianapolis-based Flaherty & Collins and Dallas-based Lincoln Property Group submitted the proposals through a joint city of Cincinnati-Hamilton County request for proposals process that opened Feb. 3 and closed April 9.

The first one would have been great! But I’m assuming they want that block to be done in one phase not divided into two phases.

i must have said something wrong?!?

It looks like the Entertainment Venue would be a Cosm which is huge, I’d take that in a heartbeat.

https://www.cosm.com/

2 hours ago, 646empire said:

It looks like the Entertainment Venue would be a Cosm which is huge, I’d take that in a heartbeat.

https://www.cosm.com/

I much prefer the 2nd one as well

Enquirer article is making it seem like both of these options are definitively out. Meanwhile the courier article states that they are both able to resubmit proposal after updated urban design plan is complete.

Edited May 15May 15 by cblhaus

Let’s just have both proposals be combined with the entertainment complex next to a 12 floor apartment tower.

What is the city's obsession with having developers respond to RFPs and then immediately tabling them lol. Going to get to the point where nobody qualified will bother to submit proposals; receiving just 2 responses for such a prime site is already a concerning turnout.

Lincoln (the developer that proposed the "immersive entertainment" space alongside the apartments) also owns 180 Walnut. It's bizarre to me that Lincoln submitted an RFP for Lot 24 while appearing to do nothing with their 180 Walnut parcel. If the market isn't strong enough for a speculative office tower, have they explored other uses?

Unless I'm mistaken, the "urban design" review process that the County recently initiated didn't even include the 180 Walnut lot. Any ideas why not?

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2025/04/18/county-design-firms-banks-downtown-perkins-mksk.html

59 minutes ago, dnymck said:

What is the city's obsession with having developers respond to RFPs and then immediately tabling them lol. Going to get to the point where nobody qualified will bother to submit proposals; receiving just 2 responses for such a prime site is already a concerning turnout.

It speaks to the absolute dysfunction. The Banks isn’t finished because of government incompetence.

At least the old guard Gableman is out now too.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2025/05/15/hamilton-county-ousts-tom-gabelman-banks-attorney.html

59 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

Lincoln (the developer that proposed the "immersive entertainment" space alongside the apartments) also owns 180 Walnut. It's bizarre to me that Lincoln submitted an RFP for Lot 24 while appearing to do nothing with their 180 Walnut parcel. If the market isn't strong enough for a speculative office tower, have they explored other uses?

Unless I'm mistaken, the "urban design" review process that the County recently initiated didn't even include the 180 Walnut lot. Any ideas why not?

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2025/04/18/county-design-firms-banks-downtown-perkins-mksk.html

It really makes me upset when developers do this kind of thing. It’s recently similar to how the hotel developers of Walnut Center dual property didn’t get it done then turned around a bid on the convention hotel too lol.

If the entertainment concept is in fact a Cosm, Lincoln could just put it on 180 Site.

3 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Let’s just have both proposals be combined with the entertainment complex next to a 12 floor apartment tower.

Especially since the developer mentioned they would be open to the site being spilt projects for 2 sep developers.