July 27, 200717 yr I didn't know it was 15 to 1. That's incredible. Yet it's somehow still a struggle to get the public's support. I don't understand people. Well if Cincinnati forumers still aren't aware of it's impact, then I guess it's a good record to keep playing then.
July 30, 200717 yr Architects Invite Public to Create Fort Washington Way Decking Plan CINCINNATI, OH – AIA Cincinnati (a chapter of the American Institute of Architects) is hosting a public vision workshop on August 4, 2007 entitled “Greening the Gap – A Community Vision for the Fort Washington Way Decks”. This event is part of a nationwide celebration of the 150th anniversary of the founding of the American Institute of Architects. AIA architects across the nation are marking the anniversary with a series of projects which engage the public on important civic design issues. In Cincinnati, the connection to the riverfront was selected due to its regional significance. “The deck covers for Fort Washington Way are an ideal subject for our AIA150 celebration,” said Paul Muller, AIA, Chair of the Cincinnati AIA150. “They will play a vital role in connecting the downtown to the new riverfront developments and will benefit from the public’s involvement on August 4th”. “We hope to create a common vision for this major addition to the central core which is almost three times the size of Fountain Square,” said Muller. The day will include sessions on the opportunities for “green design” at an urban scale, public input on elements to include and work on designs in small groups. The final product will hopefully represent a community vision to serve as a guide and aid to the creation of the decks. The facilitator for the day will be John Boecker, FAIA, of 7 Group. Mr. Boecker is a noted architect and designer of many certified LEED™ projects and has facilitated dozens of sustainability workshops across the country. The workshop is being organized by AIA Cincinnati’s Committee on the Environment and their Emerging Professionals Committee. “This will be an opportunity for the public to both learn about the potential of ‘green design’ at the urban scale and to contribute to the vision for this large, new section of downtown,” said Andy Corn, AIA, Chair of COTE. The day long planning workshop is open to the public thru registration at the AIA Cincinnati web site at: http://www.aiacincinnati.org/ or by calling 241-4661. Participation is limited to 150 people. Location: Paul Brown Stadium, West Club Lounge, Cincinnati, OH Date: Saturday, August 4, 2007 Time: 8:00 am - 5:30 pm 7:00 – 8:00 am Sign-in and breakfast Lunch Provided This Event Is Free of Charge Earlier this year the deck cover design was the subject of “Architecture By Children”, a highly successful program in which architects volunteer in area schools. Over 2000 students participated in designing environmentally sustainable projects for the decks. Winning projects will be on display at the workshop. Winning entries can be viewed at:http://www.aiacincinnati.org/Committees/ArchByChildren/2007thinkgreen/index.htm Architecture By Children is an annual project sponsored by AIA Cincinnati in collaboration with the Architectural Foundation of Cincinnati. A previous AIA150 project surveyed the public nationally to determine “America’s 150 Favorite Buildings”. Two Cincinnati buildings made the list: Union Terminal and Paul Brown Stadium, the site for the “Greening the Gap” workshop. The complete list can be viewed at: http://www.favoritearchitecture.org/. About AIA150 Celebrating 150 years, the AIA is the premier professional organization for America's architects. The AIA150 program, “Celebrating the Past, Designing the Future.” honors architects for their dedication and commitment to excellence in design and livability in our nation’s buildings and communities. The cornerstone program of AIA150, the Blueprint for America, serves as a nationwide platform to unite architects and citizens to collaborate on their communities’ design priorities. About The American Institute of Architects For 150 years, members of the American Institute of Architects have worked with each other and their communities to create more valuable, healthy, secure, and sustainable buildings and cityscapes. AIA members have access to the right people, knowledge, and tools to create better design, and through such resources and access, they help clients and communities make their visions real. Go to www.aia.org. This press release is also available at www.aiacincinnati.org/media/pressReleases/aia150Final.pdf
July 30, 200717 yr I'm not sure that this means much other than the fact that the project is being kept in the minds of people.
July 30, 200717 yr ^ this sounds interesting. Following through with decking plans would have an IMMEDIATE impact on the oh-so neglected north side of 3rd street. Trouble is most existing buildings have focused their service components...or no components at all to the 3rd street frontage. Hopefully this indicates a greater possibility of actually covering FWW.
July 30, 200717 yr Um, I have it on my calendar, along with the Hannaford's open house in Newport (for interiors). But there is also the Shaker Village Craft Fair that my parent's are wanting to come down for in Kentucky... so it's up in the air.
July 30, 200717 yr Hey everyone- I have been reading the site for a while but havent posted until now. Anyway, I was under the impression that the plan to build the deck over Ft. Washington Way had been scrapped. Does this mean that the plan is back on?
July 30, 200717 yr i think all it means...at least that anybody has made public...is that its still definately a POSSIBILITY.
July 30, 200717 yr Hey everyone- I have been reading the site for a while but havent posted until now. Anyway, I was under the impression that the plan to build the deck over Ft. Washington Way had been scrapped. Does this mean that the plan is back on? There has been no decision made in either direction. The pilings are there, should the money become available for the project. But the City won't be able to fund it by itself, and the park board is directing all of their energies towards the Central Riverfront Park project. So it will take some kind of state or federal grant to get this thing going, but it hasn't been officially scrapped by anyone. All parties would love for it to happen, but it is lower on the food chain for funding when compared to The Banks, Central Riverfront Park and OTR. Hopefully someone inside City Hall is able to get creative and find some grant out there that the City can apply for and hopefully use to fund the decking. Who knows though.
August 1, 200717 yr "City Council may be asked to approve a modification to the Banks' subdivision plat at its August 1 meeting*." -is this meeting still happening? I haven't heard anything in a while.
August 1, 200717 yr I received a notice of public meeting from the City indicating that a meeting will be held on Thursday August 2, 2007 at 5:30pm in the first floor auditorium at 2 Centennial Plaza , 805 Central Ave. to show the latest changes to the Banks Plan.
August 1, 200717 yr Bill includes funds for downtown park Post staff report The Cincinnati Post Approx. 2:30 PM, August 1, 2007 A bill authorizing $30 million for the new Cincinnati Riverfront Park and clearing the way for the Army Corps of Engineers involvement in construction of the 50-acre development is one step closer to reality. The funds are included in the 2007 Water Resources Development Act Conference Report and were secured by U.S. Rep. Steve Chabot, U.S. Sen. George Voinovich and U.S. Rep. Jean Schmidt, Chabot's office announced Tuesday. Full story text is available by selecting the headline
August 1, 200717 yr The Banks names leasing agent The Enquirer July 30, 2007 CB Richard Ellis has been named the exclusive leasing agent for the proposed Banks development on Cincinnati’s central riverfront by the development team formed by Carter Real Estate and the Harold A Dawson Co., both of Atlanta, the developers said today. Full story text is available by selecting the headline
August 2, 200717 yr Man, I cannot wait till they just turn freakin dirt ... lol. I say we ban all post pertaining to the Banks until there are bull-dozers on site. ;)
August 2, 200717 yr ^The funds were secured by Chabot? (in addition to Schmidt and Voinovich). I thought he voted against the bill that had riverfront park funding in it. I think that is typical Chabot though, voting for a bill at one part of the process and against it at another, so he can say he brings home the bacon and fights spending at the same time. Though in this particular instance I remember a newpaper article where he either said he was against the bill or accused Schmidt of something or other. Rando, get on that!
August 2, 200717 yr ^I contacted his office a few months ago when that news first came out, and how I was upset with his stance. Maybe it was my stern words that changed his spirit. But I must say that I have never received a response from the Chabot office...way to stay connected with your westside roots jerk! I even met him back in HS...he came to talk about public speaking and I caught him off guard with a question about redistricting. I asked him why it is soo often abused by both political parties, and why he was agressively pursuing that same agenda. He skirted around the question, and I thought that if he can't give a straight answer to some young twit in HS, then why should he get my respect and/or vote (not like he ever would or anything...just further reinforced my stance). But yes LK...I'm on it. :-D
August 2, 200717 yr ^I contacted his office a few months ago when that news first came out, and how I was upset with his stance. Maybe it was my stern words that changed his spirit. But I must say that I have never received a response from the Chabot office...way to stay connected with your westside roots jerk! I even met him back in HS...he came to talk about public speaking and I caught him off guard with a question about redistricting. I asked him why it is soo often abused by both political parties, and why he was agressively pursuing that same agenda. He skirted around the question, and I thought that if he can't give a straight answer to some young twit in HS, then why should he get my respect and/or vote (not like he ever would or anything...just further reinforced my stance). But yes LK...I'm on it. :-D Ha! My senior year at Oak Hills, Chabot came to speak and the school administrators wouldn't let me go as they knew my feeling about him. :roll:
August 2, 200717 yr ^My teacher (back at Oak Hills) at the time actually complimented me after class for sticking it to him. Needless to say he wasn't a big Chabot fan either. That was one of the prouder moments of my young life. :-D
August 3, 200717 yr I think they should put a crane at the site just to make it look their doing something. :wink:
August 3, 200717 yr I think they should put a crane at the site just to make it look their doing something. :wink: Then I could get excited! ;)
August 5, 200717 yr i went to the design charette for the top that will be put on over Fort Washington way. Mayor Mallory and Commissoner Portune were both there. They both said that ground will be broken on the banks before the year ends. I am confident that it will... at least i hope so............. otherwise... :drunk: :drunk:
August 7, 200717 yr Banks survey results announced Business Courier of Cincinnati - 4:35 PM EDT Monday, August 6, 2007 The developers of the long-awaited Banks project on Cincinnati's riverfront announced results today from a community survey about the development project. In May Carter Real Estate and the Dawson Co., both based in Atlanta, solicited community and consumer input about the housing and amenities planned for the development. About 500 people took the survey, with most respondents ranging in age from 24 to 44 years old. Full story text is available at http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2007/08/06/daily10.html
August 7, 200717 yr Seventy-two percent of the respondents were male and expressed a desire for such amenities as private balconies, wireless accessible areas and living in a specific location that was close to their offices, restaurants or other amenities. Private balconies was a main item that I keyed in on when taking the survey.
August 14, 200717 yr Banks hearing set Thursday BY JESSICA BROWN | CINCINNATI ENQUIRER August 13, 2007 CINCINNATI - Another self-imposed deadline for the Banks riverfront project came and went quietly Monday with no announcements. But those associated with the project insist it is still moving forward. Cincinnati Planning Commission on Thursday is scheduled to hold a public hearing and vote on the planned $600 million to $800 million mixed-use development along Cincinnati’s central riverfront. Full story text is available by selecting the headline
August 14, 200717 yr Planning commission to mull riverfront plan changes Business Courier of Cincinnati - 4:46 PM EDT Monday, August 13, 2007 by Dan Monk Senior staff reporter The Cincinnati Planning Commission is being urged to approve massive changes to its central riverfront master plan to accommodate an Atlanta developer's latest plans for the Banks riverfront development project. "The modifications have been requested to improve the viability of the project, thereby ensuring successes for the overall development," wrote Margaret Wuerstle, Cincinnati's chief planner, in a 19-page report urging the Cincinnati Planning Commission to modify its riverfront zoning. Full story text is available at http://"http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=2772.1680
August 14, 200717 yr Nice! So does this mean that the previous development plan that, in my opinion saw a rise in less desirable lots (i.e. more visible parking garages and lower density), will be reversed with far denser structures? And as for the height... I think that it will add a nice mix, as long as it doesn't completely tower over downtown Cincinnati or the two stadiums.
August 14, 200717 yr ^Doubling the density of the banks? That is an interesting idea but if QCSII is going up and we are serious about OTR gentrification, is there enough demand to justify this?
August 14, 200717 yr I think there will be once they get this rolling. There are so many people teetering on the belief that things really are on their way up, but if they can get ground broken within the next 6 months on the Banks, QCSII, and One River Plaza, throw in the many other cranes going up across the river. You could see 8 or more cranes by next spring in the riverfront area. PEOPLE WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO DENY THAT THE NATI IS CHANGING FOR THE BETTER! Hopefully a domino effect will take place and keep the momentum rolling on to OTR. Triple the friggin density!! Build a Tokyo style Sky- City! Just get some bloody dozer's down there and start moving some dirt around!
August 14, 200717 yr ^^ Well, this is over the time frame of 22 years. In that time, the market for residential and commercial units will improve, and the next wave of downtown development projects should start again.
August 14, 200717 yr Well, this is over the time frame of 22 years. In that time, the market for residential and commercial units will improve, and the next wave of downtown development projects should start again. Well Said. Since I am only 25 years old, most of my exposure has been through the 90s and early 2000s when stagnation was the norm. I almost forget about this ´growth´ thing. Since the Banks housing is going to be limited and somewhat pricey due to its location...OTR could appeal to the college age or up and coming young professionals with an appetite for urban living but not the fat bank account. Live in historic OTR for a fair price but still have access to the Banks, GABP, PBS, Fountain Square, and Mount Adams. Great point! I am just fearful that OTR will not turn the corner. It is by far my favorite neighborhood in the city. On a cheesy and mushy side note.... I love this message board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 14, 200717 yr Just to note...These are changes from the original plan for The Banks that was drawn up years ago (with all the brick buildings and what not)...not from the first release from Carter. The original plan was what was adopted and therefore served as the groundwork for the zoning and what not. Planning Commission would now be hearing the modifications to that original Banks plan. I would bet that they approve all of the modifications, but that they tie conditions to the project. I wouldn't be surprised if the PC suggested the removal of what appears to be a surface lot along 2nd...as well as some other minor suggestions. But then again who knows...supposedly they have been working together on this so that it would pass through these votes without a hitch. I guess we'll see.
August 14, 200717 yr I have no objections to tall buildings in this area which dramatically alter the appearance of the city...assuming they are high quality buildings. QCS phase 2 is borderline cheap-looking in my opinion. However, there will probably be some objections from the owners and wealthy tenants of 3rd and 4th St. businesses. And this would all lead inevitably to a lot of above-ground garages, which again isn't necessarily a bad thing if done well. After all any building on 2nd St. has pretty much the best highway access in the metro.
August 14, 200717 yr i was at atlantic station this weekend...i offer those involved with this project to exercise EXTREME caution when making approvals for design. some of the cheapest construction and worst design i have ever encountered. anybody ever heard of stenciled brick? its everywhere!!!!!!!!! it might as well be eifs...terrible terrible stuff. when i have more time i may offer a more detailed critique
August 14, 200717 yr Well, this is over the time frame of 22 years. In that time, the market for residential and commercial units will improve, and the next wave of downtown development projects should start again. How do you figure ?
August 14, 200717 yr 22 years is the projected date of full build out for The Banks. Market conditions will surely improve.
August 14, 200717 yr Market and demographic trends/patterns suggest the idea that the demand for urban living will continue to grow. The Midwest in particular also looks to benefit from population shifts in the next 20 or so years. Cincinnati looks to be positioning itself quite well to capitalize on that potential shift.
August 15, 200717 yr Banks facing shifting sands By Joe Wessels Post contributor Proposed changes by the developer of The Banks riverfront project could have a dramatic impact on how the finished project looks. The partnership team of Atlanta-based Carter Real Estate and the Harold A. Dawson Co. wants to significantly increase the density of the project and up the allowable height of buildings from 16 to 30 stories. Full story text is available at http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070815/NEWS01/708150367
August 15, 200717 yr I would assume that they are asking for higher densities so that they can make it work financially to offer more affordable units...units that may be geared towards YPs and other middle-class individuals. This is the market that the development needs to tap in order to be successful in the residential component (that's my humble opinion).
August 15, 200717 yr Who is this Eichelbaum character? He seems to have an agenda, and not a good one. His organization, Marketing Developments Inc., sounds so vague and faceless that it has to be nefarious.
August 15, 200717 yr Who is this Eichelbaum character? He seems to have an agenda, and not a good one. His organization, Marketing Developments Inc., sounds so vague and faceless that it has to be nefarious. While I don't know if ye has an 'agenda' this guy is clearly not clueless on development and retail. He might just know something most on UrbanOhio don't. http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2002/05/20/story2.html
August 15, 200717 yr You know at a point in time Robert Moses had many gleaming articles written about him and about how great he was. You may still find some today that argue he was great for NYC and its boroughs, but I would venture to say that you would find many more differing views today. Greatness is not something that can be judged in the present day...it is something that history will decide.
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