August 2, 20195 yr If I'm not mistaken there are cleats at the bottom of the Serpentine Wall. I've never seen anyone tie off there because it is open to barge wakes.
August 2, 20195 yr There are, but the water has to be the exact right height and you have to have plenty of bumpers on board since you risk hitting a concrete structure. Something simple and cheap like the wood dock attached to the Hooters barge would be great, because it needs to float to move with the water level. I feel like putting a wooden dock in the Majestic's former location and re-using a lot of the anchor points and tie offs to shore would make the public landing a lot more of a 'public landing' and would probably be easier to pull off (read less expensive) than the proposed dock at Smale.
August 2, 20195 yr The thing about the serpentine wall is that it's only really usable when the river is at pool stage. It only needs to get maybe two or three feet higher before it covers that lower level and then your tiedowns are underwater.
August 2, 20195 yr The public landing is a landing -- not so much a place to dock overnight. There is often a lot that goes on there over the course of 24 hours but the boats only land for a few minutes. For example, B&B Riverboats sometimes runs charters that pick up their passengers at the landing rather than in Newport. About five years ago my grandmother was down at the Showboat Majestic and some other old lady fell on the cobbles and broker her arm. Anyone who has taken old people on errands knows that falls can happen at anywhere at any time, but I'm sure that over the years at least 1 old person fell going to or from that place per year.
August 11, 20195 yr It's been a while since there was a good "drive around Cincinnati and take pictures of all of the development" Thanks!
August 11, 20195 yr Thank you. Im going to try and get some more this weekend in OTR and Clifton as well as the Madisonville development.
August 22, 20195 yr https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/08/22/developer-bullish-on-demand-for-office-at-the.html Glad to see this is moving forward quickly
August 22, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, seaswan said: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/08/22/developer-bullish-on-demand-for-office-at-the.html Glad to see this is moving forward quickly Do they mention anything about the construction start date? I know they said in 2020 but since it’s moving along quickly that maybe it could start even earlier?
August 22, 20195 yr I think they said summer 2020, but he said if it has a lot of demand then itll get started earlier
August 23, 20195 yr Does anyone know what is going in at the only un-leased space at phase 1? it is the back corner across from yard house? the space appears to be built out but there is nothing inside. Almost looks like an event space.
August 23, 20195 yr 36 minutes ago, jmblec2 said: Does anyone know what is going in at the only un-leased space at phase 1? it is the back corner across from yard house? the space appears to be built out but there is nothing inside. Almost looks like an event space. Open concept venue for different forms of art and events. http://thebankscincy.com/attractions/sample-space-the-banks-coming-soon/ https://www.sample-space.com/
August 23, 20195 yr Does anyone know why it's taken so long to built out the 2nd restaurant pad (across from yard house?). Is it because they can't find any restaurant tenant that wants to locate there? Or is it just not a priority right now?
August 23, 20195 yr Just now, troeros said: Does anyone know why it's taken so long to built out the 2nd restaurant pad (across from yard house?). Is it because they can't find any restaurant tenant that wants to locate there? Or is it just not a priority right now? Giordanos was going to open a location there a year after yard house. I wont mention names, but someone made a bone head move and signed Pies and Pints lease agreement a couple months after Giordanos letter of intent. Once they heard another pizza place was going to open at the Banks they pulled out. Beyond that i dont believe they have been aggressive with that pad at the banks. Its acting as a flex space for now.
August 23, 20195 yr 4 minutes ago, savadams13 said: Giordanos was going to open a location there a year after yard house. I wont mention names, but someone made a bone head move and signed Pies and Pints lease agreement a couple months after Giordanos letter of intent. Once they heard another pizza place was going to open at the Banks they pulled out. Beyond that i dont believe they have been aggressive with that pad at the banks. Its acting as a flex space for now. What a bummer. Not heard good things about Pies and Pints.
August 23, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, tonyt3524 said: What a bummer. Not heard good things about Pies and Pints. Its managed and run poorly. I am surprised its lasted this long. Out of the four visits i have made there since opening only paid once. Kitchen or server has messed up so badly manager has always comped our meal. I don't even get angry or upset, the manager just seems to realize its on them.
August 23, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, savadams13 said: Its managed and run poorly. I am surprised its lasted this long. Out of the four visits i have made there since opening only paid once. Kitchen or server has messed up so badly manager has always comped our meal. I don't even get angry or upset, the manager just seems to realize its on them. That's surprising. I've been there 5 times and had good experiences every time. Good food, good beer, good service.
August 23, 20195 yr I'm wary on pizza shops in general. I'm sort of happy Giordanos didn't take that pad. For me, Giordanos belongs somewhere along Court St or OTR. A smaller-mid sized location, not a prominent Banks location. That banks pad imo is an attractive location considering it's next to the ballparks, the river, smale park, etc. I personally prefer to have restaurants that serve a variety of food on their menu. I know cheese cake gets made fun of alot here, but they are popular because there they have a variety of food that's decent to good, a good (albeit expensive) cocktail menu, and their cheese cake is good.
August 23, 20195 yr Giordano's would be perfect for that standalone spot at The Banks. They need a large, open location that can seats tons of people. It would kill at The Banks. I honestly can't think of a better restaurant to fill a space like that. It would be busy every day of the week.
August 23, 20195 yr Giordanos would have been an amazing addition to The Banks. It's not really about how good their food is or how extensive their menu is. It's about the fact that families from West Chester and Milford and Fort Thomas have heard of Giordanos, and it would be an excuse for them to come into the city, spend a day at Smale Riverfront Park, and have dinner at Giordanos. Signing Pies and Pints was a really shortsighted decision. The Banks should be doing everything they can to get Shake Shack on that other restaurant pad. Unless signing BurgerFi screwed that up... ?♂️
August 23, 20195 yr 23 minutes ago, troeros said: I'm wary on pizza shops in general. I'm sort of happy Giordanos didn't take that pad. For me, Giordanos belongs somewhere along Court St or OTR. A smaller-mid sized location, not a prominent Banks location. That banks pad imo is an attractive location considering it's next to the ballparks, the river, smale park, etc. I personally prefer to have restaurants that serve a variety of food on their menu. I know cheese cake gets made fun of alot here, but they are popular because there they have a variety of food that's decent to good, a good (albeit expensive) cocktail menu, and their cheese cake is good. Yes while you have a valid points. You have to remember, the banks needs to have brands that dont exist anywhere else in the Region. Cheesecake Factory exist at Kenwood therefore why would anyone near or north of Kenwood ever come to the Banks for Cheesecake Factory...
August 23, 20195 yr 12 minutes ago, taestell said: Giordanos would have been an amazing addition to The Banks. It's not really about how good their food is or how extensive their menu is. It's about the fact that families from West Chester and Milford and Fort Thomas have heard of Giordanos, and it would be an excuse for them to come into the city, spend a day at Smale Riverfront Park, and have dinner at Giordanos. Signing Pies and Pints was a really shortsighted decision. The Banks should be doing everything they can to get Shake Shack on that other restaurant pad. Unless signing BurgerFi screwed that up... ?♂️ Most of the existing tenants have a stipulation in there lease, that states the developers/leasing agents wont sign other restaurants, bars, retail shops that compete in similar market. So you wont see another taco place, pizza place, burger place or hot chicken place in the near future because those niches have already been filled. Sad fact of the matter when majority of these leases were written and done they were desperate to get tenants and made some bad choices to get tenants Edited August 23, 20195 yr by savadams13
August 23, 20195 yr 33 minutes ago, taestell said: Giordanos would have been an amazing addition to The Banks. It's not really about how good their food is or how extensive their menu is. It's about the fact that families from West Chester and Milford and Fort Thomas have heard of Giordanos, and it would be an excuse for them to come into the city, spend a day at Smale Riverfront Park, and have dinner at Giordanos. Signing Pies and Pints was a really shortsighted decision. The Banks should be doing everything they can to get Shake Shack on that other restaurant pad. Unless signing BurgerFi screwed that up... ?♂️ How come I've never heard of Giordanos until today? Is this a huge blind spot in my knowledge of popular chain restaurants?
August 23, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, DEPACincy said: How come I've never heard of Giordanos until today? Is this a huge blind spot in my knowledge of popular chain restaurants? It's a casual deep dish pizza chain that also serves some sandwiches. It's good stuff, but you have to be in the mood for it. The deep dish is so filling, and probably has an excess of over 500-600 calories per slice.
August 23, 20195 yr 14 minutes ago, DEPACincy said: How come I've never heard of Giordanos until today? Is this a huge blind spot in my knowledge of popular chain restaurants? Its a Chicago Brand with a strong following. People who travel or been to Chicago tend to try it once and tell others. Its similar to UNO's
August 23, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, DEPACincy said: How come I've never heard of Giordanos until today? Is this a huge blind spot in my knowledge of popular chain restaurants? It's a Chicago-based chain with a handful of locations in other parts of the country. People overhype things from other regions that aren't available here. People go on and on about how great In-N-Out Burger is, despite the fact that it's an above-average fast food burger, nothing more. People used to talk about Yuengling like it was the best beer ever made, and brag about taking road trips to the nearest town in Pennsylvania where you could buy it, before it was sold in Ohio. It's not how good it is. It's the novelty. If it opened at The Banks, there would be a line around the block every weekend.
August 23, 20195 yr LOL, that's like how every time I was on a Turnpike I'd get Roy Rogers but I always just drove by the one that was on 32 near Milford after I moved to town.
August 23, 20195 yr first confirmation I’ve seen construction is beginning, albeit on the garage podium, but I shouldn’t think there’d be any pause between that and work on the venue itself
August 23, 20195 yr 8 minutes ago, Pdrome513 said: first confirmation I’ve seen construction is beginning, albeit on the garage podium, but I shouldn’t think there’d be any pause between that and work on the venue itself That's exciting! Glad to see surface lots being torn to shreds. Still mind blowing thinking back on how this area used look back in the early to mid 2000's. Nothing but surface lots galore. Its quite a beautiful transformation....Hopefully the Washington Way Caps aren't to far distant in the future either.
August 23, 20195 yr 22 minutes ago, troeros said: Still mind blowing thinking back on how this area used look back in the early to mid 2000's. Nothing but surface lots galore. Its quite a beautiful transformation....Hopefully the Washington Way Caps aren't to far distant in the future either. ~Just to speculate~ Wishful tinking: Once the office tower is built and fully leased, the music venue is complete, AND the last remaining big lot (24 I think) gets started on a mixed-use building, then we will see a push for the caps. That's probably 2025. Ideally, 2 of the 3 caps will be buildings, with a park on the cap in front of the freedom center. More likely: Oktoberfest continues to be a major hit, and Cranley applies for a TIGER BUILD (who am I kidding, CMAQ) grant to cap them and make all 3 park space to improve the festival atmosphere as a part of his initiative to make Oktoberfest a 10 day event... because priorities. That would be applied for next year or in 2021. Edited August 23, 20195 yr by 10albersa
August 23, 20195 yr So which lots are currently going to become part of the parking garage? And I wonder if the awkward lot 13 will ever be built out.
August 23, 20195 yr if the caps all become park space im gonna lose my mind https://www-bizjournals-com.research.cincinnatilibrary.org/cincinnati/news/2019/08/23/cranley-driehaus-spar-over-mayor-s-new-demands-for.html Also: So cranley now wants the venue to be on lot 24. Shocker there, this makes absolutely no sense. Edited August 23, 20195 yr by seaswan
August 23, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, 10albersa said: More likely: Oktoberfest continues to be a major hit, and Cranley applies for a TIGER BUILD (who am I kidding, CMAQ) grant to cap them and make all 3 park space to improve the festival atmosphere as a part of his initiative to make Oktoberfest a 10 day event... because priorities. That would be applied for next year or in 2021. I had a lengthy conversation last weekend with a polka musician about the decline of polka in Cincinnati. It is sad that Oktoberfest along with the neighborhood Oktoberfests are having to pay travel expenses to bring good polka bands down from Wisconsin. What's more, the Cincinnati polka bands quickly diverge from traditional polka into pop adaptations, like The Doors' Roadhouse Blues. Imagine if you will three blocks of tents over the highway, with a 9 days of continues polka emanating from each, 24/7.
August 23, 20195 yr 45 minutes ago, seaswan said: Also: So cranley now wants the venue to be on lot 24. Shocker there, this makes absolutely no sense. Yeah the county has this one right, Lot 24 is a huge opportunity and lot 27 would never get developed besides maybe park space (and that's ONLY if the Bengals relocate to LA) due to the shape. Cranley needs to quit whining
August 24, 20195 yr 5 hours ago, jmecklenborg said: I had a lengthy conversation last weekend with a polka musician about the decline of polka in Cincinnati. It is sad that Oktoberfest along with the neighborhood Oktoberfests are having to pay travel expenses to bring good polka bands down from Wisconsin. What's more, the Cincinnati polka bands quickly diverge from traditional polka into pop adaptations, like The Doors' Roadhouse Blues. Imagine if you will three blocks of tents over the highway, with a 9 days of continues polka emanating from each, 24/7. Having recently gone to the Munich Oktoberfest I was surprised how much pop and rock music was played. The bands in the tents played German music and the prost song every 30 minutes but it was probably at least 50% English rock and pop songs. The smaller tents probably were more close to German only music but I only saw those ones for a quick look. Edited August 24, 20195 yr by Cincy513
August 24, 20195 yr 7 hours ago, seaswan said: Also: So cranley now wants the venue to be on lot 24. Shocker there, this makes absolutely no sense. I don't recall the lot numbers off hand, but Cranley has always wanted the music venue to be on the lot just south of Radius/GE, above the existing garage. It would be an incredible waste of space to put a music venue on that lot, where a full 8+ story mixed use development should be.
August 24, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, taestell said: I don't recall the lot numbers off hand, but Cranley has always wanted the music venue to be on the lot just south of Radius/GE, above the existing garage. It would be an incredible waste of space to put a music venue on that lot, where a full 8+ story mixed use development should be. Blue Bloods love wasting valuable spaces in cities with cultural stuff. It's the goal of every blue blood family to have a hi-rise built above land their family trust owns in perpetuity. The Banks created more "downtown", which is why heights were limited and why the best block was immediately given over to a cultural institution, the Freedom Center, and why office space has always been a minor part of the plan.
September 4, 20195 yr At tense hearing, Cranley, lawyers claim county’s Banks deal blocks future riverfront development By Chris Wetterich – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier Mayor John Cranley launched an all-out assault Tuesday night on Hamilton County’s agreement with the Cincinnati Bengals, which is designed to advance the next phase of the Banks by moving Hilltop Companies and building a music venue just east of Paul Brown Stadium. At a meeting of the City Council’s Economic Growth & Zoning Committee, which started at 6:30 p.m. and stretched for another three hours, Cranley attempted to conduct a combative interrogation of Tom Gabelman, the county’s legal adviser on the Banks mixed-use riverfront development. MORE
September 4, 20195 yr Per this article Cranley's argument is that per the land swap the Bengals are requiring 3,200 surface parking spots, while the Hilltop site will only provide about 2,300 spots. Cranley is saying this could prevent lots 1, 13 and 25 from being developed in the future as the Bengals could say those are part of their required surface spots. My question is, is that true? If it's true I would find myself on Cranley's side of the argument, but as that is rarely the case I'm assuming he is either wrong or lying. It also seems in Mike Brown's character to sneak a provision through that we will regret agreeing too later, so I don't which side to believe. Either way it seems like everyone is for the land swap except him, including his buddies Mann and Murray so it seems like its only a matter of time before it goes through.
September 4, 20195 yr Both of these sides are filled with idiots. It really shouldn't be that difficult to develop prime riverfront real estate but here we are over a decade later and the banks isn't even halfway built out. Until the county and city governments are merged we're going to continue to see this stupid infighting that negatively affects the area.
September 4, 20195 yr The County's lawyer, Gableman, disagrees with Cranley's assumption about the parking situation and the future development of lots 1, 13, and 25. Remember, Cranley wanted a different venue operator and a different venue location. He lost both battles. So, he's decided to try and sabotage a project because he didn't get his way. Sound familiar?
September 4, 20195 yr 40 minutes ago, brian korte said: The County's lawyer, Gableman, disagrees with Cranley's assumption about the parking situation and the future development of lots 1, 13, and 25. Remember, Cranley wanted a different venue operator and a different venue location. He lost both battles. So, he's decided to try and sabotage a project because he didn't get his way. Sound familiar? I still think he is hoping to bring concerts into the FC Cincinnati Stadium and this may get in his way if the MEMI deal happens....plus yes bitter little man.
September 4, 20195 yr 35 minutes ago, SleepyLeroy said: I still think he is hoping to bring concerts into the FC Cincinnati Stadium and this may get in his way if the MEMI deal happens....plus yes bitter little man. Concerts at FC's stadium would be totally different then concerts at this banks venue. FCCs stadium will seat 26,000, so conservatively 15,000+ when it's setup for a concert. The banks venue will only seat 4,500 indoors and 8,000 outdoors. The two venues don't have any affect on the other.
September 4, 20195 yr 4 minutes ago, Cincy513 said: Concerts at FC's stadium would be totally different then concerts at this banks venue. FCCs stadium will seat 26,000, so conservatively 15,000+ when it's setup for a concert. The banks venue will only seat 4,500 indoors and 8,000 outdoors. The two venues don't have any affect on the other. Perhaps, but maybe there was an indoor concert thing in the works with FCC. Have to keep all that new club owned potential future retail and hotel area filled on non game days to bring in the cash. With as fuzzy as the scope and boundaries are for this project, who knows what they are planning over there while the mayor throws all the simultaneous shade & spotlights on the other deal going on. The one that he isn't involved in.
September 4, 20195 yr They can't hold economically viable 1-night concerts at a 26,000 seat outdoor stadium. A multi-day fest like Rock on the Range, perhaps. But the set-up costs for outdoor stadium shows are gigantic, which is why they are only held at stadiums that can hold 40,000+ people. If there were a market for small stadium shows, Nippert would have been a popular concert venue for the past 50 years.
September 4, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, brian korte said: The County's lawyer, Gableman, disagrees with Cranley's assumption about the parking situation and the future development of lots 1, 13, and 25. Remember, Cranley wanted a different venue operator and a different venue location. He lost both battles. So, he's decided to try and sabotage a project because he didn't get his way. Sound familiar? Disagree with this. The county and Bengals have a memorandum of understanding for more surface lot spaces (3.2k) than even this convoluted Hilltop site deal can provide. Any deal that relies on the Bengals to allow development on lots 1, 13, and 25 out of the kindness of their hearts isn’t a good one. Cranley’s concern here should be addressed Edited September 4, 20195 yr by thebillshark www.cincinnatiideas.com
September 4, 20195 yr 13 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said: They can't hold economically viable 1-night concerts at a 26,000 seat outdoor stadium. A multi-day fest like Rock on the Range, perhaps. But the set-up costs for outdoor stadium shows are gigantic, which is why they are only held at stadiums that can hold 40,000+ people. If there were a market for small stadium shows, Nippert would have been a popular concert venue for the past 50 years. Indoor entertainment is vastly cheaper on average than outdoor. This applies on many levels.
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