August 13, 20222 yr 10 hours ago, Troeros2 said: Are we sure this website is new? Those renderings have my mouth watering. This website isn’t new. Some ole designs and info unfortunately.
August 13, 20222 yr Ugh sucks. I want to see our skyline grow but this drought of serious major development sucks for sure.
August 13, 20222 yr I think another hotel would be a good fit for the 180 Walnut site www.cincinnatiideas.com
August 15, 20222 yr Yeah, that 180 Walnut website is just a version of the marketing brochure available on JLL's listing for the property: https://property.jll.com/listings/180-walnut-at-the-banks-180-walnut-st-cbd
September 14, 20222 yr https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/09/14/kroger-reds-sports-betting-approval.html Not 100% sure the rules for sports betting and if you can have a stand-alone location or has to be in a casino, Stadium, etc. but would be nice to see a stand-alone at the banks. Possibly on the lot north of Andrew Brady or heck even make a whole development out of it and put it on the lot south of GE and put apartments above it. Edited September 14, 20222 yr by Ucgrad2015
September 14, 20222 yr I don't think the Reds or Bengals would approve a stand alone location since they're both going to have betting areas in their stadiums.
September 14, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, Ucgrad2015 said: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/09/14/kroger-reds-sports-betting-approval.html Not 100% sure the rules for sports betting and if you can have a stand-alone location or has to be in a casino, Stadium, etc. but would be nice to see a stand-alone at the banks. Possibly on the lot north of Andrew Brady or heck even make a whole development out of it and put it on the lot south of GE and put apartments above it. They should expand the Brady a bit and make it a sportsbook. It would get people down there 365 days a year, and really make days when there are sporting events going on even more busy.
September 14, 20222 yr The Reds/Bengals should open a sportsbook that has doors facing the street so that they can open it on non gamedays. I wouldn't be surprised if that would be in the plans for PBS/Paycor renovations.
September 14, 20222 yr 5 minutes ago, ryanlammi said: The Reds/Bengals should open a sportsbook that has doors facing the street so that they can open it on non gamedays. I wouldn't be surprised if that would be in the plans for PBS/Paycor renovations. While that idea makes complete common sense and should be a no brainer to try and accomplish, I am sure there is going to be a lot of red tape and bureaucratic issues with the licensing that would prevent this from ever happening.
September 14, 20222 yr 50 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: While that idea makes complete common sense and should be a no brainer to try and accomplish, I am sure there is going to be a lot of red tape and bureaucratic issues with the licensing that would prevent this from ever happening. Pro sports teams in Ohio get priority for obtaining a sports gambling license. I think every team is planning to setup some type of sportsbook in/around their stadium.
September 14, 20222 yr with online betting, I don't think a physical, standalone sportsbook is going to be super profitable or bring a lot of people downtown/activate the Banks. It's a great addition for someone like the Reds or Bengals, or the Casino or a racetrack. I just don't think there are going to be many people who go downtown just to place bets. Why would you when you can just go on your phone?
October 21, 20222 yr The Banks apartments sold for $90 million https://www.fox19.com/2022/10/21/banks-largest-mixed-use-apartments-sold-columbus-developer/ The sale of a luxury apartment complex that anchors The Banks finalized Friday. Crawford Hoying purchased The Current at The Banks for $89.7 million. Radius at The Banks is part of the sale as well and will be closed as a separate transaction in the near future. Crawford Hoying’s portfolio features more than $2 billion in Ohio projects, including Water Street District in downtown Dayton and Bridge Park in Dublin. It is also the developer behind The District at Clifton Heights, a $640 million mixed-use project whose second phase is currently under construction. Edited October 21, 20222 yr by Pdrome513
October 23, 20222 yr More on that... Crawford Hoying buying the Banks for nearly $177 million Crawford Hoying, a Columbus-based commercial real estate firm, is buying the Banks from Nicol Investment Co. for $176.6 million. The developer has already closed on the first portion of the purchase, Current at the Banks, for $89.7 million. Current at the Banks was completed in 2013 and has 300 units. Amenities include a rooftop pool, clubhouse with complimentary coffee bar and 24-hour fitness studio. The ground-floor retail in this section of the Banks measures 77,000 square feet, with tenants such as the Holy Grail, Jefferson Social, and Ruth’s Chris. "We couldn't be more excited to acquire this property, a trophy asset in an irreplaceable location between Paycor Stadium and Great American Ballpark," Brent Crawford, principal and founder of Crawford Hoying, said in a statement. "We have strong personal ties to the city and have been looking for the right opportunity for a long time. I was born and raised in Batavia and Bob [Hoying] is the oldest grandson of Reds hall-of-famer Wally Post. Our extensive background in multifamily and mixed-use neighborhoods will allow us to build on the incredible vibrancy of The Banks, and we look forward to what's to come next." More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/10/22/crawford-hoying-buying-banks.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 19, 20232 yr 180 Walnut. Is this "dead" or on-hold? it sure would be nice to see a crane at The Banks and a building with some height down there. 180 WALNUT - Home (180walnutatthebanks.com)
January 20, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, jvarney1 said: 180 Walnut. Is this "dead" or on-hold? it sure would be nice to see a crane at The Banks and a building with some height down there. 180 WALNUT - Home (180walnutatthebanks.com) My understanding is that JLL and Lincoln are looking for a large tenant to lease multiple floors or the intent to lease multiple floors so they can break ground. Office market is so soft right now, i think we need to see a couple more buildings in CBD flip to residential and hotels to help decrease the available office sq footage.
January 20, 20232 yr Does that have to be office because of the development agreement for the Banks or is that what the owners are choosing to do?
January 20, 20232 yr 15 hours ago, savadams13 said: My understanding is that JLL and Lincoln are looking for a large tenant to lease multiple floors or the intent to lease multiple floors so they can break ground. Office market is so soft right now, i think we need to see a couple more buildings in CBD flip to residential and hotels to help decrease the available office sq footage. There are a number of office projects on hold now, namely the new Western Southern Tower too. These will likely have to happen sometime this decade given the amount of class B/C office that is coming offline in the city and the aging buildings of what was previously class A. The loss of the Macy's tower as office space, the loss of 4th and Vine and Carew Tower office space is only pushing those tenants (who still will need space) into places like 312 Elm, 600 Vine, Huntington Tower, etc. It puts pressure on those tenants who may look to upgrade to places like the Scripps Center or Atrium which will further push demand for some customers toward newer space Class A+ space. There will be demand for new product in the next 10 years even if the office market stays soft.
January 27, 20232 yr Look at the growth of the riverfront trees since they were transplanted in 2015...
January 27, 20232 yr 11 hours ago, Lazarus said: Look at the growth of the riverfront trees since they were transplanted in 2015... Makes such a positive impact on the banks, thanks for sharing!
February 9, 20232 yr Galla at The Banks is closing. I’ve heard the space has already been leased for a “sports betting bar” which I kinda like if done right. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/02/09/galla-park-gastro-closing.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_6&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s
February 10, 20232 yr Am I the only one concerned that downtown is going to get oversaturated with sports betting everywhere?
February 10, 20232 yr Everywhere in the state will be. So will our minds and the media. They advertise more than pills.
February 16, 20232 yr On 2/9/2023 at 1:39 PM, 646empire said: Galla at The Banks is closing. I’ve heard the space has already been leased for a “sports betting bar” which I kinda like if done right. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/02/09/galla-park-gastro-closing.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_6&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s I wonder if BetMGM will move here from GABP's Machine Room. "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
February 16, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, Cygnus said: I wonder if BetMGM will move here from GABP's Machine Room. I think you may be right I’m told it’s The Reds who have leased the space.
February 21, 20232 yr I think Cincinnati comes out looking the best on this junk video: We're really *the only* example in this video of the after being objectively better.
February 23, 20232 yr On 2/21/2023 at 12:57 AM, Lazarus said: I think Cincinnati comes out looking the best on this junk video: We're really *the only* example in this video of the after being objectively better. I'd argue that St. Louis is better. (And Comiskey, LOL!) Gosh that music was awful!
February 23, 20232 yr 38 minutes ago, Rabbit Hash said: I'd argue that St. Louis is better. (And Comiskey, LOL!) Gosh that music was awful! St. Louis isn't accurate. They did not build the new Busch on the footprint of the old one. IT was next to it. St. Louis played in the old one up until they moved to the new stadium. I also think Pittsburgh did a good job on replacing 3 Rivers. It is partially a parking lot now but they have done some nice infill between Heinz and PNC in that space. Also, you have to recognize Minneapolis, taking an old suburban stadium (at the time before such areas were redeveloped) and building the Mall of America. Finally, even though it took like 15 years to do something with it, it just seem appropriate that the old Siverdome is turned into an Amazon distribution center.
March 15, 20232 yr https://www.wlwt.com/article/irish-pub-coming-to-the-banks-summer-red-leprechaun/43325740 New Irish bar opening up this summer between Taste of Belgium and E+O. Assuming it’s going in the spot where the Rose lavelle mural is.
March 15, 20232 yr That looks pretty cool. I think this will be the first time that section will be fully leased.
March 15, 20232 yr Good to get another option over in that section of the banks. Now can we please get something started on the parking pad that is already built out and ready for development south of GE?
March 15, 20232 yr It’s nice to fill out that phase finally but I agree that to make that block feel like a real place to hang out the partially built garage needs to be finished up and developed. On a related note I didn’t see it elsewhere but the old Joellas is becoming a 4eg bar called Killer Queen so that block won’t have an empty spot either. Unrelated but I took a walk today and the black music walk of fame is getting top soil and stone and looks like it will be done by this summer Edited March 16, 20232 yr by ucgrady
April 12, 20232 yr Oh gosh please no…. Lol. Building new Bengals stadium isn't completely out of the question, commissioners say. https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/building-new-bengals-stadium-isnt-completely-out-of-the-question-in-cincinnati-commissioners-say
April 12, 20232 yr They didn’t say that. They more strongly hinted at fears the bengals could leave than demand a new stadium. In fact the commissioners spent a good chunk of today lauding Paycor for being ahead of the times in its location amidst an urban mixed-use district. The days of the club lusting after something near Liberty Center appear to be over.
April 12, 20232 yr If you actually read the article the commissioners are the ones who asked for pricing on a new stadium, not the Bengals. The team has only ever talked about upgrading Paycor. But yeah let's jump to conclusions because of a click bait headline....
April 12, 20232 yr Funny the angle of the WCPO article vs the Business Courier one... I believe they also inquired about the cost of adding a roof to Paycor. Curious to hear what those figures are.
April 13, 20232 yr On 4/12/2023 at 8:47 AM, tonyt3524 said: Funny the angle of the WCPO article vs the Business Courier one... I believe they also inquired about the cost of adding a roof to Paycor. Curious to hear what those figures are. Theoretically I would love to have the option of an operable roof so we could host bigger events like NCAA tournaments and conventions and such, but I also feel like it will cost half a billion or more to get it a roof which just doesn't make sense financially with the added events you might be able to get.
April 13, 20232 yr I remember the designer hired to come up with pricing previously said putting a roof on PBS would cost about as much as a new stadium. So that isn't going to happen.
April 13, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, Cincy513 said: I remember the designer hired to come up with pricing previously said putting a roof on PBS would cost about as much as a new stadium. So that isn't going to happen. I wouldn't say never. It would cost as much as a new stadium but not necessarily a new domed/roof stadium. If you can come up with a good ROI with increased use of the venue with a roof on it, it could justify the increased cost. The one big takeaway I had in regards to building a new stadium was where are they going to actually build it? ALl the good riverfront property is taken and so is most of the downtown property suitable for a new stadium. Paycor is in the Prime location now and you would not want to give up that prime location
April 13, 20232 yr 26 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: The one big takeaway I had in regards to building a new stadium was where are they going to actually build it? ALl the good riverfront property is taken and so is most of the downtown property suitable for a new stadium. Paycor is in the Prime location now and you would not want to give up that prime location I remember that the cost of the existing stadium went over budget in part because they insisted on building it further east than originally planned and including the practice field as part of the project. This created enough space to build a future replacement stadium on the footprint of the practice field without disturbing the existing stadium. The big problem with that scenario is that it means a future practice field will be built between the future stadium and The Banks, a much more conspicuous waste of prime space than exists currently.
April 13, 20232 yr 47 minutes ago, ucgrady said: Theoretically I would love to have the option of an operable roof so we could host bigger events like NCAA tournaments and conventions and such, but I also feel like it will cost half a billion or more to get it a roof which just doesn't make sense financially with the added events you might be able to get. The problem with domed stadiums is that there are more and more of them being built (Nashville is building one to compete with Atlanta) but the number of marquis events isn't growing. Indianapolis hosted the Super Bowl a few years ago...their downtown mall failed just like ours did. The NFL has teased the idea of playing the AFC/NFC championship games at a neutral site, but elevating those games risks reducing the prominence of the Super Bowl, especially if musical acts and other pomp are added to the conference championships. The expansion of the college football playoffs is going to diminish the regular season, the conference championship games, and the non-playoff bowls. Right now the actual BCS championship game is often a diminished event since the first round seems like the bigger event. The same could happen to the Super Bowl.
April 13, 20232 yr PBS can simply be demolished and a new venue built on site while the bengals spend a few seasons at Nippert. Remember this would all go down 25ish years from now and with the growth of college football Nippert will likely be even more heavily upgraded and expanded to 50k or so.
April 13, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, Lazarus said: I remember that the cost of the existing stadium went over budget in part because they insisted on building it further east than originally planned and including the practice field as part of the project. This created enough space to build a future replacement stadium on the footprint of the practice field without disturbing the existing stadium. The big problem with that scenario is that it means a future practice field will be built between the future stadium and The Banks, a much more conspicuous waste of prime space than exists currently. No way is there enough space to build a new stadium next to Paycor. Not unless the Clay Wade is coming down.
April 13, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Cincy513 said: No way Way: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Paycor+Stadium/@39.095519,-84.5194221,690m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x8841b14e8e995ab1:0x991715beb84d8bcb!8m2!3d39.0954576!4d-84.5160577!16zL20vMDJ5NDUy
April 13, 20232 yr I think a new stadium could fit, just barely (though I'm not sure what would happen to Mehring Way). If the Bengals would be ok giving up the training fields entirely (they have the semi-permanent bubble now anyways), and the current stadium site is given back to the County/City to be redeveloped then I might be on board with that. The practice fields are so rarely used and are such a waste of prime space.
April 13, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, Lazarus said: The problem with domed stadiums is that there are more and more of them being built (Nashville is building one to compete with Atlanta) but the number of marquis events isn't growing. Indianapolis hosted the Super Bowl a few years ago...their downtown mall failed just like ours did. The NFL has teased the idea of playing the AFC/NFC championship games at a neutral site, but elevating those games risks reducing the prominence of the Super Bowl, especially if musical acts and other pomp are added to the conference championships. The expansion of the college football playoffs is going to diminish the regular season, the conference championship games, and the non-playoff bowls. Right now the actual BCS championship game is often a diminished event since the first round seems like the bigger event. The same could happen to the Super Bowl. I don't disagree with most of this but your last sentence is completely wrong. First of all the BCS hasn't existed for 10 years, and I don't at all think the playoff has diminished the championship game. The only one that didn't sell out is because they stupidly put it in SF and Bama/Clemson were playing for the third year in a row. In no way will the super bowl ever be diminished. The NFL won't allow that as it's by far their biggest event with the biggest ratings every year.
April 13, 20232 yr They're expanding the College Football Playoff to 12 teams so if anything, there's going to be an option for more games. If/when the Bengals build a new stadium, it should be somewhere else instead of the riverfront.
April 13, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said: They're expanding the College Football Playoff to 12 teams so if anything, there's going to be an option for more games. If/when the Bengals build a new stadium, it should be somewhere else instead of the riverfront. Im kinda thinking the same thing, if they renovate this time around the casino will be about 30 years old in the 2030s? Maybe demolish for a new bengals stadium? Or Soccer really grows over the next 20 years and we see a new joint FCC - Bengals stadium? We are also forgetting about The Reds they are gonna be due one too lol. Edited April 13, 20232 yr by 646empire
April 13, 20232 yr Building new shouldn't even be a discussion other than being used as a really big cost number to point to and make the renovation number look better. That's the only reason the county would ask for that pricing exercise. 26 minutes ago, 646empire said: Im kinda thinking the same thing, if they renovate this time around the casino will be about 30 years old in the 2030s? Maybe demolish for a new bengals stadium? Or Soccer really grows over the next 20 years and we see a new joint FCC - Bengals stadium? We are also forgetting about The Reds they are gonna be due one too lol. I know you are probably being facetious but this whole statement makes me want to throw up. Using CAREtool.org to do some super rough math, the embodied carbon in renovating PBS vs demolishing and building new is around 85,000 metric tons of carbon offset. That's just the carbon emissions; not the steel, concrete, plastic seats, glass, drywall etc etc. which has to be removed and recycled or placed in a landfill. Demolishing the casino, reds stadium, FCC stadium etc gets so out of hand with waste that it really is just disgusting.
April 13, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Cincy513 said: In no way will the super bowl ever be diminished. The NFL won't allow that as it's by far their biggest event with the biggest ratings every year. The NBA playoffs are so big that the regular season is now irrelevant. It's essentially the preseason and the playoffs are the season. In the NCAA basketball tournament, the Final Four always seems like a bigger deal than the actual championship (reaching the final four is always the mark of a successful season), and the BCS has taken on some of that characteristic, with tons of drama foreshadowing the selection. Making the playoffs bigger diminishes the regular season and conference championship games. Soon, OSU will always make the playoffs, making a loss or two during the regular season much less consequential.
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