"Also, Northern Kentucky isn't really "Kentucky", but I think most people know that. "

 

Whats the chance of the United States doing this, drawing a line from Hunington to Lexington, and then to Louisville and creating the great 51st state of.... drumroll.... Southern Cincinnati!

 

On second thought, we could just call it Northern Kentucky so that the Louisvillians and the Lexingtonions don't feel like they are losing their image to Cincinnati.

 

I still stand by my opinion that it stinks the 80% of the new tenents are from Ohio... there has got to be some kind of money that doesn't cross state borders even though we are in the same region. And in this case, the money isnt staying on the north side of the river.

"Also, Northern Kentucky isn't really "Kentucky", but I think most people know that. "

 

Whats the chance of the United States doing this, drawing a line from Hunington to Lexington, and then to Louisville and creating the great 51st state of.... drumroll.... Southern Cincinnati!

 

On second thought, we could just call it Northern Kentucky so that the Louisvillians and the Lexingtonions don't feel like they are losing their image to Cincinnati.

 

I still stand by my opinion that it stinks the 80% of the new tenents are from Ohio... there has got to be some kind of money that doesn't cross state borders even though we are in the same region. And in this case, the money isnt staying on the north side of the river.

 

You have to look at where they're coming from in Ohio.  If they're coming from Downtown Cincy, then I guess that could be considered a loss, or a statement about projects in Downtown Cincy.  However, if they're coming from Hamilton or Norwood or something, then I think it should be looked at as good news.  It's people moving into the city core. 

^That's a good point...but I would say that these people are coming from the 'burbs more so than from Norwood or Hamilton.  So yes, that would be good for the center city population/economy.

if I had to guess, I would say Indian Hill, montgomery and blue ash

I would be amazed if there was as many as. . . . . . . .  1 person moving from Norwood to the Ascent.

I would be amazed if there was as many as. . . . . . . .  1 person moving from Norwood to the Ascent.

 

LOL ... stereotyper!!!

 

I don't care what anyone says ... this thick ass hood is a cool one indeed!

 

I hate Norwood. I would live on 12th street in OTR or the worst street in the worst part of Avondale before I'd live in Norwood. I really don't like that municipality.

"thick ass hood"... :wtf:

"thick ass hood"... :wtf:

 

Not sure what part you are questioning?

^Well it's an interesting description...and then I am imagining you saying it in person.  Amused and confused all at once.  :laugh:

^Well it's an interesting description...and then I am imagining you saying it in person.  Amused and confused all at once.  :laugh:

 

If this isn't "thick" then I'm not sure what is?... 6,956.5 people per sq. mi.

 

 

I hate Norwood. I would live on 12th street in OTR or the worst street in the worst part of Avondale before I'd live in Norwood. I really don't like that municipality.

 

Whatever.  Norwood is fantastic.  Dense single-family housing, extremely walkable/joggable, lots of local shopping, lots of high-end shopping, easy access to about everywhere...I would DEFINITELY live in Norwood.

 

If this isn't "thick" then I'm not sure what is?... 6,956.5 people per sq. mi.

 

Now I see what you were saying...I wasn't quite sure what "thick ass hood" was meant say.

Norwood is kinda bland.  Give me 12th and OTR :-D

No offense to Kentucky but would the Ascent project have even been feasible without Cincinnati's wealth? I doubt it. Many of the projects probably wouldn't be self sustaining if they drew strictly from Kentucky. We're doing them a favor, similar to Hyde Park doing Norwood favors.

 

How exactly is Cincinnati doing NKY a favor?  By existing?  It's not like any land was recently ceded to KY or that Cincy is giving them permission to build.  The two communities have been developing alongside each other for some time now.  I want to see dense, vibrant communities on both sides of the river.  Renewed interest in our urban areas should draw people in from the suburbs and hopefully from outside of the region, so I don't really think it matters if a few move from one side of the river to the other.  We're all part of one big metro area, and we should embrace that.

^That's basically what I'm saying. I was at Skincraft in Northside today hearing people talk about how lame Cincinnati is and how great NKY is because there's so much "to do". If we're the ones bringing in their revenue and they're conveniently a hop skip and a jump away from us, we're basically brothers. Who cares?

Of course I'd prefer it to be on the Cincinnati side so that the money goes back into Cincinnati's economy but what's good for Cincinnati AND Northern Kentucky is good for the region.

^That's basically what I'm saying. I was at Skincraft in Northside today hearing people talk about how lame Cincinnati is and how great NKY is because there's so much "to do". If we're the ones bringing in their revenue and they're conveniently a hop skip and a jump away from us, we're basically brothers. Who cares?

 

I really want to know what is so fun to do in northern kentucky. I have lived here for 4.5 years & I just don't see what there is over there. I see NOTL but there isn't anything there for me being I'm not a teeny bopper. Maby someone can enlighten me.

^^ and ^^^ Exactly. People need to think of these developments as good for the entire region and need to jump out of this mentality that one side is stealing another's limelight or revenue or whatever. These projects benefit the region as a whole, and serve as a catalist for other large and small developments that will draw in suburbanites and relocators from other cities. Who wants to live in a region where northern Kentucky is a dump whereas Cincinnati is reaping all of the new developments, and vice versa?

People from Northside were saying this??? ... Weird, I'd take NS over Newport or Covington any day.

I'm a MainStrasse fan myself but I was surprised to hear those comments from people in Northside!

Never been to MainStrasse but I have a bar in my place so I no need to leave for that. But Cincinnati has alot of MainStrasse's but we call them neighborhoods.

I really want to know what is so fun to do in northern kentucky. I have lived here for 4.5 years & I just don't see what there is over there. I see NOTL but there isn't anything there for me being I'm not a teeny bopper. Maby someone can enlighten me.

 

I've been asking that question for years now...Nky is extremely overrated and primarily has a certain image due to positive press coverage of Nky and negative coverage of Cincy.

I really want to know what is so fun to do in northern kentucky. I have lived here for 4.5 years & I just don't see what there is over there. I see NOTL but there isn't anything there for me being I'm not a teeny bopper. Maby someone can enlighten me.

 

Dee Felice, Chez Nora, Cock & Bull, Pho Paris, Keystone, Greenup Cafe, Coco's, Riverside Korean, Mike's Music, the Covington riverfront, the view of Cincinnati's skyline, and that's all west of the Licking river...er...except Riverside Korean - sorry!

 

I really want to know what is so fun to do in northern kentucky. I have lived here for 4.5 years & I just don't see what there is over there. I see NOTL but there isn't anything there for me being I'm not a teeny bopper. Maby someone can enlighten me.

 

Dee Felice, Chez Nora, Cock & Bull, Pho Paris, Keystone, Greenup Cafe, Coco's, Riverside Korean, Mike's Music, the Covington riverfront, the view of Cincinnati's skyline, and that's all west of the Licking river...er...except Riverside Korean - sorry!

 

 

Riverside Korean... wha?

 

(Is Korean)

I'd like to weigh in on this mini-regionalism discussion.  I'm all for more people moving into the center city, but what is good for Nky does not necessarily have a positive impact on Cincy (and vice versa).  Sure we can tout it's good for the region until the cows come home, but guess what...Nky isn't recirculating that money back into Cincy or even Ohio for that matter (once again, vice versa).

 

Until we start acting like a unified region then this type of issue will be around.  Economic development in Nky is good for Nky and the state of Kentucky...it does not help city coffers in Cincinnati or Ohio.  Now of course we will see some spill over benefits, but the major economic benefits are lost across state lines.

 

We are a region, but we have yet to act like one...I suggest that the center city communities band together and create a economic development/investment fund.  This would be driven by projects within the center city and when something positive happens in Cincy, a certain percentage of projected revenues get allocated to this fund the same would happen with Nky developments.  This would link all the communities together and you might even then see collaboration of large-scale projects (ie Ohio River Bike Trail, water taxis, etc).

I assume most of those places are alcohol establishments? I walked west across the covington riverfront in july by the murals & it lead me into a bunch of bushes to nowhere & I had to walk up a bank of rocks to the top of the levee. And yes I lost my religion doing it... Maby I should have went to MainStrasse &  :drunk: it off haha

 

Thats where I got these pictures

 

 

I really want to know what is so fun to do in northern kentucky. I have lived here for 4.5 years & I just don't see what there is over there. I see NOTL but there isn't anything there for me being I'm not a teeny bopper. Maby someone can enlighten me.

 

I've been asking that question for years now...Nky is extremely overrated and primarily has a certain image due to positive press coverage of Nky and negative coverage of Cincy.

 

That's certainly part of it but I think there's a certain subset of people in Cincinnati that are too ignorant to even read the paper regularly. Fact is, people notice "entertainment" options easier than anything. NOTL was a big project and it materialized and THATS ALL THAT SOME PEOPLE LOOK AT. People blame Cinci. city officials in the same manner we blame the president for the economy. There's also the stickiness factor. Saying that Cincinnati is incompetent and NKY is where it's at, has become a catchy phrase for people that want to sound like they know a little bit about local politics.

At least the Ascent adds a little depth to the covington skyline.

Sure we can tout it's good for the region until the cows come home, but guess what...Nky isn't recirculating that money back into Cincy or even Ohio for that matter (once again, vice versa).

 

I don't know.  If you're talking about taxes, sure.  But I love going downtown, and I spend a lot of money at restaurants and bars there and in Mt. Adams, at Party in the Park and other festivals like Oktoberfest and Taste of Cincinnati, and I regularly attend Reds and Bengals games.  I also drag people from the suburbs with me, who are usually surprised at how much things have changed in recent years.  And I did virtually none of these things until I moved to Newport two years ago.  I can't imagine that I'm the only one who's willing to walk across the bridge or take the Southbank Shuttle.  That doesn't mean that I never hang out in NKY, but I think if you have events worth attending on either side of the river, people who live nearby will show up.

I don't know.  If you're talking about taxes, sure.  But I love going downtown, and I spend a lot of money at restaurants and bars there and in Mt. Adams, at Party in the Park and other festivals like Oktoberfest and Taste of Cincinnati, and I regularly attend Reds and Bengals games.  I also drag people from the suburbs with me, who are usually surprised at how much things have changed in recent years.  And I did virtually none of these things until I moved to Newport two years ago.  I can't imagine that I'm the only one who's willing to walk across the bridge or take the Southbank Shuttle.  That doesn't mean that I never hang out in NKY, but I think if you have events worth attending on either side of the river, people who live nearby will show up.

 

You're right...and that money you spend in either Nky or Cincy is then lost to the other side.  If you spend your money in Nky...Cincy sees no return and that money is lost to KY (the opposite is also true).  I'm just saying that we need to start acting like a region more than anything...and if you ask me Nky is the driving force perpetuating this Nky v. Cincy thing.  They are constantly throwing that out there in press conferences...going projects alone...not keeping Cincy in the loop...and doing things that actualy hurt projects on the Cincy side.  Once they do that they then use the media to their advantage once again (ie Purple People Bridge).

^ Bill Butler

They are constantly throwing that out there in press conferences...going projects alone...not keeping Cincy in the loop...and doing things that actually hurt projects on the Cincy side.

 

Would you keep them in the loop?    ie. BANKS

 

With that question being asked, I am not down playing any of the positives going on the Cincy side.   Just a little Devils Advocate, if you don't mind.     

 

This issue always digs at me worse after a high profile primetime showing that they got last night.   They show all of these great shots of this city, yet there is STILL a large, out of place section of nothing (but cars) front and center.           Sorry, I am rambling and I know this starts construction within the next couple months. (At least the park will be cool.  I can't wait for the first Mon. game when they can showcase the completion of that.) :wink2:

 

I will be the first to commend NKY towns for working together.

Nky officials have been invited and kept apprised on all the happenings with the Central Riverfront Park.  I don't expect the different parties to share business details, but at least engaging the others in the planning process would be nice.  When Cincinnati wants to do something with the river it has to get Nky's blessing...when Nky wants to do something with it they just move forward.  They don't have to tell or ask anything of Cincinnati.

 

Cincinnati gets a lot more grief than what they actually deserve in these debates.  Nky seems to do whatever it can to slow down the process or throw wrenches into the works with Cincinnati projects...the opposite is not true.

^ "When Cincinnati wants to do something with the river it has to get Nky's blessing"

 

I haven't seen any mention of that with The Banks or any project in Cincinnati.

 

^^ "I will be the first to commend NKY towns for working together."

 

I posted an article a while back about this actually. To summarize, one city focuses on commercial developments for the most part, while another focuses on residential structures. It would be difficult to use this method with Cincinnati, since there is a physical barrier (Ohio River), political barrier and a psychological barrier (as already seen here).

Half agree with you, but what if Cincy didn't have these guys across the river keeping them on there toes and making things happen.    Who is to say this building boom we are in, would even be happening at all right now.   Cincy has baulked on so many projects and just let the years pass while NKY has capitalized on quite a few.   The amount of projects they have planned from Dayton to Covington is enough to make your head spin.   Ultimately, both sides of the river will get there share and feed off of each other.   Cincy needs to keep there act together in order to maximize on the amount of good things to go on the north shore.  They need to get this Banks crap started SOON and put it behind them.  My biggest fear is a recession looming and them putting the brakes on the project similar to the depression and the subway issue.

 

Call it CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISISM!

 

 

^ I think there is some serious truth to the idea that NOTL and other develops in NKY helped carry the core of the city through the dark period of the late 90s and early 00s, when for both structural and political reasons Cincy was out of commission. The idea that there was value along the river and that NKY was getting ahead of Cincy provided some of the energy that we are finally seeing the results of. The conventional wisdom always lags, so many still look at Newport and see success, however the people closer to the pulse of the area realize that Newport has all kinds of issues and Cincy has quite a bit of momentum. Give a year or two. Shoot if the Bengals do really well this year, that could probably put downtown over the edge as people come downtown to be apart of the whole vibe of a big Bengals weekend. Oktoberfest should be even better this year with FQ completely finished. It remains that the closest affordable neighborhood with some historic value to downtown besides OTR (which has plenty of problems) is Covington.

^ "When Cincinnati wants to do something with the river it has to get Nky's blessing"

 

I haven't seen any mention of that with The Banks or any project in Cincinnati.

 

See:  USS Cincinnati Museum or even the Purple People Bridge for the inverse relationship on how Nky has gone it alone and then criticized Cincy for not being ready/willing to contribute at the drop of a hat.

 

Also do you think it is by pure coincidence that only Nky can have the riverboat eateries and what not.  Sure the river currents come into play, but they could have been built over here I would think.

Also do you think it is by pure coincidence that only Nky can have the riverboat eateries and what not.  Sure the river currents come into play, but they could have been built over here I would think.

 

Kind of hard with the remnant concrete wall from Riverfront Stadium still there.  Once they join the river with the ground elevation, this might be feasible.   But then again, who wants to look at Cov. vs the Nati skyline?

oakiehigh, the amount of projects built, proposed, and under construction is amazing in northern Kentucky. I would not have imagined the fury of projects ten years ago, and it is happening due to the re-emergence of downtown and inner city living, and due to cooperative city and county governments. Not to say that it hasn't had its share of problems, but it is fair to say that Cincinnati has had some as well (i.e. Clifton Hgts. eminent domain mess, The Banks).

 

As for NKY's riverboat eateries, that is something to promote the Kentucky riverfront. Should these boats have gone straight to Cincinnati? And why? Covington, Dayton, etc. are perfectly capable and are more than willing to host these floating dining establishments, and are more than entitled to. As is Cincinnati, but the city has either not been courting them, or there is no room for them at the moment (until more redevelopments of the riverfront get underway).

As for NKY's riverboat eateries, that is something to promote the Kentucky riverfront. Should these boats have gone straight to Cincinnati? And why? Covington, Dayton, etc. are perfectly capable and are more than willing to host these floating dining establishments, and are more than entitled to. As is Cincinnati, but the city has either not been courting them, or there is no room for them at the moment (until more redevelopments of the riverfront get underway).

 

I don't know whether Cincinnati has been courting these items or not...but I do know that Nky balked at the idea of having the USS Cincinnati Submarine Museum docked *gasp* on the Cincinnati riverfront.  They were however more than willing to dock it on the Nky side.  Kentucky controls nearly all of the river...therefore Cincy has to have their approval (in addition to the Corps) when trying to do things on the river.

There was talk of a marina between paul brown and the brent spence years ago. KY/OH doesn't matter what side of the creek you build it. 

While the state line does cross into Kentucky Randy, the Army Corps of Engineers have the final approval for any project that comes near or on the river. That includes a submarine museum, any additions or modifications to the floodwall (i.e. Newport on the Levee), floating restaurants, and etc. That has nothing to do with state control, and more with government regulations. There are probably reasons why it could not be anchored at the time to Cincinnati's riverfront, probably having to do with access, or the channel depth (IIRC, the channel depth extends further north towards Cincinnati than it does to NKY in the bend).

Why is it that Nky can do no wrong?!?!  It's like their sh!t doesn't stink or something...there is no reason for Nky to help/facilitate a project on the Cincy side of the river.  They have consistently made it difficult and have in return capitalized on those EXACT proposals that they worked hard on derailing in Cincy.  Nky uses their control to hurt Cincinnati at seemingly every opportunity.  When the bridges offer something beneficial they are all Nky's...but as soon as money is needed for maintenance/repairs they start to throw Cincy under the bus and hold them hostage for money (Roebling, PPB and surely BSB).  This extends beyond just the control of the river but to other projects as well...

 

See: Hofbrauhaus, Newport Aquarium, USS Cincinnati

The Brent Spence Bridge is a federal highway project and has nothing to do with local or county government control, so that one is thrown out. I'm not sure what "PPB" stands for, and as for Roebling, since Kentucky owns the river and has maintenance control over the span, it is in the interest of Kentucky to conduct public surveys and facilitate work on the span. As for financing, they are typically fashioned in an 80-20 manner, where Kentucky brunts 80% of the cost, and the other state 20%, on certain spans. There are exceptions to this, like the Ironton-Russell Bridge, which is being replaced by ODOT, not KYTC, or the Pomeroy-Mason Bridge, which is being replaced by ODOT and not by the WVDOH. But I'm willing to hear how the state of Ohio is being shafted by Kentucky in the Roebling instance in another thread (this one should really be about The Ascent).

 

As for NKY facilitating projects in Cincinnati, where has the city of Cincinnati facilitated projects in NKY? And why must this be done, given that there are political differences across the river, given that state financing for projects (such as with The Ascent, RiverCenter, Newport On The Levee, etc.) will NOT pay for projects in Ohio, and given that federal funding typically has stipulations on locale (in one state), it is not surprising that NKY doesn't help facilitate projects in Ohio. And it is a reason why NKY has stayed away from working with The Banks partners (or any other large project) because realistically, they cannot do much about it.

As for NKY facilitating projects in Cincinnati, where has the city of Cincinnati facilitated projects in NKY?

 

The PPB...Newport immediately was complaining that Cincy hadn't done anything with its side of the bridge to clean it up and make it nice.  Well, this wasn't a project that Cincinnati had set as a priority and Newport had gone on and done this obviously without working Cincinnati into the conversations.  If that had been done then maybe the two jurisdictions could have worked simultaneously and created a nice finished product.

 

But no, Cincinnati had no plans on funding that sort of effort and sure enough Newport officials started smearing Cincinnati...thus forcing Cincinnati to come up with some emergency funding to spruce up there end of the bridge.

 

These kinds of cooperation should/need to take place more and more.  How about the Ohio River Bike Trail...Cincinnati is constantly progressing on its portion, but Nky is a little further behind.  Are the two sides talking with one another to create a unified looking trail?  Shouldn't Cincinnati be looking to help Nky advance its efforts with the trail so that a bigger/better final product can be offered?

 

I'm rambling, but I hope you see my point...Nky is not solely to blame (although I feel they are primarily to blame).  Both sides need to do better to reach out to one another.  If not, and if you don't want to see this happen...then don't give me the "it's for the greater good of the center city shenanigans."  You tell that to the developer/municipality of either The Banks or Ovation...because one of those isn't going to make it, and it's a race to the finish line.

If Ovation turns out to be anything like Rivercenter in covington than we don't have much to look forward to. Just another bill butler public works project.

^Thx for getting things back on topic.  I agree though...I am REALLY nervous about the designs I have seen thus far.  I hope Billy doesn't screw the pooch on this prime real estate.

It would seem that the crashing real estate market would slow things down enough that maybe he will get bored and move onto something else.

^ Who? Billy Boy?? Not when he's got possibly hundreds of millions $$'s of tax payers money to play with. He'll at least pull a Neyer (Broadway Tower parking garage)