On 8/14/2023 at 5:14 PM, GCrites said:

The flip side of that is that nobody wants to deal with melodies and riffs since most of them have already been come up with and when they run the songs through the copyright algo they come up with violations. Meanwhile before subdivided beats there were technically only 128 different drumbeats so drums are uncopywriteable. So people can do all the drums they want and not have to send a bunch of money to somebody else because of a song they never heard before.

 

That's part of everything is so drum-oriented now.

When I was I young adult (pre internet, pre MTR, pre roadfan, pre UrbanOhio, etc) I had a subscription to Modern Drummer magazine (that lasted 10 years, I think). In one issue (mid to late 90s) they had interviewed Idris Mohommed and he was complaining about rappers stealing his drumbeats and not compensating him.
Your reference above to drums being "uncopywriteable" trigger that memory for me.

Fat-Bottomed Girls has been canceled:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12424449/We-woke-Classic-Queen-song-Fat-Bottomed-Girls-mysteriously-dropped-groups-new-Greatest-Hits-collection.html

 

This is why you need to own physical copies of music.  Most rock & roll is going to be cancelled.  This means it disappears or the digitally change the lyrics. 

 

Its whole history is going to be distorted.  We're living in a reality not even Tipper Gore dared to dream of. 

 

 

 

 

I saw a similar article over the weekend and thought it was from the Onion. 

50 minutes ago, surfohio said:

I saw a similar article over the weekend and thought it was from the Onion. 

 

The Rolling Stones quietly quit playing Brown Sugar live several years ago.  I expect the track to be deleted from their future greatest hits collections. 

 

Next on the chopping block?  Jumpin' Jack Flash.  The mother is described as a "toothless, bearded hag".  Can't have that. 

 

 

if anyone bothered to actually read anything about this "controversy", you would know that this is a release for a streaming platform geared towards kids. None of us have ever heard of "yoto", and no one here is ever going to subscribe. We'll survive this.

There is quite a difference between a bearded hag and the lyrics for Brown Sugar.

12 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

if anyone bothered to actually read anything about this "controversy", you would know that this is a release for a streaming platform geared towards kids. None of us have ever heard of "yoto", and no one here is ever going to subscribe. We'll survive this.

 

Figured something was up considering it was from a tabloid.

1 hour ago, Ineffable_Matt said:

There is quite a difference between a bearded hag and the lyrics for Brown Sugar.

 

 

Nope.  Any poking of fun at any HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED GROUP (i.e. bearded hags) must be met with the full force of THE LAW.  It's like NATO.  Attack the smallest country and you've attacked The United States. 

1 hour ago, ryanlammi said:

if anyone bothered to actually read anything about this "controversy", you would know that this is a release for a streaming platform geared towards kids. None of us have ever heard of "yoto", and no one here is ever going to subscribe. We'll survive this.

 

 

So you support body shaming?  I'm reporting you to the mods. 

 

 

 

 

now here is one goofy, crazy time capsule of an 80s video.  👨‍🎤👩‍🎤🤡

lou reed goes freakin new wave, roller disco rapper on west broadway in tribeca.

rip the wtc, lou and teddys. 

 

 

From Dayton.  This album was released 30 years ago today:

 

 

I remember seeing this air on MTV after school and during prime time.  It's almost impossible to believe that such a reality existed - a world where self-made and self-aware bands were given a national venue.  Just a few years later, MTV was overrun by boy bands, Britney Spears, and other crap from the Disney machine. 

 

 

 

 

 

Late 90s is when they were no longer allowed to accept alcohol advertising.

14 minutes ago, GCrites said:

Late 90s is when they were no longer allowed to accept alcohol advertising.

 

There was beer advertising on MTV?  I have no recollection of that.  In fact I can't think of any commercials at all, other than MTV-specific promos and the interludes like that cab driver. 

 

I don't think that teenage tik-tockers could handle stuff like this:

 

 

 

Wow.  Incredibly, there was one for Cannonball:

 

meanwhile,

 

the 80yr old rolling stones still dropping teaser ads in something called newspapers for an upcoming new album -- 🤷‍♂️😂

 

 

 

edit -- Rumored tracklist:

“Angry” *
“Bite my Head Off”
“Depending on You” *
“Dreamy Skies”
“Driving Me Too Hard”
“Get Close” *
“Live by the Sword”
“Mess it Up”
“Morning Joe Cues”
“Sweet Sounds of Heaven”
“Tell Me Straight”
“Whole Wide World”

 

Edited September 2, 20231 yr by mrnyc

1 hour ago, Lazarus said:

I don't think that teenage tik-tockers could handle stuff like this:

 

“Kids these days!”

On 9/1/2023 at 1:42 PM, Lazarus said:

 

There was beer advertising on MTV?  I have no recollection of that.  In fact I can't think of any commercials at all, other than MTV-specific promos and the interludes like that cab driver. 

 

I don't think that teenage tik-tockers could handle stuff like this:

 

Did Jim Jarmusch direct this ? Awsome commercial. 

 

Did Jim Jarmusch direct this gem ?

Edited September 2, 20231 yr by NsideProp
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3 hours ago, Lazarus said:

 

There was beer advertising on MTV?  I have no recollection of that.  In fact I can't think of any commercials at all, other than MTV-specific promos and the interludes like that cab driver. 

 

 

 

I have VHS tapes that had Molson and Labatt commercials on MTV in 1994 or '95. Probably Red Dog too.

 

I am just old enough to have had some of the Red beers but not old enough to have had a Dry beer.

Edited September 1, 20231 yr by GCrites

5 minutes ago, GCrites said:

 

I have VHS tapes that had Molson and Labatt commercials on MTV in 1994 or '95. Probably Red Dog too.

 

I am just old enough to have had some of the Red beers but not old enough to have had a Dry beer.

Haha I am also 45

19 minutes ago, GCrites said:

 

I have VHS tapes that had Molson and Labatt commercials on MTV in 1994 or '95. Probably Red Dog too.

 

I am just old enough to have had some of the Red beers but not old enough to have had a Dry beer.

 

A guy from Athens, OH bought www.buddry.com before Budweiser thought to and still has it.  I took some of the photos on the site. 

 

 

That kind of internet ruled.

17 hours ago, GCrites said:

That kind of internet ruled.

 

I'm sure that the link has been passed around amongst Budweiser higher-ups many times since 2007.   I'm sure the lawyers took a look at it.

 

It's a relic of when things were the complete opposite of now.  The monoculture was a rigid and known entity, against which the whole of the counter-culture was loosely aligned.  A complex economy existed outside of said monoculture where artists, musicians, etc. could make a living.  The internet promised to expand that DIY ecosystem but instead it completely destroyed it.  Look at all of these sad sacks on Youtube doing product endorsements while telling the story of DIY bands. Like the Punk Rock MBA guy - hey let's do a video on East Bay Hardore, brought to you by Square Space. 

 

That guy recommended this video recently.  It's trying to be a late 90s DIY video in 2021.  They wasted time finding a rotary dial phone and filming on VHS.  At least the narrative doesn't really make sense; otherwise, it's just not funny enough:

 

 

 

Somebody created a "Bogart's Memories" Facebook group and I subsequently spent 2-3 hours poking through the stubs and flyers.  The monthly calendars are simply incredible...action-packed.  I remember not going to a lot of stuff just because there was so much that you had to choose since you didn't have the $. 

 

 

 

Two shows:

 

 

 

 

 

A CD bootleg:

 

 

I went to this:

 

An all-local funk night...The Spoogie Boys went to St. X high school.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Elvis meets Bob Marley & does Zeppelin:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any particular reason why the '80s tickets ended in 75 cents? Megadeth gets 2 nights! And later that month -- Chastain... "The Cincinnati Shredder" as I call him.

2 hours ago, GCrites said:

Megadeth gets 2 nights!

 

Even crazier, The Goo Goo Dolls on Sunday May 22 back when they were a punk band who opened for punk bands.   I remember a coworker telling me awhile back that they were something other than a soft rock band back in the 80s and it messed with my head.  I didn't want to ever have to think about that band.  It wasn't until youtube came along that I was able to confirm their (mediocre) punk origins for myself.   They're probably the biggest sell-outs of the 1990s. 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Lazarus said:

 

Even crazier, The Goo Goo Dolls on Sunday May 22 back when they were a punk band who opened for punk bands.   I remember a coworker telling me awhile back that they were something other than a soft rock band back in the 80s and it messed with my head.  I didn't want to ever have to think about that band.  It wasn't until youtube came along that I was able to confirm their (mediocre) punk origins for myself.   They're probably the biggest sell-outs of the 1990s. 

 

 

I thought that was common knowledge.

 

 

On 9/2/2023 at 3:41 PM, Lazarus said:

The internet promised to expand that DIY ecosystem but instead it completely destroyed it. 

 

More like it helped it take over.  While the mainstream scene got more bland and generic, it's because the serious (or semi-serious) music fans could find more specifically what they wanted, and niches upon niches developed.

Re:  Bogarts.   Our group was already big into Icon after the ringleader discovered them.   We saw them at the Kent Draft House, which also hosted a lot of these bands.

 

I wonder whatever became of Savatage?   My daughter's been known to play the opening to Gutter Ballet.   

 

Oh yeah, they had some latter day success, now didn't they?

12 hours ago, E Rocc said:

Re:  Bogarts.   Our group was already big into Icon after the ringleader discovered them.   We saw them at the Kent Draft House, which also hosted a lot of these bands.

 

I wonder whatever became of Savatage?   My daughter's been known to play the opening to Gutter Ballet.   

 

Oh yeah, they had some latter day success, now didn't they?

 

Yeah, one of the weirdest and most unlikely stories in rock history. 

 

It kind of makes sense that The Aquabats and some of the other happy 90s pop acts like Smash Mouth have become children's acts.  Savatage was a bit more of a stretch. 

 

 

 

 

 

13 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

More like it helped it take over.  While the mainstream scene got more bland and generic, it's because the serious (or semi-serious) music fans could find more specifically what they wanted, and niches upon niches developed.

 

It's actually getting harder to know stuff is going on.  I feel like it's all the way back to word-of-mouth.  The internet is way too fractured.  I remember going into independent record stores and there being 50+ independent zines for sale.  You could page through these things and pretty quickly get a sense for what was going on around the country.  I remember the record stores on the east coast having magazines from England that weren't in the midwest.  These music zines were mixed in with independent feminist zines as well as skateboarding and bmx. 

 

There were also very small record labels that had their own storefronts where you could buy CD's directly.  Some of the labels had their own magazines.  There was a lot going on. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^It's terrible that Columbus no longer has a print alt-weekly. Most of what you needed to know was all in one place in a format you could just grab. Now you have to go to like 67 different websites, set up notifications and all kinds of crap. Too much work, too much stimuli, not enough action, too hard to promote events, more couchlock.

39 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

 

Yeah, one of the weirdest and most unlikely stories in rock history. 

 

It kind of makes sense that The Aquabats and some of the other happy 90s pop acts like Smash Mouth have become children's acts.  Savatage was a bit more of a stretch. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thing with Savatage is before they made the big switch their albums were really inconsistent. If people found out you liked them you hoped they didn't pick a bad one or else they'd wonder why you liked the band. I think they figured out that they'd hit on something when they made Gutter Ballet.

4 hours ago, GCrites said:

 

Thing with Savatage is before they made the big switch their albums were really inconsistent. If people found out you liked them you hoped they didn't pick a bad one or else they'd wonder why you liked the band. I think they figured out that they'd hit on something when they made Gutter Ballet.

 

I thought "After The Crowds Are Gone" was even better.    The same sound as GB with a dash of Jim Steinman.

5 hours ago, Lazarus said:

 

Yeah, one of the weirdest and most unlikely stories in rock history. 

 

It kind of makes sense that The Aquabats and some of the other happy 90s pop acts like Smash Mouth have become children's acts.  Savatage was a bit more of a stretch. 

 

 

Also Sarah Shannon from the grossly underrated Velocity Girl has a kiddie band called the Not-Its.

 

But yes, the only more unlikely story I can think of is Chumbawumba, pretty much the joke of the UK music scene, having a number one hit in the USA.

Edited September 6, 20231 yr by E Rocc

On 9/5/2023 at 4:29 PM, GCrites said:

^It's terrible that Columbus no longer has a print alt-weekly. Most of what you needed to know was all in one place in a format you could just grab. Now you have to go to like 67 different websites, set up notifications and all kinds of crap. Too much work, too much stimuli, not enough action, too hard to promote events, more couchlock.

 

when i met my spouse she lived in a small 4plex apt bldg in grandview. one of the main writers of ‘the other paper’ lived there and would have like campfire parties in the back yard with the alt paper staff and we would all sit around talk news of the day and all about that business.

 

years later there was this big scandal in the tweens internet media here in ny about who was the mystery person who was writing this new blog about the east village. it turns out it was one of those other paper backyard guys who i remember. i need to connect with him sometime.

On 9/4/2023 at 9:41 PM, GCrites said:

Any particular reason why the '80s tickets ended in 75 cents? Megadeth gets 2 nights! And later that month -- Chastain... "The Cincinnati Shredder" as I call him.

 

we just had friends visit from sf bay area who my spouse grew up with in dayton. years ago when they were all back at osu one worked at the street scene for a few years, so she met a lot of bands. she says one time megadeath was in there jibber jabbering and walked out without paying. so she ran down high st with the bill yelling, “mr. megadeath! mr. megadeath!” i guess they were nice and embarrassed they forgot and gave her a big tip. 😂

Wow, early Jane's Addiction opening for Iggy Pop:

 

Also, an early Afghan Whigs opening for...not-famous-yet-but-probably-totally-sucked Soul Asylum. 

 

Plus, yet another Suicidal Tendencies appearance.  They seem to have played Bogart's at least 15 times.  Like 3X each year. 

Edited September 15, 20231 yr by Lazarus

On 9/5/2023 at 2:45 AM, E Rocc said:

 

I thought that was common knowledge.

 

 

 

Hahaha, did the presence of the Goo Goo Dolls keep this from becoming Metal Massacre #27 or whatever and instead relegated it to being a mere "Sampler"?

7 hours ago, GCrites said:

 

Hahaha, did the presence of the Goo Goo Dolls keep this from becoming Metal Massacre #27 or whatever and instead relegated it to being a mere "Sampler"?

 

 

The thing about those compilation tapes and CD's was that they took so long to put together that half of the bands broke up by the time the thing came out.

 

 

 

I'd say half of Side 2 falls into that category.

On 9/16/2023 at 1:14 AM, Lazarus said:

 

 

The thing about those compilation tapes and CD's was that they took so long to put together that half of the bands broke up by the time the thing came out.

 

 

 

 

Y&T is still playing, a couple of my brother's bands have opened for them when they have played Cleveland.   Another is opening for the Godz when they arrive soon, speaking of throwback.

Edited September 18, 20231 yr by E Rocc

All of Side 1 is still around. Cannibal Corpse is too. A guy who used to hang out on a musicians' forum I go to joined Atheist for a reunion tour that was so sloppy that he got embarrassed and left. You don't usually see that with metal bands unless they make so much money that they can't keep from touring (cough, Motley Crue, cough).

55 minutes ago, GCrites said:

All of Side 1 is still around. Cannibal Corpse is too. A guy who used to hang out on a musicians' forum I go to joined Atheist for a reunion tour that was so sloppy that he got embarrassed and left. You don't usually see that with metal bands unless they make so much money that they can't keep from touring (cough, Motley Crue, cough).

 

I've heard that Geoff Tate's voice is basically shot but he still tours and not arenas like Motley Crue.  I almost went when he played the Beachland not long ago since it's so close.  

 

Speaking of which 1:  The Melvins played the Beachland Thursday night, selling out.  By chance, we were eating at Citizen Pie out front.  Plenty of people going there appeared to be younger than the band.  Not the members of the band, the band itself.

 

Speaking of which 2:  The Treelawn social club (old Slovenian Workman's Hall/Waterloo Brew/Packy's/Champions) just opened its larger hall.   Cindy Barber is a co-owner and she is duplicating the taven-ballroom model the Beachland uses.

Edited September 18, 20231 yr by E Rocc

1 hour ago, E Rocc said:

Speaking of which 1:  The Melvins played the Beachland Thursday night, selling out.  By chance, we were eating at Citizen Pie out front.  Plenty of people going there appeared to be younger than the band.  Not the members of the band, the band itself.

 

 

I'm really weirded out by the way that young people seem to know odd pockets of an old act's catalog, i.e. The Red Hot Chili Peppers, and their many bad releases since 2000 (and earlier), but not the stuff that they broke with.   It would be like only knowing 90s Aerosmith or (gasp!) Steel Wheels and after Rolling Stones. 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

 

I'm really weirded out by the way that young people seem to know odd pockets of an old act's catalog, i.e. The Red Hot Chili Peppers, and their many bad releases since 2000 (and earlier), but not the stuff that they broke with.   It would be like only knowing 90s Aerosmith or (gasp!) Steel Wheels and after Rolling Stones. 

 

 

 

 

A lot of times it's due to an appearance in a soundtrack, or sampling in a rap track.

11 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

A lot of times it's due to an appearance in a soundtrack, or sampling in a rap track.

 

Yeah.  Also, it might be impossible to actually stream straight-ahead albums with no interruptions, depending on the streaming service.  But I don't thing these people have any concept of listening to a record straight through, or that an artist ought to be revered for recording a 10-15 song album where every single song is great.  Or never forgiven for putting out a 1 for 10 or 1 for 15 record that cost $18 in 1997 dollars. 

 

It's always wild to trot out an old record that you didn't like and to give it another try.  Nope, it's still awful. 

 

 

 

The dilemma...the punk rock museum in Las Vegas claims to be an all-inclusive genre yet they had to draw the line and keep specific bands (Nazis, racist skin heads, etc.) out of the museum:

 

 

Terry Kirkman of The Association dies. I think song is the first time I heard the term "psychodrama." (although it goes back to the 1930's, I assumed it was just an invention of 60's psychobabble, like that very word 🥴)

 

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2023-09-24/terry-kirkman-death-association-singer

 

 

 

I didn't realize that one of the Marvelettes had also died  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/entertainment/2023/09/22/original-marvelettes-member-katherine-anderson-schaffner-has-died-at-age-79-motown-postman/70928988007/

 

 

not a real concert, but i saw mutiny in heaven aka the nick cave birthday party documentary this afternoon. it already came to cleveland. its doing more roadshow screenings now, but it will likely end up on netflix because it feels like a pbs/netflix type doc. a few cornball fill animations, but otherwise it was great. best of all only the band spoke, so that was a perfect tact to take.

 

if you dont know they were basically the death grips of the early 80s: 

 

https://www.birthdaypartymovie.com/