^ oh geez louize -- this girl, huh?  would you this boy if it was a boy?

4 hours ago, mrnyc said:

^ oh geez louize -- this girl, huh?  would you this boy if it was a boy?

 

Oh boy...

Genesis P. Orridge died today at 70. 
 

I could never get into Psychic TV, but Throbbing Gristle were always one of my favorites. So subversive, challenging and ahead of their time. I’ll be listening to them for the next week or so.

 

https://youtu.be/Y8klW9trVTQ

 

edit: I clearly don’t know how to post video properly and can’t work it out! Video is a phenomenal version of ‘Discipline’ shot in San Francisco around 1980. Bonus point if you can spot Jello Biafra in the crowd. 

 

Edited March 17, 20205 yr by roman totale XVII

^ yeah i saw psychic tv once just a few yrs ago, but tbh i didn't pay much attention. they played for gen's show at a museum. i used to see gen around once in awhile. i think he she whatever lived in the east village. a true quirky legend for sure. there are fewer and fewer interesting/extreme people anymore. well, that can't be true, but it seems like it.

1 hour ago, mrnyc said:

a true quirky legend for sure. there are fewer and fewer interesting/extreme people anymore. well, that can't be true, but it seems like it.

I think plenty of genuinely quirky people still exist, but only play out their lives in front of, or behind a camera. The extremities aren’t there nowadays. Not many make that kind of full-on, lifelong commitment to an idea or aesthetic anymore. 

I think a lot of today's quirky people are far less self-aware than ones from the 20th Century. Back then, even people who were slightly unusual were made to feel very weird due to monoculture. People with self-awareness knew immediately about their quirks and embraced them while being very particular in how they handled it around others and to be as properly-socialized as they could. Once the internet hit people were able to find communities for anything and everything. Between increased screen time (and it's accompanying social isolation) and not thinking you are weird even though you are actually very weird a phenomenon emerged.

rip cameroonian jazzman manu dibango who just died of corona in paris. 

 

he is known for soul makossa, the infectious booty moving earworm hit from 1972, which is famous for three things, for being the first disco song, for popularizing world beat music and for influencing a lot of later music, particularly one of micheal jackson’s many thriller album hits, wanna be starting something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

some new muzik for our times (nsfw)

 

 

 

My guy Jamel didn't grow up listening to a wide variety of music but he's quickly catching up. I really love these reaction videos I find them very moving. 

 

 

55 minutes ago, surfohio said:

My guy Jamel didn't grow up listening to a wide variety of music but he's quickly catching up. I really love these reaction videos I find them very moving.

 

Yeah I've run across this guy.  When you see the wide array of stuff the guy reviews it reminds you of just how much more recorded music is out there now than there was when I was a kid.  I picked up most rock & roll from the 60s and 70s (before I was born) through radio, but young people are barely hearing that stuff at all now because so much has been recorded just since 2000. 

On 12/26/2019 at 11:51 AM, GCrites80s said:

They talked about that on CD102.5 for days.

 

I am backing up by hard drives...I'm so damn organized that it took me less than a minute to find these photos from 13 years ago.  It's dark out but I assure that we are in fact in the Lennox Center Don Pablo's parking lot.  Here are two photos that illustrate that this event did actually take place...most of the rest of my photos were close-ups that don't describe the unlikely suburban context. 

 

 

 

 

Ugh.  Sinead was the greatest singing voice in the English speaking world from about 1988-1993.  She was so reckless with that voice, to say nothing of her general person, that she lost the edge that made her the once-per-generation talent that she was by 2000.  Even here (which is exceptionally good by post-2000 Sinead standards) she is only 70-80% of what she was at her youthful peak.  It didn't have to be this way.  Dolly Parton is 70+ and can still mow down an audience.  The problem with Sinead was that she just plain didn't care.  She was gifted the greatest singing voice of her generation and she can't shut up about eccentric topics and making erratic decisions in her personal life. 

 

 

By comparison, listen to the voice that existed in 1997.  Hey, let's go dabble in cigarettes and Islam because mum yelled at us a bunch back in 1970.  In the 90s you had Yanni At The Acropolis and then you had this.  

 

 

^ except nope thats not it at all. oconnor has had well known and significant mental health issues with bizarre behavior for decades. not to mention the years of chain smoking and whatever dope she used to self medicate herself.

 

i remember even just a few years ago she disappeared and sadly holed up in a crappy nj motel for awhile until somebody finally came to bring her back home. it made the news here and its no joke.

 

i mean really, what woman are you going to mock next, britney spears? come on man.

 

or at least save it for someone who deserves it -- like old diamond david lee roth here -- yikes!

 

https://metalinjection.net/video/watch-david-lee-roths-singing-voice-is-not-what-it-used-to-be-in-2020

 

 

8 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

or at least save it for someone who deserves it -- like old diamond david lee roth here -- yikes!

 

https://metalinjection.net/video/watch-david-lee-roths-singing-voice-is-not-what-it-used-to-be-in-2020

 

 

 

Oh, wow....that was really hard to listen to.

 

With all the trickery now available to get a singer sounding decent, it is quite shocking to hear someone so famous singing so terribly. 

31 minutes ago, surfohio said:

 

Oh, wow....that was really hard to listen to.

 

With all the trickery now available to get a singer sounding decent, it is quite shocking to hear someone so famous singing so terribly. 

Dave was never great live.   Even back in the day he was rough.  

He'd be better off trying less hard -- just going through the motions.

13 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

He'd be better off trying less hard -- just going through the motions.

 

 

mmmm, not sure even that would help!  ?

 

 

^ ha ha -- rad.

 

that kid reminds me of an australian king krule archy marshall 

 

 

 

end of summer music?

 

boston comes through as usual with this great retro poppy band. the singer sounds like chrissie hynde/claire grogan/siouxsie sioux:

 

 

https://sweepingpromises.bandcamp.com/album/hunger-for-a-way-out

 

 

Listening today to The Eagles.  Good old 70's music(the kind that I would back in the day have on 8 track and have run over and over in my stereo sitting on my faux wood metal stereo stand with the required variegated spider plant in a pot to put me to sleep at night lol)

17 hours ago, Toddguy said:

Listening today to The Eagles.  Good old 70's music(the kind that I would back in the day have on 8 track and have run over and over in my stereo sitting on my faux wood metal stereo stand with the required variegated spider plant in a pot to put me to sleep at night lol)

Funny I have been on an Eagles kick lately as well.   Since Joe Walsh is "adopted" by Cleveland, I've been hearing about him my entire life.  Only recently have I realized just what a great player he is!  

11 hours ago, Cleburger said:

Funny I have been on an Eagles kick lately as well.   Since Joe Walsh is "adopted" by Cleveland, I've been hearing about him my entire life.  Only recently have I realized just what a great player he is!  

 

I listened to the Eagles constantly in the late 70's along with...Peter Frampton...lol.  I don't know what was wrong with me with that second one.  I would go to sleep to either of those two playing.

 

Also listening to a lot of Steely Dan lately along with Quiet Storm stuff from the late 70's and 80's.

14 hours ago, Toddguy said:

 

I listened to the Eagles constantly in the late 70's along with...Peter Frampton...lol.  I don't know what was wrong with me with that second one.  I would go to sleep to either of those two playing.

 

There was nothing wrong with you.  Frampton's solo on the outro of "Do You Feel Like We Do?" is one of the greatest live rock solos EVER.  

let it all out with a little growling and yelling — via the original death grips — which is nick cave and the birthday party

 

 

4 hours ago, Cleburger said:

 

There was nothing wrong with you.  Frampton's solo on the outro of "Do You Feel Like We Do?" is one of the greatest live rock solos EVER.  

 

 

those twin brothers should do a first time listen with that frampton song. it would be like the one they did with phil collins in the air tonight lol.

 

there is only one steely dan song i can stand ... and i am ashamed to admit its this freakin earworm.

 

 

21 hours ago, Cleburger said:

 

There was nothing wrong with you.  Frampton's solo on the outro of "Do You Feel Like We Do?" is one of the greatest live rock solos EVER.  

I have caught hell before for admitting to the Frampton love lol.  I listened to Frampton Comes Alive more than anything else. I also attribute my little bit of hearing loss now to blasting Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc. on headphones(my parents were right-it has affected my hearing later in life lol.)

16 hours ago, mrnyc said:

 

 

those twin brothers should do a first time listen with that frampton song. it would be like the one they did with phil collins in the air tonight lol.

 

there is only one steely dan song i can stand ... and i am ashamed to admit its this freakin earworm.

 

 

I like literally everything they put out. I had only older brothers so I was influenced heavily by what they(and their friends) listened to-which is why I like stuff going back to the late 50's onward-it all seemed like it was "my time" music even though it preceded "my time*".

 

 

*"my time music" referring to that period of music that people identify so heavily with when they are young and all-usually nothing before or after will compare to it. I like all kinds of stuff from all time periods fortunately.

This guy made a 19 hour long Spotify playlist in commemoration of Thursdays Lounge in Akron since it recently closed. I know what I will be listening to for a while.

 

 

Edited September 8, 20204 yr by metrocity

^ are you sure it didnt close in 2005? ? — haha

 

but seriously, lots great music there — i will be playing it too.

 

they goofed on the justice song though, they should have played stress with the devo jocko homo sirens samples. that one was a gimmee!

 

this impressive fresh bad bunny video

 

 

 

For the past year or so I have slowly made my way through the entirety of Woodstock '99.  Tonight, out of nowhere, I spied this vintage digital camera...it is one of the Sony Mavicas but I couldn't figure out which one.  These things cost like $800 in 1999 which would be like $1,500 now...and the image quality was terrible.  I *SOLD* digital cameras in 2001-02 at a camera shop so I'm pretty familiar with the earliest ones.  

 

 

 

 

What's really amazing about watching Woodstock '99 (the complete footage) is that overall it's like the most festive thing that ever happened.  There was no agenda.  Overwhelmingly, the comments on these videos by the "I was there" people follow up with it was the most fun weekend of my life.  The uncut footage is just one mosh pit and one topless girl after another.  It's not violent or anything.  I distinctly recall Kurt Loder and the finger-wagging music press condemning this event immediately.  It was a preview of Twitter.  99% of it was just a harmless bash but somehow Kurt Loder managed to make it all about him.  The poor guy had all of this money but nobody in a band respected the guy. 

 

Like, Kurt Loder managed to blame everything on Fred Durst.  Watch the damn footage.  They played at like 6pm.  The fires happened a day later.  Like I said, Kurt Loder was a Twitter bully waiting to happen. 

 

 

 

 

The sound was really bad, particularly on the main stage.

8 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

For the past year or so I have slowly made my way through the entirety of Woodstock '99.  Tonight, out of nowhere, I spied this vintage digital camera...it is one of the Sony Mavicas but I couldn't figure out which one.  These things cost like $800 in 1999 which would be like $1,500 now...and the image quality was terrible.  I *SOLD* digital cameras in 2001-02 at a camera shop so I'm pretty familiar with the earliest ones. 

 

Not to get off topic, but something I've noticed when looking for old photos is that there is about a 5-10 year gap of quality photographs right around 2000 that seems to be the result of a combination of early, poor quality digital cameras and a lack of hard drive storage space. From the 90s on back there's always an original or negative somewhere that can be scanned at high resolution if needed. Once you get into the 2000s, every photo seems to be a 400x600 pixel jpg. This goes for things like family photos, as well as photos I've needed to refer to doing architectural work. I think historically, we're always going to have this gap where all the images are terrible.

1 hour ago, GCrites80s said:

The sound was really bad, particularly on the main stage.

 

I think there were two main stages.  I watched Rage Against The Machine's entire performance and their sound was pretty good, or at least it seemed so watching it on a desktop computer. 

 

25 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

Not to get off topic, but something I've noticed when looking for old photos is that there is about a 5-10 year gap of quality photographs right around 2000 that seems to be the result of a combination of early, poor quality digital cameras and a lack of hard drive storage space. From the 90s on back there's always an original or negative somewhere that can be scanned at high resolution if needed. Once you get into the 2000s, every photo seems to be a 400x600 pixel jpg. This goes for things like family photos, as well as photos I've needed to refer to doing architectural work. I think historically, we're always going to have this gap where all the images are terrible.

 

 

And if they did shoot film, much of the time it was on a terrible disposable camera.

24 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

Not to get off topic, but something I've noticed when looking for old photos is that there is about a 5-10 year gap of quality photographs right around 2000 that seems to be the result of a combination of early, poor quality digital cameras and a lack of hard drive storage space. From the 90s on back there's always an original or negative somewhere that can be scanned at high resolution if needed. Once you get into the 2000s, every photo seems to be a 400x600 pixel jpg. This goes for things like family photos, as well as photos I've needed to refer to doing architectural work. I think historically, we're always going to have this gap where all the images are terrible.

 

Yeah I'd agree.  I remember losing the first digital images I ever took - they were taken with one of those digital cameras with a 3.5" floppy.  It was obviously also really easy to totally blow it with film cameras - opening up the back of the camera, screwing up while processing, etc.  There was always the danger of running out of film, too.  Like I ran out of film at this party in 1997 before the couches were piled up and set alight and the girls took their clothes off.  

 

There was a lot of interest back then in the ability to make an acceptable print up to 8x10 inches.  Then social media came along and nobody cared about printing digital photos anymore.  I am still slumming with a circa-2009 Canon 5D Mark II DSLR.  I just got a brand-new iMac with the 4k display and suddenly all of those images are so much better.

16 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Yeah I'd agree.  I remember losing the first digital images I ever took - they were taken with one of those digital cameras with a 3.5" floppy.  It was obviously also really easy to totally blow it with film cameras - opening up the back of the camera, screwing up while processing, etc.  There was always the danger of running out of film, too.  Like I ran out of film at this party in 1997 before the couches were piled up and set alight and the girls took their clothes off.  

 

 

 

The girls don't take their clothes off anymore since every person in the room has a camera on them and the ability to broadcast the pictures. Either that or I'm too old.

45 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

 

The girls don't take their clothes off anymore since every person in the room has a camera on them and the ability to broadcast the pictures. Either that or I'm too old.

 

Yeah a stray nipple on your Instagram feed sends you to Facebook Jail, or something.  

 

These people are more worried about Facebook Jail than real jail.  

 

does anybody even make real music videos anymore?

 

in honor of the recent release of the trailer for the new denis villeneuve dune movie -- 

 

-- here are the police mocking capitalism and suburbia, 80s style.

 

they made this while sting was in full feyd ratha character in the middle of the shoot for david lynch's version of dune.

 

 

 

Wow, the music press is all in on nostalgia for Radiohead's Kid A.  I hadn't listened to it in 15 years so I dug into my CD collection and put it on. 

 

Wow - just as soggy and dragging and boring as I remembered.  Plus, I realized what a blatant but inferior Iggy Pop ripoff the third track is, The National Anthem.  It's a straight ripoff of the B-side of 1970's Funhouse, where a berry sax shows up and the whole thing dissolves into a 3-4-5 minute "jam", and I use those parentheses derisively.   And the fourth song has the same sort of annoying orchestral synth swells that made some of the later 1970s Pink Floyd stuff not-good. 

 

The chord voicings are not complex.  These damn tracks present themselves as being sophisticated but they're not.  This band and whoever produced it don't know how to color a song.  I mean, bring in somebody who understands chords, substitutions, pedal tones.  Either dig up Stan Kenton or borrow Paul Simon for 30 minutes.  Synth swells are always the sign of desperation. 

 

The drone attempt on "Optimistic" is weak compared to, say, The Velvet Underground's Venus in Furs.  I can tell they're just screwing around with an open E or open A string...you know basically the first thing you "discover" when you get an electric guitar when you're 14. 

 

In track #7 we get what I believe is a Fender Rhodes run through a delay pedal...we get a hint at maybe something like Pink Floyd's epic Echoes jam but instead was get mushy "layering".  I don't want layers.  I want balls.  I mean, "layering" sounds like you're doing a "collaboration".   I mean, go work over in human resources, already.  Lead that breakout session. The song ends in a mess because they couldn't figure out how to wind down a mess. 

 

Ooh and here we get that annoying drum sequencer on "Idioteche".   Now, more not-compelling droning.  If you're going to drone, drone.  Another song they couldn't figure out how to end.  That's the problem with sequenced drums...once you press go on a manic drum pattern how do you turn it off? 

 

Like, people want to think that this singer is beautiful and tender and haunting and all that.  No, he's not.  He's none of those things.  He's like the opposite of Roy Orbison.  He's not even half as good as...Bono.  

 

This album should have been a flop.  I have no idea how it got popular. 

 

 

 

 

^^ Radiohead is maybe the most overrated band of all time. Kid A and OK Computer are turgid, onanistic drags. i just do not understand what people see in them.

Progressive Rock made by people who weren't old at the time

^ TBF the original prog rockers were young too when they created the genre!
I’ve always struggled with Radiohead, they can make some of the most fabulous songs, I think ‘Pyramid Song’ is one of the greatest things ever recorded. I can’t listen to any of their albums though, with the exception of ‘OK Computer’. They’re generally tentative, tedious and sound half-finished. ‘The Bends’ is second only to ‘Pet Sounds’ as the most overrated album ever. 

"‘The Bends’ is second only to ‘Pet Sounds’ as the most overrated album ever."

 

I love Kid A. I had just gotten my drivers license that year. My sister's car I would borrow only had a tape deck and this was one of the few albums I had on cassette. So maybe it's nostalgia. It's good background music. I do like a lot of their other stuff though. Tom York is really passionate about it, I can get behind that.  

1 hour ago, roman totale XVII said:

^ TBF the original prog rockers were young too when they created the genre!
 

I should have been more clear -- I meant young when the Radiohead records came out. So Pink Floyd, Genesis and Yes were already in their 40s by the mid-'90s.

11 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

The chord voicings are not complex.  These damn tracks present themselves as being sophisticated but they're not.  

 

That twerp Jacob Collier was on NPR this morning.  The guy is a useful arranger since he understands chords and other arranging features like cycling through key changes like the classic Broadway numbers did, and he's a decent although not spectacular jazz pianist, but his songwriting is just style pastiches and the clever arranging turns don't distract a good listener from the central truth that there is not a real artist (or innovator) behind the sounds we're hearing.  

 

So somebody texted or emailed into the show and basically said what I just wrote and young Mr. Collier came back with a bunch of gobbly-gook about how as a teenager he took jazz "as far as it could go" and he's a product of his time because computers "are a canvass".  

 

No - Jacob Collier is what happens when a kid keeps being called he's "gifted" from age 8 onward and can't write a real song because he goes into a gifted-land bubble.  It's the complete opposite of the environment rock & roll comes out of.  You have everyone telling you to shut up, not telling you how great you are.