I don't if I'd call it favorite, but if you like this kind of music (I do, sometimes) this is shockingly good.  It also may max out the "cultural appropriation" scales.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE-HG0RM8lw

Heh. I used to be a hip-hop head but I honestly don't really care for rap, anymore. I hate mumble rap and I despise auto-tune. I probably stopped listening to rap almost all-together about 10 years ago. I think I know why. There just isn't the rage and rawness that there used to be, in rap in the late 90s- 2000s. I was reminded recently of this, after hearing the remix of Chloroseptic, originally from Eminem's new album. The slim shady we all know and love, came back to life At 2:38 after critics responded to his new album. Inspiration fueled by hate. IMO, that's what rap is all about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg1O_fs7SzE

 

Rap was REALLY good when it was about "The Man" but when it became "The Man" that's where the trouble started. It was "The Man" from about 1999 to 2007 but you could see it as early as 1996. Everything else had to be rap (metal, country) or be completely ignored by the mainstream. That was too much outside influence. It's sort of like how a lot of early rap songs had guitar solos forced on them when the solos weren't necessary.

 

All of that is over now that there is no mainstream. Music is allowed to be itself. Also Mumble Rap is no good but so is Mumble Everything Else like Alt-J.

I was a bit too young for 90s rap but looking back it seems there was some good stuff around. But then I got to high school and the mainstream rap was horrible (2003-2006). It then got better when I was in college when Lil Wayne and Kanye were popular... I enjoyed their stuff. Kanye is obviously crazy but I think he was one of the best ever and changed the genre for the better. Now it's just gotten horrible again.

 

I'm sure there is good underground-ish stuff out there but I'm too oblivious to know what it is. I think people like Chance the Rapper are probably pretty good but I'm not really inclined to even try it.

You guys will think I’m a loser but anybody ever heard of Phutureprimitve? Or like that music for that matter?

You guys will think Im a loser but anybody ever heard of Phutureprimitve? Or like that music for that matter?

 

I've never heard of them but since you mentioned them, I looked them up on Youtube and skimmed through their last album. Not usually my type of music but I enjoyed it. Definitely something I'd listen to if I was in the right mood. What genre is that considered to be?

 

 

It's sort of like how a lot of early rap songs had guitar solos forced on them when the solos weren't necessary.

 

Early on, rap was presented as novelty music or party music.  Public Enemy got fairly popular and so set the stage for gangster rap becoming the preferred music of white jocks. 

 

I was a kid when the wigger thing happened.  You'd remember these guys wearing Guns N Roses shirts last year and then all the sudden they were strutting around in overalls with the strap down and a sideways baseball hat.  These guys didn't even know any black people. 

 

What was crazy is how the power of the wigger "movement" was so strong that it even infiltrated Catholic schools.  There were guys at the blue collar all-boys Catholic high schools in Cincinnati acting like they were in gangs and talking about "the projects".  It was totally and completely ridiculous. 

bandwagon jumpers

Almost all of the current rap music is garbage mumble rap.

 

This is essentially what every new rap song sounds like to me:

 

 

If you can actually decipher some of what those mumble rappers are saying, you'll notice almost all of their songs are about popping pills. What a great thing to glorify to youngsters, as our nation is going through a horrible opiate epidemic. Rappers in the late 80s and early 90s were heavily scrutinized but they didn't rap about smoking crack. In fact, they rapped about how horrible that epidemic was.

Whoa.  Mega-whoa.  KISS's Vinnie Vincent emerges from 20+ years of seclusion...he's now a she:

It sounds like Vinny doesn't have to work. Did being in KISS for a couple years then a few solo records really pay enough for a life of luxury?

It sounds like Vinny doesn't have to work. Did being in KISS for a couple years then a few solo records really pay enough for a life of luxury?

 

No.  I imagine that (s)he is more or less dead-broke with no more royalties coming in and wants to get the surgery. 

 

Dennis Wilson (Beach Boys) never finished the vocal tracks for this song, recorded in 1974. As it turns out, the drummer for the Foo Fighters has an eerily similar voice, and so he actually finished the track. It's pretty interesting musically, sounding more to me like a lost Beatles or John Lennon song.

 

 

 

It appears the UK is on a 20 year music cycle as well and Britpop is making a comeback:

 

someone help me break my Hamilton addiction :(. Watch three real life sisters (so it's claimed) as the Schuyler Sisters performing in a "historic" theme park in Utah invoking colonial Manhattan, with mountains in the background! lol There must a 12-step group for this :'(

I think I'm the only person on the planet who thought Hamilton was lame.

I think I'm the only person on the planet who thought Hamilton was lame.

 

You and Mike Pence :)

^ lol great company I'm in. But seriously, I do not understand what all the hype is about. The story is almost entirely driven by the lyrics of the songs instead of the action on the stage, and many of the songs sound like cheesy Drake covers or something. Add in the little sister love triangle sub-plot, and the whole thing felt pretty lame to me. My only thought is that most of the people who go to see Hamilton are otherwise pretty unfamiliar with hip hop, so it feels cool and fresh to them in the context of a musical. I like some musicals quite a bit, and I think the story of Alexander Hamilton is interesting, but the overwhelming popularity of the show is perplexing to me.

someone help me break my Hamilton addiction :(. Watch three real life sisters (so it's claimed) as the Schuyler Sisters performing in a "historic" theme park in Utah invoking colonial Manhattan, with mountains in the background! lol There must a 12-step group for this :'(

 

I have only listened to the soundtrack a few times, not yet seen the show, but this was one of the songs that stood out to me. The soundtrack is so long because the show is sung through the entire way, it can be a lot to absorb the first couple of listens.

Yeah, I haven't seen the play but what I've heard of the soundtrack is really boring.  The quality of the music in musicals as well as Hollywood movies is way, way lower now than during the heyday of musicals. 

 

I was forced to watch Moana with my niece a few months ago.  Absolutely terrible music to go with a disorganized, ugly movie. 

 

 

 

Yeah, I haven't seen the play but what I've heard of the soundtrack is really boring.  The quality of the music in musicals as well as Hollywood movies is way, way lower now than during the heyday of musicals. 

 

I was forced to watch Moana with my niece a few months ago.  Absolutely terrible music to go with a disorganized, ugly movie. 

 

Then you'll really hate Hamilton because the Moana soundtrack was done by...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin-Manuel_Miranda#2015%E2%80%9316:_Hamilton:_An_American_Musical

^^ are you sure we aren't in a current heydey of musicals? There have been quite a few massive mainstream successes in recent years.

 

Hamilton is a bit boring on the soundtrack because they rap through every line of the play, and I think it's hard to get into if you haven't seen it. They ought to release an abridged version.

^Did not know that.  I'll reserve judgement of the play until I see it, but Moana was an objectively bad movie.  I didn't care about any of the characters, the whole motive for the cross-sea adventure was flimsy, the music was harsh and forgettable, and whatever that monster thing was at the end was flipping scary. 

They call it a sung-through musical. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sung-through

 

I haven't seen Hamilton yet either, but listening to the soundtrack it seems like they rap through parts that most musicals would just have speaking lines. Then, they put all of it on the album, where most musicals would leave all those speaking parts off the album. So it makes for a really long and drawn out album.

 

Haven't seen Moana.

I thought the play also felt long. There were something like 17 songs an act.

^Did not know that.  I'll reserve judgement of the play until I see it, but Moana was an objectively bad movie.  I didn't care about any of the characters, the whole motive for the cross-sea adventure was flimsy, the music was harsh and forgettable, and whatever that monster thing was at the end was flipping scary. 

 

Wow, no accounting for taste, I guess.  I thought Moana was great--not as good as Frozen, but definitely a worthy addition to the Disney musical canon.

(I didn't care for Frozen)

I can't believe that, but I'll ... let it go.

I didn't see Star Wars until I was 33

I can't believe that, but I'll ... let it go.

 

Fact for today: The guy that wrote "Let It Go" also wrote "Hasa Diga Ebowai" for "The Book Of Mormon".

 

Don't look it up at work lol.

I can't believe that, but I'll ... let it go.

 

Heh.

 

Honestly, I could never get the hype of that movie.  I mean, it was okay but it didn't seem it should've been the phenomenon it became.  There have been plenty of female-empowerment films from Disney prior (Princess & the Frog, Brave, etc).  I mean, they got rid of the Maelstrom at EPCOT for it. #ShameDisneySHAME!

This is the most insanely Aussie/bogan thing I have ever seen.

 

 

I mean, they got rid of the Maelstrom at EPCOT for it. #ShameDisneySHAME!

 

 

ColDayMan[/member] Back, Elsa! Back! Over the falls with you!

 

I mean, they got rid of the Maelstrom at EPCOT for it. #ShameDisneySHAME!

 

Wait, noooo. That, the boat ride at Mexico, and the outdated 360 degree movie at Canada were seriously some of my favorite attractions at Epcot! I haven't seen Frozen, but I hate it simply because of this.

Exactly.  You should ALL hate Frozen!  It killed a Disney legend with a dumb@ss snowman and two ex-GAP shoppers posing as princesses in "Norway" (aka Timmins, Ontario).

That kid on the left's horizontal-striped Op shirt gives us an idea of how old the Maelstrom was

 

Hamilton is a bit boring on the soundtrack because they rap through every line of the play, and I think it's hard to get into if you haven't seen it. They ought to release an abridged version.

 

here, you want an abridged version? Once again I'm calling on my esteemed high school's choir (a motley crew if there ever was one; and geez, we never got to do cool stuff like this back in my day. Well, that was the Pleistocene era) for this medley of Hamilton "hits." The sound and video quality are really poor (in other words, a typical school presentation). But Lisa DeSpain, apparently the official arranger, commented that she liked it, although maybe she's required to say that whenever someone actually uses her sheet music. You can just skip to 1:20 for the start if interested, and it ends at 14:08 (only 13 minutes!). btw, is anyone going to Hamilton when it comes to Playhouse Square in July? (is that right?) (I'm guessing that edale probably won't be there :()

 

Ugh.  They sold out Riverfront Stadium.  Now they're doing cruises:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/magazine/2018/01/30/four-days-sea-with-new-kids-block-and-everlasting-fans/5dOy0uizevO7hEMKgsB3rM/story.html

 

So if they're getting just $100 off each ticket, and there are 3,000 women on that boat, they're hauling $300,000 for less than a week in the Gulf of Mexico.  They're likely bringing in much more than that, likely $1 million, so more than $300 per ticket. 

I just have a random question for some of the older folks on this forum. I'm asking here because this thread I started is the only music-oriented thread within the forum so it seems appropriate.

 

How is it that no one in the 80s had any sort of hunch that George Michael was gay? I actually really like some of his music so I've seen a couple of his music videos on YouTube and it's very obvious to me that he's gay, by his mannerisms and style. Is it because so many musicians in the 80s were androgynous or flirting with androgyny and blurred lines to the extent that he just blended in?

 

I'm being totally serious. It seems like he'd be one of those musicians who would come out and no one makes a big deal out of it at all because they just knew all along and no one cared.

People didn't want people to be gay back then. People suspected Rob Halford from Judas Priest was gay but then they were like "Nah, he's in a Metal band. Metal isn't gay. The rest of the band isn't gay and they dress the same." The '90s came along and he came out. Boy George, Elton John and the singer from Dead or Alive were gay and people were like "This is so gay" and tuned it out. Meatheads ruled in the '80s and it showed with people's attitudes. Meatheads didn't really relinquish control of society until 2007 when the combined hipster and nerd force displaced them.

Interesting.

 

The lead singer of Red Hot Chili Peppers turned out to be bi. I know there were rumors of him being gay... Doesn't change the fact that he contributed to some really good music but I wonder if rumors prior to him admitting being bisexual transpired to worse sales. I always liked the Chili Peppers.

 

I'm 31 so I'm on the fringe of being a Millennial. If you ask a lot of Millennials, I bet they'd say a lot of metal bands seem really gay if they were to watch their videos. Going back to Led Zeppelin, as a matter of fact.

 

Not that there's anything wrong with it; it's just that for the younger generation looking at the footage, a lot of those old rockers looked or acted effeminate but it appears that no one even noticed that at the time. I think that's really interesting.

 

 

Were people shocked to learn that Freddy Mercury was gay.  I mean the bad was called Queen after all.  ;D

Were people shocked to learn that Freddy Mercury was gay.  I mean the bad was called Queen after all.  ;D

 

Right!?

 

Heh. It seems like gay guys end up being the best vocalists, for some reason. I'd definitely put Freddy and George Michael in the top five.

 

I love the 'Stones.

 

 

When I was a kid, I always thought it was, "I'll never leave...your pizza burnin..." So that's what I'd sing to customers when I managed the Donatos in the Short North and customers would come up to me and complain to me that their pizza was burned the last time they ordered.

 

Yeah last weekend I was talking to some dude who plays in a pretty mediocre band...he declared he hates the Rolling Stones.  Well buddy maybe that's why your band sucks so hard.  He also declared that he hates Lou Reed.  Well, strike 2.  What next?  Bob Dylan sucks?  The Doors? 

 

Unfortunately most of the stuff that has come out of Cincinnati that I've seen for the past 10 years has been pretty soggy.  Just a lot of confused, meek characters who have all of the wrong musical influences.  The problem is that as time progresses the sheer volume of recorded music is just getting too massive.  It's tough for someone who is 20 right now to have heard the bands with 25+ good songs because they're so distracted by the 5,000 with zero good songs. 

CLE's music scene is 100x better. After all, they have the Rock Hall and they're the birth place of Rock and Roll!

Unfortunately most of the stuff that has come out of Cincinnati that I've seen for the past 10 years has been pretty soggy.  Just a lot of confused, meek characters who have all of the wrong musical influences.  The problem is that as time progresses the sheer volume of recorded music is just getting too massive.  It's tough for someone who is 20 right now to have heard the bands with 25+ good songs because they're so distracted by the 5,000 with zero good songs.

 

Why is the music scene in Cincinnati / Dayton so weak nowadays? In the 70's and 80's, Dayton (and Cincinnati to a much lesser extent) were known for producing many top funk musicians. Cincinnati magazine has an article describing the scene: http://www.cincinnatimagazine.com/artsmindsblog/is-dayton-the-world-capital-of-funk/

 

How was this area able to create so many amazing artists then, but few now? This youtube documentary on Dayton funk ascribes the downfall of the music scene to two main causes. First deteriorating race relations and white flight damaged the energy and diversity of the original scene and removed a market for a lot of the clubs. Second Dayton's budget problems caused them to cut funding to their school music programs, which previously had been a direct source of most of the funk talent.

 

Are these still the causes of the weakness of our music scene? We have an amazing asset in CCM, but my impression is it doesn't produce many musicians in popular music. Jeff Austin of Yonder Mountain String Band is the only graduate that I'm aware of.

Yeah last weekend I was talking to some dude who plays in a pretty mediocre band...he declared he hates the Rolling Stones.  Well buddy maybe that's why your band sucks so hard.  He also declared that he hates Lou Reed.  Well, strike 2.  What next?  Bob Dylan sucks?  The Doors? 

 

Unfortunately most of the stuff that has come out of Cincinnati that I've seen for the past 10 years has been pretty soggy.  Just a lot of confused, meek characters who have all of the wrong musical influences.  The problem is that as time progresses the sheer volume of recorded music is just getting too massive.  It's tough for someone who is 20 right now to have heard the bands with 25+ good songs because they're so distracted by the 5,000 with zero good songs. 

 

 

Score one for gatekeeping and the A&R men of the past.

CLE's music scene is 100x better. After all, they have the Rock Hall and they're the birth place of Rock and Roll!

 

Is that white rapper with the I-71 tattoo still going?  Or did he move back in with his mom? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Score one for gatekeeping and the A&R men of the past.

 

I think it's actually harder than ever to get "discovered" now.  If you weren't on the Disney Channel as a kid or didn't have some sort of video go viral, you're doomed.  There is no mystery anymore, no urban legends.  Bands can't possibly have a mystique when you can look up the individual members on Facebook and see them at their cousin's First Communion cookout.