http://www.wlwt.com/video/21468523/

^Interesting. The casino wouldn't open until 2012? I was expecting a temporary tent setup deal.

 

They're saying the right things about integrating it within the neighborhood. Easier said than done, but may be the Urban Review Board help with that.

 

Not building it as a bunker or a bio-sphere was what I wanted to hear.

They're saying the right things about integrating it within the neighborhood.

I believe that is a two way street.  The casino should work well with the surrounding neighborhood and businesses, but at the same time I believe that the businesses need to adapt and do the things that will cater to the casino patrons and employees as well.  It isn't enough to simply open the doors--we have to create offerings that will make people want to make the surrounding community part of there stop while here for the casino (and other venues as well). 

 

Bottom line, the casino will do more for OTR and Pendleton than a parking lot ever did.  If they had realistic alternatives, then that would be one thing, but simply saying we would like boutiques or a Kroger isn't enough when there has never even been a proposal.  The casino is ready to go and I fear that if some of those who are against it get there way, we will be staring at a parking lot for years to come.

Who owns Broadway commons? Have the owners said they would sale to a casino outfit?

this will definetly improve the economy and to many ohio residents are reluctant for actual change but so quick to complain about everything

I guess so.  When the people literally have the power to help save a small town without putting forth any more effort than coloring in a circle, and choose not to, I consider that to be criminal.

 

Wow, whose payroll are you on?  :?

 

There are many towns in Ohio worse off than Wilmington. It's not as if Wilmington is the redheaded stepchild of Ohio towns and we're all purposely leaving it behind.

Have the owners said they would sale to a casino outfit?

It has been optioned.  That means that a no on the Casino is a YES on parking lot.

Its ironic that one of the arguments to vote no on Issue 9 ...amending the Charter for something that should be policy...also applies to casinos, where the Ohio constitution is being amended instead of policy being set by state law.

 

 

The older Casino Gaming Discussion thread dating from 2004 has been cleaned up and merged with the newer gaming thread in this section. 

Casino bill up against deadline

Lawmakers grapple with key issues, assure legislation will pass to advance development

 

The Ohio Legislature has less than a month to pass a bill that will set oversight for the four casinos voters approved last November, but because several key issues haven't been resolved, a bill has not even been introduced.

 

State Rep. Kenny Yuko of Richmond Heights, who is one of the Democratic legislators drafting the casino-enabling legislation, said he hopes to have a joint House-Senate bill ready for introduction when the General Assembly reconvenes this week after an election hiatus.

 

“I didn't realize how damned complicated these things are,” Rep. Yuko said as he ticked off the issues he has yet to resolve in the expected bill. “We've been working on it since November.”

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20100510/SUB1/305109985/1006/FIN

Why does Ohio always do something half assed. No free drinks.

good.

Why does Ohio always do something half assed. No free drinks.

 

The casinos in Indiana don't give free alcohol.

In my experience, Oregon Indian Casinos don't give out free alcoholic beverages. Sure there is a free self serve soda fountain, but the booze stays in the bar.

 

I don't understand why some people are upset about it. It's not like there is another casino 2 blocks away comping drinks to get people in the door. These casinos are the one and only one for a hundred mile radius (more or less).

good.

 

Agreed!

The Indian casinos in Arizona give out comp drinks.  It's really a shame that the moralists in this state prevent businesses from really succeeding.  We finally get a casino and it's going to be so tame that it won't do nearly as well as it could.

The Indian casinos in Arizona give out comp drinks.  It's really a shame that the moralists in this state prevent businesses from really succeeding.  We finally get a casino and it's going to be so tame that it won't do nearly as well as it could.

 

And what research are you basing that on?  Show me some numbers that support your position.

The Indian casinos in Arizona give out comp drinks. It's really a shame that the moralists in this state prevent businesses from really succeeding. We finally get a casino and it's going to be so tame that it won't do nearly as well as it could.

 

And what research are you basing that on? Show me some numbers that support your position.

 

Numbers?  How about 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42?  I don't need numbers, simply look at how long it took us to finally legalize gambling.  Look at the indoor smoking ban we recently passed.  Look at the other blue laws that have been in place for decades, especially concerning alcohol.  This state is incredibly restrictive of personal and business freedoms.

It's interesting you brought up the smoking ban.  Maybe it's the type of people we are, but the smoking ban is part of the reason we are so excited about the new casino in Cincinnati.  A lot of people we know are also pretty stoked about the idea of being able to actually breathe and avoid getting red eye at a casino.  Chain smoking by people in Kentucky and Indiana is the big reason we rarely cross the borders.

The Indian casinos in Arizona give out comp drinks.  It's really a shame that the moralists in this state prevent businesses from really succeeding.  We finally get a casino and it's going to be so tame that it won't do nearly as well as it could.

 

And what research are you basing that on?  Show me some numbers that support your position.

 

Numbers?  How about 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42?  I don't need numbers, simply look at how long it took us to finally legalize gambling.  Look at the indoor smoking ban we recently passed.  Look at the other blue laws that have been in place for decades, especially concerning alcohol.  This state is incredibly restrictive of personal and business freedoms.

 

OK Hugo!  But you're avoiding the question.  You have no numbers of facts.  It's your personal opinion.

 

What the hell has smoking got to do with this?  I go out more than ever because I don't have to worry about 2nd hand smoking.  I glad there will be no drinking as I doubt I'll have to worry about some drunk idiot spoiling my night while I'm trying to win big at the craps table!

The Indian casinos in Arizona give out comp drinks.  It's really a shame that the moralists in this state prevent businesses from really succeeding.  We finally get a casino and it's going to be so tame that it won't do nearly as well as it could.

 

And what research are you basing that on?  Show me some numbers that support your position.

 

Numbers?  How about 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42?  I don't need numbers, simply look at how long it took us to finally legalize gambling.  Look at the indoor smoking ban we recently passed.  Look at the other blue laws that have been in place for decades, especially concerning alcohol.  This state is incredibly restrictive of personal and business freedoms.

 

OK Hugo!  But you're avoiding the question.  You have no numbers of facts.  It's your personal opinion.

 

What the hell has smoking got to do with this?  I go out more than ever because I don't have to worry about 2nd hand smoking.  I glad there will be no drinking as I doubt I'll have to worry about some drunk idiot spoiling my night while I'm trying to win big at the craps table!

 

I'm not sure what you're asking for even makes sense.  This isn't something that needs to be quantified.  The proof is in the way this state's populace has voted over the years on these issues.

 

As for your comments (and those of bfwissel), that's all anecdotal.  If there were a true demand for non-smoking bars and casinos, the free market would ensure that such an option existed.  I'm a non-smoker and I hated coming home from the bars reeking of smoke, but I realize how detrimental such anti-business laws to our country.

 

Going back to my Arizona example.  Even though the state has an indoor smoking ban, Indian casinos are exempt (for good reasons). 

 

If we're not hoping for these casinos to attract people from outside of the region, then what's the point?  All we'll be doing is shifting entertainment dollars around.  If we want these casinos to truly be successful, we need to find out just how loose the gambling regulations of our neighbor states are, and attempt to "one up" them.  If that means allowing for drinking until 4am, smoking, and comped drinks, etc., than that's what we should do.

Let's see, on one hand, driving 2.5 hours to a casino where I can smoke and still drink at 4am vs not having to drive, no smoking, but having to stop drinking at 2:30am.  Seems like a no brainer!

Let's see, on one hand, driving 2.5 hours to a casino where I can smoke and still drink at 4am vs not having to drive, no smoking, but having to stop drinking at 2:30am. Seems like a no brainer!

 

Argosy has a hotel if I'm not mistaken. :)

Ohio Lottery's Keno game fell well short of initial projections, in part because they used Michigan (before its smoking ban) to set those projections for Ohio, a non-smoking state.  Apples and oranges.  It turns out that being able to sit there and focus on the game continuously, w/o having to get up for outdoor smoke breaks, was essential to the game's success.

Vegas will always be Vegas because of its lack of restriction on other vices. Vegas knows that people can gamble almost anywhere these days, but they can't gamble AND smoke AND get free drinks AND have no open container law AND have no alcohol-restricted hours AND be able to buy a few hours with a lady after a big win. Plus, lots of people go to Vegas for the eye candy. There's hot chicks everywhere there in contrast to the buses of seniors that fill Midwestern casinos.

Vegas will always be Vegas because of its lack of restriction on other vices. Vegas knows that people can gamble almost anywhere these days, but they can't gamble AND smoke AND get free drinks AND have no open container law AND have no alcohol-restricted hours AND be able to buy a few hours with a lady after a big win. Plus, lots of people go to Vegas for the eye candy. There's hot chicks everywhere there in contrast to the buses of seniors that fill Midwestern casinos.

 

Cleveland will obviously never be Vegas and we're not competing with them for visitors.  But that doesn't mean that we should still half-ass this casino effort, because we're still competing on a regional level with casinos in the surrounding state.  We should be one-upping them so maybe some people will make the trip to visit.  Just my opinion, though if it were up to me we would have legalized gambling 30+ years ago and never gotten ourselves into this predicament in the first place.

the free market would ensure that such an option existed

 

I don't think the free market is quite as efficient as you think it is.  Everything I've seen tells me that restaurant business has been better since the smoking ban went into effect.  Maybe, as it turns out, the status quo was so comfortable in regards to smoking that the magical "free market" never corrected it.

Cleveland will obviously never be Vegas and we're not competing with them for visitors.  But that doesn't mean that we should still half-ass this casino effort, because we're still competing on a regional level with casinos in the surrounding state.  We should be one-upping them so maybe some people will make the trip to visit.  Just my opinion, though if it were up to me we would have legalized gambling 30+ years ago and never gotten ourselves into this predicament in the first place.

 

By that reasoning maybe we should allow 24x7 free alcohol, smoking, legalize prostitution and illicit drugs too ;).  Where could we go wrong with that?

the free market would ensure that such an option existed

 

I don't think the free market is quite as efficient as you think it is.  Everything I've seen tells me that restaurant business has been better since the smoking ban went into effect.  Maybe, as it turns out, the status quo was so comfortable in regards to smoking that the magical "free market" never corrected it.

 

Actually, a lot of restaurants did have non-smoking sections.  The market worked fine, but of course this wasn't enough for the anti-smoking special interest groups who insisted upon forcing adult establishments such as bars and nightclubs to abstain from allowing patrons to smoke, too.

 

By that reasoning maybe we should allow 24x7 free alcohol, smoking, legalize prostitution and illicit drugs too ;).  Where could we go wrong with that?

 

My views are more extreme than most, but I would actually support allowing all of that (besides some hard drugs, perhaps), with or without affiliation to any casino.  Our government nannies us way too much.

 

Actually, a lot of restaurants did have non-smoking sections.  The market worked fine, but of course this wasn't enough for the anti-smoking special interest groups who insisted upon forcing adult establishments such as bars and nightclubs to abstain from allowing patrons to smoke, too.

 

The market worked fine for who?  Not non smokers as 2nd hand smoke engulfed non smoking areas.

 

By that reasoning maybe we should allow 24x7 free alcohol, smoking, legalize prostitution and illicit drugs too ;) .  Where could we go wrong with that?

 

My views are more extreme than most, but I would actually support allowing all of that (besides some hard drugs, perhaps), with or without affiliation to any casino.  Our government nannies us way too much.

 

 

It is true that a lot of gamblers smoke and that they like to smoke while they gamble. Casinos in other states do have an advantage in luring smokers away from Ohio. If they have to take smoke breaks, they provide the gambler with time to contemplate packing it in for the evening and the relaxing effects of nicotine away from gambling reduces their excitement level.

 

Actually, a lot of restaurants did have non-smoking sections.  The market worked fine, but of course this wasn't enough for the anti-smoking special interest groups who insisted upon forcing adult establishments such as bars and nightclubs to abstain from allowing patrons to smoke, too.

 

The market worked fine for who?  Not non smokers as 2nd hand smoke engulfed non smoking areas.

 

Engulfed?  Really?  I've always been a non-smoker and I was never "engulfed" by smoke in the non-smoking section of a restaurant.  But that's fine, if the ban were just for regular restaurants, I'd be okay with it, but for bars and clubs (and now casinos)?  That's nonsense.

 

 

By that reasoning maybe we should allow 24x7 free alcohol, smoking, legalize prostitution and illicit drugs too ;) .  Where could we go wrong with that?

 

My views are more extreme than most, but I would actually support allowing all of that (besides some hard drugs, perhaps), with or without affiliation to any casino.  Our government nannies us way too much.

 

 

 

Great response!  Really, who needs well-thought out arguments when you can simply post borderline funny pictures that get around the website's swear filter?  :roll:

 

Maybe something is wrong with you if you think that the government should be peeking into the bedroom where consenting adults are engaging in adult activities.  Maybe something is wrong with you if you think that the government should be stopping people from relaxing with their drug of choice, whether that be alcohol or marijuana, and whether it be 5pm in the evening or 5am in the morning.  This state and country nannies us to no end because certain people think they know it all and their square views fit the round peg that is the country as a whole.

Ohio needs to loosen up on many fronts.  We're trying to attract new residents, not run them off because they're non-standard.

^Yep

 

Actually, a lot of restaurants did have non-smoking sections.  The market worked fine, but of course this wasn't enough for the anti-smoking special interest groups who insisted upon forcing adult establishments such as bars and nightclubs to abstain from allowing patrons to smoke, too.

 

The market worked fine for who?  Not non smokers as 2nd hand smoke engulfed non smoking areas.

 

Engulfed?  Really?  I've always been a non-smoker and I was never "engulfed" by smoke in the non-smoking section of a restaurant.  But that's fine, if the ban were just for regular restaurants, I'd be okay with it, but for bars and clubs (and now casinos)?  That's nonsense.

 

 

By that reasoning maybe we should allow 24x7 free alcohol, smoking, legalize prostitution and illicit drugs too ;) .  Where could we go wrong with that?

 

My views are more extreme than most, but I would actually support allowing all of that (besides some hard drugs, perhaps), with or without affiliation to any casino.  Our government nannies us way too much.

 

 

 

Great response!  Really, who needs well-thought out arguments when you can simply post borderline funny pictures that get around the website's swear filter?  ::)

 

Maybe something is wrong with you if you think that the government should be peeking into the bedroom where consenting adults are engaging in adult activities.  Maybe something is wrong with you if you think that the government should be stopping people from relaxing with their drug of choice, whether that be alcohol or marijuana, and whether it be 5pm in the evening or 5am in the morning.  This state and country nannies us to no end because certain people think they know it all and their square views fit the round peg that is the country as a whole.

 

What has any of that got to do with CASINO GAMING DISCUSSION?  ;)

 

Actually, a lot of restaurants did have non-smoking sections. The market worked fine, but of course this wasn't enough for the anti-smoking special interest groups who insisted upon forcing adult establishments such as bars and nightclubs to abstain from allowing patrons to smoke, too.

 

The market worked fine for who? Not non smokers as 2nd hand smoke engulfed non smoking areas.

 

Engulfed? Really? I've always been a non-smoker and I was never "engulfed" by smoke in the non-smoking section of a restaurant. But that's fine, if the ban were just for regular restaurants, I'd be okay with it, but for bars and clubs (and now casinos)? That's nonsense.

 

 

By that reasoning maybe we should allow 24x7 free alcohol, smoking, legalize prostitution and illicit drugs too ;) . Where could we go wrong with that?

 

My views are more extreme than most, but I would actually support allowing all of that (besides some hard drugs, perhaps), with or without affiliation to any casino. Our government nannies us way too much.

 

 

 

Great response! Really, who needs well-thought out arguments when you can simply post borderline funny pictures that get around the website's swear filter? ::)

 

Maybe something is wrong with you if you think that the government should be peeking into the bedroom where consenting adults are engaging in adult activities. Maybe something is wrong with you if you think that the government should be stopping people from relaxing with their drug of choice, whether that be alcohol or marijuana, and whether it be 5pm in the evening or 5am in the morning. This state and country nannies us to no end because certain people think they know it all and their square views fit the round peg that is the country as a whole.

 

What has any of that got to do with CASINO GAMING DISCUSSION?   ;)

 

It has everything to do with the casino gaming discussion.  These casinos are hamstrung by the state's already on the books laws that limit cigarette and alcohol consumption.  Casinos are adult-oriented businesses, and I believe that the owner's, not the state, knows how best to maximize profits.  If that means they allow smoking (or doesn't), whatever works best for them is fine, as long as it's the people running the casino, and NOT THE STATE, that are making the call.

 

Gambling in Ohio got off on the wrong foot by being the last to the table in the region.  Because of that, we got suckered into a state-endorsed monopoly, and consequently, it's almost as if the state feels as though it's their place to tell the casino owners how to run them (almost as if it's a privilege, and unfortunately, it is sort of at this point).  The whole thing is a mess that could have been avoided had the fickle moralist voting populace in this state simply voted to allow gambling a few decades ago and watch the free market investment pour in.  Oh well, so typical of Ohio.

Name one state with gambling that isn't a state-endorsed monopoly?

Name one state with gambling that isn't a state-endorsed monopoly?

 

If I said Nevada, would that be cheating?  I know it's probably fun to gang up on the new guy, but come on Dan, I'm shocked that you wouldn't agree with me here.  Or maybe not...

I think the Nevada Gaming Commission is a state-endorsed monopoly!  Not ganging up on you.

OMG they will close at 2:30 am. Im starting to hate this state.

OMG they will close at 2:30 am. Im starting to hate this state.

 

How many people, even in Vegas are gambling at 3AM??  Not many. Tables are closed, the min bids are 2/3/5 dollars.  It's not worth being opening.

Listen. Ohio has no smoking, ghetto casino and cops can give you a ticket just because they think you are speeding. This state is anti-fun.

Listen. Ohio has no smoking, ghetto casino and cops can give you a ticket just because they think you are speeding. This state is anti-fun.

 

I guess it all depends on your perspective.  Ohio is not a non-smoking state.  You can smoke in private and outdoor areas.  It is a state that respects the health and non-smoking choice of the majority of the population.  Not only that, but it encourages businesses to add cool outdoor areas to accommodate smokers.  Also, instead of seeing a "ghetto casino" I see another anchor entertainment venue to compliment a wide variety of entertainment options all within walking distance.

 

There are plenty of other states to move f you don't feel like Ohio is cool enough to suit your tastes.

It does depend on perspective.  Mine is that it's incumbent on those of us who remain here to make changes, to steer the state on a better course.  The old course of draconian controls has caused immeasurable damage.  We need to be a state that welcomes people and lets them enjoy themselves.  We need our police to focus on violent crime instead of traffic.  We need to worry less about condemning people's vices, and more about earning their admiration and esteem.

Listen. Ohio has no smoking, ghetto casino and cops can give you a ticket just because they think you are speeding. This state is anti-fun.

 

• No Smoking - Great in my book
  
• Casino - Ohio has no casino's so I'm not sure what you mean by "ghetto"?
  
• Cops - What does that have to do with the Casino/Gaming discussion?
  

Get a grip already!

Listen. Ohio has no smoking, ghetto casino and cops can give you a ticket just because they think you are speeding. This state is anti-fun.

 

I guess it all depends on your perspective.  Ohio is not a non-smoking state.  You can smoke in private and outdoor areas.  It is a state that respects the health and non-smoking choice of the majority of the population.  Not only that, but it encourages businesses to add cool outdoor areas to accommodate smokers.  Also, instead of seeing a "ghetto casino" I see another anchor entertainment venue to compliment a wide variety of entertainment options all within walking distance.

 

There are plenty of other states to move f you don't feel like Ohio is cool enough to suit your tastes.

 

You summed it wonderfully!  :clap:

Yeah I don't get the "ghetto casinos" bit either.

You are right Ohio does not have casino's. But Indiana does.

You are right Ohio does not have casino's. But Indiana does.

If you accept mediocrity, that fine. I have higher standards. These Casino's are a downgrade from the Indiana ones.