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Data Center Knowledge highlighted central Ohio in its monthly roundup of data center developments across the planet...

 

"All eyes were on Ohio this month, amid a raft of new data center development announcements in the Midwestern state.

 

Google is understood to have earmarked $2.3 billion to develop its sites in Columbus, New Albany, and Lancaster. The tech giant has already spent more than $4.4 billion in Ohio since opening its first data center in New Albany in 2019.

 

5C Data Centers has announced plans to develop its next data center campus, CMH01, in the Columbus region, following the acquisition of a live data center.

 

Located in one of the fastest growing data center markets in North America, the acquired site encompasses over 1.7 million sq ft of land with a live 66,000 sq ft data center. According to the operator, 200 MW of capacity is secured, with the first 100 MW scheduled for the first quarter of 2024.

 

The news comes as Microsoft was reported to have signed an agreement to build up to six data center buildings on more than 200 acres in Licking County, west of Ohio State Route 79."

 

https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/data-center-construction/new-data-center-developments-july-2024

 

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A rendering of 5C Data Centers’ CMH01 facility in Columbus

 

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Ten years ago I lived over here and always wondered when someone would do something with these properties.

 

I'm assuming it's Preferred Living, because it's named the Langham at Chestnut Hill (A) and the Langham at Chestnut Hill Annex (B). They want 540 units here.

 

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Franklin County No. 3 in Site Selection's best counties for economic development

 

"Central Ohio is home to one of the best counties for economic development, according to Site Selection magazine.

 

Franklin County racked up 2,347 points to take the No. 3 spot in the U.S., behind only Maricopa County, Arizona (Phoenix) and Harris County, Texas (Houston). The publication awarded points based on the number of projects between January 2023 and March 2024, capital investment and jobs created.

 

Selection’s recognition of America’s Best Counties for economic development performance on one level is a measure of the capital investment they attracted in 2023 and through the first quarter of this year," the magazine wrote. "On another level, it’s an opportunity to credit counties and their personnel who work tirelessly to attract projects and to help grow investment already in place."

 

Franklin County bested No. 4 Fulton County, Georgia (Atlanta), as well as Dallas County, Texas (Dallas) and Cook County, Illinois (Chicago) – both tied for fifth."

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2024/07/18/franklin-county-economic-growth-site-selection.html

 

 

City of Columbus picks possible site for new public indoor swimming pool

 

"Columbus City Schools and the city Parks and Recreation Department signed a letter of intent to construct a new indoor pool and recreation complex along Agler Road on the Northeast Side of Columbus after the school district transfers property to the city.

 

The new facility will be located on the current sites of Mifflin Middle School, Cassady Alternative Elementary School, and Howard Community Center and Northeast Park (which would become the site of the pool facility). The letter of intent also calls for a recreation and community center with a new Mifflin Middle School building attached to the facility, as well as new athletic fields across Cassady Avenue on the current site of Cassady Elementary.

 

The process of creating the indoor swimming facility and moving Mifflin Middle and Cassady Elementary schools would happen over three phases of property transfers. The first phase would involve the aquatics center along Agler Road, and an existing park parcel on Cassady Avenue being transferred to Columbus City Schools.

 

After the construction of the aquatics and community center, phase 2 calls for the existing Howard community center to be transferred to the school district.

 

Phase three of the plan calls for the existing site of Cassady Elementary to be transferred to the city recreation department and turned into an athletics complex, including a track and several fields. Cassady Elementary would be moved to the current site of Mifflin Middle School, and Mifflin Middle would be moved to a new facility that connects to the recreation center and indoor swimming pool. 

 

The park on the northeast corner of the parcel would also be expanded."

 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2024/07/26/the-northeast-side-could-be-getting-a-new-indoor-swimming-pool/74453966007/

 

^This is in the neighborhood where I grew up! Glad to see this happening! When I was a kid Mifflin HS was in the building currently occupied by Mifflin MS. The HS was so overcrowded back in the day that kids went to school in two shifts. 6-noon and noon-6. 

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On 7/19/2024 at 9:14 AM, Luvcbus said:

 

Franklin County No. 3 in Site Selection's best counties for economic development

 

"Central Ohio is home to one of the best counties for economic development, according to Site Selection magazine.

 

Franklin County racked up 2,347 points to take the No. 3 spot in the U.S., behind only Maricopa County, Arizona (Phoenix) and Harris County, Texas (Houston). The publication awarded points based on the number of projects between January 2023 and March 2024, capital investment and jobs created.

 

Selection’s recognition of America’s Best Counties for economic development performance on one level is a measure of the capital investment they attracted in 2023 and through the first quarter of this year," the magazine wrote. "On another level, it’s an opportunity to credit counties and their personnel who work tirelessly to attract projects and to help grow investment already in place."

 

Franklin County bested No. 4 Fulton County, Georgia (Atlanta), as well as Dallas County, Texas (Dallas) and Cook County, Illinois (Chicago) – both tied for fifth."

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2024/07/18/franklin-county-economic-growth-site-selection.html

 



this is why i tell people most likely if you not happy living in Columbus suburbans. most other cities will not make you happy. columbus is a mixture. of the south,east and west mixed in one. but cheaper and less vilent then the east or south. and not as expensive as the east or west.

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Alright everyone. If it isn’t obvious, I don’t work in the property space and don’t really have a good understanding of how the Columbus development approval process works. So please bear with me lol

 

I like to review the Area Commission postings each month, which I find here: https://www.columbus.gov/Business-Development/Building-Zoning-Services/Boards-and-Commissions/Historic-Preservation-Development-Review-Boards-Commissions


For many of the agendas that are posted, it takes me to a Drop Box page where I have to sign in. Most of the time if I look at a later date, it takes me to the agenda instead of the Drop Box page.

 

However, the Drop Box page is still populating when I click on the latest Italian Village agenda, found here: https://www.columbus.gov/Business-Development/Building-Zoning-Services/Boards-and-Commissions/Historic-Preservation-Development-Review-Boards-Commissions/Italian-Village-Commission

 

When I get to the DropBox page, I sign in to my personal account, but I still can’t get access to the agenda. 
 

Is there a way around this? Am I just being an idiot? Like I said, usually this just kinda works itself out, this one just doesn’t seem to be fixing itself (maybe bc of the cyber attack-who knows). I figured though if anyone had a workaround it would be this forum.

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It looks like Google Maps is starting to push out some streetview imagery from as recently as July. Some areas of downtown already have July 2024 imagery available. 

18 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

It looks like Google Maps is starting to push out some streetview imagery from as recently as July. Some areas of downtown already have July 2024 imagery available. 

I saw that the other day! Broad has it on a part

We've got stop lights!

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Columbus projects awarded nearly $29M in brownfield remediation grants from state. Hopefully we'll see movement on these projects soon! Most of these were already in design and/or announced.

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2024/08/13/brownfield-remediation-sites-columbus.html

 

Projects include:

  1. Whittier Peninsula - previously announced three 7 story buildings
  2. 45 W. Barthman Ave. on the south side
  3. Ohio National Bank building at Town and High
  4. The former Department of Job and Family Services building in downtown Columbus at 145 S. Front St. at Town
  5. Knights of Columbus and Salesian Boys and Girls Club at State and S. 6th.
  6. 800 King Ave.  This is new to me: 
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The 800 King Ave. site has been used for industrial purposes since 1928. It is partially occupied by National Electric Coil Inc., which is listed as the developer in documents submitted to the state.

Planned remediation includes removing and disposing of contaminated soil, groundwater remediation and installation of engineering controls to prevent vapor intrusion.

The project aims to ready the site for redevelopment, with plans for light industrial use at the back portion and multifamily development at the front, according to those documents.

By front, I think they mean along King.

17 minutes ago, Pablo said:
  1. 800 King Ave.  This is new to me: 

By front, I think they mean along King.

Probably the giant parking lot out front. The industrial site fronts Chambers. A few times in the last year I've browsed satellite view and wondered about this property. Good to see they want to improve their presence in the neighborhood!

4 hours ago, aderwent said:

Probably the giant parking lot out front. The industrial site fronts Chambers. A few times in the last year I've browsed satellite view and wondered about this property. Good to see they want to improve their presence in the neighborhood!

That is great news, hopefully it something 5+ with some retail. 

Gensler, the design architect of the new John Glenn terminal, is opening an office here in Columbus. Jon Barnes closed his office (JBAD) and joined them. This is very interesting - they feel there's enough work to sustain an office with a reputation for higher end design. We have a few good architectural firms but having an international with a local office could lead to more exiting architecture.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Pablo said:

Gensler, the design architect of the new John Glenn terminal, is opening an office here in Columbus. Jon Barnes closed his office (JBAD) and joined them. This is very interesting - they feel there's enough work to sustain an office with a reputation for higher end design. We have a few good architectural firms but having an international with a local office could lead to more exiting architecture.

 

 

 

This is awesome. Back in the 70's and 80's when most of the downtown towers were built. The national company Turner construction had so much business they opened a Columbus office and have been here ever since.

36 minutes ago, Pablo said:

Gensler, the design architect of the new John Glenn terminal, is opening an office here in Columbus. Jon Barnes closed his office (JBAD) and joined them. This is very interesting - they feel there's enough work to sustain an office with a reputation for higher end design. We have a few good architectural firms but having an international with a local office could lead to more exiting architecture.

 

 

 

Maybe they will want a 40 story mixed use building to show off what they can do and say hi we are here??? Ha

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35,000 square foot indoor playground opening in former movie theater on the northwest side 

 

Fun City Adventure Park is officially opening at 2570 Bethel Rd. 

 

This giant, 35,000 square foot indoor playground signed a lease last October. There’s currently 13 other Fun City’s nationwide. The other parks boast giant ball pits, indoor slides, indoor bumper cars, ninja obstacle courses, and trampoline parks.

 

Fun City hasn't released an opening date, but the sign is officially up on the building.

 

https://614now.com/2024/culture/35000-square-foot-indoor-playground-opening-in-movie-theater-that-closed-last-year

 

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Columbus has one of the hottest labor markets in the nation, study shows

 

Columbus has one of the hottest labor markets in America right now. While the job market isn’t all around so hot nationally, according to national data tracked by ADP’s Pay Insights report and the National Employment Report, Columbus is on fire.

 

Columbus came in at the 7th “Hottest U.S. Labor Market,” 89% stronger than the other measured metros, with a hiring rate at 5.4%, which was 98% stronger than the other cities analyzed. Denver took the #1 spot, Oklahoma City at #2, Las Vegas as #3, and #4 is Seattle, #5 Portland, and #6, Sacramento. 

 

Notably, many of these cities also have some of the hottest housing markets right now, too. Columbus in particular has been considered the #1 Hottest Housing Market in the nation for almost a year now.

 

https://614now.com/2024/hot-topics/this-ohio-city-has-one-of-the-hottest-labor-markets-in-the-nation-study-shows

 

Champion Cos. to start construction on latest apartment project

 

The Champion Cos. will start construction on its latest apartment project.

 

The development, dubbed the Retreat at Crosswoods, repurposes the former site of a vacant office building into 395 apartments. Retreat at Crosswoods is located at 400 E. Campus View Blvd. near Worthington.

 

Champion Cos. will host a groundbreaking ceremony Tuesday.

 

That 12-acre site formerly housed the offices of Opportunities for Ohioans with Disabilities; the building was torn down this year. The Retreat at Crosswoods will open in the spring of 2026.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2024/09/23/champion-cos-crosswoods-apartments.html

 

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57 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

Champion Cos. to start construction on latest apartment project

 

The Champion Cos. will start construction on its latest apartment project.

 

The development, dubbed the Retreat at Crosswoods, repurposes the former site of a vacant office building into 395 apartments. Retreat at Crosswoods is located at 400 E. Campus View Blvd. near Worthington.

 

Champion Cos. will host a groundbreaking ceremony Tuesday.

 

That 12-acre site formerly housed the offices of Opportunities for Ohioans with Disabilities; the building was torn down this year. The Retreat at Crosswoods will open in the spring of 2026.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2024/09/23/champion-cos-crosswoods-apartments.html

 

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Oh hell yeah, it’s the building with the best view from the pool!! I still don’t understand why they don’t just plant a row of bushes along the fence 😂

On 9/23/2024 at 2:20 PM, ColDayMan said:

Retreat at Crosswoods

Ugh, sorry but that name sounds like 90's schlock suburbia of the worst kind

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Lots of lots: Has Columbus made progress on redeveloping surface parking lots downtown?

 

Downtown Columbus has more than 200 acres of surface parking lots, which many developers and downtown advocates agree they'd like to see redeveloped.


Columbus Business First took an in-depth look at the parking lot situation downtown last spring. Has there been significant progress made toward redeveloping those sites since then?

 

In short, no.

 

Columbus State, with nearly 38 acres of surface lots, is one of the largest owners.


The community college hired a chief real estate development officer last year to shepherd projects around its campus. In March, Columbus State announced it broke ground with partner Woda Cooper on an affordable housing project that will eliminate some surface parking lots on Cleveland Avenue.

7 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

Lots of lots: Has Columbus made progress on redeveloping surface parking lots downtown?

 

Downtown Columbus has more than 200 acres of surface parking lots, which many developers and downtown advocates agree they'd like to see redeveloped.


Columbus Business First took an in-depth look at the parking lot situation downtown last spring. Has there been significant progress made toward redeveloping those sites since then?

 

In short, no.

 

Columbus State, with nearly 38 acres of surface lots, is one of the largest owners.


The community college hired a chief real estate development officer last year to shepherd projects around its campus. In March, Columbus State announced it broke ground with partner Woda Cooper on an affordable housing project that will eliminate some surface parking lots on Cleveland Avenue.

Will be interesting to see what impact Zone In has on this over the next 5-10 years.

11 minutes ago, PizzaScissors said:

Will be interesting to see what impact Zone In has on this over the next 5-10 years.

It isn’t really changing anything downtown. If the city would have added a land tax or something it would help. Most lot owners probably won’t sell because they make money with doing basically nothing. 

3 minutes ago, GCrites said:

Downtown has its own zoning code that didn't change with Zone In that allows lots of density-related things that the old zoning didn't and even Zone In doesn't in a lot of places.

 

Here is an interactive Zone In map: https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/f8ec3c7ce4b34a6aa4b7be3ffbcb9717/

That's right, thank you both for the reminder! I forgot the Zone In effort was separate from downtown.

2 hours ago, VintageLife said:

Lots of lots: Has Columbus made progress on redeveloping surface parking lots downtown?

 

Downtown Columbus has more than 200 acres of surface parking lots, which many developers and downtown advocates agree they'd like to see redeveloped.


Columbus Business First took an in-depth look at the parking lot situation downtown last spring. Has there been significant progress made toward redeveloping those sites since then?

 

In short, no.

 

Columbus State, with nearly 38 acres of surface lots, is one of the largest owners.


The community college hired a chief real estate development officer last year to shepherd projects around its campus. In March, Columbus State announced it broke ground with partner Woda Cooper on an affordable housing project that will eliminate some surface parking lots on Cleveland Avenue.

Wait what? They broke ground on that ugly pile of crap???

9 minutes ago, columbus17 said:

Wait what? They broke ground on that ugly pile of crap???

Different one, this isn’t the one that would have demoed the two story building and the house. 

43 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

Different one, this isn’t the one that would have demoed the two story building and the house. 

Which one is this then? I figured it was just a typo….

6 minutes ago, amped91 said:

Which one is this then? I figured it was just a typo….

I feel like I remember seeing something about a project across Cleveland Ave, from that project, but yeah I think it might be a typo because that project hasn’t been approved 

4 hours ago, VintageLife said:

I feel like I remember seeing something about a project across Cleveland Ave, from that project, but yeah I think it might be a typo because that project hasn’t been approved 

I flat out told their people it was the ugliest building I’ve ever seen. They’re like it’s housing. I go, in Cleveland Ave? You couldn’t put a little more effort? There’s tons of less visible lots on that campus to put a basic building like that.

I thought this might be a good place to mark the passing of Curt Moody. A Columbus native who founded his firm in 1982, he grew it into the largest African American architectural firm in the country. Former Mayor Colman noted "Curt Moody was a great American architect, a good person, a visionary, and we have lost an icon in the minority business space and an icon in the architectural design space as well."

 

On a personal note, I first met Curt in the mid 1990s as a young draftsman. He treated everyone in the room as equal collaborators all working together to produce a great product for the client. His personality permeated the culture of Moody Nolan and it is always a joy to work with them on a variety of projects throughout the years.

 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2024/10/14/curt-moody-moody-nolan-inc-architecture-firm-dies/75678171007/

https://moodynolan.com/

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Oh no!  He was too young.  I knew his son and met Curt once.  He was a wonderful inspiration and loved his city.  R.I.P.

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Inside the $250 Million Tunnel Being Constructed Under Columbus

 

The Lower Olentangy Tunnel is an impressive undertaking. Located at an average depth of 50 feet underground, the 12-foot-diameter tunnel has been under construction since early 2021. By the time it is complete, in September 2026, it will be about 17,000 feet long and will help to keep our rivers and streams cleaner by providing a safe place to divert the overflow of untreated sewage from our city’s century-old network of underground pipes during heavy rains.

 

The $247 million project is being funded by the utility rates that residents pay the Columbus Department of Public Utilities, with financing provided by a below market-rate loan from the Ohio Environmental Protection Agency.

 

Unlike most of the construction projects that Columbus Underground covers – in which buildings get taller and more noticeable the longer the work goes on – this one has remained mostly invisible to the general public throughout the entire project.

 

There are a handful of places where work is happening on the surface – access points near Tuttle Park and at Goudy Field, near the intersection of Olentangy River Road and West Third Avenue – but even that work is mostly taking place behind construction fences.

 

More below:

https://columbusunderground.com/photos-inside-the-250-million-tunnel-being-constructed-under-columbus-bw1/

 

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Now imagine...

 

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10 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

Now imagine...

 

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This tunnel project is just over 3 miles long which would get you from Lane Ave to the state house. If this mostly barebones project was almost $300 million, I can’t imagine how much it would cost to make a subway. It would be incredible, don’t get me wrong! 

15 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

Inside the $250 Million Tunnel Being Constructed Under Columbus

 

The Lower Olentangy Tunnel is an impressive undertaking. Located at an average depth of 50 feet underground, the 12-foot-diameter tunnel has been under construction since early 2021. By the time it is complete, in September 2026, it will be about 17,000 feet long and will help to keep our rivers and streams cleaner by providing a safe place to divert the overflow of untreated sewage from our city’s century-old network of underground pipes during heavy rains.

 

The $247 million project is being funded by the utility rates that residents pay the Columbus Department of Public Utilities, with financing provided by a below market-rate loan from the Ohio Environmental Protection Agency.

 

Unlike most of the construction projects that Columbus Underground covers – in which buildings get taller and more noticeable the longer the work goes on – this one has remained mostly invisible to the general public throughout the entire project.

 

There are a handful of places where work is happening on the surface – access points near Tuttle Park and at Goudy Field, near the intersection of Olentangy River Road and West Third Avenue – but even that work is mostly taking place behind construction fences.

 

More below:

https://columbusunderground.com/photos-inside-the-250-million-tunnel-being-constructed-under-columbus-bw1/

 

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Okay so clearly building tunnels is very feasible here. Since these will be filled with overflow poop water, why don't we put some submarines in here to get us locals around town? I'm pretty sure we would take anything at this point and many of us are already comfortable with the strong smell of poo if we frequent the Southside enough.

2 hours ago, TIm said:

Okay so clearly building tunnels is very feasible here. Since these will be filled with overflow poop water, why don't we put some submarines in here to get us locals around town? I'm pretty sure we would take anything at this point and many of us are already comfortable with the strong smell of poo if we frequent the Southside enough.

 

I could flush my toilet, run down to the train station, hop on the train, and watch my turd float by. 

2 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

 

I could flush my toilet, run down to the train station, hop on the train, and watch my turd float by. 

That would be cool. Would honestly be something that puts Columbus on the map, we could even make it a tourist attraction. You get to take a dump in one of those downtown metal bathroom shacks then rush down into the tunnels to watch it float away.

So the paving for the two-way Marconi conversion has finally begun. Long and Spring have also been freshly paved too. 

 

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^Gotta get it done before the asphalt plants close in November!

57 minutes ago, Pablo said:

^Gotta get it done before the asphalt plants close in November!

I wish they would have redone Indianola this year, pretty sure it was supposed to happen last year and it’s still just a horrible pothole filled mess ha

14 hours ago, VintageLife said:

I wish they would have redone Indianola this year, pretty sure it was supposed to happen last year and it’s still just a horrible pothole filled mess ha

I believe that's scheduled for 2025. It'll be interesting to see how the bike lanes work out.

51 minutes ago, Pablo said:

I believe that's scheduled for 2025. It'll be interesting to see how the bike lanes work out.

Hopefully it’s done right at the beginning of spring, that road is awful and I can’t even imagine what this winter will do to it. 

  • 2 weeks later...

Fresh paving for both sides of Marconi now with new crosswalks. I will say the striping for those look really nice.

 

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1 hour ago, PrestoKinetic said:

Fresh paving for both sides of Marconi now with new crosswalks. I will say the striping for those look really nice.

 

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Now hopefully that parking lot disappears 

And hopefully the (kinda) next-door neighbor of Three Nationwide turns back on all its lights. :classic_sad:

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6 hours ago, PrestoKinetic said:

Fresh paving for both sides of Marconi now with new crosswalks. I will say the striping for those look really nice.

 

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Bad striping. Look at the dumb central turn lane. I absolutely hate those. Dig it up and plant trees there.

15 hours ago, VintageLife said:

Now hopefully that parking lot disappears 

 

I'm not sure how exactly they enforce this, but I thought the parking lot was supposed to be limited to 5 years. From the council variance:

 

WHEREAS, the City Departments recommend approval because this request will not add an incompatible use to the area. The requested variance will permit a non-accessory surface parking lot that will be utilized by businesses in the area while filling a void that was caused by the removal of the previous parking garage. The parking lot will be limited to a five year period, during which time the owner will determine their long-term development plans for this site; and ...

 

The council variance was passed in August of 2018, so it's been over 6 years now.

20 minutes ago, .justin said:

 

I'm not sure how exactly they enforce this, but I thought the parking lot was supposed to be limited to 5 years. From the council variance:

 

WHEREAS, the City Departments recommend approval because this request will not add an incompatible use to the area. The requested variance will permit a non-accessory surface parking lot that will be utilized by businesses in the area while filling a void that was caused by the removal of the previous parking garage. The parking lot will be limited to a five year period, during which time the owner will determine their long-term development plans for this site; and ...

 

The council variance was passed in August of 2018, so it's been over 6 years now.

It's ridiculous developers can tear down buildings/garages and create "temporary parking lots" that end up staying lots for years if not decades... 

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