3 hours ago, amped91 said:

I could see an NBA team working in Louisville too. 
 

I really do think that, if Cbus ever gets a team in one of the “Big Three” leagues, it would be an NBA team. Unless, of course, one of the other C’s teams were to move here, which I don’t see happening any time soon. 

That would be the Cavs moving here it it were to be an NBA team...and don't even think it. Cleveland would hate us even more, with the white hot intensity of ten million suns lol. That would drive that "Western Reserve State" thing to the forefront lol.

3 hours ago, TIm said:

Seattle and Las Vegas are absolutely the two gaps in the NBA market right now, and Seattle was home to a team for a while. If there is a team moving or a new expansion team, it'll almost certainly be one of these two cities.

 

I'm all aboard the Columbus NBA team pipe dream train though!

Not sure I agree. From 1995-2001 the NBA had nine teams out of 30 on the West Coast. There's a reason two of them left in the next seven years. Only ~22% of the population of the Continental US lives West of the Rocky Mountains. For a 32-team league that is seven teams evenly apportioned. I could maybe see a Las Vegas exception, but there will certainly not be two new teams out there. If so, it'll only last so long before a Portland or Sacramento pack their bags.

 

Baseball has seven out of thirty teams out there just like the NBA. Las Vegas appears to be getting the Athletics. I'd put money on two new teams being in San Antonio and Raleigh or Charlotte. NFL has seven teams out there. NHL has five of 31, but that's a different dynamic, plus there are two additional Canadian teams on the Frontier.

 

NBA if anything is severely underrepresented on the East Coast. College Basketball dominates in the East so I don't see why the NBA wouldn't as well. With a Las Vegas exception I'd put money on Baltimore or St. Louis. Next up I'd say Cincinnati, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Louisville, or Nashville.

53 minutes ago, aderwent said:

Not sure I agree. From 1995-2001 the NBA had nine teams out of 30 on the West Coast. There's a reason two of them left in the next seven years. Only ~22% of the population of the Continental US lives West of the Rocky Mountains. For a 32-team league that is seven teams evenly apportioned. I could maybe see a Las Vegas exception, but there will certainly not be two new teams out there. If so, it'll only last so long before a Portland or Sacramento pack their bags.

 

Baseball has seven out of thirty teams out there just like the NBA. Las Vegas appears to be getting the Athletics. I'd put money on two new teams being in San Antonio and Raleigh or Charlotte. NFL has seven teams out there. NHL has five of 31, but that's a different dynamic, plus there are two additional Canadian teams on the Frontier.

 

NBA if anything is severely underrepresented on the East Coast. College Basketball dominates in the East so I don't see why the NBA wouldn't as well. With a Las Vegas exception I'd put money on Baltimore or St. Louis. Next up I'd say Cincinnati, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Louisville, or Nashville.

I have to disagree, it's going to be Las Vegas and Seattle. The Seattle metro area is over 4 million people now, about 1 million greater than when the Super Sonics left. With growth like that it's a no brainer major contender for a team to move their or an expansion team.

 

And I would strongly challenge that the east coast is underrepresented in the NBA. Some of the most popular NBA teams, both domestically and internationally, are on the east coast. The east coast teams, minus when the Hornets left and came back, have basically stuck around the entire time. They are mostly huge well established organizations with well attended games. College sports are absolutely not the dominant teams on the east coast. I was born and raised there and generally east coasters, especially people in the NE megalopolis, don't care about college sports much and put a lot more weight on professional sports teams. Hell, I don't know many people from back home that even has a favorite college they follow. Moving here to Columbus was a huge culture shock about how much people care about college sports, it's night and day compared to where I grew up.

 

As cool as it would be to see any of those cities you listed get a team, they just either aren't big enough markets or would be entering into markets with a ton of other competition for fans (i.e., other pro teams and hugely popular college teams).

Edited May 5, 20223 yr by TIm

 

Nice to see a little new news on Rapid 5...

 

 

Amy Acton to lead Rapid 5 nonprofit

 

"The Rapid 5 initiative is moving into its next phase, becoming a nonprofit with Dr. Amy Acton at the helm.

 

Rapid 5 stands for Rivers and Parks + Imagination + Design and encompasses the five major waterways in Franklin County: the Big Darby Creek, Scioto River, Olentangy River, Alum Creek and Big Walnut Creek. It is a vision for increasing connectivity and equity by encouraging local government agencies, private and public stakeholders, and nonprofit cultural and community-based organizations to work together to grow central Ohio greenways, waterways, trails and parks."

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/05/05/amy-acton-rapid-5-nonprofit.html

Edited May 5, 20223 yr by Luvcbus

I would have sworn there was a rapid 5 thread but couldn't find it. Anyway, I hope that we see success with the COTA levy. Then once the Rapid 5 plan is more solid, we might see a similar parks and rec levy that would be intended to be transformational and be applied to making it happen. Some of the Rapid 5 Project is just fluff, but there are some really cool concepts within it but it's all going to require significant funding. Without it, it's like any other study or interest group. 

 

The good news about the COTA levy is that should it pass, some of the fund contribute to crossover Rapid 5 goals. 

 

One criticism that applies to both the Rapid 5 and LinkUS plans are that they still lack a truly comprehensive East/West strategy beyond simplistic 'expand bike boulevards' etc. They touch on it but it's not enough. It's also not entirely unheard of though. Even a city like Chicago still struggles with a comprehensive east/west plan. 

 

Crazy Idea. Connect Morse and Bethel finally but only for pedestrians, bikes, and busses and connects many of the 5 on the north. Re envision all of Morse/Bethel. And the residents might be less resistant than the prior plans since it wouldn't be general traffic and in theory, wouldn't require as much of a right of way as prior auto centric proposals. 🤔

‘“It would be nice if we quit apologizing that we don’t have mountains, or that we don’t have oceans, or we don’t have a lake, because regretting it isn’t going to create it,” said Keith Myers, who has worked with the Columbus chapter of the Urban Land Institute to advance the RAPID 5 concept from its inception. “What we do have is these five amazing streams and, if we could embrace them, we could create something that would be envy of almost any city of the country.”’

 

I really liked that quote from the article. If we really want to be respected, class A City and region, it’s not going to continue to suffice to say, “we don’t have any of those things, but at least we’re more affordable than LA and NYC.” The region will actually need to put in the work to create these things that make us special and a desirable place to live. 

20 hours ago, amped91 said:

‘“It would be nice if we quit apologizing that we don’t have mountains, or that we don’t have oceans, or we don’t have a lake, because regretting it isn’t going to create it,” said Keith Myers, who has worked with the Columbus chapter of the Urban Land Institute to advance the RAPID 5 concept from its inception. “What we do have is these five amazing streams and, if we could embrace them, we could create something that would be envy of almost any city of the country.”’

 

I really liked that quote from the article. If we really want to be respected, class A City and region, it’s not going to continue to suffice to say, “we don’t have any of those things, but at least we’re more affordable than LA and NYC.” The region will actually need to put in the work to create these things that make us special and a desirable place to live. 

Quote

‘“It would be nice if we quit apologizing that we don’t have mountains, or that we don’t have oceans, or we don’t have a lake,

We also don't have mudslides, avalanches, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, lake effect snow, etc. There is always a silver lining. Things like this are one of the reasons we landed Intel. There are plenty of outdoor and scenic places here that can be enjoyed, we just need to acknowledge what we have and build on it(and add more cultural institutions as well as making the best of our natural and outdoor scenic areas. )

 

*I live just a few hundred yards from one of the Darby Creeks, there are metro parks very close by, a herd of bison, prairie, woods, the creek, trails, etc.-and this is out in a cheap hellish part(lol)of Madison County! 

 

**Also, cornfields are underrated! lol

 

I think that there can be a sort of intrinsic beauty in farm fields, orchards, dairy farms, horse and llama farms, etc(all close by)-This is productive land that is producing something, food or whatever, for people to use. I especially like the orchards and the changes in the cornfields-how narrow country roads can go from so open in the winter to being lined with walls of green corn in the summer.

 

And this comes from someone who is on here an urban forum and loves the tall buildings and density and all.

22 hours ago, Luvcbus said:

 

Nice to see a little new news on Rapid 5...

 

 

Amy Acton to lead Rapid 5 nonprofit

 

"The Rapid 5 initiative is moving into its next phase, becoming a nonprofit with Dr. Amy Acton at the helm.

 

Rapid 5 stands for Rivers and Parks + Imagination + Design and encompasses the five major waterways in Franklin County: the Big Darby Creek, Scioto River, Olentangy River, Alum Creek and Big Walnut Creek. It is a vision for increasing connectivity and equity by encouraging local government agencies, private and public stakeholders, and nonprofit cultural and community-based organizations to work together to grow central Ohio greenways, waterways, trails and parks."

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/05/05/amy-acton-rapid-5-nonprofit.html

I LOVE her!!! I hope she is very successful!!!!  

We probably would have been more important earlier if we had a navigable waterway. At some point the Scioto was more navigable as that's how both Sullivant and Goodale arrived to town if I remember right.

Also mountains? F*** those! We have hills close by enough and only psychos like hiking up damn mountains IMO! I mean WTF! lol. Also can you imagine Central Ohio drivers on icy snowy streets that are also hilly and steep? Yikes! 

14 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

We probably would have been more important earlier if we had a navigable waterway. At some point the Scioto was more navigable as that's how both Sullivant and Goodale arrived to town if I remember right.

If we did they would probably be lined with ugly dead industry and prone to severe flooding while lined with huge massive dikes, damned with locks for transport, etc. The Ohio River is not exactly scenic IMO.  Just imagine the old *damned Scioto downtown just three times as wide with higher walls but just as muddy, dirty, trashy. 

 

We likely lucked out. Our smaller rivers and streams are much more "people sized" and good for fishing, canoeing, etc. -stuff that does not cost a fortune. How many people here could afford a large boat for a large body of water? Look at Cleveland. Now much do they really use the lake, and how many people out of the 4 million or so in NEO have a boat or are actually on or in Lake Erie? Same for the Ohio River and Cincinnati. 

 

At least we don't have to worry about our metro being lopsided due to a huge body of water, or cut in two by a large river(look at the issues with needing huge bridges and the billions of dollars needed for constructing them?)...again, silver linings.

 

*I guess I meant "dammed" but "damned" is also appropriate.

Edited May 6, 20223 yr by Toddguy

16 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

We probably would have been more important earlier if we had a navigable waterway. At some point the Scioto was more navigable as that's how both Sullivant and Goodale arrived to town if I remember right.

I always thought it strange that the Little Scioto and Little Sandusky rivers come within ~5 miles of each other, but were never connected via canal for a central Ohio to Erie canal.

On 5/5/2022 at 12:37 PM, TIm said:

I have to disagree, it's going to be Las Vegas and Seattle. The Seattle metro area is over 4 million people now, about 1 million greater than when the Super Sonics left. With growth like that it's a no brainer major contender for a team to move their or an expansion team.

 

And I would strongly challenge that the east coast is underrepresented in the NBA. Some of the most popular NBA teams, both domestically and internationally, are on the east coast. The east coast teams, minus when the Hornets left and came back, have basically stuck around the entire time. They are mostly huge well established organizations with well attended games. College sports are absolutely not the dominant teams on the east coast. I was born and raised there and generally east coasters, especially people in the NE megalopolis, don't care about college sports much and put a lot more weight on professional sports teams. Hell, I don't know many people from back home that even has a favorite college they follow. Moving here to Columbus was a huge culture shock about how much people care about college sports, it's night and day compared to where I grew up.

 

As cool as it would be to see any of those cities you listed get a team, they just either aren't big enough markets or would be entering into markets with a ton of other competition for fans (i.e., other pro teams and hugely popular college teams).

Disagree. I said college basketball dominates "the East" i.e. everything East of the Rockies. That has undoubtedly owned college basketball since Wooden. Only UCLA and Arizona crack the top at least 30 teams. Also, East Coast in general is not just the Northeast in your bias. Duke, UNC, and Syracuse are firmly East Coast, and firmly top ten programs. Also, why was the old Big East the most popular college basketball conference with their top-rated tournament held at MSG? Yes, the Northeast likes their pro sports more, and couldn't care less about college football, but college basketball (and hockey) are popular.

 

That area is also undoubtedly underserved by the NBA. Yes, the current teams are some of the strongest. You're making my point. Why would they further dilute an overrepresented West with not one, but two more teams? As I said, if they get another one or two expect one or both of Portland and Sacramento to relocate.

 

As far as the cities I listed, I listed them in order for these reasons:

 

Baltimore: A large city within a very large market. Only has MLB and NFL. Downside: no arena, and despite combined market greater than Chicago, seven pro teams may be too many.

 

St. Louis: A large, also regional, city with only MLB and NHL. NHL provides a ready-to-go arena. Downside: two winter sports.

 

Cincinnati: A medium city with two teams already and no arena. However, in a hotbed of (college) basketball fandom.

 

Columbus: A medium city with only one team and a ready-to-go arena(s), but both teams would be winter sports and fairly close to Cleveland.

 

Pittsburgh: A medium city with three teams already, and proximity to Cleveland, but with a ready-to-go arena.

 

Nashville: A newly medium city growing off the charts, but with two teams already; one a winter sport. A ready-to-go arena.

 

Louisville: A small city with no teams, but basketball fandom and a ready-to-go arena.

 

Your case for Seattle could also be made for Tampa. Other than once having a team they're nearly identical here. Identical market sizes with a MLB, NHL, and NFL team. The closest NBA team in both places is the next city over (and that city's only team) with Orlando 25% bigger than Portland and about 80 miles closer.

 

As I said before Las Vegas is its own thing and an exception will likely be made there, but I really don't think Seattle is a shoo-in as everyone is assuming. With two new teams, and New Orleans (a tiny market smaller than Louisville with a NFL team also) relocating, these East of the Rockies cities should really be trying here instead of assuming the two West Coast cities are a foregone conclusion.

 

Let's hope ex-mayor Coleman is still on our campaign trails. I'd put us next up behind St. Louis honestly with Baltimore likely unable to finance an arena and Cincinnati likewise unable to with PBS $$$ about to be spent; unless it goes to the Kentucky side.

Edited May 6, 20223 yr by aderwent

1 hour ago, Toddguy said:

If we did they would probably be lined with ugly dead industry and prone to severe flooding while lined with huge massive dikes, damned with locks for transport, etc. The Ohio River is not exactly scenic IMO.  Just imagine the old *damned Scioto downtown just three times as wide with higher walls but just as muddy, dirty, trashy. 

 

We likely lucked out. Our smaller rivers and streams are much more "people sized" and good for fishing, canoeing, etc. -stuff that does not cost a fortune. How many people here could afford a large boat for a large body of water? Look at Cleveland. Now much do they really use the lake, and how many people out of the 4 million or so in NEO have a boat or are actually on or in Lake Erie? Same for the Ohio River and Cincinnati. 

 

At least we don't have to worry about our metro being lopsided due to a huge body of water, or cut in two by a large river(look at the issues with needing huge bridges and the billions of dollars needed for constructing them?)...again, silver linings.

 

*I guess I meant "dammed" but "damned" is also appropriate.

*Ohio has one of the largest number of boat registrations in the country.

 

A lot of boats in Cleveland and there are large marinas on the river and both sides of town that are full during the season. Not to mention the private yacht clubs as well.
 

Many people from the Cleveland area also keep their boats out by the islands and Sandusky, some out east in Madison, Geneva, Fairport Harbor, etc.

 

Cincinnati has more boats than you think as well. I would say Pittsburgh has more though but they also have more water.

Edited May 6, 20223 yr by wpcc88
To add Ohio’s boater registration numbers.

2 minutes ago, wpcc88 said:

 

Edited May 6, 20223 yr by wpcc88
Deleted

23 hours ago, DTCL11 said:

Crazy Idea. Connect Morse and Bethel finally but only for pedestrians, bikes, and busses and connects many of the 5 on the north. Re envision all of Morse/Bethel. And the residents might be less resistant than the prior plans since it wouldn't be general traffic and in theory, wouldn't require as much of a right of way as prior auto centric proposals. 🤔

 

Low-key love this idea. I always thought it was a shame the two were never connected, though I completely understand that it would completely disrupt an entire neighborhood in a way that would be extremely hard to mitigate. The possibility of a pedestrian, bike and possibly bus middle ground could be that potential mitigation. But looking at Google Map images of W. Rathbone Rd., it would definitely need some upgrades to make that a reality. The COTA Delawanda Park & Ride is right on the corner of High and Rathbone, too. A connector to Bethel would do wonders for transit connectivity.

On 5/4/2022 at 2:43 PM, Toddguy said:

So I saw in the Cincinnati thread that the New Orleans team might be relocating. Too bad we do not have a go-getter like Coleman to try 2012 all over again, but with another weapon to be used-the coming boom with Intel! 

 

*We are booming/Intel coming/great site already existing and getting renovated/good rivalry potential with hated Cleveland/etc. etc. 

 

We just need a leader here instead of a head administrator(current mayor). Without one we have no chance at all. Too bad. We don't have the legacy stuff that older cities have and should fight tooth and nail for every. single. large-scale  cultural amenity that we even have the remotest chance of getting. 

 

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

 

Kinda torn on this. Agreed that pursuing a team can at the very least elevate the city's presence in major league sports and still leave the city in mind as a potential contender in the future. That's of course assuming that Columbus wouldn't land a team, which in the present environment, would be the most likely outcome. But at the same time is it worth all the time and effort to try and persuade an NBA team to set up shop in Columbus when there are other, more viable endeavors out there (NCAA, MAC, etc.).  I will say though, it is fun to hypothesize how it would work and what other cities could be potential contenders. Given the current conversation, I'd imagine Seattle would get a team first. Though honestly I'd love to see Louisville snag a pro basketball team.

^Somehow that would piss off UK fans.

^To be fair, Louisville isn't exactly UK country.  Louisville and Lexington are like Cincinnati and Columbus (OSU).

Yeah but they don't like Louisville the school

2 hours ago, aderwent said:

St. Louis: A large, also regional, city with only MLB and NHL. NHL provides a ready-to-go arena. Downside: two winter sports.

 

Cincinnati: A medium city with two teams already and no arena. However, in a hotbed of (college) basketball fandom.

 

Columbus: A medium city with only one team and a ready-to-go arena(s), but both teams would be winter sports and fairly close to Cleveland.

 

Pittsburgh: A medium city with three teams already, and proximity to Cleveland, but with a ready-to-go arena.

 

Nashville: A newly medium city growing off the charts, but with two t

Columbus, Cincinnati and Nashville all have relatively well supported MLS teams. It’s odd that you are ignoring those. StL will also have an MLS team starting next year and by all accounts they will be very well supported. 

1 hour ago, cbussoccer said:

Columbus, Cincinnati and Nashville all have relatively well supported MLS teams. It’s odd that you are ignoring those. StL will also have an MLS team starting next year and by all accounts they will be very well supported. 

A) MLS is a Spring/Summer league. NBA is Winter/Spring.

 

B) Just the Power Five i.e. half of Division I college football makes almost 50% more per team than MLS. It's really not pertinent to the discussion of Major Four sports teams and their locations.

Sometimes I think we get carried away with the impact sports teams have on a city from a national perspective. When I travel and go out to a bar after work, I make it a point to talk hockey with some stranger and then ask them have they ever heard of the CBJ. Rarely do they say yes. In fact, they usually give me a befuddled look.  Does Jacksonville having a NFL team or OKC having the Thunder or Indy having two teams impress you so much you want to pack your bags and move there? I'm glad we have the CBJ and Crew and would love a MLB or NFL team, but I'm not sure people from around the country would change their minds that much about the perception of our fair city.

6 hours ago, wpcc88 said:

*Ohio has one of the largest number of boat registrations in the country.

 

A lot of boats in Cleveland and there are large marinas on the river and both sides of town that are full during the season. Not to mention the private yacht clubs as well.
 

Many people from the Cleveland area also keep their boats out by the islands and Sandusky, some out east in Madison, Geneva, Fairport Harbor, etc.

 

Cincinnati has more boats than you think as well. I would say Pittsburgh has more though but they also have more water.

Quote

*Ohio has one of the largest number of boat registrations in the country.

well TIL... lol.  I will admit I think the lake is a better thing to have than a large river(you don't have to build a bridge(s) across it)and the islands and Cedar Point are nice too(too bad Cleveland is not closer to them, and too bad we do not have an interstate, light rail, etc. directly from Cbus to say Sandusky(dammit!). Plus Sandusky does not have the lake effect snow right? Too bad Sandusky did not become a bigger city.  I wonder how much the turnpike still being a turnpike and not just a regular interstate has to do with the city and it's ability to grow? 

 

I wonder what the numbers with the boats are? I mean given that NEO has what?-4 million people. What percentage of households would have a boat of some kind?  Plus a meteor or asteroid of good size landing in the lake would cause a huge tsunami! lol. There is always a good side and a bad side lol. Didn't Cleveland have some kind of tsunami or freak seiche way back when that killed some people?

 

*and why is spellcheck telling me that "seiche" is not spelled right or is not a word????? *hmpf!

 

Quote

seiche

/sā(t)SH/

noun

a temporary disturbance or oscillation in the water level of a lake or partially enclosed body of water, especially one caused by changes in atmospheric pressure.

 

 

Isn't Cincy involved in bridge stuff now and considering a new very costly bridge or something like that? I am not really that impressed with the Ohio River given how it is such a transport artery and kinda like a series of ponds with the locks and dams-except that ponds don't flood anything like the Ohio River-and that hurts the riverfronts of anything along it. JMHO of course. Cincy is scenic with it's forested hills and all.

1 hour ago, John7165 said:

Sometimes I think we get carried away with the impact sports teams have on a city from a national perspective. When I travel and go out to a bar after work, I make it a point to talk hockey with some stranger and then ask them have they ever heard of the CBJ. Rarely do they say yes. In fact, they usually give me a befuddled look.  Does Jacksonville having a NFL team or OKC having the Thunder or Indy having two teams impress you so much you want to pack your bags and move there? I'm glad we have the CBJ and Crew and would love a MLB or NFL team, but I'm not sure people from around the country would change their minds that much about the perception of our fair city.

 

You're asking about a "newer" hockey team. A team with little national exposure in the least watched major four sport. Much less chance of even accidentally watching or hearing about them.

 

I think you're thinking about it wrong. It's not that people who don't watch learn about places; obviously, because they don't watch. 

 

Now, ask your average person how big they think New Orleans is. I can almost guarantee the average person believes it's much larger than it is. Does this make people move there? Obviously not, but it's giant, free marketing.

 

Ohio State football and for awhile basketball in this media exposure age that's come about since the early 2000s has been fantastic exposure for Columbus.

 

Also, getting another at least 41 events to NWA would greatly boost surrounding business and help pay the bills there, too.

7 hours ago, Toddguy said:

 

**Also, cornfields are underrated! lol

 

I think that there can be a sort of intrinsic beauty in farm fields, orchards, dairy farms, horse and llama farms, etc(all close by)-This is productive land that is producing something, food or whatever, for people to use. I especially like the orchards and the changes in the cornfields-how narrow country roads can go from so open in the winter to being lined with walls of green corn in the summer.

Can't wait to turn that land into a data center, warehouse, or housing development. At least if it's a housing development they'll name it after whatever it uses to be.

 

Also, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET AN NBA team. You're delusional if you think otherwise. When the Cavs were in the playoffs the top TV markets were Cleveland, San Francisco, and Columbus. You know what would be really dumb, to cannibalize the Cavs own fan base and revenues by putting a team in Columbus. Seattle is going to get a team and then probably Vegas (although you can now gamble in alot of states so not as certain on that one).  The only way we get an NBA team is if Lex Wexner's dying wish is to donate his billions to Adam Silver in exchange for a Columbus franchise. 

2 hours ago, John7165 said:

Sometimes I think we get carried away with the impact sports teams have on a city from a national perspective. When I travel and go out to a bar after work, I make it a point to talk hockey with some stranger and then ask them have they ever heard of the CBJ. Rarely do they say yes. In fact, they usually give me a befuddled look.  Does Jacksonville having a NFL team or OKC having the Thunder or Indy having two teams impress you so much you want to pack your bags and move there? I'm glad we have the CBJ and Crew and would love a MLB or NFL team, but I'm not sure people from around the country would change their minds that much about the perception of our fair city.

Jacksonville does not need anything but it's skyline-which is World famous and is much better than the skyline of Toronto. See Skyscraperpage for more info.

 

Otherwise it depends...if a city already has some negative perceptions pro sports don't really help, and can even hurt if the team is at times completely winless and abysmal(won't mention any names here)-it just becomes something more to rag on the city about.

 

Best to have a Good perception and Worst to have a bad perception when it comes to cities. Not much of an impression or perception at all is in between the two IMO.  

 

There are much more important things people consider when it comes to where they want to live or move to.

4 minutes ago, 17thState said:

Can't wait to turn that land into a data center, warehouse, or housing development. At least if it's a housing development they'll name it after whatever it uses to be.

 

Also, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET AN NBA team. You're delusional if you think otherwise. When the Cavs were in the playoffs the top TV markets were Cleveland, San Francisco, and Columbus. You know what would be really dumb, to cannibalize the Cavs own fan base and revenues by putting a team in Columbus. Seattle is going to get a team and then probably Vegas (although you can now gamble in alot of states so not as certain on that one).  The only way we get an NBA team is if Lex Wexner's dying wish is to donate his billions to Adam Silver in exchange for a Columbus franchise. 

Regarding the first part...how dare you! So screw the city and let's all praise unrestricted SUBURBAN SPRAWL on an urban forum! SMH! lol. PROTECT THE DARBY CREEKS WATERSHED!  

 

Welcome to Darby Creek National Scenic River Estates and Apartment Homes!  Gentle Wildflower Patch Condos and Pristine Wetlands Shopping Center are coming soon!

 

 

 

The second part...yeah I know.  :(

1 hour ago, Toddguy said:

Jacksonville does not need anything but it's skyline-which is World famous and is much better than the skyline of Toronto. See Skyscraperpage for more info.

 

 

 

 

Jacksonville has a more impressive skyline than Toronto???

34 minutes ago, John7165 said:

Jacksonville has a more impressive skyline than Toronto???

Yeah, Jacksonville has a horrible skyline, especially when compared to Toronto. 

There's got to be a version of Godwin's law that applies to comparing skylines. 

 

 

4 hours ago, John7165 said:

Sometimes I think we get carried away with the impact sports teams have on a city from a national perspective. When I travel and go out to a bar after work, I make it a point to talk hockey with some stranger and then ask them have they ever heard of the CBJ. Rarely do they say yes. In fact, they usually give me a befuddled look.  Does Jacksonville having a NFL team or OKC having the Thunder or Indy having two teams impress you so much you want to pack your bags and move there? I'm glad we have the CBJ and Crew and would love a MLB or NFL team, but I'm not sure people from around the country would change their minds that much about the perception of our fair city.

Move to? No. Visit? More likely. I think tourism is a bigger win for the area than anything else. 

1 hour ago, John7165 said:

Jacksonville has a more impressive skyline than Toronto???

 

38 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

Yeah, Jacksonville has a horrible skyline, especially when compared to Toronto. 

 

It's a SkyscraperPage inside joke.

Inside joke or not, y'all be sleeping on the Ft Wayne Skyline. 

While perusing information about the GCCC, I stumbled across this article:

 

https://archinect.com/news/article/150113766/nearly-three-decades-old-eisenman-s-still-laser-less-greater-columbus-convention-center-revisited

 

Did anyone know that, apparently, the convention center area was supposed to have lasers pointed at different angles to accentuate the building?! 😱

Thank God the crack-era is dying down.

That was back when big spotlights were still used to promote events. You saw one of those and you went Downtown if you were bored just to see what was going on. One time we went and it turned out to be just like, a midnight sale at Bobb Chevrolet or something. 

And if this was done in 1988 then that was the summer of the Pink Floyd laser light shows on the side of a building Downtown.

The stray cat problem would've been horrendous.  

Does it drive anyone else mad how loooong it takes for some of these projects to be built? 

Just a reminder-

 The Urban Living Tour is this Sunday, May 22 from 9 to 5

(And, at least for now, the weather looks like it might be perfect!)

 

If interested, more info can be found here:

 

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/urban-living-tour-2022-presented-by-elm-iron-tickets-303630716647?aff=ads

 

 

I'm especially interested in checking out some of the new units at Quarry Trails.

Anyone else thinking about going?

I’m thinking about it! 

Not sure if there’s a thread for this area of the city:
 

 Casto, Homeport almost ready to start leasing apartments on East Broad Street
 

 

“Columbus developers Casto and Homeport are almost ready for leasing to start at their Killarney Woods apartment development on East Broad Street near Blacklick. 

 

The development is located on a 29-acre site across the street from an L Brands distribution center, near Mount Carmel East.

The development includes 15 apartment buildings, with a total of 200 units. There are 88 one-bedroom, 104 two-bedroom and eight three-bedroom apartments. Half of the units in Killarney Woods are earmarked for individuals and families earning a maximum of 80% of the area median income.

 

The first move-ins will start in June. Casto will manage the apartments. There will be open houses once a month through August, starting this week.“

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/05/17/apartments-killarney-woods-casto-homeport.html

3 New Public Art Pieces on Display Across Columbus

 

Columbus is seeing an influx of public art pieces, with three new works recently making their debuts in neighborhoods across the city. 

 

For the three, please click below!:

https://columbusunderground.com/3-new-public-art-pieces-on-display-across-columbus-kc1/

 

22 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

3 New Public Art Pieces on Display Across Columbus

 

Columbus is seeing an influx of public art pieces, with three new works recently making their debuts in neighborhoods across the city. 

 

For the three, please click below!:

https://columbusunderground.com/3-new-public-art-pieces-on-display-across-columbus-kc1/

 

All three of these...well, I was raised if you don't have anything nice to say, then just don't say anything. I'll leave it there.

I actually like the slingshot, it's fun and quirky kind of like deer statues that are over there.

 

Nothing says welcome to the south side like a bright yellow funnel? It's too abstract to be meaningful and too small to impress just on scale alone. It looks like some playground equipment after a tornado. 

1 hour ago, 17thState said:

I actually like the slingshot, it's fun and quirky kind of like deer statues that are over there.

 

Nothing says welcome to the south side like a bright yellow funnel? It's too abstract to be meaningful and too small to impress just on scale alone. It looks like some playground equipment after a tornado. 

It’ll be interesting to see how it looks once they complete it with the plants growing on/around it. I’m sure it’ll be much mo I appealing then. 
 

And yeah, the slingshot is quirky enough to be enjoyable. I like it better than the SN Fortress of Solitude statue, anyway. 

 

Columbus airport terminal project scores funding to relocate a 4,500-foot taxiway to enable construction of a new passenger terminal 

 

 

"Construction literally paving the way for a replacement terminal at John Glenn Columbus International Airport is among recipients of the first Congressional earmarks after a decade-long ban.

 

The Columbus Regional Airport Authority is seeking bids for the first phase of construction to relocate a 4,500-foot taxiway to enable construction of a new passenger terminal and ensure safer aircraft movement to and from the facility.

 

Construction of the $25 million project is expected to start next spring and take just over three years, an airport spokeswoman said.

 

A $2.25 million Community Project Funding grant – that's the official term for earmarks – that Ohio's U.S. Senator Sherrod Brown added to this spring's bipartisan federal appropriations bill is supporting the taxiway project.

 

The portion out for bid now is expected to cost north of $9 million for demolition, paving and infrastructure. Proposals are due in mid-June.

 

The authority last month selected the design team for the 35-40 gate terminal that would replace an outdated 1958 structure. Design and construction are expected to take six years and costs are likely to exceed $1 billion."

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/05/24/cmh-terminal-prep-earmark.html

 

 

11 hours ago, Luvcbus said:

 

Columbus airport terminal project scores funding to relocate a 4,500-foot taxiway to enable construction of a new passenger terminal 

 

 

"Construction literally paving the way for a replacement terminal at John Glenn Columbus International Airport is among recipients of the first Congressional earmarks after a decade-long ban.

 

The Columbus Regional Airport Authority is seeking bids for the first phase of construction to relocate a 4,500-foot taxiway to enable construction of a new passenger terminal and ensure safer aircraft movement to and from the facility.

 

Construction of the $25 million project is expected to start next spring and take just over three years, an airport spokeswoman said.

 

A $2.25 million Community Project Funding grant – that's the official term for earmarks – that Ohio's U.S. Senator Sherrod Brown added to this spring's bipartisan federal appropriations bill is supporting the taxiway project.

 

The portion out for bid now is expected to cost north of $9 million for demolition, paving and infrastructure. Proposals are due in mid-June.

 

The authority last month selected the design team for the 35-40 gate terminal that would replace an outdated 1958 structure. Design and construction are expected to take six years and costs are likely to exceed $1 billion."

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/05/24/cmh-terminal-prep-earmark.html

 

 

It is a 25 million dollar project but will take over three years? Just for a 4500 foot taxiway? That just seems like a long time to me.

 

Otherwise great!-the sooner we get the new terminal the better.

It seems reasonable to me. There's a lot of work below grade to construct a taxiway to support the weight of aircraft. Depending on soils, there may be excavation as deep as 3' or more. Then you replace it with aggregate of various layers. The concrete it self is about 12" thick with steel reinforcing. I'm sure the concrete mix is different as well - it's not like pouring a sidewalk!