wow... looks like i have a lunch excursion planned.  Mayday shouldn't you be taking pictures or something... :roll:

This may be a dumb question, but they say the pipes and everything were relatively new, having been put in as part of the EC project, and that it was just an "act of nature" due to the ice storm. Ice and snow are part of every winter here. I don't get why something so new would give way so soon?

 

pretty sure that is the typical misinformation that the "breaking news" likes to speculate.  there were some newer water pipes in this area, but they didn't redo all of the water pipes through the square.

I wouldn't be quite as concerned about this being anything other than an isolated incident ... except it isn't. The entire south side of Ontario collapsed at about E. 17th a couple weeks back. Again, this was a HUGE section of the street that just fell in on itself. It required several weeks of repair along a stretch from E. 17th to about E. 26th.

Where is East 17th and Ontario?

Where is East 17th and Ontario?

 

Buffalo.

 

 

Folks, there's a thread about this - and this technically doesn't involve ECP.

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,15524.msg264576.html#new

I think he means superior & East 17, IIRC. 

 

sorry I posted this after the "friendly reminder"....

http://www.riderta.com/nu_newsroom_releases.asp?listingid=1146

 

RTA schedules two public hearings to discuss the proof of payment fare collection system.

bump

 

Come on guys, let's have some EC discussion

bump

 

Come on guys, let's have some EC discussion

 

concrete pillars down a major street

concrete pillars down a major street

they are actually starting to make some pretty good progress now that the weather is breaking a little.  I saw today they poured the remaining road between 14th and the Huron Road instersection... and the Huron intersection is pretty much complete.

concrete pillars down a major street

 

huh?

Each week, crews and staff do a lot of work along the Corridor. Here is just some of the stuff that was done in the week ending Sunday, March 30.

 

* Continued utility work between East 14th and Public Square.

* Placed transit lane from East 14th to East 13th.

* Began paving the East 13th Street intersection.

* Continued drainage and utility work from East 86th to East 105th.

* Removed existing curb and sidewalk on the north side of Euclid Avenue, East 86th to East 105th Street.

* Completed signal and light pole foundation removals on the north side, near Clinic.

* Worked on lighting and communication duct work on the north side of Euclid Avenue near East 93rd.

* Worked on new Cleveland Public Power duct bank heading north on East 89th Street.

* Placed curbside station foundation at East 115th Street.

* Continued grading and preparing for sidewalk and curb placement on the north side, from East 115th to East 118th.

* Completed the initial installation of University Curbside Station, ECTP #35, Stokes Boulevard Westbound.

 

I don't know about you, but I get tired just reading all this.

wait so they do something besides stand around and make cat calls / whistles to pretty ladies that walk by?  j/k :)

I'm continually impressed how diligently the construction workers are making progress, despite horrible weather, and am somewhat amazed it doesn't impact my driving routes much at all (as a Euclid Ave resident). Pedestrian pathways leave something to be desired, but overall, impressive.

^Check out some of the university circle threads, there are plans to reconfigure the whole traffic and sidewalks around Euclid Ave in the Circle.

Question Question!

 

Why is there a large swatch of concrete in front of the Park Building on Public Square?  Does it have something to do w/ underground utilities or is it going to be replaced with bricks?

 

thanks!

It does have something to do with underground utilities.  Apparently somewhere along the line a mistake was made in grading.  Originally the concrete was supposed to be temporary, then they said it kind of "is what it is".  The owner/developer of the park building is working on it.  I know he said at least they would supply the bricks when the problem is solved.

If anyone cares there's directional and station signage present on the Tower City Health Line stop Shelter.

Pics??

Pics??

 

I only PM them to people who live in Cleveland.

Pics??

 

I only PM them to people who live in Cleveland.

 

Ouch....

I rode the Silver Line (sorry, I don't like the Health Line name) on Saturday from Tower City to Mayfield Road.  Progress seems to have really sped up.  I saw even more for lease and for sale signs on buildings and a couple more renovation projects (don't recall exactly where, though). 

Thanks McCleveland!

 

 

Why does the corridor require separate loading islands for east and west?  Could this not have been achieved with just one island?  I have been told that it is because of the location of the doors open on the buses.  Could the door not have been placed on the opposite side?  Thanks.

^In some places (lower Euclid), I think there is only one station island.  But for most of the route, where there are two islands, I think it might have to do with the light preemption.  All of the stops are just after the intersection (e.g., east bound stops are east of the light) so that the light can be pre-empted as the bus approaches without having to factor in loading/unloading time) (which could vary).  That's mostly a guess though.  I wondered the same thing- having a single center island station in more places would certainly reduce capital and maintenance costs.

The Rapid Transit Vehicles have doors on both sides. Everything in the project is designed for speed -- separate platforms, signal preemption, off-board fare purchases, and platform curbs even with the front doors, so wheelchairs can roll right on.

Thanks for the response.  But just so I'm clear, it could have been designed with only one island station handling east-bound and west-bound traffic, correct?   

Thanks for the response.  But just so I'm clear, it could have been designed with only one island station handling east-bound and west-bound traffic, correct?   

 

"Could have been" is a loaded phrase, as throughout history, many things "could have been" done... IANAPE, but my admittedly layman's opinion would have to be no, not and realize the same infrastructure benefits that the system as built offers.

 

First off, there's the question of vehicle doors. The stretch of Euclid from Playhouse Square to midtown will also be served by the #7X, #9X, and #32X buses, and single center platforms would mean needing dual-side entry vehicles dedicated to those routes (since they would be providing conventional curbside service off the Corridor). The left-side entry platforms downtown are for RTV use only, so there was no need to make concessions to traditional transit vehicle access in that area.

 

Second is the matter, as StrapHanger so nicely summarized, of signal prioritization. With a single platform, one direction of travel is always on the "wrong" side of the signal. Placing the platforms immediately after the signal ensures that there will be no signal delays or missed signals due to an extended boarding layover. This holds true as much for auto traffic as for the RTV -- we don't want auto traffic to be any more delayed than is necessary for the RTV to traverse the route.

 

Finally is the question of traffic layout. A single (most likely wider) platform substantially widens each affected intersection, potentially creating blind spots for automobile traffic and resulting in longer pedestrian transit times (yes, only a few seconds, but it makes a difference in the "big picture" of maintaining traffic flow). In certain areas, such width was not physically achievable due to the presence of existing structures.

 

The wider platform would also create "bellies" in the lane layout (think of the classic picture of a boa constrictor with a pig in its stomach) where the transit and traffic lanes have to expand around the platform, and then contract back to normal (non-platform) lane orientation. Offset platforms average out these "bellies" into smoother undulations, again contributing to speedy traffic flow.

 

For a really good set of resources on BRT, including links to the FTA and other cities' BRT systems, take a look here: http://www.calstart.org/programs/brt/new/newbrtlinks.php.

 

 

" The stretch of Euclid from Playhouse Square to midtown will also be served by the #7X, #9X, and #32X buses, and single center platforms would mean needing dual-side entry vehicles dedicated to those routes (since they would be providing conventional curbside service off the Corridor).

 

I was under the impression that these buses would be rerouted off of Euclid once the corridor is completed.

 

" The stretch of Euclid from Playhouse Square to midtown will also be served by the #7X, #9X, and #32X buses, and single center platforms would mean needing dual-side entry vehicles dedicated to those routes (since they would be providing conventional curbside service off the Corridor).

 

I was under the impression that these buses would be rerouted off of Euclid once the corridor is completed.

 

Those were some of the original intentions as reported in the media (not necessarily as envisioned by RTA).

 

The plan at this point, to provide the greatest flexibility of travel and lowest potential for transfers, is that the (downtown-serving) #7X, #9X, and #32X will all serve Euclid Avenue east of E 17th St, with the #7X and #32X exiting at Stearns Rd to connect to the University Rapid Station, and the #9X continuing on Euclid to Mayfield.

hahaha - a european laugh-

 

Each week, crews and staff do a lot of work along the Corridor. Here is just some of the stuff that was done in the week ending Sunday, March 30.

 

* Continued utility work between East 14th and Public Square.

* Placed transit lane from East 14th to East 13th.

* Began paving the East 13th Street intersection.

* Continued drainage and utility work from East 86th to East 105th.

* Removed existing curb and sidewalk on the north side of Euclid Avenue, East 86th to East 105th Street.

* Completed signal and light pole foundation removals on the north side, near Clinic.

* Worked on lighting and communication duct work on the north side of Euclid Avenue near East 93rd.

* Worked on new Cleveland Public Power duct bank heading north on East 89th Street.

* Placed curbside station foundation at East 115th Street.

* Continued grading and preparing for sidewalk and curb placement on the north side, from East 115th to East 118th.

* Completed the initial installation of University Curbside Station, ECTP #35, Stokes Boulevard Westbound.

 

I don't know about you, but I get tired just reading all this.

hahaha - a european laugh-

 

Each week, crews and staff do a lot of work along the Corridor. Here is just some of the stuff that was done in the week ending Sunday, March 30.

 

* Continued utility work between East 14th and Public Square.

* Placed transit lane from East 14th to East 13th.

* Began paving the East 13th Street intersection.

* Continued drainage and utility work from East 86th to East 105th.

* Removed existing curb and sidewalk on the north side of Euclid Avenue, East 86th to East 105th Street.

* Completed signal and light pole foundation removals on the north side, near Clinic.

* Worked on lighting and communication duct work on the north side of Euclid Avenue near East 93rd.

* Worked on new Cleveland Public Power duct bank heading north on East 89th Street.

* Placed curbside station foundation at East 115th Street.

* Continued grading and preparing for sidewalk and curb placement on the north side, from East 115th to East 118th.

* Completed the initial installation of University Curbside Station, ECTP #35, Stokes Boulevard Westbound.

 

I don't know about you, but I get tired just reading all this.

 

I know I'm going to regret asking this, but was there a reason for that comment?

No. Edsiou's comments typically are not based in reason.

I found out a few days ago that one of the few clothing retailers left on lower Euclid is going to open up a small 'stylish' bar in his space as a means of appealing to the eventual increase in foot traffic and drawing in customers during night time business hours. He plans on opening it in the next month or two.

I found out a few days ago that one of the few clothing retailers left on lower Euclid is going to open up a small 'stylish' bar in his space as a means of appealing to the eventual increase in foot traffic and drawing in customers during night time business hours. He plans on opening it in the next month or two.

 

Any insight as to who/where or is this mildly secretive?

What happened to the Corridor's official site?  The most recent photos seemed to be taken ages ago.

What happened to the Corridor's official site?  The most recent photos seemed to be taken ages ago.

 

You may want to check out the periodic update presentations that have been provided to RTA's Board of Trustees. Go to the Newsroom (http://www.riderta.com/nu_newsroom.asp) and check out any of the "Board highlights" entries.

WCPN's Sound of Ideas did a nice piece on the Euclid Corridor this past Monday.

 

 

You can listen online @

http://www.wcpn.org/index.php/WCPN/soi/10786/

 

Guests:

Joe Marinucci, President and CEO, Downtown Cleveland Alliance

Tom Einhouse, VP, Real Estate Development, Playhouse Square

Jim Haviland, Executive Director, Midtown Cleveland, Inc.

Joe Calabrese, CEO, Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority

 

 

^That's a GREAT listen.

If by lower Euclid you mean City Blue, god I hope you're wrong!

A few shots of new stations in University Circle, where the stations will be curbside:

 

Adelbert Road Station:

 

Cornell Road Station:

 

Some prominent above-ground utility boxes:

oh my little university circle, how I miss you some days. thanks map boy.

I had originally thought that the roadway was being completely throughout the project, but after sometime ago noticing that they were only replacing curbs and sidewalks east of the clinic, i have been under the assumption that they are simply going to repave this stretch.... does anyone know for sure if that is the case?

"mill & fill" is what I hear.  I suppose that does not entail the full treatment that the rest of the corridor received... rebar reinforced concrete and what not.  But I'm not exactly sure what it does mean.

WCPN's Sound of Ideas did a nice piece on the Euclid Corridor this past Monday.

 

 

You can listen online @

http://www.wcpn.org/index.php/WCPN/soi/10786/

 

Guests:

Joe Marinucci, President and CEO, Downtown Cleveland Alliance

Tom Einhouse, VP, Real Estate Development, Playhouse Square

Jim Haviland, Executive Director, Midtown Cleveland, Inc.

Joe Calabrese, CEO, Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority

 

 

 

nice piece, and of the first comprehensive development talks I've heard in a while... it actually seems like there's more than just some esoteric "vision" involved in this, but instead hard evidence of plans being pursued...

 

on an unrelated (to the OP, but related to the thread) point, the Euclid Corridor RTV will be on display at Earthfest at the Zoo this Sunday, staffed by RTA employees (including yours truly from noon - 2:00pm) who can answer any questions you might have about the vehicle or the project, or even other RTA concerns... current forecast for Sunday is 30% chance of showers, with a high around 60 degrees, hope to see many of you there...

on an unrelated (to the OP, but related to the thread) point, the Euclid Corridor RTV will be on display at Earthfest at the Zoo this Sunday, staffed by RTA employees (including yours truly from noon - 2:00pm) who can answer any questions you might have about the vehicle or the project, or even other RTA concerns... current forecast for Sunday is 30% chance of showers, with a high around 60 degrees, hope to see many of you there...

 

Do RTA employees have to put a quarter in a jar each time they refer to the "RTV" as a "bus"?

"mill & fill" is what I hear.  I suppose that does not entail the full treatment that the rest of the corridor received... rebar reinforced concrete and what not.  But I'm not exactly sure what it does mean.

 

Yeah, thanks for the photos- very cool to see the shelters, er, stations go up.  So how will the new UC streetscape play out- are they going to be digging up all the new concrete RTA has been pouring?

"mill & fill" is what I hear.  I suppose that does not entail the full treatment that the rest of the corridor received... rebar reinforced concrete and what not.  But I'm not exactly sure what it does mean.

 

Without saying for certain if this is what will happen (I'll check on it today), "mill & fill" is the common description for grinding down the surface of the road to a level base, followed by a skin-paving of normally not more than a couple inches of new asphalt. In instances where the road's sub-base is solid and the overall grade isn't being substantially changed, this method makes economic sense and can be very durable.

 

If you notice, the "pads" at the stations are still concrete (a technique that is used on many routes, including the #1 St. Clair), even if the road surface isn't.