New downtown maps on display around downtown show NOACA and the Title Bureau in reverse, though these are the maps different places around Downtown and I assume you're referring to the maps only on the Corridor?

 

Right.  The maps on them aren't really there to be functional, they're more illustrative.  Euclid and the square are highlighted.  And they're whopperjawed.  Catywompus.  Higgledy-piggledy.   

Regarding the comment about the uneven landscaping, I see no rhyme or reason as to where there are trees on the sidewalks and where not, and the vast differences in overall landscaping from one block to another.  Is there actually a pattern?

 

in the downtown section this has to do with the presence of underground vaults.  basically all of euclid ave from public square to e18 had underground vaults connected to the basements of buildings.  many were used for utilities or storage, but some, like the one in front of the statler at e12 was actually a former bar.  kind of sad to see this go, although it hadn't been in use for years.

 

the building owners could either pay to have the vaults renovated and restored, or filled in.  Many of the buildings had the vaults filled in, and today, there are trees that now grow where vaults were.  some buildings, the playhouse square area and the rotunda for example still have working vaults, and therefore no sidewalk trees.

 

there will be some aboveground plantings in certain sections (playhouse square), and there are already automatic water connections under the brick sidewalks in the future locations for these large "pots" that will sit on top of the sidewalk.

A bar under the sidewalk???  Who ran it or went there?  Too bad these lockers influenced where trees were planted!  But the lockers weren't all down Euclid, were they?  There's a very uneven pattern or lack there-of all the way down Euclid.

A bar under the sidewalk???  Who ran it or went there?  Too bad these lockers influenced where trees were planted!  But the lockers weren't all down Euclid, were they?  There's a very uneven pattern or lack there-of all the way down Euclid.

 

Thats how building were built in most major cities.  Also there are/were service and/or maintence elevators infront of some buildings.  These vaults and service elevators were built for delivery's, utlities, etc., back...back in the day.

They still use the in-sidewalk elevator at the Metzenbaum Court House.  Not sure is any others are still in use.

If these storage lockers were or are so common, how come so many cities have main commercial districts with regularly placed trees?  Other than a few particularly European-influenced cities, such as Washington,

U.S. cities started adding in-ground trees (or trees in pots) in the late '60s.  Within a few decades the tree-lined "Main Streets" have become almost universal.

Cleveland is an old city. We're not Charlotte or Jacksonville. Most of our buildings were built before the 60's.

If these storage lockers were or are so common, how come so many cities have main commercial districts with regularly placed trees?  Other than a few particularly European-influenced cities, such as Washington,

U.S. cities started adding in-ground trees (or trees in pots) in the late '60s.  Within a few decades the tree-lined "Main Streets" have become almost universal.

 

OK we're getting way off subject. 

 

Seems like you don't like the "look" and are now nitpicking.

 

Boston, Philly, Cleveland, Chicago, St. Louis all have similar street scapes in their CBDs.

 

Moving on.

Not in the least off the subject!  The storage lockers and streetscaping are very much a part of the HealthLine/Euclid Corridor project!  You may be less interested in them than other topics, but surely that's no excuse to blow them off or try to stifle them. :?

Not in the least off the subject!  The storage lockers and streetscaping are very much a part of the HealthLine/Euclid Corridor project!  You may be less interested in them than other topics, but surely that's no excuse to blow them off or try to stifle them. :?

 

Who here is blowing them off?  They are located where they are located.  Just like the 100 year old pipes.

 

Ask Jerry why the plantings, art scape and visuals etc., were placed in those specific locations.  This come across - to me - as complaining without know all the details.

Snapped some random EC shots today but first, something more important...

 

There was some back and forth down thread about the "straightness" of the EC light poles. I believe I witnessed first hand today why some of the poles may be leaning one way or the other. A CPP crew was installing a pole in the UC stretch and the method used to check the pole involved a CPP worker, a 4 ft. piece of string held at arms length and a large nut, the kind used at the base of the pole to bolt it down. Now there's nothing inherently wrong with this low-tech plumb bob method if the person holding the string was maybe a block away or so and therefore able to sight the entire pole from base to top. The pole would also have to be checked twice, once from the curb/side of the street where it was installed and once from across the street -- 90 degrees to the first check. In this case however, the CPP worker had to be standing no more that 15 feet back from the pole on the side walk and spent all of 5 seconds checking the pole with his 4 ft. string before he pronounced it "good".

 

Anyway, on to the pics:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

goodness that looks sooooooooo much better.  Now, just add people and businesses and stir!

Beeeeeeeeeautiful :-D

Thanks.  You can see here, in two photos, some of the stretches in the CC area where there still are - as of today - stretches missing sidewalk light poles.  Are they still to be installed?

Now, just add people and businesses and stir!

 

a vibrant city cocktail

I love the bike lanes

That warehouse building with the mural - what's the story there?  Demolition on that complex began several years ago and then stopped.  Why?  For what?  Who's behind it?  What's the story with them picnic tables in the photo???

RTA undertook the partial demolition to accommodate a wider Euclid. I don't recall why RTA didn't demolish the whole thing. However, this was discussed at the Cleveland demolitions thread.

... What's the story with them picnic tables in the photo???

 

The picnic tables are for Gallucci's Italian Foods across Euclid.

 

http://www.gustgallucci.com/

Thanks.  Just haven't noticed 'em.

Euclid appears to Cleveland's premier Avenue again... Now if we could just get some more TOD in Midtown.  It would also be nice to see more re-development start east of UC...

I suppose you mean east of the E. 115th Street bridge, but I can't wait for the first shovel of dirt east of Mayfield for the "arts triangle."  Of course, some major demolition is needed first!

By the way... does anyone know what is up with the two platforms right by the clinic's new "main entrance", that DON'T have stations on them?  seems kind of odd.

Both platforms have stations in front of the Clinic...  you can see them both in the third picture that redbrick posted.

By the way... does anyone know what is up with the two platforms right by the clinic's new "main entrance", that DON'T have stations on them?  seems kind of odd.

Egads you're right! When they were building those 'stations'  at E 100 and Euclid I figured they were just waiting for additional parts.

 

I do believe I saw the Cleveland Clinic shuttles stopping there on Friday. It wasn't working out so well because the shuttles are normal short buses, and the stairs went down to where a normal curb would be located.

Both platforms have stations in front of the Clinic... you can see them both in the third picture that redbrick posted.

 

look at the first and second pics.  those are right out front of the clinic.

Thanks, redbrick for those great shots!

 

RTA undertook the partial demolition to accommodate a wider Euclid. I don't recall why RTA didn't demolish the whole thing. However, this was discussed at the Cleveland demolitions thread.

 

The building was (is) viable for reuse, so RTA demolished only the southernmost bay to allow for street widening.  As discussed elsewhere, it's a shame, because the building had a handsome facade.  The shorter, but also handsome, building to the immediate west was completely demolished.

Both platforms have stations in front of the Clinic...  you can see them both in the third picture that redbrick posted.

 

look at the first and second pics.  those are right out front of the clinic.

 

They are, but you said "by the Clinic's main entrance."  The spot in those photos is nowhere near 93rd.

sorry... more specifically they appear to be the platforms at East 97th and East 100th.  But my question remains the same... Anyone have any idea why these platforms do not have stations?

I suppose you mean east of the E. 115th Street bridge, but I can't wait for the first shovel of dirt east of Mayfield for the "arts triangle."  Of course, some major demolition is needed first!

 

Primarily, but you mention something I didn't think of...

Greetings..I see a lot of questions here, but my plate is full..I will return asap with answers.

sorry... more specifically they appear to be the platforms at East 97th and East 100th. But my question remains the same... Anyone have any idea why these platforms do not have stations?

 

After work, I made it a point to go down 105th so I could see these stations.  There are shelters up from the Walker building all the way down to 93rd.  I don't think the photos we were looking at show them, but they are there.

^I'm telling you, there are two platforms with no stations (E97th appears to be the westbound one and E100th the east bound).  I was there saturday walking on them very confused.

 

EDIT:  The 2nd and 3rd picks of redbeards shots show these exact platforms pretty clearly.

^I'm very curious to hear the reasons for this.  The CC should be one of the biggest trip generators on the HL...it's hard to imagine why they would have some of the least inviting waiting environments.

^I'm telling you, there are two platforms with no stations (E97th appears to be the westbound one and E100th the east bound).  I was there saturday walking on them very confused.

 

EDIT:  The 2nd and 3rd picks of redbeards shots show these exact platforms pretty clearly.

 

Redbeard??? ha ha...

 

Here's a more direct shot of one of the platforms sans shelter:

 

Yeah, I was mistaken.  Sorry.  It's the platforms on either side of 100th Street.

In the crooked & outmoded lighting discussion someone shared the decorative, dark green fixtures along the Huron Road Mall include a component that cannot be replaced - thus warranting replacement of the entire streetlights "within a week." 

That was over a month ago and thus far "nothing goes."  Whoever shared that: can you offer an update as to these lighting fixtures, please?  They're really among the most attractive around Cleveland and I'd like to see them remain, of course.

I wonder if these will be specially adorned stations?

 

The Clinic is underwriting the project.  Is it possible that there will be "enhanced" stations in their portion of the line?

The other two stops (on either side of 93rd) are the same stations as the rest of the line...

OK.  Then how about this as a possible answer?  The stations aren't complete or ready to be installed.

 

JERRY??

OK. Then how about this as a possible answer?   The stations aren't complete or ready to be installed.

 

JERRY??

 

The only reason I don't believe stations aren't intended is the way they are finished.  The platforms with stations have a large concrete pad in the middle with brick on either side.  Obviously there were a lot of special features during that pour to allow for the electrical lines for the emergency beacons, fare machines, bolts for benches, the concrete beds of the stations, etc.  These don't have any of that... they are completely finished in brick.

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm    :wtf:

 

Strange indeed.

OK. Then how about this as a possible answer? The stations aren't complete or ready to be installed.

 

JERRY??

 

The only reason I don't believe stations aren't intended is the way they are finished. The platforms with stations have a large concrete pad in the middle with brick on either side. Obviously there were a lot of special features during that pour to allow for the electrical lines for the emergency beacons, fare machines, bolts for benches, the concrete beds of the stations, etc. These don't have any of that... they are completely finished in brick.

 

Well they can't be real stations then without the POP stuff.  Maybe they're just a place for clinic employees to pop a squat, eat lunch, and watch the buses go by.  Prrrrrrrrrrety.......... :-D

OK. Then how about this as a possible answer? The stations aren't complete or ready to be installed.

 

JERRY??

 

The only reason I don't believe stations aren't intended is the way they are finished. The platforms with stations have a large concrete pad in the middle with brick on either side. Obviously there were a lot of special features during that pour to allow for the electrical lines for the emergency beacons, fare machines, bolts for benches, the concrete beds of the stations, etc. These don't have any of that... they are completely finished in brick.

 

Well they can't be real stations then without the POP stuff. Maybe they're just a place for clinic employees to pop a squat, eat lunch, and watch the buses go by. Prrrrrrrrrrety.......... :-D

 

theres no benches on the platform though.

Is this the case for both the eastbound and westbound stations (at least what should be stations), or just on the one visible in the above picture?

OK. Then how about this as a possible answer? The stations aren't complete or ready to be installed.

 

JERRY??

 

The only reason I don't believe stations aren't intended is the way they are finished. The platforms with stations have a large concrete pad in the middle with brick on either side. Obviously there were a lot of special features during that pour to allow for the electrical lines for the emergency beacons, fare machines, bolts for benches, the concrete beds of the stations, etc. These don't have any of that... they are completely finished in brick.

 

Well they can't be real stations then without the POP stuff. Maybe they're just a place for clinic employees to pop a squat, eat lunch, and watch the buses go by. Prrrrrrrrrrety.......... :-D

 

theres no benches on the platform though.

Is this the case for both the eastbound and westbound stations (at least what should be stations), or just on the one visible in the above picture?

 

Hence why I said pop a squat ;)

OK.  Then how about this as a possible answer?  The stations aren't complete or ready to be installed.

 

JERRY??

 

The only reason I don't believe stations aren't intended is the way they are finished.  The platforms with stations have a large concrete pad in the middle with brick on either side.  Obviously there were a lot of special features during that pour to allow for the electrical lines for the emergency beacons, fare machines, bolts for benches, the concrete beds of the stations, etc.  These don't have any of that... they are completely finished in brick.

 

Well they can't be real stations then without the POP stuff.  Maybe they're just a place for clinic employees to pop a squat, eat lunch, and watch the buses go by.  Prrrrrrrrrrety.......... :-D

 

theres no benches on the platform though.

Is this the case for both the eastbound and westbound stations (at least what should be stations), or just on the one visible in the above picture?

 

Hence why I said pop a squat ;)

 

I think its time for me to wake up  :sleep:

OK. Then how about this as a possible answer? The stations aren't complete or ready to be installed.

 

JERRY??

 

The only reason I don't believe stations aren't intended is the way they are finished. The platforms with stations have a large concrete pad in the middle with brick on either side. Obviously there were a lot of special features during that pour to allow for the electrical lines for the emergency beacons, fare machines, bolts for benches, the concrete beds of the stations, etc. These don't have any of that... they are completely finished in brick.

 

Well they can't be real stations then without the POP stuff. Maybe they're just a place for clinic employees to pop a squat, eat lunch, and watch the buses go by. Prrrrrrrrrrety.......... :-D

 

theres no benches on the platform though.

Is this the case for both the eastbound and westbound stations (at least what should be stations), or just on the one visible in the above picture?

 

Neither of them have benches or trash bins or access hatches for utilities.  My guess was that, since that corner isn't used as much, they didn't bother with all the fancy stuff.  I don't know, though.

Mystery solved...sort of.  A vague memory lead me back to the Health Line web site (http://www.rtahealthline.com/healthline-flash.html) which confirmed that the E100th St stop is designed to be drop-off only, hence the lack of station structure and amenities.

 

So I guess the question for Jerry (when he gets a chance) is why the E100 station was designed to be drop-off only?

Thanks strap... though i still find it odd... why even bother with a stop? why not just have the clinic station and the 105th station and not slow things down

^Yep, I'm wondering the same thing.  From E93rd to Stokes, there are three other full stations over less than a half mile distance, so not sure why E100 was needed at all.  Best guess is that the Clinic wanted RTA to be able to drop people off close to the front door of the Crile Building but didn't care so much to get them picked up there.  Weird.

 

On a related topic, I wonder if getting the Health Line going will change Clinic or UH parking policies or remote parking lot shuttle services at all.  Probably not.