Cool!  Are they green?  Or do they change colors or what?

Cool!  Are they green?  Or do they change colors or what?

 

I think they change colors. I don't think that they were green Sunday night.

they definitely change colors. i watched them testing them while they were setting them up last weekend.

they definitely change colors. i watched them testing them while they were setting them up last weekend.

 

and you didn't take pictures?  tsk..tsk..tsk

Avogadro - I called that office last week and left a message with the Special Projects guy regarding some idea when the planters might be installed - no response.

Anyone else have an idea?  :shoot:

Avogadro - I called that office last week and left a message with the Special Projects guy regarding some idea when the planters might be installed - no response.

Anyone else have an idea?   :shoot:

 

Umm, it's still March.  They're not gonna plant anything yet.

The planters are being sold to businesses... sort of a sponsorship deal.  So it may be awhile.

Would that mean they'll be installed unevenly - according to who's willing to pay?  I was hoping there would be a fairly evenly spaced procession of these planters down both sides of the street.

There's really no connection between installation of planters and season.  It's warm enough most days and March is a month much can be planted here.  I'd like to seem them in place when the real warmer weather comes to stay.

Am I the only one or does the idea of the lights on the new sculpture seem a bit juvenile?  A bit too simplistic, artisically?  Are "playful" and "carnival image" what are sought here?

Incidently, I don't see the "Edit" button any more. Did anyone else lose their's?

Incidently, I don't see the "Edit" button any more. Did anyone else lose their's?

 

You can still edit your posts by hitting the "Modify" link at the upper right hand corner of each of your posts.

 

Relatedly, I just noticed that the "ignore" feature no longer exists due to the update.  That's really too bad, but that's a discussion for a different thread.

Thanks!

Interesting... just did a little research.  The planters are no longer being handled by DCA, roll out is being handled by Parkworks and they should be installed at some point this summer.

Thanks.  That's something, anyway.  Of course, it would have been decent for someone with DCA to have called me back....

To those who would like some background on art and artist, I have some background as PDF e-mail attachments only. Send e-mail to [email protected] and I will be happy to forward. When I get word that everything is done, it will all be attached to an on-line press release

Okay, here's the situation:

 

The planters remain a joint project between DCA, Parkworks and Cleveland Public Art.  It is anticipated that 100 planters will be installed in June, and the money for initial capital has been raised, not through sponsorships. However, DCA would still welcome sponsorships if anyone wants their company name associated with a planter.  Contact Laura Kushnick or Mark Lammon at DCA for more information.

 

(Above information provided by L. Kushnick.)

Concrete update: everything in and around the Cleveland Clinic part of the EC still looks like new; there are no signs of winter/salt damage that my untrained eye can spot.

 

Can anyone vouch for other sections?

I've noticed some rust stains on the concrete at the station curbs... under the steel runners at the E 6th station.  I guess that is to be expected.  Other than that everything still looks pretty good.

Some of the trash cans have prematurely rusted.  And the planters all look like giant trash cans in the winter.  Not enough evergreen plant selections.  Way too much burlap on display for half the year.  Several aspects of this system seem perfectly suited for San Diego and inappropriate for Cleveland. 

 

The station digital message boards are inconsistent.  The one at E6 (or thereabouts) has been unhooked from its data feed for weeks.  Others just keep repeating Welcome to the HealthLine when they're supposed to give ETA's.  Also, I thought there would be some sort of light diffusion installed in the fare machine marquees?  Without this "upgrade," they look unprofessionally built.

Thanks, Avogadro :-D!....  So that's what you go by these days....

It still stuns me how people cannot follow the HL traffic patterns.  People leaving PHS and completely clogging the bus lane.

How about this-- if someone could give me the phone number of the ticket machine supplier, and perhaps a contact name, I'll have a talk with them myself about proper light diffusion.  It really should have been built into the existing faceplate... I used to make backlit faceplates and I can't believe these things ever left the factory looking like they do.  It sounds like I'm making a mountain out of a molehill, but these are embarassingly below standard.

How about this-- if someone could give me the phone number of the ticket machine supplier, and perhaps a contact name, I'll have a talk with them myself about proper light diffusion.  It really should have been built into the existing faceplate... I used to make backlit faceplates and I can't believe these things ever left the factory looking like they do.  It sounds like I'm making a mountain out of a molehill, but these are embarassingly below standard.

 

You, make a mountain out of a Molehile???  Who would think such a thing?  :wtf:

How about this-- if someone could give me the phone number of the ticket machine supplier, and perhaps a contact name, I'll have a talk with them myself about proper light diffusion.  It really should have been built into the existing faceplate... I used to make backlit faceplates and I can't believe these things ever left the factory looking like they do.  It sounds like I'm making a mountain out of a molehill, but these are embarassingly below standard.

 

i believe there is a fix in the works for the light diffuser.  i was shocked they weren't using LEDs.  these bulbs are basic automotive style bulbs that clip in behind the sign. 

 

there will also be a new release of the tvm software in the next few weeks with fewer screens and a more intuitive interface.

^ Thanks for the info.  Can't wait to see that new software in action.

Is anyone else impressed with the amount of times they see the RTA police on the actual BRT?  I take the thing about 4x a week, and it seriously seems like they are always on.  I think that is great.

Yeah I'm on the healthline right now and I see some transit police waiting to board the bus at e 79th. Overall I am very happy with the ride. Clean stations, clean busses, and fully functional ticket booths are definitely inviting to first time riders. Also, the concrete seems to have held up well during the winter; I don't see any signs of freeze/thaw damage. 

 

My only concern is that the shelters are already showing a fair amount of rust. 

Regarding the shelters, conspiracy theorists (these two guys at a platform one night) are saying the lack of shelter was done to keep the bums out.

Regarding the shelters, conspiracy theorists (these two guys at a platform one night) are saying the lack of shelter was done to keep the bums out.

 

A sad day when the design of public infrastructure is meant to DISCOURAGE an action rather ENCOURAGE an action.

Regarding the shelters, conspiracy theorists (these two guys at a platform one night) are saying the lack of shelter was done to keep the bums out.

 

Were these "two guys" just regular riders?

Regarding the shelters, conspiracy theorists (these two guys at a platform one night) are saying the lack of shelter was done to keep the bums out.

 

Were these "two guys" just regular riders?

 

They probably just finished reading the plain dealer not too long before making those comments.

 

Ive seen RTA police both on the rtv's as well as on the platforms. It doesnt really make sense to me why they would be standing on the platform checking proof of payments when they could hop on the rtv and check everyone at every single stop. But either way its still a very good presence to see them about on the health line.

It was one of the guys who always plays the sax outside of PHS.  Pure speculation, as I noted. 

It was one of the guys who always plays the sax outside of PHS.  Pure speculation, as I noted. 

 

Honestly, than it wasn't worth posting.

Regarding the shelters, conspiracy theorists (these two guys at a platform one night) are saying the lack of shelter was done to keep the bums out.

 

Were these "two guys" just regular riders?

 

They probably just finished reading the plain dealer not too long before making those comments.

 

Ive seen RTA police both on the rtv's as well as on the platforms. It doesnt really make sense to me why they would be standing on the platform checking proof of payments when they could hop on the rtv and check everyone at every single stop. But either way its still a very good presence to see them about on the health line.

 

My take, it prevention.  Doing this on the platform shows that RTA is serious about fare jumper.  This action prevents people from getting on and thinking they wont be checked.  I think it's a good preventive measure.

Regarding the shelters, conspiracy theorists (these two guys at a platform one night) are saying the lack of shelter was done to keep the bums out.

 

Were these "two guys" just regular riders?

 

They probably just finished reading the plain dealer not too long before making those comments.

 

Ive seen RTA police both on the rtv's as well as on the platforms. It doesnt really make sense to me why they would be standing on the platform checking proof of payments when they could hop on the rtv and check everyone at every single stop. But either way its still a very good presence to see them about on the health line.

 

My take, it prevention. Doing this on the platform shows that RTA is serious about fare jumper. This action prevents people from getting on and thinking they wont be checked. I think it's a good preventive measure.

 

I do agree with that, but dont you think they would be able to reach more people by riding the entire route instead of limiting themselves to just one platform? But then again the station ive seen them at were 6th, 9th, and 14th (Wyndham/Playhouse Square), all very heavily used stations.

Regarding the shelters, conspiracy theorists (these two guys at a platform one night) are saying the lack of shelter was done to keep the bums out.

 

Were these "two guys" just regular riders?

 

They probably just finished reading the plain dealer not too long before making those comments.

 

Ive seen RTA police both on the rtv's as well as on the platforms. It doesnt really make sense to me why they would be standing on the platform checking proof of payments when they could hop on the rtv and check everyone at every single stop. But either way its still a very good presence to see them about on the health line.

 

My take, it prevention.  Doing this on the platform shows that RTA is serious about fare jumper.  This action prevents people from getting on and thinking they wont be checked.  I think it's a good preventive measure.

 

I do agree with that, but dont you think they would be able to reach more people by riding the entire route instead of limiting themselves to just one platform? But then again the station ive seen them at were 6th, 9th, and 14th (Wyndham/Playhouse Square), all very heavily used stations.

 

Were the individuals you saw uniformed officers?  ;)

Regarding the shelters, conspiracy theorists (these two guys at a platform one night) are saying the lack of shelter was done to keep the bums out.

 

Were these "two guys" just regular riders?

 

They probably just finished reading the plain dealer not too long before making those comments.

 

Ive seen RTA police both on the rtv's as well as on the platforms. It doesnt really make sense to me why they would be standing on the platform checking proof of payments when they could hop on the rtv and check everyone at every single stop. But either way its still a very good presence to see them about on the health line.

 

My take, it prevention. Doing this on the platform shows that RTA is serious about fare jumper. This action prevents people from getting on and thinking they wont be checked. I think it's a good preventive measure.

 

I do agree with that, but dont you think they would be able to reach more people by riding the entire route instead of limiting themselves to just one platform? But then again the station ive seen them at were 6th, 9th, and 14th (Wyndham/Playhouse Square), all very heavily used stations.

 

Were the individuals you saw uniformed officers? ;)

 

I thought i said they were uniformed but i guess i didnt. But yes they were, i saw them when i was walking down euclid, not sure how many people on the bus saw them though.

It was one of the guys who always plays the sax outside of PHS. Pure speculation, as I noted.

 

Honestly, than it wasn't worth posting.

 

OK, run the ground rules by me again? 

 

How are two guys on the platform sharing their ideas any different than someone on here saying it?  There is no difference.  Are they less credible than someone on here posting?  I don't think so.   

 

 

It was one of the guys who always plays the sax outside of PHS.  Pure speculation, as I noted. 

 

Honestly, than it wasn't worth posting.

 

OK, run the ground rules by me again? 

 

How are two guys on the platform sharing their ideas any different than someone on here saying it?  There is no difference.  Are they less credible than someone on here posting?  I don't think so.   

 

 

 

It's typical negative stance. 

 

Here in this particular thread, it's not just "speculation" as Jerry & JetDog post facts & figures about RTA, it's operations and services.

OK, so you are saying there is no speculation in this thread?  How many times have we discussed the shelters?  And even if Jerry and JetDog post on here, does that mean we are not supposed to question certain things? 

 

Regardless, I am glad you pointed out that this is a non-speculation thread, and should only be used for "operations and services." 

 

It's typical negative stance. 

 

 

Let's not confuse negativity with reality.  I know a certain someone who is always negative towards the PD and highways.  Is that "typical negative stance?"

Let's not confuse negativity with reality. I know a certain someone who is always negative towards the PD and highways. Is that "typical negative stance?"

 

Can I get a touche'?? :)

OK, so you are saying there is no speculation in this thread?  How many times have we discussed the shelters?  And even if Jerry and JetDog post on here, does that mean we are not supposed to question certain things? 

 

Regardless, I am glad you pointed out that this is a non-speculation thread, and should only be used for "operations and services." 

 

It's typical negative stance. 

 

 

Let's not confuse negativity with reality.  I know a certain someone who is always negative towards the PD and highways.  Is that "typical negative stance?"

 

What does thepope have to do with this.  LOL

I'm guessing its going to be the "use the PM" button sign, but maybe the ax. 

I just hope its not the bloody ax.

 

 

 

Last September I had commented that streetsigns along Euclid, where they had been removed and side streets (e.g. East 75th) were left unidentified were once again given signs, and that some of the new signs were really small.  Now I notice these have been replaced with the current Cleveland streetsign - quite large, and this includes E. 75th sign.  Wonder why they particularly small ones were installed in the first place. I had thought it was part of the overall Euclid Corridor design - to actually not have these very large, dominating blue signs.  Guess not.  Of course the more major intersections have the huge over-the-streets ones, but I had thought for some reason the planners wanted particularly small ones at the others.

Enough about the lights along Euclid that are just crooked, of which I had been mentioning my dissatisfaction.  Or the spans in the Clinic area where there are no tall poles on the sidewalks; this is obviously now the permanent design.  I'm now just asking what everyone's opinion is of the silvery contemporary fixture?  I often regret the powers-that-be didn't either bring back the grand old light poles or aim at duplicating them, as as has been done in many a city or village.  I'm particularly thinking of the area from E. 17th west, or if nowhere else perhaps around the Theater District.  Oh well - it's water over the dam, but what you think of the design anyway?  Or the vertical tubular ones in the Cleveland Clinic vicinity?

I know there was a compromise in that LED fixtures weren't used - assumably financial.

I agree with your appraisal overall.  I prefer traditional designs to contemporary ones, even if the traditional designs now smack of Home Depot.  Of what's been installed, I prefer the Clinic-area "vertical tubes" and I think the whole street would look better if those had been (could still be?) used throughout the project and not just by the Clinic.   

 

Also, is there any news on the fare machines?  In addition to the fare machines, some stops (I'm thinking of the downtown terminus) have a second screeny-thingy.  What is that for?  I ask because the screen on the one downtown just shows an Internet Explorer error message.  At least that was the case last week.

I agree with your appraisal overall. I prefer traditional designs to contemporary ones, even if the traditional designs now smack of Home Depot. Of what's been installed, I prefer the Clinic-area "vertical tubes" and I think the whole street would look better if those had been (could still be?) used throughout the project and not just by the Clinic.

 

Also, is there any news on the fare machines? In addition to the fare machines, some stops (I'm thinking of the downtown terminus) have a second screeny-thingy. What is that for? I ask because the screen on the one downtown just shows an Internet Explorer error message. At least that was the case last week.

 

Those are interactive oral histories, I believe. Or they're supposed to be, but they crashed. And when they weren't crashed, they were a little hard to navigate and too quiet.

From an article on Cleveland.com (http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/05/opportunity_corridor_panel_hol.html):

 

"(Ronn) Richard said the area has to be attractive to business owners or it could face the same problems as the newly completed Euclid Corridor, which still has empty storefronts."

 

:wtf:

 

 

^ People have to understand, it's not an overnight process.  Especially given the current economic situation.

I was just stunned he said that.  I know nothing about the guy, but he is obviously an involved, powerful citizen.  Does he not believe the $4billion hype?  Does he really think the corridor was supposed to change thing over night?  I wish he could have elaborated.

I was just stunned he said that.  I know nothing about the guy, but he is obviously an involved, powerful citizen.  Does he not believe the $4billion hype?  Does he really think the corridor was supposed to change thing over night?  I wish he could have elaborated.

 

Contact him and ask.

 

http://www.clevelandfoundation.org/ContactUs/

 

I presume he means the store fronts in the downtown area, I suggest you call/email and ask.