what the hell are two white people doing walking their baby across e. 55th?

 

easy Pope-they just bought that baby :lol:

"And on the other side... "

 

Wow - that, umm... construction worker looks weighed down with all those materials he's hauling!  :|

Dude (MyTwoSense), settle down.  I’m just stating the FACT that 99%of suburbanites would not want to walk around in that neighborhood.  The fact that I don’t agree with their perception of it being some downtrodden, worthless place, doesn’t matter, that is what they think.  I’ve accepted that, and now it’s just a matter of making this city a better place so that even the narrow-minded suburbanite would realize it.

And I guess if I have to prove that I’ve been in that area recently, here are a few pictures from my recent jaunt.

Yes I’m white, and yes I took the bus to and from that intersection.  The #6.

 

that would be such a cool area to have rehabbed

The building on E57th and Euclid is my favorite building in Cleveland.  There is a hole in the door on the E57th side that you could stick your head through, look up, and see the underside of the roof.  The northwest part of the floor on every story has caved into the basement.  But it looks freaking sweet to see the old finishes on the upper floors.  I have a very blurry picture that I'll try to find and post of it.

I believe it used to be called the Euclid Hotel.  I bet that building has some stories.  And the brick work on the exterior is imaculate. 

If I only had a million dollars, that is what I would buy and renovate.  Just some old lonely building in the middle of the city.

Okay, a couple blocks away, but one of my absolute favorites is the beauty in the background of this photograph - at 55th and Payne. Anyone know what the building's used for (definitely looks residential)? Sorry for the digression ... I promise not to post any more Payne Avenue questions in the Euclid Corridor thread  :-)

 

 

There IS residential in that building, but to be honest, I am not sure what the street level space is used for.  There seems to be quite a bit of the "artsy" type people moving there way up Payne Ave towards E 55th, but E 55th seems to be a bit of an invisible fence.  That area IS mainly black E of 55th, but I have seen a bit more diversity as of late.  I hope things start to change, but I will admit it can be a bit dicey.  I have seen a lot of things on the job that never get reported on the news.....and I would rather leave it that way!  I hate to see the media stifle growth before it has a chance to actually happen.

Back to w28th's favorite building... I agree that those buildings are just begging for a rehab, but I worry about them after the similar buildings across the street were demo'd just last year.  Apparently, they were not salvageable (by someone's standards) and these ones are.  I just hope that in all the new attention from developers along this corridor that these buildings are given the respect and investment that they deserve!

Just remember "Froggy eats pigs ass."

 

Isn't that the saying sprayed on that building? I <3 that place. If they knock it down, I'm going to write letters.

Ha!  "Froggy Eats Pigs Ass"  is some of the funniest graffitti I've seen.  Some other good ones are "Chillax" on the side of the newly "renovated" STUMPEE'S building on W25th, and then there is a frowning question mark on the West Side Community House.

It is a shame those buildings were torn down earlier this year for an extra 2 feet right-of-way for the Euclid Corridor.  I took a few bricks from the pile when they were torn down.  If the building at E57th and Euclid goes down, I'll be right with jamiec on the letter writing.

This idea is probably dead by now, but anyway, I agree with what some others have said.

 

The Clinic park idea would have been excellent if done on time, and for free.  The clinic has the $ to accomplish both, and I think it could succeed if it received support at the city and local level.  Remember the clinic would have a vested interest in doing a good job on this.

 

Like the guy in the video said, this type of plan would spur housing all around it because the clinic would be like a park - and people like parks.  And they like living near parks that are near their place of work.  Not only that, but people like working near (or in) parks.  Not only that, but patients appreciate being surrounded by landscaped green, especially when their days are numbered. 

 

In all this, lets not forget the patients and tens of thousands of employees who'd love to take a break (or a walk) in a nicely landscaped serene walkway, rather than in a concrete jungle of noise, congestion, and pollution.

 

As for hurting the church congregations, if you look at the channel 3 video closely, there is an access road for the churches already in the Clinic's plans.  And again, as the other poster has said, there are very few businesses on this stretch of euclid and even fewer whose landlord is not the clinic.  I'm a bit put off that these last 2 rebuttals actually had to be made because they make me even more suspicious of people having an assumptive and defensive stance towards anything thrown out by the Clinic.

 

I hope that if this thing fails (it probably already is dead), its due to US government regulations, and not because of some local/city level problems related to the perception of the big bad clinic trying to throw its weight around.   

 

 

In all this, lets not forget the patients and tens of thousands of employees who'd love to take a break (or a walk) in a nicely landscaped serene walkway, rather than in a concrete jungle of noise, congestion, and pollution.

 

This is what in the study of logic is known as a false dichotomy.  You are pretending that there are only two solutions- park or ugly urban jungle.  You are ignoring the fact that the entire street is being restreetscaped to be greener and pedestrian friendly already.  I see no advantage to the Clinic's changes to this plan.

ooh, X taught me something new today.

Stick around, boy.  I'll teach you many a thing. :wink:

Y'know, I thought I was the only one who said that line - but methinks I've said it for ENTIRELY different reasons! :lol:

the new poles for street lights are going up around e30.  looks like an all stainless steel operation...

I had a chance to ride Boston's Silver Line from Logan to South Station last Friday (on my way to Fenway!)- my first BRT experience...which isn't even really BRT until it reaches the Boston Convention Center.  I was actually planning on taking the lame shuttle bus to the subway but when the shiny new silver articulated bus pulled up I was powerless to resist.  Was pretty easy, fast and fun to try something new but had traffic not been terrifically light at the airport, not sure how much fun it would have been.  Was pretty cool to switch from the diesel(?) engine to the electric overheads at the entrance to the bus tunnel.  Once in the tunnel it operated like a rail subway with free transfers to the real subway.  I do wonder how smooth the ride will be once the road surface starts aging a bit.

They have most of the curb work done on the western portion of CSU.

I recall somebody saying (me) that they would be done with the northern half of Euclid around Labor Day.

I don't think it's going to happen.

 

 

^i think that the north part from innerbelt to e55 will be done by labor day.  the portion in front of csu is another contract segment.

 

and the light poles aren't stainless - they are painted silver.  in the dark last night they looked to be stainless. 

That makes sense. Thanks.

Here is a shot from today in front of the Urban Affairs building.

 

 

Ohhh God, I'm dreading walking through that mess 5 days a week!!!!!

 

I love it. It gives me something to look at as I stroll around during my lunch hour. :)

I confess I'm too lazy to re-scan this whole thread, but was there ever a discussion about the design of the new streetscape?  Are the materials going to be high quality?  Cool new light poles?

Has anyone read the reccent article by Crain's?

 

Ticket to ride

RTA official says, indeed, the Silver Line might be functioning in time for the...

 

I don't have a subscription.

Has anyone read the reccent article by Crain's?

 

Ticket to ride

RTA official says, indeed, the Silver Line might be functioning in time for the...

 

I don't have a subscription.

 

GOP convention???

^Yeah probably. That's what I thought, but I'd still like to read the whole article.

this article is part of the free content on crains....

http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060823/FREE/60823006/1008/GOV

 

The Regional Transit Authoritys planned Silver Line or at least some part of it may indeed be open in time for the 2008 Republican National Convention the city of Cleveland is trying to land, despite a report yesterday that it wouldnt be ready.

 

 

..........

The cars for the Euclid Avenue line will begin arriving during the second half of 2007, and the rebuilding of Public Square, where the line begins, should be ready by the time the convention would roll into town, he said.

 

Cars??? 

 

Buses, people.  Buses. 

I love how the timeline only goes to 2006, but they've extended the text to a 2009 completion date:

 

http://euclidtransit.org/timelines/images/ProjectTimeline.pdf

it is another example of a website that is not updated properly.  i have emailed a few times over the past year - not one response.  go rta public service.

 

here is a photo i posted in another thread a while back.  i believe that these will be the new street lights for the corridor - but that the poles will actually be painted silver.

 

why can't they keep the street lights operating on euclid ave? 

 

a few nights now euclid ave downtown has been completely dark.  no businesses open, no steet lights on.  wtf?  it feels like the country, with crack addicts coming out of the shadows, of course.

Linked from the RTA e-newsletter...

 

http://www.metro-magazine.com/t_newspick.cfm?id=9063947

 

August 10, 2006

Study: BRT is best transit option to cut emissions

Bus rapid transit (BRT) is a better option to fight global warming than rail transit powered by electricity generated from fossil fuels, according to a new study released Thursday.

 

..........

Here's an update from RTA....

 

Construction on the north side of Euclid Avenue, from the Innerbelt to East 55th Street, is near completion.

 

Contractors will begin setting up the traffic work zone on the south side of Euclid Avenue on Sept. 8, weather permitting.

 

One lane of traffic will be maintained in both directions, as will access to driveways and entrances.

 

Contractors will work with property owners and businesses to coordinate any activities or special conditions.

 

For more information, or to request a presentation as part of the Speaker's Bureau, contact the Project Office, 216-771-4144. 

I saw the completed street today. Its completed between about E. 25th street and E. 55th. You can see where the plants will go and the cut outs for parking. Now they are working on (tearing up) Euclid North after 55th and Euclid South Between E. 28th and E. 55th.

and they have installed sprinklers in the tree lawns - so hopefully these trees will actually grow. 

 

they are also bricking the sidewalks in the theater district.  however, it looks like there will be no tree cutouts in this section. 

 

also, apparently the south side should go quicker as there are less utilities underground in that section.

If I remember correctly, they may be doing some sort of planter in the Theater District.  I forget why. I heard that during a meeting on my first day of work, so things are a bit blury.

^ there are a lot of vaults and underground utilities that run on the north section, so it may have been a mess to plant trees (or not even possible).  planters will be fine as long as they have automated sprinklers.  that seems to be a big missing piece in the downtown tree/landscape. 

 

i'd also like to see an update on some of the components from the original art plan: ie, the wifi nodes, smaller street inlays, etc.  anybody have any pics or status of these items?

^ah, that was it. The abundance of vaults and other utilities made it difficult to plant trees in the area.

 

Hey, how long will it take to finish the vault in front of the Halle Building?? That blue tent has been there all summer long.

Hey, how long will it take to finish the vault in front of the Halle Building?? That blue tent has been there all summer long.

 

i think the problem here is that the same crew that is doing halle is also doing the CAC vault.  after they messed up the CAC vault, they have spent the past month rebuilding it from scratch and have not touched the halle one.  if you go inside and look under the blue tarp, nothing has been done. 

Is anyone aware of any specific or special street scape projects planned by, and financed by, the Playhouse Square Association in conjecture with, but spearate from, the Euclid Corridor project?  If I recall, a few years ago the Association wanted to improve the street scape in the area and make it more pedestrian friendly and lively, but kept putting off the plans since what ever it did would simply be torn up by RTA.

Well, I know that the Downtown Cleveland Alliance wanted to put some funding into some improved landscaping for Euclid Ave. I don't think that much will come of it.  Playhouse Square is covered by the DCA.

a few pics from this afternoon:

 

looking east:

 

 

temporary asphalt in crosswalks:

 

getting ready to pour sidewalks in front of CSU:

 

looking west towards downtown:

 

Great Pics!  They certainly help to show the amount of progress being made.

 

I really like the new sidewalk pattern throughout Playhouse Sqaure.  I'm looking forward to watching all of the streetscape elements come together over the coming months.  Judging by the pic of the sidewalk pattern it looks like it will have a more dramatic effect than I had initially expected.

These "progress" pictrues should be out in the local media.

 

this will let people know where all this money is going.  The sidewalks in the city will be cleaner, more inviting and hopefully...used more!

the new curbs arrived for the public square portion.

 

at least, i think they are curbs. Lot of jack-hammering going on between E. 4th and Public square.

They were really progressing yesterday. I've never seen that many workers on site and all of them were working!

Nice to see there setting bricks on a concrete base...much easier and more level.

apparently the fall season starts at playhouse on friday, so they have been busting ass to get that section completed. 

 

They should be busting ass anyway

the new curbs arrived for the public square portion.

 

at least, i think they are curbs. Lot of jack-hammering going on between E. 4th and Public square.

 

the curbs have been there for awhile sitting in the middle of euclid.  i'm not sure what the problem is, but this section it is taking forever to complete.

 

the jackhammering is for the vault reconstruction next to jimmy johns.

 

apparently the fall season starts at playhouse on friday, so they have been busting ass to get that section completed. 

^there's a lot of 'two guys watching one guy doing the work' all along the corridor. During my lunch, I make it 'three guys watching one guy..'

well its a good thing they are tearing up the small portion of the concrete sidewalk in front of the may building that they poured last week.