June 15, 20159 yr Winburn has backed out of supporting a loan for Clifton Market, so it now only has the support of five council members, meaning it is no longer veto-proof. Cranley said he will veto. I wonder if that guy from the Cranley thread who's defending him will defend this. I guess that means GE will stay in town right ;)
June 25, 20159 yr @SharonCoolidge on Twitter posted a photo of a proposed Burnet Woods redevelopment. Hard to see details. It will be nice when PDFs are uploaded online.
June 25, 20159 yr It will be interesting to see whether they took any of the student ideas into consideration for the Burnet Woods redesign.
June 25, 20159 yr Here's a description of the proposed work at Burnet woods: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/25/citywide-parks-levy-ahead-parks-get-re/29263561/ Cost: $10 million Neighborhood: Clifton and CUF neighborhoods Description: In conjunction with the University of Cincinnati, this money would be used for several projects in Burnet Woods, the 90-acre park adjacent to UC's campus. Improvements would be made to parking lots, gateways and picnic areas. A road would be removed and others reconfigured to better support the forest. A restaurant would be added at the entrance on Clifton Avenue and a concession area created inside the park. The disc golf course would also be expanded. Estimated annual maintenance cost: $175,000.
June 25, 20159 yr Pretty shocking to me that the annual maintenance costs exceed those of the marina at Smale. Interesting.
June 25, 20159 yr Pretty shocking to me that the annual maintenance costs exceed those of the marina at Smale. Interesting. Possibly because the Marina is a revenue generator that covers much of its costs.
September 30, 20159 yr The Allman Brothers named an album after it, and now this Cincinnati venue is reopening A Cincinnati concert venue that's hosted acts ranging from Janis Joplin to BB King – and even had the Allman Brothers name and album after it – is opening its doors after a 40-year hiatus. The Ludlow Garage has a plaque in front of it naming all of the artists who played at the venue when it was famously owned by Jim Tarbell before it closed in 1971. Those performers include Santana, Spirit, The James Gang, Peter Frampton and Joe Walsh. The Allman Brothers recorded a live album, "Live at the Ludlow Garage: 1970," there. Now, the garage's new owner is converting the space, which was previously Olives, to its former purpose. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2015/09/30/the-allman-brothers-named-an-album-after-it-and.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 24, 20159 yr Clifton Market sets construction date The Clifton Co-op Market has an official construction date after officials leading the project closed on a construction loan on Tuesday. The cooperative grocery store at 319 Ludlow Ave. will begin its transformation on Feb. 1 and is expected to open in summer 2016. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/morning_call/2015/12/clifton-market-sets-construction-date.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 24, 20159 yr Realistically...Can the Clifton Market survive with Kroger being less than a 2 minute drive away? Is the Clifton population dense enough to where it can support 2 grocery stores?
December 24, 20159 yr ^All of the Cliftonites I've talked with seem excited for it, and I know I was excited when I still lived n Whitfield. Cliftonites are pretty big users of their NBD compared to other neighborhoods so I'm sure it'll get a lot of use. “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
December 24, 20159 yr Realistically...Can the Clifton Market survive with Kroger being less than a 2 minute drive away? Is the Clifton population dense enough to where it can support 2 grocery stores? You want something like that to be close to Kroger so that people shop both instead of just Kroger. A Gaint Eagle closed near me about 1 1/2 years ago. A small butcher shop/fresh foods store next door that had been open 40+ years made it only 6 months while a specialty breads store that had been across the street as long as I can remember closed 1 year after the Giant Eagle. Clustering is deathly important in retail.
December 24, 20159 yr The Kroger on Kenard near Clifton has been extremely crowded ever since the Corryville store closed for reconstruction. UC has been offering a shuttle from campus to that Kroger for students. Even when the Corryville store reopens I don't think the demand will be completely filled for groceries in uptown. The IGA didn't close because there wasn't demand for it, it closed because the owners had some tax trouble which may or may not have been related to the viability of the store itself.
December 25, 20159 yr Look at it this way... if you're not making any money, you don't owe taxes. And a grocery store's sales volume is going to be so high that the state will want their sales taxes every month or even every two weeks. And the payroll taxes will be due every two weeks as well. It would be tough for taxes to take you down unless the owner simply decides to keep them for himself.
January 14, 20169 yr Clifton Market expects to be open as early as July (might be later). But this summer is the target.
March 13, 20169 yr The balcony on the apartment building on Middleton at Ludlow has collapsed. “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
September 20, 20168 yr Clifton Market to hire 80-plus Clifton Market is continuing to prepare for its official opening, and now it’s looking for employees. General manager Keith Brock expects to hire 81 new workers in a variety of roles to operate the co-op grocery store at 319 Ludlow Ave. About 40 of the jobs are expected to be full-time, while 41 will be part-time. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/09/19/clifton-market-to-hire-80-plus.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 13, 20168 yr The Ravine St. market had a fire and has been closed for about a month. I don't know if they're planning to reopen or not. Last night I ventured into the always-questionable C&D Mart across the street from Murphy's Pub. Seems like if the Clifton Market people were smart about it they could open a small satellite store in Clifton Heights in one of the shuttered Warner St. corner grocery store spaces, like the Passion Hookah Lounge or Ravine market.
December 14, 20168 yr I'd love to see a higher-quality grocer in CUF. There are plenty of corner stores, but the supply is unreliable for stuff like milk and eggs. The new Asian market on Ravine and McMillan is an improvement, but still doesn't have a very large variety of produce. Maybe Clifton Natural Foods will return now that they're across from a full-fledged grocery store on Ludlow. Not sure what they'll be offering that Clifton Market won't.
December 14, 20168 yr Don't forget the new Target that will open in the U-Square development. It will be geared toward grab and go items and have some grocery related items. I doubt any other mom and pop will open on that side of town with the new Kroger coming online and Target opening later in 2017.
December 14, 20168 yr Cincy will eventually get small scale independent market focused on high end/organic items. Its only a matter of time and the fact that it hasn't happened yet at least in downtown/otr is pretty surprising. Think riddle road market meets whole foods.
December 14, 20168 yr Park & Vine is/was kind of like that except that they only sell vegan items. I have the feeling that The Takeway will fill that niche when it opens. Those guys have super good taste and I'm sure they will only fill that store with a "curated" selection of products.
December 14, 20168 yr The selection at Park + Vine wasn't quite big enough to go for what I was talking about though it wasn't too far off. Good Examples in Chicago (check the photos): https://www.yelp.com/biz/green-grocer-chicago-chicago https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/go-grocer-chicago-3 (video is the best view) Really great pic at the bottom of the homepage: http://www.oliviasmarket.com/
December 29, 20168 yr The balcony on the apartment building on Middleton at Ludlow has collapsed. Not only the balcony which collapsed but all of the balconies on the Middleton Avenue have been replaced, in a project that took most of a year and finished last week.
January 1, 20178 yr ^Did they replace them with something that looks halfway decent? I loved the look of the old balconies.
January 1, 20178 yr ^They did a very good job. They even used curved brick on the column to match what was there before.
January 2, 20178 yr ^nice! Thanks for the info. I just assumed they would do the cheapest thing possible. I'm glad to hear that wasn't the case.
January 2, 20178 yr ^nice! Thanks for the info. I just assumed they would do the cheapest thing possible. I'm glad to hear that wasn't the case. Is the building located in an Historic District? I wonder if historic guidelines kickied in that regulated the appearance?
January 2, 20178 yr ^ No but it is in an urban design district. There's only about 10 of them in the city, covering mainly non-historical but still traditional/walkable neighborhood business districts like Short Vine, Hyde Park Square, Oakley Square, Mt. Lookout Square, the Pleasant Ridge business district etc. That said, someone who's good at negotiating with insurance companies can, with some effort, get them to cover an actual restoration with appropriate materials and workmanship. Say you have an old house that was damaged by fire but not destroyed. Insurance will certainly pay to have repairs done, but it's up to you to say that drywall is not an appropriate substitution for plaster, that painted poplar trim does not replace stained oak, and $5/square foot ceramic tile from Home Depot cannot replace handmade Rookwood. I'm not sure what they might have been able to do in this case to cover the remaining balconies that were still intact but obviously dangerous. Even if they couldn't get insurance to pay for those, it still should have covered the one-time setup cost of the curved brick and other specialty pieces used throughout the project, and there was no doubt an economy of scale to doing them all at once.
January 18, 20178 yr Clifton Market will open January 26. http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/01/18/clifton-market-has-an-opening-date-and-we-got-a.html
January 23, 20178 yr Clifton Market opens its doors Clifton Co-op Market is now open. The store at 319 Ludlow Ave., which has been in the works for nearly three years, opened its doors for shareholders to do their grocery shopping at noon on Sunday. The public was welcome to begin shopping at the store from 2-4 p.m. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/01/23/clifton-market-opens-its-doors-photos.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 24, 20178 yr I went to the Clifton Market tonight. They don't have everything open yet but it is mostly up and running. It has all of the ordinary stuff like frozen pizza and Gatorade and paper towels in addition to having higher-end produce, meat, and seafood. The store layout is more open than Keller's. They don't have the store's name on their bags yet.
February 1, 20178 yr I went again. The floor does not seem level near the checkout lanes. Oddly this is the section build over ground, not the part elevated over the parking lot. Also, they need to put up some decorations as the space is still pretty sparse. As expected the prices for some items are very high because they're stocking premium products. For example, the organic eggs are $5 dozen as compared to $1.50 for the cheap eggs or about $2.50 for Kroger's "Simple Truth" maybe-or-maybe-not organic eggs. Also the seafood costs are very high (possibly higher than Luken's and that other place at Findlay Market) because they don't have anything cheap available. I bought a filet of the cheapest salmon, which was $13/lb, and it seemed better than the similarly priced salmon at Findlay Market. They are selling some sea bass for $25.99/lb., which is insane. Who is buying that ridiculously priced fish on a Tuesday night? Overall this is a big win for the business district. Even if most people drive 3-5 blocks to the market, many are walking and that will bring some measure of foot traffic to the business district that it hasn't had since Keller's closed.
February 1, 20178 yr ^One of the business owners told me that his sales dropped 30% the day that Keller's closed.
February 14, 20178 yr I'd love to see a higher-quality grocer in CUF. There are plenty of corner stores, but the supply is unreliable for stuff like milk and eggs. The new Asian market on Ravine and McMillan is an improvement, but still doesn't have a very large variety of produce. Maybe Clifton Natural Foods will return now that they're across from a full-fledged grocery store on Ludlow. Not sure what they'll be offering that Clifton Market won't. Jacob: I read on another forum where you wrote: AT LEAST 3-4 black families live there which means your home and cars will be broken into EVERY NIGHT. Don't you live on Klotter? That should give you some heartburn, right?
February 14, 20178 yr ^To be fair the police did show up last week in riot gear and haul away the guy with paranoid schizophrenia. There is another guy living in that same multifamily with barbed wire tattooed across his forehead, but he hasn't caused much trouble.
February 14, 20178 yr ^^but those people on City-Data are truly insane. I avoided the site for about two years, got back on, and the same 2-3 people are still on there with their paranoia and neighborhood rumors.
February 14, 20178 yr They are selling some sea bass for $25.99/lb., which is insane. Who is buying that ridiculously priced fish on a Tuesday night? I saw this program where apparently all of us on the Eastern US should be eating dogfish. This is a seriously ugly fish but apparently very tasty and it's most of what is being caught right now on the east coast. The thing is that our country has never even heard of this fish and wouldn't know what to do with it, but it is loved elsewhere in the world, particularly (I believe) in parts of Asia. So we are all sitting here eating Tiger shrimp from Thailand, and they are sitting there eating our dogfish. Crazy. There is a test program where we are fixing dishes made with dogfish for college students. They've been receptive and generally liked it. I actually asked at Whole Foods about dog fish. They'd heard of it, but had no idea if they'd ever sell it. I guess the obvious thing is that someone needs to come up with a better name than dogfish. Who does that? <edit> Sorry I know this is a great abuse of this thread. But seriously nobody wants a dogfish thread, even though I find the thought of one hilarious. Really, these guys are super ugly:
March 13, 20178 yr I went to the new Corryville Kroger this past weekend and I know it's early but my sense is that the Clifton Market is safe. Everyone underestimated how much business will be directed toward the new Kroger from the closed Walnut Hills Kroger, especially since the population around UC has grown a bit in the past 2-3 years during the closure. The crowds in the Corryville Kroger are insane and the Clifton Market is a safe haven. There is, I suspect, a market for something like the Clifton Market to open in Walnut Hills, especially if Walnut Hills starts attracting a lot of new residents.
April 19, 20178 yr New Development in Clifton http://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/biggest-construction-project-in-cliftons-business-district-in-decades-takes-first-step-forward?sharedToken=3200be2a-22f0-4278-9368-af2b207600da
April 19, 20178 yr Sounds great. I really hope that the businesses on Ludlow realize that they're going to get a lot more foot traffic from these new residents, and don't fight this development.
April 19, 20178 yr There's almost a 100% guarantee that they'll fight it. NIMBYism doesn't care about things like foot traffic and other things like reality. As long as it's designed nicely this will be an awesome project for that business district. That parking lot is terrible and seeing it turned into a large contributing building will be nice. Next they just need to turn the corner and fix what's happening on W Clifton on that block.
April 19, 20178 yr After reading the article, I don't really understand why "Adam Hyland, vice president of the business association and president of Clifton Market" is publicly airing his frustration about the proposed deal and Gaslight's reluctance to have a lengthy dialogue about impact with the community. The validity of those concerns aside, doesn't the business association own the lot? Does that mean his viewpoint is in the minority among the other members of the business association?
April 19, 20178 yr I know Rob and Dave personally and I really do think they care about doing the right thing for Clifton. The apartments they built on Whitfield where my house used to stand are pretty good material-wise even if the siting isn't the most urban, and it's better than most everything else being built in uptown, especially seeing as that was their first go-around with new construction. This lot is basically across from their leasing office, so hopefully they'll want to put up something nice since they'll have to look at it every single day! “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
April 19, 20178 yr The market has its own parking lot (partially under the building). They would be the ones hurt the least by a temporary loss of parking during construction (the garage would eventually replace the lost spots). It sounds like the market's concerns aren't really against the project, though. If those are the biggest concerns against it, they should be easy enough to address.
April 19, 20178 yr After reading the article, I don't really understand why "Adam Hyland, vice president of the business association and president of Clifton Market" is publicly airing his frustration about the proposed deal and Gaslight's reluctance to have a lengthy dialogue about impact with the community. The validity of those concerns aside, doesn't the business association own the lot? Does that mean his viewpoint is in the minority among the other members of the business association? IMHO, It is politics in Clifton, the best way to describe it would be to say it's like the Hatfield and the Mccoys, Mixed in with a little spoiled "I'm taking my ball and going home" attitude.
April 19, 20178 yr This is just what Clifton needs- more density. It's such a vibrant community, but there really isn't much room to grow since the neighborhood is basically built out. A shot of dense housing right in the heart of Ludlow would be wonderful both for the businesses and for just general street life. Parking is a concern, but with a little creative thinking and money, I'm sure a solution could be found.
April 19, 20178 yr Anyone know (preferably with pics) what used to stand on that spot? I'm assuming before about 1960 it was something other than a parking lot.
April 19, 20178 yr There were a couple more houses on Howell with back yards and what looks like some small garages among the trees. From old aerial photos anyway, it looks like it was pretty similar to what the rest of the block is still like today closer to Ormond. https://www.historicaerials.com/location/39.14316699681419/-84.52063858509062/1960/18
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