November 10, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, jwulsin said: Honestly not sure what your point is. I think we need to do more to slow cars down, including on Hamilton! really. honestly. try this. building a wall will not stop immigrants. reducing hamilton ave to no lanes will not stop people from speeding. the best way to stop speeders is to make people push their cars everywhere.
November 10, 20204 yr its pretty inarguable that reducing # of lanes & narrowing lanes will naturally slow traffic https://www.transportation.gov/mission/health/Traffic-Calming-to-Slow-Vehicle-Speeds
November 10, 20204 yr 53 minutes ago, RJohnson said: really. honestly. try this. building a wall will not stop immigrants. reducing hamilton ave to no lanes will not stop people from speeding. the best way to stop speeders is to make people push their cars everywhere. It's a good thing decades of traffic study disagree with you. Narrow the lanes, curb bump outs, etc. all have been proven to slow traffic.
November 13, 20204 yr On 11/10/2020 at 12:56 PM, jmicha said: It's a good thing decades of traffic study disagree with you. Narrow the lanes, curb bump outs, etc. all have been proven to slow traffic. This PE, PTOE agrees.
November 13, 20204 yr it is my opinion that studies are studies and reality is reality. Studies are why the transportation departments across the country decided to put up stop signs at intersections. In addition, speed limit signs are posted in every state. Instead of sitting in an ivory tower and declaring truth thru studies, go outside and watch for yourself. The number of people who don't stop at stop signs and go faster than the speed limit signs proves the studies wrong.
November 13, 20204 yr Because some people go through stop signs, it is proof that putting them there in the first place was misguided. Logic.
November 13, 20204 yr 20 minutes ago, RJohnson said: it is my opinion that studies are studies and reality is reality. Studies are why the transportation departments across the country decided to put up stop signs at intersections. In addition, speed limit signs are posted in every state. Instead of sitting in an ivory tower and declaring truth thru studies, go outside and watch for yourself. The number of people who don't stop at stop signs and go faster than the speed limit signs proves the studies wrong. Yes, my ivory tower of...living in the city for my entire adult life and seeing these things firsthand. These studies aren't theoretical, they're studies of what happened when roads went through the diet process. What a strange comment.
November 13, 20204 yr 30 minutes ago, RJohnson said: it is my opinion that studies are studies and reality is reality. Studies are why the transportation departments across the country decided to put up stop signs at intersections. In addition, speed limit signs are posted in every state. Instead of sitting in an ivory tower and declaring truth thru studies, go outside and watch for yourself. The number of people who don't stop at stop signs and go faster than the speed limit signs proves the studies wrong. No, they prove the studies right.
November 13, 20204 yr People travel recklessly on narrow streets all of the time, especially in Clifton Heights. People blow up and down Warner, Wheeler, Rohs, Ohio, etc.at all hours of the day and night. Parked cars are struck on W. Clifton on the regular. You know what people don't speed on? Cobble stones with gnarley railroad tracks in them. Nobody would speed on the interstates if they were paved with old river rocks.
November 13, 20204 yr On 11/10/2020 at 12:03 PM, RJohnson said: really. honestly. try this. building a wall will not stop immigrants. reducing hamilton ave to no lanes will not stop people from speeding. the best way to stop speeders is to make people push their cars everywhere. The problem with your logic is that data refutes it. Hamilton Avenue through Northside used to have four lanes during rush hour. We recently made the parking permanent so it is officially two lanes all day. Guess what happened? The average speed of cars dropped! The number of crashes dropped 70 percent! Yes, cars still drive too fast. We could add raised crosswalks and that would help. We could restripe it to make it clear that it is two lanes and that would help even more. Bump outs would be great too! More can and should be done. But there is zero doubt that reducing its width helped! https://www.wcpo.com/news/transportation-development/city-will-keep-24-hour-parking-on-hamilton-ave-in-northside-as-permanent-traffic-calming-measure Edited November 13, 20204 yr by DEPACincy
November 13, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, jmicha said: Yes, my ivory tower of...living in the city for my entire adult life and seeing these things firsthand. These studies aren't theoretical, they're studies of what happened when roads went through the diet process. What a strange comment. well im a strange guy. i see things the way i see them and that is just the way it is. cities are not towers. when you say city do you mean to the city limits or the downtown area. because i also have lived in the city for my entire adult life. and i see things too. i see speeding reckless driving in the city especially in the alleys
November 13, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, GCrites80s said: No, they prove the studies right. yes, i agree the studies are just studies.
November 13, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, zsnyder said: Because some people go through stop signs, it is proof that putting them there in the first place was misguided. Logic. as it turned out yes.
November 13, 20204 yr 12 minutes ago, DEPACincy said: The problem with your logic is that data refutes it. Hamilton Avenue through Northside used to have four lanes during rush hour. We recently made the parking permanent so it is officially two lanes all day. Guess what happened? The average speed of cars dropped! The number of crashes dropped 70 percent! Yes, cars still drive too fast. We could add raised crosswalks and that would help. We could restripe it to make it clear that it is two lanes and that would help even more. Bump outs would be great too! More can and should be done. But there is zero doubt that reducing its width helped! https://www.wcpo.com/news/transportation-development/city-will-keep-24-hour-parking-on-hamilton-ave-in-northside-as-permanent-traffic-calming-measure another study, great. people still drive thru fast and reckless, per my observations Wed Nov 11 in the year of our lord 2020. why just why.
November 13, 20204 yr Just because people still/can drive fast on a street doesn't mean they drive AS fast AS often as on a wider street. Warner, Ohio, or Hamilton have nothing on Linn, MLK, Central Parkway, 2nd, 3rd, or Spring Grove. You know what studies do? They measure real world facts. Why do you have such a problem with that? The conclusions you arrive based on your anecdotal observations are meaningless without actual data to back them up. Surprise surprise, if you actually measure something in a properly diligent and scientific manner you may just find that your "gut feelings" or "common sense intuition" are in fact wrong. Apparently we're supposed to think that gut feelings are plenty adequate, but proven methods of data collection and analysis should be dismissed? That sort of reasoning is what got Trump elected four years ago.
November 14, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, RJohnson said: as it turned out yes. I get it, anecdotes are a private matter. Unassailable. Meanwhile, nobody here looks outside. That's certainly not why they're here. Thank you for the reminder to do so.
November 14, 20204 yr Rough pavement (cobble stone) prevents high speed vehicular travel. But we always hear that emergency vehicles need the ability to go fast, except they don't usually really go all that fast, even on the smooth yet tacky pavement that exists in abundance in all U.S. cities. Make the road rough stones and the bike lane smooth concrete. In-street rail runs on smooth rails embedded in cobbles in Portland. For whatever reason this strategy wasn't copied anywhere else, to my knowledge.
November 14, 20204 yr 58 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said: In-street rail runs on smooth rails embedded in cobbles in Portland. For whatever reason this strategy wasn't copied anywhere else, to my knowledge. There was some discussion of removing the pavement and exposing the Belgian block on the parking lanes of Main Street between 12th and Liberty, but it didn't happen. The idea was probably a little too "out there" for Cincinnati's current DOTE leadership.
November 14, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, jmecklenborg said: Rough pavement (cobble stone) prevents high speed vehicular travel. But we always hear that emergency vehicles need the ability to go fast, except they don't usually really go all that fast, even on the smooth yet tacky pavement that exists in abundance in all U.S. cities. Make the road rough stones and the bike lane smooth concrete. In-street rail runs on smooth rails embedded in cobbles in Portland. For whatever reason this strategy wasn't copied anywhere else, to my knowledge. Lots of streets in Philly are paved with belgian block or historic brick, including some with streetcar (trolley) lines.
November 14, 20204 yr Once block is paved over it's next to impossible to simply uncover it and not have it look awful. Also, even at relatively low speeds vehicles driving over block or stamped concrete made to look like brick can be quite loud. That can quickly lose support from immediate neighbors. To have brick/block/permeable pavers in permanent parking lanes should be a no-brainer from an aesthetic or stormwater management perspective, but it does nothing to mitigate speeding.
November 14, 20204 yr first of all let me apologize for stating my opinion. and I appreciate all of the studied and surely knowledgeable people who corrected everything i stated. But, needed to alter what i said to make their point. Oh, and thanks for bringing politics into the conversation. good idea. It is still my opinion that narrowing ludlow is not a good idea. It seems the majority of the people who righted me want to get rid of cars and will say anything to stop their fantasy of a 1900 cincinnati. Dream on. Statistics created the streets that currently exist. Detroit and the rest of the world are building cars as fast as they can. the population of the world is growing and people want to go. So put your cobble streets back on line and enjoy the mess you have created.
November 14, 20204 yr 3 hours ago, RJohnson said: But, needed to alter what i said to make their point. It seems the majority of the people who righted me want to get rid of cars and will say anything to stop their fantasy of a 1900 cincinnati. Pot, meet kettle.
November 14, 20204 yr 45 minutes ago, jjakucyk said: Pot, meet kettle. once you finish digging the hole crawl in it..
November 15, 20204 yr On 11/13/2020 at 11:44 PM, DEPACincy said: Lots of streets in Philly are paved with belgian block or historic brick, including some with streetcar (trolley) lines. Before it was rebuilt in 2015, Elm St. in front of music hall was uneven cobble stone with 100 year-old busted-up streetcar tracks in the middle. The rebuilt street is still completely effective in making people drive slowly. If you are on a bike you can either put up with the punishment, ride on the sidewalk, or attempt to ride on the narrow concrete strips the new streetcar rails are anchored in. Here it's not tough to see how uses could be segregated by having smooth concrete bike lanes and course driving lanes.
November 30, 20204 yr That's impressive attention to detail. From the traffic signal color and span wires, storm drains, planter, garbage can, and even that parking sign. The buildings on the left are wrong but look like they were pulled from somewhere else nearby. I'm a big fan of the series pre-season-10, and consider everything past that to be hot garbage, but credit where credit's due.
June 3, 20223 yr No place like home: New $10M Clifton arts facility is 20 years in the making The Clifton Cultural Arts Center, which opened in 2008 in the old Clifton School, is preparing to launch its latest incarnation after breaking ground May 26 on a $10 million home near the corner of Clifton and Hosea avenues. Leslie Mooney first visited CCHA for classes and concerts with her two young boys and became an enthusiastic supporter of its mission. When its original executive director, Ruth Dickey, stepped down in 2013, Mooney took over. She had experience in nonprofit management, serving as development director for the National Underground Railroad Freedom Center for five years. What she did not have, however, was experience as the public face of an effort to find a site and build a new home for a beloved neighborhood institution after it was forced to leave the building that was the reason for its existence. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/06/03/clifton-arts-center.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 17, 20222 yr 3 minutes ago, Cincy_Travels said: The Final Development Plan for the hotel at The District development has been submitted to the City Planning Commission. I didn't notice any changes but I mainly just browse through real quick. https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/about-city-planning/city-planning-commission/jun-17-2022-packet/ This should go under the CUF Corryville page. The development is technically not in Clifton
June 17, 20222 yr 16 minutes ago, savadams13 said: This should go under the CUF Corryville page. The development is technically not in Clifton Good catch. I've posted it over there
August 11, 20222 yr Just now, Dev said: According to Clifton Town Meeting's Fall newsletter, the Clifton Business Association is talking to the City of Cincinnati to start a DORA. They expect public engagement sessions will be held in late fall, followed by a survey during the winter. So still pretty preliminary but that would be Cincinnati's 5th DORA. It looks like the edition is not on their website yet but it should appear on this page in the future.
August 16, 20222 yr On 8/11/2022 at 11:48 AM, Dev said: I believe they're looking to create it for Short Vine and the "Bearcats Bash" tailgate they're creating.
August 16, 20222 yr 19 minutes ago, tonyt3524 said: I believe they're looking to create it for Short Vine and the "Bearcats Bash" tailgate they're creating. Short Vine isn't in Clifton though.
August 16, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, DEPACincy said: Short Vine isn't in Clifton though. Oh good point. Then I guess there will be multiple attempts at DORA in the CUF area then
August 16, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, tonyt3524 said: Oh good point. Then I guess there will be multiple attempts at DORA in the CUF area then Short Vine isn't in CUF either, it's Corryville lol I think the phrase you are looking for is 'Uptown'
May 9, 20232 yr $10M Clifton arts facility reaches major milestone The Clifton Cultural Arts Center (CCAC) took another step forward in bringing the organization back under one roof last week. CCAC staff and supporters, along with members of Skanska’s Ohio office, gathered May 5 for a topping out ceremony for the organization’s new center. Once complete, the building will be the CCAC’s base of operations six years after the Cincinnati Board of Education reclaimed its former home on Clifton Avenue for use as a neighborhood school. The occasion was commemorated by supporters of the CCAC signing the structure's final beam, which was then hoisted by a crane to the top of the building, according to a news release. “The Clifton Cultural Arts Center is a huge cornerstone of the community right in the heart of Clifton,” Skanska Project Manager Chase Eggers said in a release. “There has been a steady stream of people coming by this afternoon to sign the beam and ensure they are forever part of this building. It is amazing to see all of the excitement around this project.” More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/05/09/clifton-art-facility-reaches-major-milestone.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
May 10, 20232 yr What's with the plant being lifted up with the final beam? I've seen that on other topping out ceremonies as well.
May 10, 20232 yr 48 minutes ago, OliverHazardPerry said: What's with the plant being lifted up with the final beam? I've seen that on other topping out ceremonies as well. It's roots are in Scandinavia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topping_out "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 5, 20231 yr This is why the power is out on Ludlow Ave. today: Unfortunately, Habenero and Whole Bowl can't open and presumably all of the food in their coolers is going bad. Also, here is a photo of the arts center construction:
September 12, 20231 yr Look at this terrible sentence...how did this not trigger that Microsoft paperclip?: Anyway, here we go with the whole song-and-dance re: "homeless" people refusing to live in taxpayer and charity-funded shelters, plus the rich people who use them as pawns. https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/clifton/clifton-council-reverses-course-on-homeless-encampments-after-significant-pushback Edited September 12, 20231 yr by Lazarus
September 12, 20231 yr 7 hours ago, Lazarus said: "homeless" people refusing to live in taxpayer and charity-funded shelters do we know this for a fact? Are the shelters full? Is there an outreach problem and they don't know what's available to them? It's Clifton, so there certainly could be a blind spot in outreach compared to downtown.
September 12, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, 10albersa said: do we know this for a fact? Are the shelters full? Is there an outreach problem and they don't know what's available to them? It's Clifton, so there certainly could be a blind spot in outreach compared to downtown. It's not a monolithic community. Some folks appreciate help, but some people definitely do refuse help. Over the last week, I've been working with staff at Cincinnati Health Network trying to get some folks who've been living on the streets in the northern part of OTR into a shelter. But they have refused help over multiple days despite the outreach workers' best efforts.
December 14, 20231 yr I was just on the receiving end of a road rage flip-out in Clifton...I pulled out of the Habanero/Ace Hardware parking lot and somebody coming up the Ludlow Hill at about 45mph slammed on their brakes and laid on their horn, even though the light at Telford was red, then followed me up Jefferson to the big intersection by the EPA, where they swerved around my car and continued to threaten me at the stop light. They kept asserting that the speed limit in front of the Esquire Theater is 35mph and that "I don't know how to drive". No buddy, it's 25mph, just like every other strip like that in the city. I told him to quit doing drugs.
February 1, 20241 yr Cincinnati copper company buys Worthmore Food Products building with iconic smokestack The owner of a Greater Cincinnati architectural sheet metal company has purchased the Worthmore Food Products Co. plant that features an iconic smokestack visible to drivers along Interstate 75. Meanwhile, Worthmore's canned mock turtle soup isn't made in Cincinnati anymore. Grant Alexander, founder, owner and president of Camp Washington-based Alexander Copper Co., bought the 18,000-square-foot, three-story historic building just off Ludlow Avenue next to Cincinnati State Technical and Community College. He’ll move his company’s operations there within the next two months. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/01/31/worthmore-food-building-iconic-smokestack-sold.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 1, 20241 yr So did Worthmore move to another location? Looks like they are still in business somewhere. When i lived on Marshall Ave & Riddle Rd i always walked outside to the smell of chili in the morning and assumed it was from them as i was pretty far from Camp Washington. I moved in 2008 but always saw activity near that building so i figured that is where it was made. Never looked further into it though. Glad it will find life from another business, though i bet that would have made some rocking lofts despite being right by 75.
February 1, 20241 yr 36 minutes ago, SleepyLeroy said: So did Worthmore move to another location? Looks like they are still in business somewhere. When i lived on Marshall Ave & Riddle Rd i always walked outside to the smell of chili in the morning and assumed it was from them as i was pretty far from Camp Washington. I moved in 2008 but always saw activity near that building so i figured that is where it was made. Never looked further into it though. Glad it will find life from another business, though i bet that would have made some rocking lofts despite being right by 75. The article says Worthmore moved out in July last year. They're now essentially contracted out to Boone Brands in North Carolina.
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