Posted June 28, 200717 yr This is from a report ranking MSAs by how much of the household budget is spend on transportation http://www.transact.org/library/reports_pdfs/driven_to_spend/Driven_to_Spend_Report.pdf Table 1. 2003 Household Expenditures on Transportation by Metropolitan Area Rank MSA Expenditures on Transportation 1 Houston 20.9% 2 Cleveland 20.5% 3 Detroit 20.5% 4 Tampa 20.4% 5 Kansas City 20.2% 6 Cincinnati 20.0% 7 Anchorage 19.9% 8 Dallas- Fort Worth 19.7% 9 Phoenix 19.6% 10 Miami 19.6% 11 Denver 19.2% 12 Seattle 19.0% 13 St. Louis 18.7% 14 Atlanta 18.7% 15 Los-Angeles 18.4% 16 San Diego 18.4% 17 Honolulu 18.0% 18 Boston 17.2% 19 Minneapolis- St. Paul 17.2% 20 Chicago 16.9% 21 Milwaukee 16.6% 22 San Francisco 16.6% 23 Pittsburgh 16.6% 24 Philadelphia 15.9% 25 Washington D.C. 15.4% 26 New York 15.4% 27 Portland 15.1% 28 Baltimore 14.0% United States 19.1% Source: Selected metropolitan statistical areas: Average annual expenditures and characteristics, Consumer Expenditure Survey, 2002-2003.
June 28, 200717 yr Why is this a Cleveland/cinci thing when the "study" includes all cities. Why couldn't it be titled, "Who Spends the Most on Housing & Transportation?" Then in the body, highlight the Ohio cities? UGH
June 28, 200717 yr Why is this a Cleveland/cinci thing when the "study" includes all cities. Why couldn't it be titled, "Who Spends the Most on Housing & Transportation?" Then in the body, highlight the Ohio cities? UGH Because this is URBANOHIO
June 28, 200717 yr Nothing on that list surprises me. Okay, so maybe Anchorage. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 28, 200717 yr I don't understand why Cleveland and Cincy are so high... am I overlooking the obvious?
June 28, 200717 yr This report has to do only with the overall cost of owning and driving a car and the impact on the average family budget. It's a very well done report. I had a chance to read it a while back.
June 28, 200717 yr How much of this has to do with the difference in household budgets in say NY or DC vs Cleveland or Detroit -vs- the amount of transportation expenditures in those respective cities?
June 28, 200717 yr About $6./week for my commute. Dang high gas prices!! I used to spend about $4. :-D
June 29, 200717 yr Consider the angles: > High costs of housing, eating out, entertainment etc. in NYC, D.C., LA, SF, Chicago etc. > Low costs of same in Cleveland, Cincinnati, KC, Detroit, etc. > The ability to live a car-free lifestyle in NYC, DC, SF, Chicago, etc. > The inability to live a car-free lifestyle in Houston, Cleveland, Detroit, Tampa, Kansas City, Cincinnati, etc. Notice Portland, Ore. is 27th on the list. It's a rare combination of low cost of living and ability to live a car-free (or car-light) lifestyle. Baltimore's not too shabby in that regard either. So imagine if Cleveland and Cincinnati had a more extensive and intensive transit system, more high-density mixed-used neighborhoods where you can walk to virtually everything in 0-10 minutes, and more bicycle-friendly communities. We could compete much better for immigrants who either can't afford to own and operate cars, or don't want to because they have never driven a car before, or aren't comfortable with driving in a strange country. With our other low costs of living, Cleveland and Cincinnati should be a tremendous draw for immigrants -- if only we can make it cheaper/easier for them to get around within them. And don't give me crap about not being able to find jobs in our metro areas. The hardest part about finding jobs here is physically reaching them. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 29, 200717 yr I don't understand why Cleveland and Cincy are so high... am I overlooking the obvious? yes, cars are really expensive. Also Columbus seems to not have been in the study or I would assume they would be right up there with cincinnati and cleveland.
June 29, 200717 yr I sold my car three years ago after doing the math of how much I was spending on gas, insurance, repairs, etc. I've been living car free since then saving money..plus I never get bothered by the rise in gas prices. Of course, Ithe majority of my time is pretty much spent between downtown and Little Italy, but it works for me and my lifestyle. *Also, this study is from 2002, if that effects anything.
June 30, 200717 yr I sold my car three years ago after doing the math of how much I was spending on gas, insurance, repairs, etc. I've been living car free since then saving money..plus I never get bothered by the rise in gas prices. Of course, Ithe majority of my time is pretty much spent between downtown and Little Italy, but it works for me and my lifestyle. *Also, this study is from 2002, if that effects anything. I assue you had a girlfriend already or wife that didn't mind. These days having a car is a must to date or your mate will be looking other places.
June 30, 200717 yr How so? A friend of mine who lives in Shaker Heights doesn't own a car and is actually "too active" in the dating department (he dates more than woman at a time). He has no problem dating with a car. If someone needs a car to be better dater, then that doesn't speak too well of the man, IMHO. Kind of like the joke about the guy with the biggest, fanciest car probably has the smallest dick and the most fragile ego. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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