28 minutes ago, cincinnatizach said:

32 stories seems like it would typically be more than 300 feet? This is what is confusing to me

Does seem odd, basically if you math it out 32 floor for a 300ft tower is 9.375ft for each floor. I could see the smaller part of the tower being 300 ft with the taller portion being 320 ft. 

22 minutes ago, TheCOV said:

Worst take ever on Carew Tower. 🤣

seriously. 3 more minutes of work...

41 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Does seem odd, basically if you math it out 32 floor for a 300ft tower is 9.375ft for each floor. I could see the smaller part of the tower being 300 ft with the taller portion being 320 ft. 

The article states the hotel tower will be 26 stories tall standing stop a 6 story podium.The article could well be referencing the height of the hotel tower only.It is the Enquirer their details are constistently lacking.Add 6 stories too the 300 ft of the hotel tower and that very well could end up at 360-400 feet tall building. 

6 minutes ago, ucnum1 said:

The article states the hotel tower will be 26 stories tall standing stop a 6 story podium.The article could well be referencing the height of the hotel tower only.It is the Enquirer their details are constistently lacking.Add 6 stories too the 300 ft of the hotel tower and that very well could end up at 360-400 feet tall building. 

Let’s hope. The renderings do make it look higher than 300ft. 

1 hour ago, ucnum1 said:

The article states the hotel tower will be 26 stories tall standing stop a 6 story podium.The article could well be referencing the height of the hotel tower only.It is the Enquirer their details are constistently lacking.Add 6 stories too the 300 ft of the hotel tower and that very well could end up at 360-400 feet tall building. 

 

Looking at the renderings, I think the total height is 26 stories. In other words, it looks like a 6 story podium with 20 stories above. 

 

Hotel floors, in general, are shorter than office building floors.  If you have a 6 story parking podium (say, 60 feet), and 20 floors at 11.5 feet each (say, 230 feet), then 300ish feet sounds about right.

17 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

 

Looking at the renderings, I think the total height is 26 stories. In other words, it looks like a 6 story podium with 20 stories above. 

 

The Enquirer article before it was updated  26 story hotel tower sitting upon a 6 story podium of retail and lobby space.That has since been removed so IDK.

Looks like this building will be in the camera shot out of Paycor that only catches 312 Plum, in all of its blandness, at the moment. Stadium renovation renderings eliminate that gap in the stands, so the top of the hotel will likely be the only thing visible if that happens.

I envy the camera shots out of Acrisure in Pittsburgh.

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  4 hours ago, TheCOV said:

Worst take ever on Carew Tower. 

seriously. 3 more minutes of work...

I think it was done in Minecraft.

my mom used to collect Cats Meow buildings - had a bunch of little houses and a quaint downtown.  i always remember looking at them at the store when she was picking out new ones to buy and there was always this abomination in the Cincinnati/local building section...  looks like it is finally accurate!
 

I love how this is the talk instead of the new hotel rendering LOL!

18 hours ago, jwulsin said:

 

 

Terrace Plaza 2.0

7 minutes ago, TheCOV said:

Terrace Plaza 2.0

Very similar shape!

i know its not the point of the renderings, but why is the context so off on all these views?  
- plum street shifted east 70'
- buildings on far left side of image replaced with trees
- tire discounters HQ corner building gone
- 4th & race apartments replaced with the historic Textile building

- 600 vine highrise gone

53 minutes ago, jack.c.amos said:

i know its not the point of the renderings, but why is the context so off on all these views?  
- plum street shifted east 70'
- buildings on far left side of image replaced with trees
- tire discounters HQ corner building gone
- 4th & race apartments replaced with the historic Textile building

- 600 vine highrise gone

The one rendering also makes it look like there's a park/green space where the convention center is

I'm guessing cheap Chinese renderings 

I like the building, personally.

I liked the brick masonry base shown earlier, seemed more contextual than the white panels of stone / concrete / whatever and all the glass. This design seems colder and more generic compared to previous renderings (below) which even ignoring the cantilever has a lot more interesting ground level than what we are getting now. That being said, the verticality of the tower itself is much better than the flat grid of this previous design so all in all maybe a wash? 

On 12/19/2024 at 1:03 PM, tonyt3524 said:

The one rendering also makes it look like there's a park/green space where the convention center is

It is entirely because they are showing off the new building, anything that covers it up gets removed and anything that SHOWS it up gets diminished. Imagine if their new sleek building was dwarfed by the nearby deco glory of the Carew and Omni/Hilton? No more rendering contracts for you.

2 hours ago, SleepyLeroy said:

It is entirely because they are showing off the new building, anything that covers it up gets removed and anything that SHOWS it up gets diminished. Imagine if their new sleek building was dwarfed by the nearby deco glory of the Carew and Omni/Hilton? No more rendering contracts for you.

Carew's art deco "glory" is on the plinth and in the interior, which aren't visible here. The detailing and materiality on the towers above is straight-up bland; A good depression-era example of value engineering.

 

Getting the massing convincingly correct, which is the issue here, would actually better serve the render, as its familiarity would make the location of this hotel much easier to discern.
 

Edited December 23, 2024Dec 23 by zsnyder

1 hour ago, zsnyder said:

Carew's art deco "glory" is on the plinth and in the interior, which aren't visible here. The detailing and materiality on the towers above is straight-up bland; A good depression-era example of value engineering.

 

Getting the massing convincingly correct, which is the issue here, would actually better serve the render, as its familiarity would make the location of this hotel much easier to discern.
 

Understood, but you are missing my point.  Carew is twice the height of the new tower and they probably arent interested in making the neighboring buildings look correct when they dwarf the feature building. They really dont want to emphasize the setting at all unless it makes their building look better, that is all i was saying.

7 hours ago, SleepyLeroy said:

Understood, but you are missing my point.  Carew is twice the height of the new tower and they probably arent interested in making the neighboring buildings look correct when they dwarf the feature building. They really dont want to emphasize the setting at all unless it makes their building look better, that is all i was saying.

It all makes me feel like it's been designed for Anywhere, USA and has taken no context into account in how it relates to its surroundings.

On 12/23/2024 at 11:18 PM, TheCOV said:

It all makes me feel like it's been designed for Anywhere, USA and has taken no context into account in how it relates to its surroundings.

That's every building these days. 

On 12/23/2024 at 11:18 PM, TheCOV said:

It all makes me feel like it's been designed for Anywhere, USA and has taken no context into account in how it relates to its surroundings.

 

To me, it looks awfully similar to Queen City Tower without the tiara.  In other words, blah with no sense of place.

 

I like the building a lot. Yes overall a glass box but it’s a handsome building. I’m glad it’s not a plain uniform glass structure like many others. They did a pretty good job “breaking” it up with a change in height north - south along with the window sizing-ish variations, and that middle section which looks to be maybe meeting room or amenity levels sticking out. The entrance/drive along plum st (I think that is) looks like it’s going to be pretty grand as well. This big new hotel looks better than many others. As a side note the shell looks Omni or Loews, we will be finding out shortly (still hoping it’s not Hilton)

Edited December 26, 2024Dec 26 by 646empire

Cincinnati needs like 10 more of these. We have a beautiful skyline but the lack of these types of modern infill glass box skyscrapers is how you can easily discern that we are not growing the way Nashville or Austin is. We can preserve our history and fill in with these.

12 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

Cincinnati needs like 10 more of these. We have a beautiful skyline but the lack of these types of modern infill glass box skyscrapers is how you can easily discern that we are not growing the way Nashville or Austin is. We can preserve our history and fill in with these.

I agree, this kind of building will fit in really nicely in Cincys downtown especially when you contrast it to other structures downtown. Also it’s going to look very good with the Convention Center Renovation wrapping the building in a Metal/Aluminum material. I’m impressed between the Convention Center, The Hotel and the former Saks Fifth Ave building 700 Million Dollars+ is underway just on those blocks.

Edited December 26, 2024Dec 26 by 646empire

2 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

Cincinnati needs like 10 more of these. We have a beautiful skyline but the lack of these types of modern infill glass box skyscrapers is how you can easily discern that we are not growing the way Nashville or Austin is. We can preserve our history and fill in with these.

The thing that's pretty crazy about Cincinnati is all the office absorption and historic buildings under renovation into apartments/hotels.
 

I feel in 5 years if the pace continues and the economy is doing well, hopefully more back to office happens and there is demand for some office towers too.

17 minutes ago, IAGuy39 said:

The thing that's pretty crazy about Cincinnati is all the office absorption and historic buildings under renovation into apartments/hotels.
 

I feel in 5 years if the pace continues and the economy is doing well, hopefully more back to office happens and there is demand for some office towers too.

 

Downtown is going to be bumpin when all those residential towers are full of people.

21 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Downtown is going to be bumpin when all those residential towers are full of people.

Yes, there is just so much going on right now it is kind of hard to keep track.

 

I especially think 4th Street is really coming along. Then, with all the new hotels coming online, those add a lot of good life too.

On 12/18/2024 at 10:11 AM, ColDayMan said:

The Millennium Hotel was 350 feet so this 50 foot drop isn't...terrible...but I'd rather it at least match the previous hotel.

 

If it ends up being 300', then yeah, that's a downgrade in height. But this building is much more significant to the skyline than the "needle-like" Millennium both for it's broad faćades and it more modern and elegant glass finish. 

 

As far as 300' being the final height, in the renderings it looks to me that it is significantly taller than the 260' Hyatt. But admittedly the rendering is not an authoritative way gauge this. I'm counting 20 "hotel-short" stories of hotel over a pad of 6 "meeting space-tall"stories. So probably 300'. 

 

Looks like t's height siblings will be Kroger, Macy's, Enquirer, and 525 Vine. Not bad, but again, another in the long line of Cincinnati-shrinkage. 

So Indy is getting a 468' Hilton. Yet here we are 300'.

21 minutes ago, anusthemenace said:

So Indy is getting a 468' Hilton. Yet here we are 300'.

 
Whats the problem? This a whopping 400+ Million Dollar hotel that’s going to be VERY nice. Who cares that it’s not as tall as Indy. The site of the hotel is large there was no need to go particularly tall. 

Plus Indianapolis has a much bigger convention business. Supply and demand...

Folks the fascination with building height is definitely becoming a little…. Toxic lol. Just because a building is taller doesn’t mean it’s bigger or better. For all this talk about Indy many of you are not aware these hotels are the SAME at 800 rooms. They are going to cost about the SAME too flirting with the 500 million mark (Cincy just under at 480 ish and Indy just over at about 520ish). Also both of these hotels are being coupled with convention center projects of another 200 Million. Both cities are at approximately 700 Million in total. The extra height in Indy is due in part to a different kind of site than Cincys hotel. I’d argue a hotel the height of Indy’s Signia would be odd at the Cincy location (it might have made sense at the former Millennium hotel corner tho), Cincys site needed and could fit a building that has a larger footprint.

 

Edited January 9Jan 9 by 646empire

I give Indy the edge on rendering. Add another 10 million for that to your totals.

8 minutes ago, zsnyder said:

I give Indy the edge on rendering. Add another 10 million for that to your totals.

I think Cincys hotel is going to have a bigger impression to pedestrians on the street than Indy’s. The building is going to be quite impressive in regards to size and design. I’ve heard from the visit cincy team the interiors are 1st class as well. More detailed renderings are coming with the flag announcement.

 

Edited January 9Jan 9 by 646empire

Keep in mind too that Indy isn’t the only competition for meetings etc. Cincy is going to have the biggest and best convention property in Ohio that’s for sure. Columbus has 1000 rooms but its actually split between 2 Hilton buildings. And Cleveland is at 600. And I’m told the build out is going to be much more Lux than the new Columbus expansion Hilton.

Indy's building is much more impressive imo.  Taller is always better.  Newer and bigger buildings show that a city is growing. 

 

It's pretty pathetic for Cincy that in almost 100 years since Carew was built only 1 building has been constructed that is taller then it. 

Edited January 9Jan 9 by Cincy513

4 minutes ago, Cincy513 said:

Taller is always better. 

Lol…. Ok. So you would take a 50 Story Hilton over a 25 Story Conrad. If so no offense but thank the lord it’s not up to you.

14 minutes ago, 646empire said:

Lol…. Ok. So you would take a 50 Story Hilton over a 25 Story Conrad. If so no offense but thank the lord it’s not up to you.

As a local who will never stay in any of these hotels I don't really care what the brands are.  This just continues the trend of Cincinnati doing things on a smaller scale then our competitors.  Maybe we'll actually build something tall the next time a new building happens in 20+ years.  

2 minutes ago, Cincy513 said:

As a local who will never stay in any of these hotels I don't really care what the brands are.  This just continues the trend of Cincinnati doing things on a smaller scale then our competitors.  Maybe we'll actually build something tall the next time a new building happens in 20+ years.  

 

Why does it need to be taller if it's the same number of rooms? A bigger skyline is cool and all but that doesn't drive any economic impact.

2 minutes ago, Cincy513 said:

As a local who will never stay in any of these hotels I don't really care what the brands are.

I rest my case.

Just now, tonyt3524 said:

 

Why does it need to be taller if it's the same number of rooms? A bigger skyline is cool and all but that doesn't drive any economic impact.

Yupp it’s Pure silliness. Also this building is going to be very visible especially along 75 and all kinds of angles downtown. I can guarantee you from meeting planners to clients such as the NFL (Draft Coming) building height doesn’t cross their mind at ALL, but the quality and room counts does.

1 hour ago, 646empire said:

Keep in mind too that Indy isn’t the only competition for meetings etc. Cincy is going to have the biggest and best convention property in Ohio that’s for sure. Columbus has 1000 rooms but its actually split between 2 Hilton buildings. And Cleveland is at 600. And I’m told the build out is going to be much more Lux than the new Columbus expansion Hilton.

 

So what "lux" hotel is this going to be? If it's an Omni or Loews...that isn't exactly a step-up from the Columbus or Cleveland Hiltons.

29 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

 

So what "lux" hotel is this going to be? If it's an Omni or Loews...that isn't exactly a step-up from the Columbus or Cleveland Hiltons.

The build out in finishes and design is going to be much more Lux, also as someone who has worked in hotels before, Omni for example definitely is a step up from Hilton. Hilton designs tend to be more generic and MOST important these hotel brands are ran veryyyy differently the talent level and care from management down can be worlds apart. These companies point blank period hire, train and retain employees differently.

Edited January 9Jan 9 by 646empire

12 minutes ago, 646empire said:

The build out in finishes and design is going to be much more Lux, also as someone who has worked in hotels before, Omni for example definitely is a step up from Hilton. Hilton designs tend to be more generic and MOST important these hotel brands are ran veryyyy differently the talent level and care from management down can be worlds apart. These companies point blank period hire, train and retain employees differently.

I have been personally hoping for Omni because they are well regarded by the public and planners and ran much better than Hiltons. Hiltons* not all Hilton brands like Conrad etc. This hotel may turn out to be a Hilton not sure although I’ve heard unconfirmed whispers. 

Edited January 9Jan 9 by 646empire

That Indy rendering shows a 468' tower with a sea of parking and one story buildings beyond. I know it's not truly an either or but I'd much rather have a filled out downtown core (and this hotel will cover up a huge sea of parking that currently exists) of slightly shorter buildings than taller buildings standing in a sea of parking. It's why Columbus and Indy feel more like Denver or Texas cities; they may have taller towers than Cincy but lack the dense and fine grained development of older downtowns that feel much nicer to walk through.

15 hours ago, CincyIntheKnow said:

Plus Indianapolis has a much bigger convention business. Supply and demand...

Exactly. Theres no point copying like for like. It should be market appropriate.