What's Morrow County doing in Columbus' MSA in the article?

 

Morrow County is part of Columbus' metro.  I know it looks strange how it sticks out like that, but is is part of the official designation. 

^Heh, sure enough it is. Seems like a lot of times it gets left out but I checked the Census website and there it was.

Cleveland itself is not really doing it, as it still has one of the highest unemployment rates of any city in the state.  It's the surrounding counties that have been bringing down the rate.  The opposite is true for the Columbus metro, where Columbus has one of the lowest rates in its metro and some of its surrounding counties are holding it higher overall.

 

That's not true. Yes, the city of Cleveland has a higher rate of unemployment (9.1%), but it is not one of "the highest unemployment rates of any city in the state."

 

Also, if Cleveland's city limits were as large as those of Columbus, do you think that the unemployment rate in Cleveland might be lower? I mean, the city of Columbus is almost the entire Columbus metro, which explains the small[er] difference in the two unemployment figures (city vs. metro). So, couldn't that be a possibility?

Cleveland itself is not really doing it, as it still has one of the highest unemployment rates of any city in the state.  It's the surrounding counties that have been bringing down the rate.  The opposite is true for the Columbus metro, where Columbus has one of the lowest rates in its metro and some of its surrounding counties are holding it higher overall.

 

That's not true. Yes, the city of Cleveland has a higher rate of unemployment (9.1%), but it is not one of "the highest unemployment rates of any city in the state."

 

I guess it depends on what you want to judge it against.  Judging it against Dayton, Youngstown, Columbus, Toledo, Cincinnati, Akron and Canton (the cities most often compared), it's towards the bottom.  Against every city in general in the state, it's toward the top.  Out of the 3-Cs, it's 2nd.  Nationally, it's slightly above the average. 

 

Also, if Cleveland's city limits were as large as those of Columbus, do you think that the unemployment rate in Cleveland might be lower? I mean, the city of Columbus is almost the entire Columbus metro, which explains the small[er] difference in the two unemployment figures (city vs. metro). So, couldn't that be a possibility?

 

Columbus is 217 square miles in a metro that's well over 3,000, so saying it encompasses almost the entire metro is completely false and a little silly.  As for what Cleveland's rate would be if it were Columbus' size, who knows.  I don't have that answer and neither do you, but I'm not sure how city size would necessarily change things automatically.  You would have to assume that the square miles that Columbus includes and what Cleveland doesn't have much lower unemployment rates, but it could be just the opposite, where what Cleveland doesn't include and Columbus does is much worse.   

I guess it depends on what you want to judge it against.  Judging it against Dayton, Youngstown, Columbus, Toledo, Cincinnati, Akron and Canton (the cities most often compared), it's towards the bottom.  Against every city in general in the state, it's toward the top.  Out of the 3-Cs, it's 2nd.  Nationally, it's slightly above the average.   

Again, you are incorrect. Cleveland's (city) unemployment rate is lower than Cincinnati's (9.2%), Dayton's (10.6), and Toledo's (10.1). I think it is safe to assume Cleveland's rate is also lower than the rates in Canton, Mansfield, Lima, Springfield, and Youngstown. However, those cities don't have numbers out for October yet, so I'm only going off the numbers and trends from September. In sum, out of Ohio cities, Cleveland is doing pretty well. As far as Cleveland vs. the nation, Cleveland's is 0.1% higher than the national average, so yes, it is "slightly higher."

 

Columbus is 217 square miles in a metro that's well over 3,000, so saying it encompasses almost the entire metro is completely false and a little silly.  As for what Cleveland's rate would be if it were Columbus' size, who knows.  I don't have that answer and neither do you, but I'm not sure how city size would necessarily change things automatically.  You would have to assume that the square miles that Columbus includes and what Cleveland doesn't have much lower unemployment rates, but it could be just the opposite, where what Cleveland doesn't include and Columbus does is much worse.   

I was joking about it being the majority of the metro's area, I guess I should have made that clearer. However, my point was that the area that Columbus covers is vastly larger than the area covered by Cleveland (Columbus' 217 sq mi vs. Cleveland's 77.6 sq mi) and with that in mind, things can be, as you pointed out, positively or negatively skewed.

 

The above is why I think that it is better to compare the 3Cs by metro numbers, as that gives a fairer representation of the economies of those areas.

I guess it depends on what you want to judge it against.  Judging it against Dayton, Youngstown, Columbus, Toledo, Cincinnati, Akron and Canton (the cities most often compared), it's towards the bottom.  Against every city in general in the state, it's toward the top.  Out of the 3-Cs, it's 2nd.  Nationally, it's slightly above the average.   

 

Again, you are incorrect. Cleveland's (city) unemployment rate is lower than Cincinnati's (9.2%), Dayton's (10.6), and Toledo's (10.1). I think it is safe to assume Cleveland's rate is also lower than the rates in Canton, Mansfield, Lima, Springfield, and Youngstown. However, those cities don't have numbers out for October yet, so I'm only going off the numbers and trends from September. In sum, out of Ohio cities, Cleveland is doing pretty well. As far as Cleveland vs. the nation, Cleveland's is 0.1% higher than the national average, so yes, it is "slightly higher."

 

The Columbus Dispatch has a link to unemployment rates, and they are all out of October.  And I meant bottom as in lower than those largest cities mentioned, not bottom as in worst.  However, if you include all main cities in the state, from Findlay to Springfield to Portsmouth, etc, it's more towards the top.  It just depends on what you want to compare it to.    

 

Columbus is 217 square miles in a metro that's well over 3,000, so saying it encompasses almost the entire metro is completely false and a little silly.  As for what Cleveland's rate would be if it were Columbus' size, who knows.  I don't have that answer and neither do you, but I'm not sure how city size would necessarily change things automatically.  You would have to assume that the square miles that Columbus includes and what Cleveland doesn't have much lower unemployment rates, but it could be just the opposite, where what Cleveland doesn't include and Columbus does is much worse.   

 

I was joking about it being the majority of the metro's area, I guess I should have made that clearer. However, my point was that the area that Columbus covers is vastly larger than the area covered by Cleveland (Columbus' 217 sq mi vs. Cleveland's 77.6 sq mi) and with that in mind, things can be, as you pointed out, positively or negatively skewed.

 

The above is why I think that it is better to compare the 3Cs by metro numbers, as that gives a fairer representation of the economies of those areas.

 

You can compare city, county and metro rates and all get very different results.  The metro rate seems the most general to me, but there are many places in a metro that vary significantly, so if someone is looking at a metro to find a good place for jobs, they may get a different picture than looking at an individual city.  After all, Ashtabula could have a rate of 12%, but Lorain 5%, yet they're in the same metro.  If you just looked at the metro rate and moved to Ashtabula to find a job, you'd have a much harder time.   

^this dude needs to come w/facts.  Nothing he posts makes sense. 

What Columbus has done is gotten very good at snatching modern warehouse and retail space out of township hands before suburbs could. With those being the big drivers of employment these days, they help Columbus proper's numbers.

^this dude needs to come w/facts.  Nothing he posts makes sense.

 

What facts are in dispute?  All of Ohio's metros have strengths and weaknesses when it comes to employment numbers.  Cleveland has a great metro rate, but individual cities, like Cleveland itself, are not doing as well overall.  With Columbus, the city is doing okay, but the metro has some rough spots, like Pickaway County, which still has a rate over 9%, and other counties that did not see a drop in October at all.  Ohio has two metros, though, that are well below the national average and some of the best rates for metros nationally.  This is mostly positive news, but everyone can and hopefully will be doing better as time goes on.   

Based on the current BLS and news reports, Ohio's unemployment rate is somewhere in the range of 14-16%.   

 

https://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.oh.htm

 

How many Urban Ohio posters are currently unemployed?  

Nine years between posts? That has to be some sort of record here at UO.

3 minutes ago, KJP said:

Nine years between posts? That has to be some sort of record here at UO.

 

Welcome to the Trump economy ?

29 minutes ago, KJP said:

Nine years between posts? That has to be some sort of record here at UO.

Nope.  10+ years between posts in "Cleveland historic trolleys - staying or going" thread.