Posted July 15, 200717 yr Retail ghosts Echoes of retail's past Sunday, July 15, 2007 8:03 AM By Amy Saunders THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH The enclosed mall is a dying breed. Only three have opened nationwide since 2005. Westland Mall is one of many on life support. Why has their popularity slipped? What's ahead for the local sites? Every head in the middle of Westland Mall looked up one recent afternoon to see if the roof was falling apart. It sounded like rain, even thoughbut shoppers knew that wasn't it -- it was perfectly sunny outside. http://dispatch.com/dispatch/content/business/stories/2007/07/15/dead_malls.ART_ART_07-15-07_D1_5O793B9.html
July 15, 200717 yr I think we already have a dead malls thread. Though it may have been the one that starts with discussion of a dead mall near Middletown and then incorporated all of Ohio's dead malls since then. Check it out. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 2, 200817 yr I went to that deadmalls.com site. Absolutely fascinating. It seems like they all have the same life arc. It's sad to me, having come of age in the 80's when the mall was king, to see many of these places in such decline. Don't get me wrong...adult AJ recognizes them as soul sucking destroyers of urban retail. But a lot of my memories as a kid are pegged to one or more of these malls. The other thing that upsets me is the decline of a number of these places (particularly in the upstate NY regions which I'm familiar with) is more indicative of the decline of the cities they're in than of the shifting tastes of consumers. There's no alternate retail going in. It's all just going away leaving nothing in its place.
January 2, 200817 yr I find it amazing that the indoor mall is dying in the colder climates. I understand why Arizona, Southern Cali, Florida and other similar states would go outdoor, but when you are Ohio and you have cold and snow 30% of the year, I just can't see it. But I guess with the success of the Greene in Beavercreek with 2 enclosed malls within a 10 minute drive just shows the indoor malls just don't have it anymore, even in colder climates.
January 2, 200817 yr Birth, death and shopping Dec 19th 2007 From The Economist print edition The rise and fall of the shopping mall THE Southdale shopping centre in Minnesota has an atrium, a food court, fountains and acres of parking. Its shops include a Dairy Queen, a Victoria's Secret and a purveyor of comic T-shirts. It may not seem like a landmark, as important to architectural history as the Louvre or New York's Woolworth Building. But it is. “Ohmigod!” chimes a group of teenage girls, on learning that they are standing in the world's first true shopping mall. “That is the coolest thing anybody has said to us all day.” http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10278717
January 3, 200817 yr 30 years from now we'll be deriding the open air lifestyle center, and how it exposes us to the elements and clamor for the olden days of enclosed malls. We'll have movies that evoke the grandeur and sophistication of the suburban mall and how these accursed lifestyle centers prevent people from interacting with each other and making a real human connection. OH you just wait and see. The human ability of establishing a revisionist history is remarkable. :wink:
January 3, 200817 yr Power Center; egh, the worst word in the English language. perhaps you prefer the more European (or Canadian) spelled Power Centre?
January 5, 200817 yr I just don't see people ever having Wal-Mart nostalgia. Nothing goes on there. Malls had events from bands to car shows to fashion shows and Santa. They always had hot chicks running around, video arcades, movie theaters, majestic fountains, food courts for socializing and it was fun to just walk around and be mall rats. Wal-Mart is full of fat chicks and cheap shit.
February 21, 200817 yr http://dcnonl.com/article/id26497 Urban Land Institute panel debates future of stand-alone malls Many U.S. developers feel future lies in mixed-use model LOS ANGELES The stand-alone mall isn’t dead. It’s just dysfunctional. That was one of the sentiments expressed at an Urban Land Institute panel that tackled the question, “Can stand-alone malls survive?” The question was posed recently during ULI’s annual Reinventing Retail conference at the Wilshire Grand Hotel in Downtown Los Angeles, according to an article on online real estate Web site GlobeSt.com.
February 21, 200817 yr Couldn't it also be said that the death of standalone malls is the result of continued suburban sprawl away from areas that were built up in the 50's, 60's, and 70's, as opposed to a paradigm shift in customer preferences?
February 25, 200817 yr http://dcnonl.com/article/id26497 “You can’t just stick some outdoor on an enclosed mall and have it work,” he said. Someone should have told that to Bob Stark. Eton Collection, I'm looking at you.....
March 7, 200817 yr Couldn't it also be said that the death of standalone malls is the result of continued suburban sprawl away from areas that were built up in the 50's, 60's, and 70's, as opposed to a paradigm shift in customer preferences? That's likely. South Park Mall seems to be doing fine. Randall and Euclid Square are having problems. Parmatown's not doing too badly it seems, but they "cheated" by adding Wallyworld to the one end. I was at Beachwood Place a couple weekends ago. Holly had an eye doctor's appointment (no, she didn't bail on me as a result...lol) and I figured I could kill some time and maybe a few bucks there. Not. There is absolutely nothing there for non-wealthy heterosexual males over the age of 22.
March 7, 200817 yr Not. There is absolutely nothing there for non-wealthy heterosexual males over the age of 22." And in this corner, keeping the throwback blue-collar yokel label appropriate for some Clevelanders... :roll: clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
March 7, 200817 yr There is absolutely nothing there for non-wealthy heterosexual males over the age of 22. HUH??? Maybe its you, who should have had an eye exam. :wink: :-D
March 7, 200817 yr LOL! Good answers. But none of the places I'd normally go in a mall "on my own" were there. Seriously. No bookstore (though I supposed I coulda gone over to Borders next door, I've literally spent hours and well into three figures at what I call the "good Borders"), FYE is closed, etc.... Everything is big ticket items,jewelry stores, or overpriced stuff such as clothes priced at the level where I don't shop without her along....and mostly for her. :straightening his blue collar (for real):
August 27, 200816 yr Dead Mall Walking -by Lynn Becker August 25, 2008 Saturday, economy be damned, throngs of shoppers still surged like a teeming river along the sidewalks of North Michigan Avenue, Chicago's premiere shopping boulevard. Flowing past Chicago Place, the vertical mall at 700 North, it's unlikely they could imagine the strange world that awaits them on the other side of the large, self-powered revolving door that now churns impotently, stripped of its power to suck in passers-by. CHICAGO PLACE MALL EXTERIOR CHICAGO PLACE MALL INTERIOR Read more at http://www.lynnbecker.com/repeat/deadmall/deadmallwalking.htm
September 12, 200816 yr Mall Glut to Clog Market for Years Scarce Shoppers, Lack of Tenants Ding Developers By KRIS HUDSON and ANN ZIMMERMAN September 10, 2008; Page B1 Shopping-mall owners have struggled this year with a darkening economy, slowing consumer spending and store closings by retailers. But they face another problem that may persist long after the economy bounces back: a decade of overbuilding. Developers have built one billion square feet of retail space in the 54 largest U.S. markets since the start of 2000, 25% more than what they built during the same period of the 1990s, according to Property & Portfolio Research Inc. of Boston. U.S. retail space now amounts to 38 square feet for every person in those 54 markets, up from 29 square feet in 1983, the firm says. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122100092574816923.html?mod=todays_us_nonsub_marketplace
September 12, 200816 yr I freaking hate malls. thems fightin' words! Them's is! :) [glow=red,2,300]take that....whippersnapper![/glow]
September 12, 200816 yr I freaking hate malls. thems fightin' words! Them's is! :) [glow=red,2,300]take that....whippersnapper![/glow] HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Oh, man .. I seriously laughed my ass off on that one. Listen, I love shopping every now and then. I do. But malls make my skin crawl.
November 12, 200816 yr No. 2 mall operator warns of bankruptcy General Growth Properties blames weak retail sales and a credit market freeze. By Parija B. Kavilanz, CNNMoney.com senior writer Last Updated: November 11, 2008: 8:23 PM ET NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Growth Properties Inc., the No. 2 mall operator in the United States, has warned that an ongoing slump in retail sales, combined with the credit market lockdown, has pushed the company to the brink of bankruptcy. Chicago-based General Growth Properties said in an SEC filing late Monday that it has $900 million of property secured debt and $58 million of corporate debt coming up for renewal by Dec. 1. It also faces another $3.07 billion in debt that matures in 2009. Find this article at: http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/11/news/companies/general_growth/index.htm
November 12, 200816 yr This morning on the news, the reporter claimed sales in Beachwood Place were up.
November 12, 200816 yr This morning on the news, the reporter claimed sales in Beachwood Place were up. I can imagine as they are trying to upgrade the mall. I think there is only one vacancy. Of course 19 say, "the future of Beachwood Place is uncertain". They are a couple of notches below the PD!
November 12, 200816 yr 19 Action News is so typical of the "let's scare the hell out of people with a clever tease" style of TV news operation. That's is literally the core of the "ActionNews" concept that was developed back in the 70's by a news director and consultant by the name of Al Primo. In today's world, it seems so out of place to the point of being annoying and moronic. But you still have TV news managers that are convinced it will get people to watch. Last time I looked, 19's ratings were pretty mediocre.
November 12, 200816 yr I think that was an Associated Press Award, but (speaking from experience) stations send their best stuff in a slick package to most of these "best newscast" award competitions; literally putting on their best face. An award is not necessarily a reflection of the day-to-day quality of the news product viewers see.
November 12, 200816 yr I think that was an Associated Press Award, but (speaking from experience) stations send their best stuff in a slick package to most of these "best newscast" award competitions; literally putting on their best face. An award is not necessarily a reflection of the day-to-day quality of the news product viewers see. Just like the EMMY, People's Choice, Oscar's etc.
December 17, 200816 yr The dead mall problem By Parija B. Kavilanz, CNNMoney.com senior writer Last Updated: December 17, 2008: 10:33 AM ET NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- As the recession leaves more retail casualties in its wake, rising store bankruptcies and mall closures could have devastating economic consequences. As more stores exit malls, vacancies in regional malls could rise past 7% by year-end, a level not hit since the first quarter of 2001, according to real estate research firm Reis. Find this article at: http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/17/news/economy/retail_wasteland/index.htm?postversion=2008121706
December 17, 200816 yr Fewer retailers means less competition and fewer places to shop. "Right now everyone is euphoric over the big sales," Birnbrey said. "Once the holiday season is over then we could get this monopolistic situation where the [retail] survivors realize that they don't need to be as competitive on prices." I hope this doesn't mean Walmart will be the last man standing.
December 17, 200816 yr Fewer retailers means less competition and fewer places to shop. "Right now everyone is euphoric over the big sales," Birnbrey said. "Once the holiday season is over then we could get this monopolistic situation where the [retail] survivors realize that they don't need to be as competitive on prices." I hope this doesn't mean Walmart will be the last man standing. That has been their plan all along.
December 17, 200816 yr "One of the biggest consequences [of store and mall closings] is the loss of a sense of community," Birnbrey said. "I am a big believer that malls are an essential part of Americana. A mall is a place where people gather and socialize." Love that quote.....
December 30, 200816 yr Foreclosure at the Mall The Recession's Latest Victim Might Just Be That Shopping Center Down the Road http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=6544358&page=1
January 5, 200916 yr http://www.housingwire.com/2008/12/29/malls-the-future-of-housing/ Malls, the Future of Housing? By LISA SELIN DAVIS December 29, 2008 The mall as we know it today is a mistake. The lonely box of concrete plopped in the suburban diaspora, outdated and, in many cases, dying, isn’t quite what Victor Gruen, the Austrian-born Holocaust survivor largely credited with inventing it, envisioned. Instead, the regional enclosed shopping mall was supposed to be a community center—a little bit of downtown and a car-free haven that would include day care facilities, offices, and, perhaps most importantly, residential living components a stone’s throw from the building; the mall was always supposed to have housing nearby. ........ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 5, 200916 yr “This is the wave of the future.” Wow; No offense to ULI but why do they always insist on declaring everything green-oriented a 'wave of the future'? They also said that about Water Impact fees. Boo. I see the future of big box malls either being comprised of independent retailers (which according to Hayward works really well in Detroit); future jails/prisons, or satellite colleges/universities. Some malls are in really crappy shape and they're in really bad locations. I can't imagine there being too many success stories like the one in the article.
January 6, 200916 yr Chick-Fil-A closed at the Towne Mall (Middletown) on Dec. 31: http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/01/04/ddn010409localheadlines.html
January 7, 200916 yr What's the big attraction with outdoor shopping centers on Ohio? Who wants to walk outside from store to store when it's 26 degrees outside? Or when it's 96 degrees outside?
January 7, 200916 yr ^I anticipate there will come a day that someone decides to install a glass roof and "Arcade-ize" Crocker Park, then we'll have come full circle from open-air, to malls, to open-air, to malls again.
January 7, 200916 yr OMG Winklemans, Faflik Shoes, the 700 fussy tailors at Richmans. Is one of those Severance?
January 7, 200916 yr Both are Midway Mall in Elyria, circa 1970, linked from: www.elyriapride.elyria.com No plans for mall closing, or sale, officials say Tuesday, January 6, 2009 6:54 AM EST By CHANDA NEELY [email protected] ELYRIA — Disputing a story in The Morning Journal on Sunday, a Midway Mall spokesperson said yesterday the mall is not closing, nor are there plans for the Cleveland Clinic to buy the mall. "There is no basis of truth in the previous article written in regards to the mall closing or being sold," said Susan Godorov, vice president of marketing for Centro Properties Group, which owns the Midway Mall. URL: http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2009/01/06/news/doc4962e84cdaffa810531545.prt
January 7, 200916 yr What's the big attraction with outdoor shopping centers on Ohio? Who wants to walk outside from store to store when it's 26 degrees outside? Or when it's 96 degrees outside? People have been doing their shopping out doors for centuries, and remain attractions in any number of cold weather cities. What's the attraction of driving, parking, walking through an asphalt wasteland, and into a generic indoor space that could conceivebly be in any place on earth. How the trade for urban shopping was traded for suburban malls was made I'll never understand.
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