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I haven't driven that way in a while. It looks like it will be pretty close the street.

 

 

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yes, that appears to be the building, which is no more....

 

as for the orientation of the new development.  the drawings I saw showed the townhouses fronting Chester with a street behind them.  the street appeared to provide access to townhomes as well as the condo building behind them.

Doesn't strike me as cool, really. Given the plethora of parking lots and vacant lots in close proximity to that parcel (including a number that front Chester), it seems immensely wasteful to knock down a building to put up townhomes.

I find it odd that they are putting the townhouses on Chester and the condos behind.  I would think that it would make more sense if they reversed it, with the condos lining the street and then stepping down to townhouses and finally to the existing single family homes that make up the neighborhood.

I find it odd that they are putting the townhouses on Chester and the condos behind.   I would think that it would make more sense if they reversed it, with the condos lining the street and then stepping down to townhouses and finally to the existing single family homes that make up the neighborhood.

 

I was thinking the same thing. As much as people lament the distance that Woodhaven is set back from Chester, I think it would be odd if the new townhomes are right up on the street with just a sidewalk between them. I'd be very interested to see the site plan.

 

I wonder how well these will sell. They will be out there on sort of an island. Woodhaven and Beacon Place succeed because they back up to the Clinic. I don't see the same thing happening here.  I'm very interested to see what the price points will be.

This could tie in well with the proposed Upper Chester initiative as well. 

 

By the way, the demo and other murmurs about Madonna Hall were discussed on the "Various Demolitions" thread...  Thanks for the update Guv!

If it's the building I'm thinking of, it was sort of cool-looking - decrepit, to be sure, but looked like it would have made a cool rehab.  Maybe it just wasn't in good enough shape for that...

Got some details about Case Western Reserve University's Alumni House (yes I used the official name).  It is going to be in a house on Juniper Road that now hold Perceptis (IT help), and used to hold Nottingham-Spirk before they moved up the hill.

 

The University is putting about $3 million into the rehab of the exterior, update of the interior, new mechanicals, and an elevator attached to the back for all the old alumni with lots of money and no hips left  :wink:  Richard Bowen, an alumnus, is the architect & Marous is going to be doing the construction.

 

The building is next to Arabica Coffeehouse and in front of the Barking Spider - if I were an alum nothing could beat a meeting or reunion followed by a trip back there  :drunk:  I don't have any renderings, but soon I can take a picture of the house as it currently is - good move for a part of the University that needs some help.

Thanks for the info!

 

and an elevator attached to the back for all the old alumni with lots of money and no hips left  :wink:

 

This is probably my favorite quote of 2007.

the other intersections are supposed to have lights, with pre-emption.  i was just trying to figure out how much of a true traffic circle this was going to be (in my mind, this means yield-to-enter signage, not traffic lights controlling traffic entering the circle,not stop signs, etc.). 

 

but, with the bus lanes running through the circle, there would have to be some sort of control device to prevent the yield-to-enter traffic from running into the side of a bus trying to cross straight through on a dedicated bus lane.  i was hoping that it would be as simple as a red light that stops entering traffic where it intersects with the bus lanes (allowing e-w and w-e traffic to continue to go north or south if not crossing the bus lanes, as opposed to an overengineered, 20 traffic light solution.)

 

Anyone ever seen the the Park Avenue underpass in midtown NYC?? The CC roundabouts could  benefit from a rised median for thru RTA traffic. Hmm..

There is NO sexier picture of Cleveland than anyone taken for UC looking east (there are many on this site)!  There are the night/day/dawn/dusk pics that are amazing!  The city looks really dense!

 

The sexiest drive into the city is eastbound along the west shoreway!

 

Cleveland...HOT!  ;)

Does anyone have the renderings  for the new townhomes and condos that r going up on chester and e 82 street

There will be 13 townhomes that face onto Chester. There will be an access drive behind these townhomes. On the northernly side of the site, there will be a 19- unit loft building. From the designs that I saw, the townhomes will have a modern look to them.

Sounds like a mini Battery Park.

There is NO sexier picture of Cleveland than anyone taken for UC looking east (there are many on this site)!  There are the night/day/dawn/dusk pics that are amazing!  The city looks really dense!

 

The sexiest drive into the city is eastbound along the west shoreway!

 

Cleveland...HOT!   ;)

 

Did someone take his viagra this morning?

^^ "Sounds like a mini Battery Park."

 

Funny that you say that.  The developer and builder are the same 'team' that is bringing us battery park.  I can post a site plan on Wednesday.

Madonna Hall Site Plan

Who is the architect?

 

If they're calling the project Madonna Hall, wouldn't it have helped to keep Madonna Hall?

If they're calling the project Madonna Hall, wouldn't it have helped to keep Madonna Hall?

 

what's that quote about suburbia is where the developer bulldozes the trees then names the streets after them?

I find it odd that they didn't align the townhouses to Chester.  I guess they were trying to minimize the pavement they have to pour?  It's going to look strange coming down Chester with these things at an odd angle to the street.

the site plan follows the parcel boundaries.  I don't know if they tried to bump out the property line, but it appears that they will just go with the existing line, which is the same as the shape of the original Madonna Hall.  What is odd is that Chester was carved through the existing urban fabric in this way...  Madonna Hall was there before Chester, after all!

That sliver is part of Chester's ROW, I see.  What would need to happen to bump out the parcel?  The City would have to pass an ordinance to vacate that portion of the ROW?

 

Certainly, Chester is a mess because almost nothing fronts on to it, but I would hope that the City doesn't see that as a permanent condition, especially as redevelopment is beginning to occur.  Bumping out all the parcels along it's length would be a start.

Yes, there would have to be legislation passed to add the ROW to the parcel.  They recently did this at E. 107th & Carnegie, directly east of the Tudor Arms.  I can see this being beneficial elsewhere on Chester as development occurs, but I'm not all that concerned about it in this case.  It's a busy street and these are residential units.  And consider that Beacon Place across the street added that ridiculous frontage road to their development.  Now THAT was a bad move!

I agree about Beacon Place, not to mention that all the custom homes that were done on corner lots face the side streets, not Chester.  Most turn their vinyl sided backsides to it.  Still, a better development pattern has to start somewhere, and it isn't as if the land would have to be acquired from a private interest.

Northeast Ohio has certainly inserted itself into the conversation of contemporary architecture on a global scale:

CIA by MVRDV

MOCA by Foreign Office Architects

Akron Art Museum by Coop Himmelbl(a)u.

Don't forget the Cleveland Museum of Art project by Vinoly. Other important assets of contemporary architecture in Cleveland include the Peter B. Lewis Building by Gehry, and the Rock Hall by I.M. Pei.

 

Edit: Cleveland firm Westlake Reed Leskosky has designed a number of projects in contemporary architecture by area institutions. They get some good reviews, even by Steven Litt.

Don't forget the Cleveland Museum of Art project by Vinoly. Other important assets of contemporary architecture in Cleveland include the Peter B. Lewis Building by Gehry, and the Rock Hall by I.M. Pei.

Society Tower is Pei also, correct?

No, that's the Erieview Tower on E.9th that later included the Galleria that I.M. Pei designed. I'm not sure who did the Society Tower.

Pelli did Key Tower.  Harrison and Abramovitz designed Erieview Tower, Pei did the masterplanning for the overall Erieview development.

 

While Pei and Vinoly are world recognised, they aren't breaking new ground in architecture the way MVRDV and FOA are.  I'd say Pei and Vinoly are B+ architects, while MVRDV and FOA are A+.  Certainly nothing scientific about that ranking system...

Pelli did Key Tower.  Harrison and Abramovitz designed Erieview Tower, Pei did the masterplanning for the overall Erieview development.

 

While Pei and Vinoly are world recognised, they aren't breaking new ground in architecture the way MVRDV and FOA are.  I'd say Pei and Vinoly are B+ architects, while MVRDV and FOA are A+.  Certainly nothing scientific about that ranking system...

 

Thanks

Oh yes Tiffany's -should have used Luxury goods,instead of department store.

 

I bet if the planning was right Toby would love to live in the highest residential builiding in cleveland.

Just have to plan it to have atleast 5 residential/office/hotel buildings with a street level shops to attract all of the docotors and patients at the clinic. 105 and euclid would be active :clap:

 

I hate it when a shiek goes out and buys a house in gates mills,when he needs an operation at the clinic. :wtf: :wtf: :x

 

 

Hey everyone, what's this?

 

http://realneo.us/Archifest-Cleveland-2010

 

I never heard of "Archifest"...

 

Anyways, if I post this in Crown, I can guarantee you there will more talk about Cleveland in this building than 2 years ago when the Indians almost caught up to the Sox!

 

Is is 2010 yet?!

University Circle envisions $7 million for Euclid plan

Includes signs, visitors center, lighting

Friday, February 23, 2007

Tom Breckenridge

Plain Dealer Reporter

University Circle wants to spend $7 million on the little things that could make its growing district inviting.

 

Leaders of University Circle Inc. said Thursday that they have already raised half of what they need to add new signs, a visitors center, decorative lighting and other touches over the next five years, under an effort dubbed "Bring Back Euclid Avenue."

 

University Circle "doesn't have the feel of a place you just amble around in," University Circle Inc. President Chris Ronayne said. "That's what we aspire for it to be."

 

The effort along Euclid, from East 105th Street to East 118th, would dovetail with two projects that will soon transform how the historic artery looks...

 

 

more at:  http://www.cleveland.com

 

 

That "land south of E. 105th" bit... Could that be referring to the Cedar Road initiative being spearheaded by the Clinic?

No, I don't think the reporter wrote this correctly... I believe this is the area south of John Hay (Carnegie), east of 105th.  It's part of the Fairfax Master Plan, but isn't technically in their service area.  Part of it is in the UCI boundary, not that any of that really matters much.

In case any of you were worried that University Circle Inc. was slacking off in 2007:

 

http://198.170.76.160/content/7_campaigns.asp

 

i want the circle back.

 

Until then, I think you're a fraud.

Those campaigns look great.

 

This is kind of nit-picking, but im not a huge fan of the picture of a police car on the neighborhood link on the homepage. A shot of people outside in front of Arabica would be more appropriate in my opinion. Also, there is no slideshow of University Circle and no pictures of lagoon (that I can easily find). To me the picture of the lagoon is one of the best shots that capture the Circle and its no where prominent on the page.

The pictures on that banner change every time you connect to the site.  So, one time, you'll see the neighborhood police vehicle, while another you'll find a nice house on E. 115th Street.  I see what you're saying, but I'm going to agree that you're getting a little nit-picky!

More positive press for University Circle (from Cleveland.com):

 

Squaring away the Circle

Thursday, March 01, 2007

 

For years, people traveled to University Circle for a show or exhibit, returned to their cars and drove home. That, advocates hope, will soon change.

 

The new vision for University Circle involves hundreds of homes and businesses springing up at the intersection of Ford Drive and Mayfield Road to East 115th Street. About 200,000 square feet of retail shops and restaurants would dot the area. People would have dozens of new reasons to enjoy a pedestrian-friendly University Circle, turning art buffs, medical patients and academics into diners, shoppers and neighbors.

 

The plan to transform the place begins with making it prettier: University Circle Inc. will spend $1 million on updated signs to help people navigate hospitals, university buildings, museums and other icons there...

 

more at:  http://www.cleveland.com

^Is that from the PD?

Oh, sorry.  Yes!  I'll amend that above...  It looks like it's from the Opinion section, but has no author credit.

Oh, sorry.  Yes!  I'll amend that above...  It looks like it's from the Opinion section, but has no author credit.

 

That's a staff editorial, the official stance of the newspaper.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

To be sure, advocates need to plan for the adverse impacts of density, including traffic and congestion.

 

The people that write this sort of crap amaze me.  The author is talking about experiencing UC without a car, but then calls density a problem.  Using public transportation would obviously illeviate these traffic problems.  Density is the answer, not the problem.  These PD writers seem to be trying to write something positive (Gomez is another), but then there is one sentence in their articles that reveal their total cluelessness of the urban condition.  Damn.

Although I initially cringed when I read this, I don't object to this comment.  There certainly are adverse impacts of density, and half of what I do around my office is work to address those impacts.  The other half of what I do is try to create density.  There has to be a balance, which is how I interpreted the comment.

It does become tiresome hearing that word *always* used in a negative context, though. It would be nice to see the PD or really anyone in Cleveland besides Bob Stark refer to density as a good thing once in a while.

 

Also, the the "adverse" impacts of density mentioned here have to do primarily with traffic. Obviously, though, one the positive impacts of density is decreased auto reliance -- meaning less traffic. Many Clevelanders still don't seem to get that.

density could equal

- less obesity

- less air pollution

- less water runoff

- less traffic

 

sounds ok to me. 

 

density could equal

- less obesity

- less air pollution

- less water runoff

- less traffic

 

Don't forget a larger taxbase and lower business costs because of business not having to build and maintain as much parking (which non-motorists also have to pay for with higher consumer prices).

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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