23 hours ago, lafont said:

Such a shame those fine houses on Belflower were demolished.  Also, this was when Magnolia was already cut into two but at least it was all called that.  Then that piece was changed to "Juniper." I dream of the two stretches being reconnected and the original name coming back. Magnolia Drive was a beautiful winding boulevard, and even if some of its best houses are gone it xan have some of that presence again.

 

Check it out -- found a map of University Circle right before all the Wade Park and surrounding area residential was torn down:  

 

https://forum.urbanohio.com/topic/94-cleveland-historic-photos/page/51/?tab=comments#comment-881642

 

 

Edited March 12, 20196 yr by MuRrAy HiLL

Thanks for the oldies.  I have Plat Map pages from 1933 showing everything but I don't have a decent way to post them here.  Some Magnolia and Belflower houses were gone by 1970 and, in fact, a great deal was demolished in University Circle in the '60s.  Cleveland Heights too.  Carlton Road, like Overlook road, was in both Cleveland and Cleveland Heights.  Attached here is the text of an article that was in our Cleveland Heights Historical Society newsletter, View from the Overlook, a few years ago.  The actual newsletter has photos of every single house that had been on Carlton Road, including the two still standing.  It is on the Historical Society's website, chhistory.org, but at the moment the newsletter articles don't open, as far as I know.  The website is being re-worked.  Only one Carlton might have been considered a "mansion" but they were attractive, well-built houses and the winding street had great ambiance.  It was also a means for one to reside in a fine neighborhood so close to University Circle and downtown, though in prestige it was never quite up to the neighborhood across Cedar Glen - Ambler Heights.  Such a shame, though, its loss.  i don't know of any college that has had more demolished for its size than Case.  Of course, the adjoining institutions were well part of it too.

 

 

FROM OVERLOOK DOWN MURRAY HILL    5/22/2015

Overlook Road, winding between Cleveland Heights and Cleveland, is really the apex of the “Heights” that looks onto Little Italy’s Murray Hill Road.  Much has changed since the early 20th century, when many a fine house graced the slope of Overlook Road down to Murray Hill Road – replaced by dormitories, the accompanying student dining halls, and University-connected Greek houses –all up and down the hill.  Trails, if not whole streets, once went up this part of the escarpment, but there are only hints of one or two. 

As has often been written, Overlook Road was planned by a Southerner, Patrick Calhoun, as the showplace boulevard of his Euclid Heights development.  The tract was first envisioned in 1891 and was to extend up to Coventry Road.  Slightly less known is the separate and slightly newer tract, Carlton Park – the short, curving street off Overlook.  It, too, was in both Cleveland and Cleveland Heights and lined with fine houses – about half overlooking Cedar Glen – and it ended with a terrific view over the city of Cleveland.  Finally, and almost unknown today, were several residences down the hill but above Murray Hill Road, of which no traces exist today.  One of these homes was in Cleveland and two were actually in Cleveland Heights.  They were both highly distinctive and worthy of recognition.

Overlook Road, in its heyday as a two-block “Millionaires’ Row,” boasted some sixteen mansions.  All five of the residences on the slope side were in Cleveland.  The Hinds House, Richardsonian Romanesque in style, was the first Overlook house to be demolished, likely in 1929; in its place was constructed the dramatic First Church of Christ Scientist.  In that era, in a growing city, it was standard for a mansion to be sacrificed for an institution. 

  First Church of Christ, a mighty church with tower seen for miles, covers more of the property than did the mansion. The Hinds House’s Tiffany stained glass window, incidentally, has long been on display at the Cleveland Museum of Art.   The Kelley, Cuddy, Sherwin, and Dodge mansions once also stood on that side of Overlook Road, with the first three and their respective carriage houses, for a while, serving Ursuline College and the fourth, the Dodge residence, housing general offices.  These former residences dated from 1898 to 1905 and were demolished in the 1960s with no plans for construction of useful buildings on the properties.

Carlton Park, the tract along Carlton Road which dates from about 1910, was developed by the Fred A. Lee Realty Company.   Case Institute of Technology was solely responsible for the eventual demise as a street of beautiful single homes.  Carlton Road was originally lined with sixteen or seventeen homes, with seven all or partially in Cleveland Heights.  The street was actually an early cul-de-sac, with its more prominent houses on the circle overlooking Cleveland - on large lots extending down the promontory.  These - numbers 11893 and 11894 - were not constructed until about 1923, meaning residents in the earlier houses had originally enjoyed a clearer view toward downtown.  The homes of 1923, along with 11896 and 11898, were entirely in Cleveland Heights, and the properties at 11901, 11916, and 11920 were partially in the suburb.

The street itself remained intact until the early 2000s, when CWRU shortened it, eliminating the circle for traffic.  A very pleasant residential street for just over 50 years, close to downtown Cleveland for a street with homes of this quality, Carlton had echoed Ambler Heights, across Cedar Glen and also in both Cleveland Heights and Cleveland.  Ambler Heights, which featured still larger homes than Carlton Park, was older and is still intact.

Early Carlton Park residents included George N. Sherwin, a Vice President of the Union Trust Company, Ermine Barrows Jones, the widow of James M. Jones, a Common Pleas Judge; the Jones’ daughter, Myrta L. Jones, noted social reformer and women’s activist; and Mrs. Henry L. Sanford, a founder of the Women’s City Club.  At least six of Carlton Park’s large houses were designed by the Cleveland firm of Walker & Weeks, which had also designed many houses in the Wade Park Allotment about the same time. 

Four of these Carlton Road houses, and the years designed, were: the Frank E. Abbot Residence, 1913 (actually constructed?  Address unknown); the Sanford Residence, 1913-14, at 11930; the Arthur D. Brooks residence, 1916, at 11936.  In general, the homes of Carlton Park were comfortably sized and with steep gables.  Many facades featured asymmetrically placed windows; they were of shingles, clapboard, or stucco; and many had side bay windows or sun porches.  Almost all houses were center entranced and many had attached garages facing the street – a most unusual feature for this construction period.  Number 11894, probably the street’s largest residence, was three-story and Jacobean style – resembling baronial homes in Shaker Heights and the Fairmount Boulevard National Historical District.  It was built by Bascom Little, Sr. – prominent Cleveland building contractor, for his family – and its property extended down the hill.  Later the house was owned by Albert and Maxine Levin – the latter known by the late 1860s as one of the movers and shakers of the architectural preservation movement in Cleveland.

By the early 1960s, a period nationwide of huge numbers of colleges and universities building new student residents, Case Institute of technology administration proposed several residential complexes along Carlton Road.  At the time, the residential street was still considered prestigious by many, with the houses well maintained into the decade.  Western Reserve University was planning a new complex of dormitories in the vicinity of Magnolia and Mistletoe Drives, cutting off Magnolia Drive.   Over a six-year period Case purchased 18 parcels along Carlton, leaving five houses still privately owned in early 1966.  The owners of these five, all prominent citizens, still had hopes that rezoning from one-family use to multiple dwelling use would not be approved, though several houses had already been demolished – all or mainly on the Cleveland Heights side.

A Plain Dealer Article of 1/8/1966 quoted Mrs. Marjorie Jamison, former Cleveland Public Library Board member, as stating at a Cleveland Board of Zoning Appeals meeting that the zoning change was “urban renewal in reverse,” in that the Institute should instead be moving in the direction of Carnegie Avenue, where derelict properties were abundant.  She referred to Carlton Road as a “beautiful street of architectural gems” and stated the rapid tracks and hills were a “natural barrier” between the University Circle institutions and a residential district. She spoke of donating color slides to the Western Reserve Historical Society such that there would be a record of what the street was once like.  Murray Hill residents also attended the meeting to oppose the zoning change.  Paul Minnillo, restaurant owner, stated that the new dormitories built above Murray Hill Road caused the sewers to back up and had created a major parking problem in the district.

A Plain Dealer article of 1/22/66 described a Cleveland Planning Commission meeting whereby Ernest J. Bohn, chair of the Commission, submitted that Case really need only one of the still privately residences for its building needs.  Planned in the proposed $6.6 million project were four six-story dormitories to house 6,000, four Greek houses, and a dining hall commons.  In opposition to Bohn’s idea of not rezoning four properties, Councilman George L. Blaha, D-33 and a member of the Commission, and Councilman Anthony J. Garafoli, D-19, whose ward included the University Circle area, called this “spot zoning” and declared it would not win City Council favor and would be a greater disservice to remaining residents than rezoning the entire area.  Bohn’s proposal was defeated 4-2.

A Plain Dealer article of 2/25/1966 announced a “partial victory” for the five remaining private property owners in that the Planning Commission agreed to delay any final vote and study the situation further – possibly visiting the site.  Parking had also become a major issue.  Forty-five-year resident Lockwood Thompson stated: “We don’t want to be pushed into the suburbs” and he referred to Carlton Park as a “Shangri-la.”  Meanwhile, T. Keith Glenner, President of Case Institute of Technology stated that if Cleveland does not approve rezoning the college will plan to first build on the Cleveland Heights portion of the street, where a zoning change had already passed. 

The Plain Dealer reported on 4/9/1966 that Neil. J. Crothers, President of the University Circle Development Foundation, offered off-street parking  off Murray Hill Road and also the use of Clark Field   According to another Plain Dealer article, dated 3/19/1967, one more house had by then been purchased by Case, and the full project went ahead – leaving four houses on Carlton Road.  The Austin Company provided the architects and engineers for the new construction.

Number 11901, the brick Lockwood Thompson house at the north end of the current street, was retained by Lockwood Thompson and currently is Phi Sigma Rho sorority and Scholars House.  Number 11920, the Barry House, is the charming stucco house overlooking Cedar Glen, currently a CWRU guest house.  Interestingly, the stucco house that was 11930 closely resembled 11920 but was larger.  A garage for one of the houses on the north side of Carlton remained until recent years.  Houses at 11945 and 11957 also remained – just off Overlook Road.  Mrs. Jamison continued to reside at 11957, a dignified New England Colonial Revival house demolished within the past fifteen years.

Few are aware of today that there were once three houses partway up the slope from Murray Hill Road - all closer to Murray Hill than Carlton or Overlook Roads.  The two houses in Cleveland Heights did not at all resemble the other houses along Murray Hill Road – some of which are gone today.   The Cleveland Heights house closer to the foot of Cedar Glen Parkway was constructed in 1938 or 1939 by the Wagoner-Hucek Development Co., according to the design of architect George W. Engelhardt, as a home for Anna Rassmussen – a teacher at the Cleveland Central neighborhood’s Marion School.  Miss Rassmussen had purchased the property from Bascom Little, Sr., who lived up the hill.

Total cost of Miss Rassmussen’s house was stated in a newspaper article of 1939 as $7,500.  It was constructed of yellow tile cavity brick, with strictly modern lines and rooms built on four levels.  On the first level were the garage and utility room, on the second the kitchen and dinette, on the third the living room, and on the fourth two bedrooms and a bath.  As an International Style house, there was translucent glass along one side of the dinette and bath, and a General Electric air condition unit was installed.  The home could be seen by the thousands driving up and down Cedar Parkway daily. It always attracted considerable attention but was demolished by the 1960s.  There is now a dormitory tower exactly or near where the house had stood.

 Further up Murray Hill Road, also part-way up the hill on the east side and on a property of 3 ½ acres, was a beautiful American Colonial residence, also – but more loftily - situated on multiple levels.  What had been a rundown barn and hayloft combined with a small house, all probably dating from the late 1890s, was eventually turned into a rambling, multi-level home by Mr. and Mrs. Bascom Little, Jr.  Actual construction work was carried out by C.A. Lohmiller of the Hunlin-Conley Construction Company. 

Mr. Little (1910-1965) was an architect associated with Maier & Walsh, Architects, as well as a musical composer.  In 1940-1 the Littles took this old structure and kept its basic outline – creating a Colonial Cape Cod - and added a two-car garage, connected by a screened porch.  Above the garage was Mr. Little’s studio.  What had been a small house was transformed into a three-story tower.  Some windows had been enlarged, dormers were made more graceful, shutters were added, and factory-type frames were ordered for one living room wall. 

The first floor housed the living room (installed from stall space), small barroom, a lavatory, and a utility room – as the barn had had no cellar.  The two-level living room overlooked the house’s three terraces.  The second floor contained the dining room and kitchen, as well as a combination sitting room and master bedroom two steps up; the bedroom took over the hayloft space.  On the tower’s third floor was a guest bedroom and bath.  A Cleveland Press article of 2/5/1941 on the home stated “every small nook and corner … is utilized….”

A Cleveland Press article dated 7/9/1949 revealed that the Little house had become even more dramatic.  It was stated it had some eleven different levels, and the house had been dressed up with dark red paint and white trim. Among the photo captions the author also wrote that only one terrace at a time was in the sun, and that the width and placement of a terrace overhang were mathematically figured to give maximum sunlight in winter, minimum during hot weather.

Clearly, expansion of Case Institute of Technology and Western Reserve University was responsible for the disappearance of these Carlton and Murray Hill homes.  Were this not to take place, the Cleveland Heights/Cleveland border might yet be filled with beautiful homes relatively convenient to all that University Circle and downtown Cleveland offer.  The 1960s was a decade when it was rare for a building from the earlier part of the 20th century to be considered worth saving if another option for the site were to materialize.   Too bad!

 

 

 

1 hour ago, lafont said:

Thanks for the oldies.  I have Plat Map pages from 1933 showing everything but I don't have a decent way to post them here....

 

If you know the volume and page, you can always post them and folks can look them up on the County Fiscal Officer site. 

166-Unit Apartment Building Coming to Hough, Will be Marketed to Case Students

https://m.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2019/03/26/166-unit-apartment-building-coming-to-hough-will-be-marketed-to-case-students

Glad to see more development spill outward from UC. The money flowing through this new Hough-led trust seems weird to me. Is this a common financial arrangement?

 

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But Signet won't be purchasing the land outright. They've agreed to a long-term lease with the New Village Corporation, a subsidiary of the community development corporation Cleveland Neighborhood Progress that facilitates complex real estate transactions with public and private partners. New Village Corporation will make the payment using proceeds from that lease, and will use additional funds to create a neighborhood land trust, controlled by a community board of Hough residents, for the development of other real estate projects. 

 

18 hours ago, Mendo said:

Glad to see more development spill outward from UC. The money flowing through this new Hough-led trust seems weird to me. Is this a common financial arrangement?

 

My guess is that the $580K consists of an accelerated, discounted lump sum payment from Signet for a portion of the lease term. 

 

More broadly, land trusts frequently leverage lease structures to fund a variety of initiatives on an on-going basis, which on a personal level, I find to be one of the more fascinating areas of real estate. The Dudley Street Neighborhood Initiative (DSNI) in Boston, which has a great history in the CLT world, has done this in a few ways:

 

https://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/cities-are-now/how-one-boston-neighborhood-stopped-gentrification-in-its-tracks

 

 

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Edited April 1, 20196 yr by KJP

Regarding the dormitory planned to the west of Ansel Road announced here recently, I wonder if the expectation is that students associated with the Maltz Center will be those expected to live there.  Will they expect some residents to have cars?  Will there be a shuttle to the main parts of the university? I take it this is to be on the west side of Ansel.  I hope there isn't a particular fear associated with this dorm that it's a high crine area and one cab't centure iusude at night, etc.  There were dormintories abd apartment buildings geared toward students at the university I attended that acquired a reputation of being in a risky location, though I don't know how appropriate. the fears were.

Edited April 1, 20196 yr by lafont

 

MONDAY, APRIL 1, 2019

New county jails proposed as UC-area high-rises!

 

Instead of seeking to develop high-rise, quality, affordable housing near rapid transit stations along the Opportunity Corridor, community development corporations are vying for Cuyahoga County's proposed consolidated jail facility.

The winning site, according to 13 sources, is on East 105th Street at Quebec Avenue. The location is next to the newly expanded East 105th-Quincy Red Line rail station, just east of the county's nine-story Juvenile Justice Center built in 2011. As part of the Opportunity Corridor project, the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority (GCRTA) opened the expanded station last year after investing $5 million in local and state funds. The station was rebuilt in 2005 for $1.3 million.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/04/new-county-jails-proposed-as-uc-high.html

Honestly that jail concept looks nicer than most of the apartment towers in Cleveland ?

Wow - Looks like a glamorous, all-glass luxury complex - a prestigious, highly sought-after location.....

Oh wait, I think this is an April Fool's joke. Serves me right for not reading the entire article ?

Isn't that the old One University Circle rendering?

April Fools Day. The joke is on us authored by KJP.

4 hours ago, lafont said:

Regarding the dormitory planned to the west of Ansel Road announced here recently, I wonder if the expectation is that students associated with the Maltz Center will be those expected to live there.  Will they expect some residents to have cars?  Will there be a shuttle to the main parts of the university? I take it this is to be on the west side of Ansel.  I hope there isn't a particular fear associated with this dorm that it's a high crime area and one can't venture outside at night, etc.  There were dormitories and apartment buildings geared toward students at the university I attended that acquired a reputation of being in a risky location, though I don't know how appropriate the fears were.

 

My first thought was “wow, I wish Nucleus looked that good!”  then, I remembered it was April 1! 

2 hours ago, KFM44107 said:

Isn't that the old One University Circle rendering?

 

It's actually this....

https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc/news/senior-housing/with-rising-demand-from-boomers-senior-housing-developers-shift-to-more-urban-projects-98007#ath

 

How's that for a senior housing project??

Edited April 1, 20196 yr by KJP

^ Have to admit you got me with that one. Didn't get suspicious until you started quoting yourself in the article; well played.

33 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

It's actually this....

https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc/news/senior-housing/with-rising-demand-from-boomers-senior-housing-developers-shift-to-more-urban-projects-98007#ath

 

How's that for a senior housing project?

I wouldn't mind that rising in University circle. Pretty hilarious article though. 

Truthfully, there are some wretched-looking side streets off the Corridor south of Cedar Avenue that could use a little "sprucing up"....

Edited April 1, 20196 yr by lafont

One last little update...and more info on the live music:

 

Cosmic Dave’s Rock Club opens in former Barking Spider Tavern space at Case Western Reserve University

APRIL 2, 2019

For more information, contact Bill Lubinger at [email protected].

 

The enticing sounds of live music—combined with a creative menu featuring fresh ingredients—are emanating once again from a former early 1900s carriage house at the heart of the Case Western Reserve University campus.

 

Cosmic Dave’s Rock Club, measuring about 2,500 square feet with a patio, is a bit of a twist on the locally owned and operated Dave’s Cosmic Subs, founded in Chagrin Falls in 1997 by Dave Lombardy.  

 

North Coast Cosmic Subs LLC, a Dave’s Cosmic Subs franchisee, signed a long-term lease for the university-owned building. The new location features a full bar, including a variety of craft and domestic beers and 12 taps.

 

On the food side, Dave’s Cosmic Subs shops are known for their varied menu and fresh ingredients—including vegetarian options—and decorated in a ’60s, tie-dye, California vibe, thus the “cosmic” name. Menu items also complement specialty cocktails and feature occasional seasonal dishes. 

 

On the entertainment side, Sidhu said they’re working on booking artists and bands of various musical genres for Friday and Saturday nights, with open-mic nights for students and others to showcase their musical talents. 

 

https://thedaily.case.edu/cosmic-daves-rock-club-opens-in-former-barking-spider-tavern-space-at-case-western-reserve-university/

Here looks to be a Doan Brook renovation picture update:

 

 

Project description towards the bottom of this article:

 

https://www.neorsd.org/awards-cleveland-foundation-grants-wi/

 

Nice post of the stream and tree Dr. Rehm, but that Liberty Oak is a sycamore, (Platanus occidentalis.)

They can be identified by their shaggy bark and white limbs.  They are very tall and long-living trees. ?

Edited April 15, 20196 yr by ExPatClevGuy

^ I’m no expert in these things, but it bugs me when people cannot correctly identify common tree types at even the family or genus level. It seemed like most everyone could do it back in the day, but it’s a type of knowledge that has fallen off a cliff over the last 20 years or so. 

Edited April 15, 20196 yr by roman totale XVII

Also, understanding the difference in nomenclature of streets, avenues and roads.

2 hours ago, ExPatClevGuy said:

Nice post of the stream and tree Dr. Rehm, but that Liberty Oak is a sycamore, (Platanus occidentalis.)

They can be identified by their shaggy bark and white limbs.  They are very tall and long-living trees. ?

Damn you beat me to it! 

What did that brook looke like beforehand?  Was it just in a conduit or was it more overgrown? 

Renderings for the Hough-Ansel Residences are out...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 25, 20196 yr by Oldmanladyluck

Interesting how they call the surface parking lot (looks like a Wal-Mart lot...is all that parking necessary in that location?) "the courtyard".

It's strange they curved up the one side of the building to accommodate a street fronting parking lot.  Why not have it curve slightly the other way and follow the line of the sidewalk and put the parking behind?

39 minutes ago, X said:

It's strange they curved up the one side of the building to accommodate a street fronting parking lot.  Why not have it curve slightly the other way and follow the line of the sidewalk and put the parking behind?

 

The curve runs along a utility easement cutting through the property.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2019/04262019/index.php

 

 

That's fair, I suppose!

2 hours ago, X said:

It's strange they curved up the one side of the building to accommodate a street fronting parking lot.  Why not have it curve slightly the other way and follow the line of the sidewalk and put the parking behind?

 

That building is close enough to some higher crime areas that hidden parking poses security issues. This design is already a little shaky in this regard.

I just saw a rendering of what is planned for the current Cleveland Dialysis center at E 118th and Euclid. I was unfortunately not able to snap a photo; however, everyone on this board would be very pleased if it is built in it's current design. Looks to be about 8-10 stories, retail, hidden parking garage. All the things we like here at Urban Ohio.

22 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

That building is close enough to some higher crime areas that hidden parking poses security issues. This design is already a little shaky in this regard.

 

True- I think the developer is taking a risk- however, if the project is successful, then spin-off development could easily occur.  There are enough vacant lots and abandoned houses around Ansel/Wade Park/ Hough Ave. for another development of this size to be built on.  

39 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

That building is close enough to some higher crime areas that hidden parking poses security issues. This design is already a little shaky in this regard.

 

The implication this would be safer set waaayyy back from the sidewalk, fronted by parking, to assuage concern about crime is just silly. And it's a shame the idea refuses to die.

 

People get robbed in my neighborhood on the sidewalk in front of houses -- occasionally in broad daylight. We could ban onstreet parking, trees in treelawns, alleys and other ways for people to hide. But I'd rather we work to improve the economics of the city than butcher basic urban principles.

2 hours ago, YO to the CLE said:

I just saw a rendering of what is planned for the current Cleveland Dialysis center at E 118th and Euclid. I was unfortunately not able to snap a photo; however, everyone on this board would be very pleased if it is built in it's current design. Looks to be about 8-10 stories, retail, hidden parking garage. All the things we like here at Urban Ohio.

 

Great to hear. I wonder how long it will be before the J&L garden center across the street succumbs to the densification?

8 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

That building is close enough to some higher crime areas that hidden parking poses security issues. This design is already a little shaky in this regard.

thanks for the update...

18 hours ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

 

True- I think the developer is taking a risk- however, if the project is successful, then spin-off development could easily occur.  There are enough vacant lots and abandoned houses around Ansel/Wade Park/ Hough Ave. for another development of this size to be built on.  

 

Developments like this, Glenville's Circle North, Fairfax's New Economy district and others spreading west into Midtown are exactly what multiple stakeholders and regional leaders were hoping for from their efforts like the Greater University Circle Initiative which I wrote about here: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2018/08/leveraging-boomtown.html

 

It's going to have some rough spots, like a contractor I work with whose housing project in Midtown had a waterfall from the second floor because the pipes were stolen. He's not quitting because he believes in what he's doing. So you keep pressing ahead and design/build these projects like they should to promote urbanity, pedestrianism/eyes on the street, and happenstance social interaction to reboot the neighborhood.

19 hours ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

 

True- I think the developer is taking a risk- however, if the project is successful, then spin-off development could easily occur.  There are enough vacant lots and abandoned houses around Ansel/Wade Park/ Hough Ave. for another development of this size to be built on.  

 

Things spread best block by block, and if this works out (I suspect it will) it's a classic example.  But one must be aware of safety, because your targetted customer base sure is.

 

Most police officers will tell you that well lighted parking areas easily visible from the street are far safer than hidden ones.   Especially on what could be called the edges of up and coming neighborhoods.   We're a car oriented region, that won't be changing soon if ever, and to the people you want living there, their safety car to building is of primary importance.

As an aside, growth of an area can lead to a center where such things are less key than on the edges.

4 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

Things spread best block by block, and if this works out (I suspect it will) it's a classic example.  But one must be aware of safety, because your targetted customer base sure is.

 

Most police officers will tell you that well lighted parking areas easily visible from the street are far safer than hidden ones.   Especially on what could be called the edges of up and coming neighborhoods.   

 

I think a 5th grader could tell you that.  The question is why can't a developer address safety without having to settle for lowest common denominator design.  Hire an expert and give it some thought.

2 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

I think a 5th grader could tell you that.  The question is why can't a developer address safety without having to settle for lowest common denominator design.  Hire an expert and give it some thought.

 

I do too, but I was trying to be polite.

Perhaps because the other ways to address it (cameras, guards, lights) are more expensive, and design in this case is a matter of aesthetics, not engineering.    Urbanists may prefer building right up to the sidewalk as happens in downtowns and other places where space is at a premium.   But when it's not, the developer will seek the most cost effective solution.  

So just like the Glenville development this isn't UC. I believe this needs its own thread as well or moved to a hough development thread (if there is one)

11 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

So just like the Glenville development this isn't UC. I believe this needs its own thread as well or moved to a hough development thread (if there is one)

 

100% agreed.

 

Way too much is getting crammed into UC development lately. 

 

We need to have independent neighborhoods development threads for Fairfax, Hough, and Glenville at the very least.

21 hours ago, YO to the CLE said:

I just saw a rendering of what is planned for the current Cleveland Dialysis center at E 118th and Euclid. I was unfortunately not able to snap a photo; however, everyone on this board would be very pleased if it is built in it's current design. Looks to be about 8-10 stories, retail, hidden parking garage. All the things we like here at Urban Ohio.

Do you know who the developer or architect are?  I look forward to seeing the renderings.

 

In the next 3-4 years I am planning on downsizing to an apartment and University Circle is currently my focus.  This corner would be my ideal UC location in terms of easy transportation, nearby amenities, green space close by and just a slight less hustle and bustle.  I hope the building is spectacular (in other words more One University Circle and less Centric)

1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said:

So just like the Glenville development this isn't UC. I believe this needs its own thread as well or moved to a hough development thread (if there is one)

 

This is the Uptown neighborhood. It should have been posted in that thread.

1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

This is the Uptown neighborhood. It should have been posted in that thread.

How is this in the Uptown neighborhood when this is located on Hough and Ansel, never before has Hough and Ansel been considered in the Uptown neighborhood. Ever.

Sorry. I should have quoted a message referencing the Cleveland Dialysis Center site. That is Uptown.

Edited April 26, 20196 yr by KJP

10 minutes ago, KJP said:

Sorry. I should have quoted a message referencing the Cleveland Dialysis Center site. That is Uptown.

Oh, yeah I was referencing the Case dorms, I guess even more reason for it to switch threads lol.

CMA unveils landscape plan that includes dining outside West Wing, skating on Wade Lagoon

Updated 8:17 AM; Today 8:00 AM

By Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio – The Cleveland Museum of Art is expanding its reach and sharpening its vision for the future of the 42.5 acres of land it owns or manages in University Circle.

 

A new landscape master plan completed by the museum envisions a skating area on Wade Lagoon, an outdoor dining area at the tip of its West Wing and improved wheelchair accessibility on crumbling pathways around the Fine Arts Garden.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/arts/2019/05/cma-unveils-landscape-plan-that-includes-dining-outside-west-wing-skating-on-wade-lagoon.html