Spent a couple of days at BGSU this past week....

 

Forward Falcons!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ohhh...I like the sculpture.

 

The building in the center of the second photo looks exactly like the orignial main building at Miami Hamilton.

^ ditto

Wow...I would love to put that thinking man in my backyard!

that sculpture is too funny -- no doubt he's thinking about someone he met at howards and about maybe getting a myles pizza.

 

thx for showing the new student union. funny from the one inside shot it looks a lot like the old one.

No offense to anyone that went to Bowling Green (mrnyc) but it has to be the most hideous campus in Ohio for the "major" universities.  I thought Toledo was a horrific campus but this one takes the cake.  Though this thread does highlight the positives of the campus (thus, great job!).

^ Haha thanks for being the first to say it, I didn't want to have to be the one to break it to people..

 

Although I love the faded brown & orange tile inside their big dorm (McDonald I believe).. yuck..

 

 

So that's where they put "The Thinker" during the Cleveland Art Musuem's renovations!

No offense to anyone that went to Bowling Green (mrnyc) but it has to be the most hideous campus in Ohio for the "major" universities.  I thought Toledo was a horrific campus but this one takes the cake.  Though this thread does highlight the positives of the campus (thus, great job!).

 

Ditto.  Visited that campus and the nearby town... definately below par for a State of Ohio University.  The photos make it look nice though :)

lol! i couldn't agree with you more. and frankly that new stuff like the student union doesnt do it any favors either.

 

the only nice looking buildings are the three original ones in the center of campus that were the initial normal college aka teacher's college. these date back to the turn of the century when the bgsu was founded (at the same time as its twin kent state).

 

just about everything that came after that is of a hideous 50's-60's-70's cheapskate style and will melt your eyes.

 

regardless, despite losing so many points for architecture, its still the best of the big ohio state colleges. it's vast majority female, removed from city distractions, not too big (osu), nor faux hoity toidy (miami), not too overtly party hearty (ou), not too commuter (ksu), etc. -- it's just right. most of all its not ut...or are they tu again this year? heh.

 

damnit.  If I could find a way to move that thinking man sculpture into my house!  Man I love that!!

its still the best of the big ohio state colleges.

 

Ehhh.. go private, that's the way to go.

 

 

Didn't they want to close the university at one point and turn it into a penitentiary?  No joke..

ng that came after that is of a hideous 50's-60's-70's cheapskate style and will melt your eyes.

 

regardless, despite losing so many points for architecture, its still the best of the big ohio state colleges. it's vast majority female, removed from city distractions, not too big (osu), nor faux hoity toidy (miami), not too overtly party hearty (ou), not too commuter (ksu), etc. -- it's just right. most of all its not ut...or are they tu again this year? heh.

 

 

I was with you until that.  Honestly, I'd shoot myself if I went there.  The cornfields, the isolation, the lack of good barbeque, the lack of black folks (let's keep it real...), and a real bore.  Granted, I agree with you if one is looking for the quiet life (with the occasional party) without the 'big city' stuff and no faux-rich Vermont kids, then BG is for you.  But I'm ColDayMan; I don't "do" north of Kewpee's Burgers.

^I dont think OSU is too big.....it has never felt big to me.  I dunno, maybe I am used to it.  It feels small because all of your classes are on the main area of campus and its about a 10-15 minute walk from south campus to north.  Now if youre an ag. student, then you have to go a ways to classes.....

Though this thread does highlight the positives of the campus (thus, great job!).

 

Gee, thanks.

 

Actually, I believe that the "powers that be" at BGSU have been told that their campus lacks a certain, well, integrity of design.  The relatively-new BGSU Campus Master Plan lists its number one planning principle as "Be Distinctive, Be Attractive" -- leading off with the need to "...develop a more consistent character for the campus."

 

The Master Plan is at: http://www.bgsu.edu/offices/architect/masterplan/index.htm

 

I spent two years at BGSU after a year at OSU in Cols... and really enjoyed it.  Bowling Green is a good college town -- small enough to be friendly and walkable, but large enough for a B-Dubs and Panera Bread.

A thinker statue at BGSU? That's oxymoronic.

I remember when I was pressured by a UW dean to go a UW branch and he tried to convince me by showing me their on-campus micro-brewery. Surprised BG hasn't caught on. I like their student union building though.

Well, when I graduated from Akron, it would have probably taken the cake for having the least inspiring architecture.  Since then, the "New Landscape for Learning" has completely changed that.  Hope to make it back to Akron sometime this fall and put up a post on UA.  Oh, and rumor has it there will be an "Official" announcement about the new Football Stadium Aug. 1st.  :clap:  If the buzz is correct, it should be a nicely done stadium right next to the new athletics fieldhouse!

 

Go Zips!

Though this thread does highlight the positives of the campus (thus, great job!).

 

Gee, thanks.

 

Actually, I believe that the "powers that be" at BGSU have been told that their campus lacks a certain, well, integrity of design.  The relatively-new BGSU Campus Master Plan lists its number one planning principle as "Be Distinctive, Be Attractive" -- leading off with the need to "...develop a more consistent character for the campus."

 

The Master Plan is at: http://www.bgsu.edu/offices/architect/masterplan/index.htm

 

I spent two years at BGSU after a year at OSU in Cols... and really enjoyed it.  Bowling Green is a good college town -- small enough to be friendly and walkable, but large enough for a B-Dubs and Panera Bread.

 

The Master Plan looks good and it's good to know the "powers that be" are going to enhance the architectural beauty of the campus.  Again, wonderful photos (the Thinker looks interesting).

Geez, nearly 20 replies and no comment from C-dawg on BG women, parties, and STD's. 

 

How disappointing  :roll:

If he starts, I'll come over there and strangle him with Toledo Zoo christmas lights!

ng that came after that is of a hideous 50's-60's-70's cheapskate style and will melt your eyes.

 

regardless, despite losing so many points for architecture, its still the best of the big ohio state colleges. it's vast majority female, removed from city distractions, not too big (osu), nor faux hoity toidy (miami), not too overtly party hearty (ou), not too commuter (ksu), etc. -- it's just right. most of all its not ut...or are they tu again this year? heh.

 

 

I was with you until that.  Honestly, I'd shoot myself if I went there.  The cornfields, the isolation, the lack of good barbeque, the lack of black folks (let's keep it real...), and a real bore.  Granted, I agree with you if one is looking for the quiet life (with the occasional party) without the 'big city' stuff and no faux-rich Vermont kids, then BG is for you.  But I'm ColDayMan; I don't "do" north of Kewpee's Burgers.

 

geezus tell me about it, i had to be creative, our porch bbq never cut it, but our farm bbq ruled one time -- we had a nyc student greek chef dress and grill a damn pig and a goat in a covered pit all nite, now that was tasty and a hell of a party.

 

speaking of creative, i did get to mix with the peoples quite a bit by working my co-op job in toledo, hanging out there and even living up there awhile too.

 

no its not for everybody, but overall i have to say its good for citykids to get out and experience some rural collegetown lifestyle and vice versa for the farmkids.

 

ks -- as for private colleges, not that i could of ever done that, but oh hell no. except for a very few schools that is so over-rated. i would give up social/business connections for the larger mostly female bg student population anyday....think about it!

 

Everyone but Miami and OU has a hideous campus.

 

Have you ever been to UC? Because I think Peter Eisenman, Frank Gehry and Michael Graves would disagree with you.

What you call destroyed, everyone else is calling creative destruction. UCs buildings lack consistency but so do downtown skyscrapers. Hell subdivisions are the epitome of consistency. There are tons of nightlife spots around UC's campus; Arnolds, Martino's, Holy Grail, The Mad Frog, Mac's, Woody's, Catskellar, Stratford Bar, not to mention free shuttle buses that take you to main street, Mt. Adams and Newport. There's way more to do than you'll ever have time for anyway.

You assclown. People go to UC knowing the social environment. Some people care more about their education than public debauchary or punching holes in the walls of frat houses. There shouldn't be such a thing as a 24/7 school when most of the students have these things, called, umm, classes that they're supposed to show up to in the mornings.

this is from 2005, but bgsu seems to be getting at least a bit better in diversity:

 

 

  BGSU enrollment reaches record heights

 

 

BOWLING GREEN, O.—Bowling Green State University has reached a record high enrollment this fall, attaining institutional goals of increasing the number of students of color, out-of-state students and students with ACT scores of 30 or higher in the freshman class.

 

Contributing to the highest-ever total enrollment of 21,071—up by 96 students from a year ago—has been the return of 79.1 percent of last fall’s record-setting class of first-year students. The retention rate has climbed from 77.9 percent last year and 74 percent in 2003.

 

“We believe that our first-year programs, new scholarships, improved advising and outreach are large factors in this increase,” said Dr. Alberto Gonzalez, vice provost for academic services at BGSU.

 

This fall, 18,392 students are studying on Bowling Green’s main campus and abroad, up by 23 students from 2004, and 2,055 students are enrolled at BGSU Firelands, a 69-student increase. Those numbers are the largest main and Firelands campus enrollments in University history. The remaining 624 students are classified as extension students.

 

First-year students at BGSU number 4,329, the third most in University history. The class includes 3,654 freshmen and 675 transfer students. Records for first-year students, including transfers, (4,627) and freshmen (3,929) were both set last fall.

 

Bowling Green is a more ethnically diverse institution than ever, with 699 students of color, or 19.1 percent of this fall’s freshmen. The number of African-American students has doubled in three years, reaching a record 444, and the Hispanic student population is also at a new high of 156.

 

Students from outside Ohio have enrolled in record numbers as well. Among the 487 out-of-state students—representing 13.3 percent of the freshman population—are 235 students from Michigan.

 

BGSU has seen 40 percent increases in enrollment of Michigan students each of the last two years, fueled by a tuition program that enables such students to pay only 50 percent of the usual out-of-state surcharge if they have a high school grade point average of at least 3.0 and an ACT score of 21 or higher.

 

At 182, the number of new students with ACT scores of at least 30 is also a record. The highest possible score on the college entrance exam is 36.

 

“These increases reflect the priorities stated in our 2002 Enrollment Plan,” Gonzalez said. “We wanted more diversity, more quality and greater access for low-income students.”

 

He added that the Enrollment Plan has been updated for 2005. “Access is still a front-burner issue, and now we also want to focus on non-traditional student and international student enrollment.”

(Posted September 07, 2005 )

 

 

Geez, nearly 20 replies and no comment from C-dawg on BG women, parties, and STD's. 

 

How disappointing  :roll:

 

Well, he's here.  You got your wish.

 

Everyone but Miami and OU has a hideous campus. Wright State hands down takes the cake and can easily claim it's Ohio's most lifeless school. Unlike most of Ohio's state schools, BG stays alive year-round and hardly has any commuters.

 

A). UC and OSU are not "hideous" campuses.  I haven't toured Kent State's campus extensively but it wasn't that bad either.  Wright State IS bad but that is in a suburban-oriented area, while Bowling Green is the actual university for the TOWN.  Thus, that makes it even worse than Wright State (which atleast KNOWS it's ugly).

 

B). That last part is bs.  I was there last summer and it was as dead as downtown Columbus at 7pm.

 

14,000 students enroll in summer classes there. BG is famous for its downtown/nightlife district, not the campus. The downtown is awesome and larger than Oxford or Athens, with more retail/variety and a very good mix of bars and clubs for specific tastes.

 

It's downtown certainly feels smaller than Athens and Oxford is just weird.  It's downtown nightlife wasn't really anything to write home about in 2004.

 

It's similar to Athens and Oxford. If you don't like college towns, you won't like Bowling Green. It fits all the stereotypes except without as much wealth. It's a poor man's OU or Miami, but that also means cheaper rent.

 

I like Athens (as it really isn't in the "cornfields," though I'm sure they have some in those watersheds) and Oxford is decent (though again, isolated, though not nearly as isolated as Bowling Green).  The former two atleast have seeming variety, while Bowling Green seems a bit...well...generic.  Not to diss the town, but it was like Greenville with a university.

 

It's a classic college town with a very ornate downtown (the most ornate of any Ohio state school), and the nightlife has been exploding there.

 

Oh hell no.  Ornate?  VERY ornate?  It was nice but I wouldn't call it "ornate" except for that one block of buildings at the intersection of those two "big" streets.

 

Of course I've been to UC. They've killed half the nightlife there and while the campus has density, it lacks consistency. UC 1990's: pretty cool. UC today: eh...

 

2000 UC definately beats 1990's UC.

 

^you can have design consistency and be beautiful (Oxford, Athens). That's how the pretty campuses stay that way. The best campuses have consistency like OU and Miami do.

 

Some would argue that Miami's campus is quite boring and that the randomness of UC's architecture is what makes the school "beautiful."  Perhaps the same could be said for Ohio State (sans Drees Labs!).

 

Bowling Green is a more ethnically diverse institution than ever, with 699 students of color, or 19.1 percent of this fall’s freshmen. The number of African-American students has doubled in three years, reaching a record 444, and the Hispanic student population is also at a new high of 156.

 

Well, I guess Central State ain't doin' too hot! ;)

In the end.. who cares.. as long as you enjoy your college experience and earn a degree that allows you to pursue what you want to do with your life.. that's all that matters.. leave the college rivalries to sports.. not architecture.

You're wrong!  Go Shawnee State!

uuuhhh, C-Dawg, youre the first person I have ever heard say that osu's campus is "hideous".  In fact, its quite beautiful around the oval, south oval, mirror lake, etc.  I love osu's campus....a lot of awesome buildings.  Some parts of it are hideous(Lincoln and Morrill Towers) but OSU's campus is anything but hideous.  And UC's campus is the most interesting urban campus I have ever seen. 

uuuhhh, C-Dawg, youre the first person I have ever heard say that osu's campus is "hideous".  In fact, its quite beautiful around the oval, south oval, mirror lake, etc.  I love osu's campus....a lot of awesome buildings.  Some parts of it are hideous(Lincoln and Morrill Towers) but OSU's campus is anything but hideous.  And UC's campus is the most interesting urban campus I have ever seen. 

 

I agree. Considering the sheer size of OSU and the mediocrity of many of its buildings, the campus is beautifully landscaped and is well integrated into the community at large. I think the original designer(s) of OSU (1870?) did a brilliant job in configuring what would become the central part of campus radiating out from the Oval and main library. Possibly the fact that OSU has an excellent program in landscape architecture has contributed to the continued maintenance and expansion of this legacy.

For comparison, OSU is only 7-8% black on the main campus. OU and Miami are even less than that. In a state that's 85% white, a school that has 19% minority is doing good. BGSU is getting more diverse than the others.

 

Just because only 7-8% of OSU students are African American, that does not mean the school is 90+% Caucasian.  Have you ever been to OSU and see the size of the Asian student population?

I thought OSU had more like 10-12 percent black people. UC is like 15-17 percent I believe. Theres not so many Asians and Indians but then again Cincinnati isn't known as much for its Engineering programs lol.

 

Bowling Green is a more ethnically diverse institution than ever, with 699 students of color, or 19.1 percent of this falls freshmen. The number of African-American students has doubled in three years, reaching a record 444, and the Hispanic student population is also at a new high of 156.

 

Well, I guess Central State ain't doin' too hot! ;)

 

yeah no busting out any bgsu diversity party champagne bottles yet. the hennessy remains on the shelf!  :laugh:

 

just for fun i googled some central state info -- hey look its bgsu in opposite world - lol!:

 

Total enrollment: 1,400 In-state: 1,104 Full-time undergraduates (men/women): 560/642 Part-time undergraduates (men/women): 51/67 Graduate students (men/women): 28/52 Ethnic/racial makeup: African American, 1,244; Caucasian, 30; Hispanic, 0; Native American, 3; International, 8; Other/Unclassified, 112

 

Hell OSU has been bleeding black students since the mid 80s.  At that time it was the most friendly campus - nor was its residents.

^that's not really diverse at all, just one substantial group.

 

i didnt say or imply central state was diverse. he mentioned it so i just took a look.

 

beegee seems to be changing, but it is hardly a model of diversity. i would guess the bigger city based colleges do much better than that. somebody else can look those up - lol!!!

I think the whole "look at us we're diverse!" thing is over rated. From going to UC I've learned that the majority of races are very clique-ish. Blacks associate with Blacks, Whites associate with Whites, Indians associate with Indians, etc. And they all have their prejudices. Its good that minorities are getting a good education but as far as actual racial integration, I really don't see much of it. I remember when we got a huge influx of French students in my dorm and none of them really talked to me even when I tried to spark up a conversation. But they'd always hang out in large groups with each other. Whats the point in going to an American school if you're not going to communicate with the people and be a part of their culture for a while?!

^ sacre bleu thats funny because my friend met a french student at bgsu and married her and moved to france!

 

^I would say it is a model. The integration is outstanding, and clearly outdoes its couterparts in Athens and Oxford. Bowling Green has changed A LOT over the past couple years, and somehow is bucking the trend.

 

And at 19% minority, that's more diverse than the state of Ohio.

 

well thats not diverse at all where i come from. bg is very shocking for a lot of students at first, not just people of color. its very white, small town and rural. even tho i loved the place, i had trouble with that particular issue off and on the whole time i lived there. like i said, i await some big city state college diversity info, i bet they are more diverse than bg.

 

wait i just caught this -- you said above ut, bg's upstate rival, was 30% -- so there you go. i bet the other city schools are similar.

So basically, it's pretty funny that someone complaining about a lack African-American culture at BG went to OSU.

 

Seeing how there IS a large African-American population around OSU, one can assume that OSU has a larger African-American culture visibly and socially than OU/BGSU/Miami.

 

well thats not diverse at all where i come from.

 

This is Ohio. There is hardly any diversity. The state is 11% black and 2% Hispanic.

 

 

huh? err, i come from ohio. the state as a whole is not the same as individual places. how ridiculous. i wasnt referring to where i live now.

 

but anyhoo thx for the other college stats (although you took broad liberties on your opinions of the makeup of ut's diversity w/o any actual stats proof).

 

^I took them from a register-only database which I can't link to on urbanohio. If you want to look them up, you can google. If you're registered on USN&WR, you can find them as well for $14.95.

 

so if you have that info available it should be quite easy for you put up the ut diversity stats instead of just presenting an opinion about them as fact. please do.

 

 

This excel spreadsheet is probably the best source for undergraduate diversity statistics for all Ohio colleges.  They are the 2006 stats from the Ohio Board of Regents.

 

Undergrad Head Count

American Indian or Alaskan Native%

Asian or Pacific Islander%

Black%

Hispanic%

White%

Non- resident Alien%

Race Unknown%

Central State 1,611<1%<1%86%<1%1%<1%11%

Cleveland State 9,587<1%3%20%3%61%2%10%

University of Cincinnat19,396<1%3%14%2%75%1%5%

University of Toledo16,115<1%2%13%3%75%<1%6%

Wright State 12,256<1%2%12%1%77%1%6%

Youngstown State 11,700<1%<1%12%2%77%<1%7%

University of Akron17,698<1%2%15%1%78%<1%3%

Ohio State University38,044<1%5%8%3%79%3%2%

Bowling Green16,091<1%<1%8%3%84%1%3%

Kent State 18,772<1%1%8%1%85%1%3%

Shawnee State 3,852<1%<1%3%<1%85%<1%9%

Miami University14,920<1%3%3%2%86%<1%5%

Ohio University17,207<1%<1%4%1%87%1%5%

Univ. Main Campuses Total197,249<1%2%10%2%79%2%5%

 

• The openness of higher education institutions to people of all racial and ethnic groups can be roughly measured by comparing the representation of each racial/ethnic group in the overall college-age population to its representation in higher education.

• Ohio’s undergraduate student population has roughly the same racial and ethnic composition as Ohio’s college-age population.

• Twelve percent of Ohio’s undergraduates are Black/non-Hispanic, the same as the Black/non-Hispanic share of Ohio’s overall college-age population. Likewise, 2% of undergraduates are Hispanic and 2% are Asian or Pacific Islanders, nearly identical to their respective shares of Ohio’s overall college-age population.

• White/non-Hispanics represent a slightly smaller share of Ohio’s undergraduate enrollment compared to Ohio’s college-age population as a whole, at 77% compared to 82%. However, some of this gap may be attributable to a large number of undergraduates whose race is reported as “other” or “unknown” for IPEDS reporting purposes.

• Nationally, Asian and Pacific Islanders’ representation in higher education (6%) exceeds their share of the college-age population as a whole (5%).

• For comparison purposes, data on the college-age population and undergraduate student population for the United States are provided. Nationally, the representation of the White/non-Hispanic, Black/non-Hispanic, and Hispanic populations in higher education is slightly below the corresponding shares of the college-age population as a whole. Again, some of the variation may be due to reporting differences between IPEDS and the U.S. Census Bureau.

By those numbers, Toledo and UC are nearly identical with diversity. Both are 75% white and have similar balances of Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and yes, even C-Dawg's favorite..."others".

^sorry, Arabs and Persians are "white," and Toledo is loaded with them. Almost every Muslim on campus is considered "white" too. The Arab student Union at UT numbers in the 100's and so do the Muslim organizations. All the largest Middle Eastern organizations are at Toledo. .

 

are you smoking crack?  How can you speak for an entire group?

 

My X's family is arab/middle eastern and do not consider themselves white in any form fashion or shape nor do the people that they associate with.  That statement is soooooooooo far from the truth and could be considered offensive.

Seeing how there IS a large African-American population around OSU, one can assume that OSU has a larger African-American culture visibly and socially than OU/BGSU/Miami.

 

It does, but the school is not the reason, and OSU needs to stop bleeding African-Americans, because it's turning into OU and Miami. Ohio is doing a terrible job educating its native minorities. The apartheid continues.

 

Okay, that's just so ridiculous, I don't even know how to respond to that.

Seeing how there IS a large African-American population around OSU, one can assume that OSU has a larger African-American culture visibly and socially than OU/BGSU/Miami.

 

It does, but the school is not the reason, and OSU needs to stop bleeding African-Americans, because it's turning into OU and Miami. Ohio is doing a terrible job educating its native minorities. The apartheid continues.

 

Ummm.. schools cannot force people to go to their school.. if African American students decide they do not want to attend Ohio State or where ever.. that's their choice..

 

We don't see a huge uproar because Caucasian students aren't flooding Central State (HBC)

are you smoking crack?  How can you speak for an entire group?

 

My X's family is arab/middle eastern and do not consider themselves white in any form fashion or shape nor do the people that they associate with.  That statement is soooooooooo far from the truth and could be considered offensive.

 

You obviously don't understand how racial data is collected. By CENSUS DEFINITION, Arabs and Persians are White/Caucasian.

 

My mom's Arab, so don't even get me started on the offensive crap. What's offensive is that our government lumps all Arabs and Persians into the white category.

 

That doesn't not mean that the school collects data in that same manner!

^ Really.. please show me..

I think I'm with C-dawg here.  I would imagine that for federal reporting purposes, colleges and universities have to use standardized data choices.  Knowing the federal government, they probably consider the Census Bureau as their standard for demographic data collection, and require schools to offer the same choices that the census does.  That wouldn't stop schools from collecting more detailed information, but what gets reported is probably pretty standardized.  I don't know for sure, but that would be my guess.

 

EDIT:  I guess it is the Office of Management and Budget that sets the standard for federal agencies for collecting race information.

census is still a self-identify last time i checked.

 

so if you have that info available it should be quite easy for you put up the ut diversity stats instead of just presenting an opinion about them as fact. please do.

 

I'm sorry, but there are no real stats on Arabs, Persians, and Muslims at schools in Ohio. They are "white." You can only look at the student unions and orgnazitions. That clearly puts Toledo in the lead.

 

 

...no it does not clearly show anything and so therefore you cannot make the statements you are making. what i dont understand is how you can boldface state your opinions as facts. you have shown no proof of that.

 

a student club at ut does not make your opinion any more valid -- btw cleveland state and osu have multiple clubs of interest to arabic people, so by your opinion on that they would have more arabic people than ut right? see how ridiculous? who knows? club interest is not numbers.

 

thx to dfly we have some info (you said above you have stat sources -- i dk why you dont choose to use them)  -- so anyway here are what the numbers we do have show:

 

cleveland state appears the most diverse (38% total non-white).

 

univ of cinci (25%), univ of toledo(24%), wright state(21%), youngstown state(21%) & univ of akron(21%) and osu (21%)appear about equally diverse and within the "second pack" behind csu.

 

the rest listed are jumbled in a "third pack" group.

 

c-dawg i dont have any issue with your opinions as long as they are clearly stated as such. unfortunately you often try to pass off your opinions as unsubstantiated fact.