The common term for over-cooked is "cooked hard".  I have heard "wet" also.  The opposite of wet, of course, is sauce on the side.  Some people want the sauce mixed, and it's common to have people split an order of 12 wings between two types of sauce.  I went to BW3's last week for the first time in years and saw that they now let you order a precise number of wings.  Like if you want 14 wings, they will give you exactly 14 wings.  Since you're all wondering, I had 6. 

 

I remember how phone quality suffered the instant that car phones and cordless home phones appeared.  A common cell phone today, 20~ years later, is hardly better than those.  A lot of old land lines with chords had fantastic sound quality by comparison.  My company recently got a new phone system and the sound quality went way down.  The main feature of the new system is that after calling someone else's desk, if they don't pick up, it goes to their cell phone.  So I guess we dropped $50k or whatever to make that happen. 

 

At the other extreme, we were starting out a new cook on wing night years back, and I had to say something to him about "sushi wings".  Fortunately it was my order and not a random customer's.

They should just call boneless "wings" what they are — chicken nuggets (or perhaps "chicken tenders"). Maybe they think that sounds too juvenile, but with the rising popularity of "tater tots" in recent years at gastropubs, I wouldn't be surprised if nuggets would also take off.

I think that tater tots unexpectedly took off in restaurants of late because of some sort of nostalgia factor, but I don't think the consumers realize that they're significantly less expensive to store, prep, and might even cook faster than fries.  So restaurants are probably charging a similar amount for tots that they were getting for fries (or cheese fries or cheese + bacon fries) but with 2X~ the profit. 

 

 

I used to be a Service Manager at Donatos (the one in the Short North). Although we were known for pizza, we sold a sh!t ton of wings. Especially on game days. I've heard every nick-name for chicken, from customers. Wing-dings, drummies, flats, flappers, etc... Then of course you have wet wings, dry wings, etc. I'm sure I'm missing a lot more wing lingo. I hated the customers that wanted their wings "ran through 4x." They literally wanted them burned to a crisp. At that point, there's no juiciness to the wings what-so-ever. I never understood why anyone would want their wings burned so badly but it was really common. Customers would call you out if you only ran the wings through the oven 3x (which means they were cooked 25 f-ing minutes!)

 

 

That's someone that doesn't like chicken but needs a vehicle to get sauce. People get so crazy about sauces that they don't even care what they're eating. They could save a lot of money by only eating crackers doused in sauce. A lot of them wouldn't even notice. They could rotate in a protein shake once every 3 days or so to keep from turning into bags.

I think most restaurant's wings are gross because the skin is slimy. I like wings to be crispy.

There's also the difference between oven wings and deep fried wings. I prefer deep fried wings since they are crispier and offer more resistance, but you gotta watch pizza places that don't have a deep fryer. 4X is absurd for oven wings since it's too long. That could also be symptom of someone who wants deep-fried wings but is forced to order from Donato's since other people with them want their pizza.

^ I agree completely about fried wings. That is by far the best way to cook a wing.

 

There are a few places in Cincinnati that smoke or grill wings, and they are also quite good. Whenever I cook wings at home I do it low and smokey on the grill. I marinate them in super spicy oil first so they don't need sauce, which I think actually makes them healthy to some extent. Normal fried wings, aside from being fried in oil, have buffalo sauce that is usually about 50% melted butter. Grilling them gets rid of a lot of those calories, but it is an entirely different flavor.

The sauce observation is spot-on.  When I was in college I became addicted to the sauce as a Japanese take-out place called Kyoto Express.  I tricked myself into thinking I was eating healthy food, which I might have been, but it was drenched in tangy sauce that was essentially what any proud Southerner does to every single meal they consume, except what's under the sauce definitely isn't healthy either. 

 

My grandfather claimed that he an a cousin chopped the heads off and boiled no less than 250 chickens one day in the mid-1930s.  If he was still alive I could ask him what they did with the wings, because wings were famously thrown out for so many years until bars started offering them as free food back in the 60s or 70s. 

^ I agree completely about fried wings. That is by far the best way to cook a wing.

 

There are a few places in Cincinnati that smoke or grill wings, and they are also quite good. Whenever I cook wings at home I do it low and smokey on the grill. I marinate them in super spicy oil first so they don't need sauce, which I think actually makes them healthy to some extent. Normal fried wings, aside from being fried in oil, have buffalo sauce that is usually about 50% melted butter. Grilling them gets rid of a lot of those calories, but it is an entirely different flavor.

 

The barbecue joint I go to in Cleveland started offering grilled wings with their barbecue sauce grilled on. Not wet, but still has the flavor. They are amazing, and it's the only way I like my wings now. I'm fickle, so that will change eventually, but for now, BBQ or death!!

If he was still alive I could ask him what they did with the wings, because wings were famously thrown out for so many years until bars started offering them as free food back in the 60s or 70s. 

 

Are you serious?! Dude, when I did the purchase orders for my store, chicken wings were the most expensive food item by weight. Chicken wings are ridiculously expensive. Even more expensive than provolone cheese. As big of a company as Donatos is, each 40 pound case of chicken wings costed  us well over $100. I'm just saying "well over' because the prices for chicken wings would literally fluctuate like gasoline.

 

They were also by far the biggest source of 'food waste'. After plugging in weekly inventory counts, I'd usually be missing about a case or case and a half of wings each week. Sometimes it was due to messed up orders but most of the time it was employee theft. Almost all of the food loss came from chicken wings. I can't believe wings used to be thrown out or given away free. That's fascinating.

 

Its weird to me that chicken wings are so expensive. If you think about it, you're really not getting that much meat for what you're paying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_wing

 

There was a history of free bar food in bars before prohibition and you still see it occasionally, with bars giving away popcorn, pretzels, chips, etc.  Wings presented a definite upgrade, and I suppose were so cheap back in the 60s that they could be given away for free. 

 

In the 90s the BW3's across the street from Bogart's had 10-cent wing night on Tuesdays which grew to around 20 or 25-cent wings at some point.  Nevertheless it drew massive crowds and turned into a weekly street party in the summer, with hardly anyone actually setting foot in the restaurant.  Given the $1+ cost of wings today, imagine the chaos a 10-cent event would motivate! 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, my dad and grandma always mention how wings used to be totally worthless back in the day and that they were good for preparing chicken stock and not much else. I don't ever buy wings when I go out because they're so damn expensive now. Occasionally I'll fry some up at home but even those aren't cheap.

If you want the best wings you'll ever have... brine, smoke, fry, toss in that order and don't forget to thank me  8-)

Here’s one:  with the exception of pizza, does anyone actually order anything by phone calling anymore? 

 

I try to avoid it like plague and use #welcometothe90s when I encounter it as the only option.

I HATE ordering stuff on the phone. I will drive to a lunch place and sit there and wait for my order before calling it in in advance.

^That's weird. Must have a lot of time on your hands to do that.

I wonder when working out became such a major part of one's daily life. There is no way people in the 1950s and 60s were as dedicated to the gym as today. And those niche places for yoga, crossfit, cycling, etc, are popping up everywhere. Is it a multi-decade fad? Something to do with the lack of physical labor manufacturing jobs (people have to burn calories somewhere)? Some kind of response to food getting so unhealthy and obesity rates so high the last few decades?

Real farming was over by the 1960s.  Its demise was humiliating to those who were really good at it.  People can believe that they're a hardcore fitness figure all they want, but the truth is that they're pretty weak compared to real farmers and real soldiers of the earlier eras.  The problem with those guys is that they assumed that the extreme levels of fitness that they achieved as young men were sustainable without continuing to exercise. 

 

 

I def. think it's the lack of physical labor jobs and portion sizes steadily increasing since the 50s. When you add more sedentary workers and bigger portions, you get America's obesity epidemic.

I don't think gyms are a fad at all. Most people have very sedentary jobs and with most Americans living auto-dependent lifestyles, they get in shockingly few steps in an average day. So if you actually care about being somewhat in shape, you go to the gym. Now, the more specialized places come and go all the time. In the past it was Jazzercise, today it's yoga and crossfit.

 

I do think that the lack of walking in a typical American's day has a huge negative impact on their health. I am always surprised when I go to other countries and see 80 year old women walking around town, having no problem going up and down steps, carrying around shopping bags, etc. It's because they have done that on a daily basis for their entire life.

 

I def. think it's the lack of physical labor jobs and portion sizes steadily increasing since the 50s. When you add more sedentary workers and bigger portions, you get America's obesity epidemic.

 

All true, and factor in the increase of obesity among boys. 

 

People talk about "childhood obesity", but it's doesn't seem so prevalent among girls, perhaps because there's still a social stigma of sorts associated with it. There's little if any left for boys, but more to the point they aren't nearly as physically active. 

 

I think a huge part of that is the de-emphasis of competition as a part of physical education.  Boys are naturally competitive, and refocusing physical education on non-competitive activities has made it boring for them, much like reading classes would be if only books targeted towards girls were used.  Meanwhile, video games came along, providing the competition with less risk of injury and less need for associated activities such as travel and setting up.

I don't know what little kids you're looking at but at my son's elementary school, it's definitely the girls as well.

I don't know what little kids you're looking at but at my son's elementary school, it's definitely the girls as well.

 

Sad to hear, I wonder if the "fat acceptance" move is having an impact there.

 

Around the Nordonia area, it seems more prevalent with boys.

There has to be a healthy in-between from starvation and fat-shaming (the 70s/my childhood) to "be however you want, it's ok," which I don't think is healthy when someone is suffering health-wise from their weight. People were big into appetite suppressants in the 70s. Moms all took dexedrine and stuff. In the 80s, a lot of people did coke and being thin was in. I think it all sort of started unraveling after that and has perhaps spun too far in the "be however you want" direction, and has to be moderated with some lifestyle and food changes. It's started, with less "super sizing" of stuff and smaller portions, but it will take awhile to come back to whatever moderation and the new middle is.

And there's the gap between cities, suburbs and rural areas. Obesity rates used to be the same between all three but now the rural areas average heaviest.

Crowbar...the fattest band of the 1990s:

 

This band is still playing...they played The Mad Frog in Cincinnati back in April or May but I forgot to go. 

Crowbar...the fattest band of the 1990s:

 

This band is still playing...they played The Mad Frog in Cincinnati back in April or May but I forgot to go. 

 

The drummer of course gets some exercise.

 

The best thing about B&B was always the video comments.  Sort of like Julie Brown, though her regular show was funnier.

HFCS and GMOs are taking their toll on not only obesity but weight...they're different, BTW. BMI has become a joke in part due to the ubiquity of weight-training in young males who care about health and image. "We" are much more likely to have more lean muscle mass than our predecessors albeit possbily covered by more adipose as well.

 

My wife is in healthcare. She says that there is an insiders view in healthcare that as long as there are smokers and obese individuals, the growth of health problems will not subside.

It is truly astounding to me how many NE Ohioans still smoke.

Blue-collar jobs and odd hours lead to more smoking and NE Ohio still has a lot of those... though obviously fewer than before.

Perhaps cold weather too

So what happened to this movie?  Emilio Estevez started shooting this movie in 2013 and put out a trailer, then they shut down production for a re-write, and then that was it. 

 

Hey would an "AMA restaurant server" thread be kosher in off topic.  I feel like dispelling many years of restaurant related stories and perspective here.

 

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Hey would an "AMA restaurant server" thread be kosher in off topic.  I feel like dispelling many years of restaurant related stories and perspective here.

 

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Please tell!

Hey would an "AMA restaurant server" thread be kosher in off topic.  I feel like dispelling many years of restaurant related stories and perspective here.

 

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Please tell!

 

I got in a mini-argument with Natalie Portman when I was waiting tables in 2002.  Told her she couldn't use the employee bathroom and she got pissed. 

 

 

Hey would an "AMA restaurant server" thread be kosher in off topic.  I feel like dispelling many years of restaurant related stories and perspective here.

 

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Please tell!

 

I got in a mini-argument with Natalie Portman when I was waiting tables in 2002.  Told her she couldn't use the employee bathroom and she got pissed. 

 

 

 

I would be down with participating in a restaurant IAMA. There is so much the public does not understand about going out to a restaurant. I could probably talk for an hour just about how seating works and why you can't just sit down just because there is an empty table.

^ but it's right there, just calling to me!!

Mayor Kirsten Holzheimer Gail did not call her State of the City Address "Here's Looking At Euclid".  #IStandCorrected

wiki is doing a wiki loves monuments campaign to improve their coverage of historic sights across the usa:

 

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2016_in_the_United_States

 

 

they are looking for missing ohio nrhp listed photos for ohio:

 

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2016_in_the_United_States/Ohio

The Illinois National Guard is going to Afghanistan this week, yet the governor says he won't put them on Chicago streets. F that guy.

Fried Chicken is my guilty pleasure.  I think I'm becoming addicted to KFC and Popeyes. I hate how Popeye s chicken is exclusively located in the ghetto and often times right next to KFC (at that point I can't decide between the two.)

There's a Popeye's in Canal Winchester now.

Fried Chicken is my guilty pleasure.  I think I'm becoming addicted to KFC and Popeyes. I hate how Popeye s chicken is exclusively located in the ghetto and often times right next to KFC (at that point I can't decide between the two.)

 

There's a Popeye's in Macedonia, right where the Akron and Cleveland sprawl come together, and it's tough to find a KFC.  Which is fine by me because Popeye's is way better.

 

Believe it or not they are all over Turkey and the Middle East.

What else is there to eat all day without getting fat and spending a lot of money? I'm always hungry and have been consuming salt free nuts and sugar free gum for years, but there have got to be healthy (or at least not unhealthy) and cheap alternatives.

Fried Chicken is my guilty pleasure.  I think I'm becoming addicted to KFC and Popeyes. I hate how Popeye s chicken is exclusively located in the ghetto and often times right next to KFC (at that point I can't decide between the two.)

 

Two words: Richie's Chicken. If your profile is right that you're at UC, there's one about 5 minutes away on the corner of Vine and Woolper. I try to limit myself to once a month, at most, but it's tough. It blows the chains out of the water (especially the spicy version, which actually has a bit of a kick to it compared to Popeyes, which doesn't even register on the spicy scale for me). It's all my family ever wants to eat when they come to visit me.

Wow. Really? My friend Juan said KFC is in Ecuador and they have rice and beans as a side, lol. I think in Japan they have Teriyaki chicken. I didn't know Popeyes was global though. I wonder if their sides are different.

 

I wish there was a Popeyes in Canal when I lived there.

nuts are one of the healthiest things you can eat--

 

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/30/nuts-are-a-nutritional-powerhouse-for-rich-and-poor/?_r=0

They really are....but my god they get old pretty quickly too. And I'm trying to stay from sodium so I get the bland kind.

 

There must be something else out there. Veggies chips? Raisins and prunes? Kaleballs?

 

Maybe I'll try baby carrots. I feel a package could last a week.

^ I eat celery, baby carrots, and cucumber all day long. Baby carrots are the easiest/quickest because you don't have to rinse or chop or peel. I also like seaweed crisps/crackers/sheets/whatever that you find at Asian food stores.