^

The 15th Amendment.

 

My point about the Civil Rights Act was a bit off topic.. that it wasn't Constitutional, rather the federal government acted on an issue that needed immediate resolution, and instead of taking the proper channels they abused the Interstate Commerce Clause.

^

The 15th Amendment.

 

Still not sure how you can possibly read the following language as defining someone by their race -

 

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

 

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

 

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree..........

 

My point about the Civil Rights Act was a bit off topic.. that it wasn't Constitutional, rather the federal government acted on an issue that needed immediate resolution, and instead of taking the proper channels they abused the Interstate Commerce Clause.

 

Don't open that can of worms.  For decades, people a lot smarter than you and me have been debating (to no end) the extent of Congress' authority under that clause, as well as the necessary and proper clause.

http://www.americanbyways.com

 

Quick! I have two Cincinnati-themed entries on the front page, and one that is close by :)

 

 

 

Holy sh!t ... Crazy!

 

More than 60 campers from Northeast Philadelphia were turned away from a private swim club and left to wonder if their race was the reason.

 

 

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pool-Boots-Kids-Who-Might-Change-the-Complexion.html

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Tyler Perry, the star, writer and producer of films such as "Madea Goes to Jail" and the television show "House of Payne," could be adding philanthropist to his growing list of credits. 

According to his publicist, Perry is sponsoring a Disney World trip for 65 Pennsylvania children at a largely minority day-care center after a swim club canceled pool privileges for the children.

 

"He wanted to do something nice for them and let them know that for every negative experience, there are people out there who want them to succeed regardless of the color of their skin," said Keleigh Thomas, Perry's publicist. She added the entertainer would be footing the bill for all transportation, hotel, admissions and food costs at the Florida theme park.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/07/20/tyler.perry.pool.children/[/url]

Gimme a break. So in total the club cancels 3 different day care contracts due to safety and overcrowding and the center that is majority black and hispanic decides to sue and go to the media while the other 2 dissapear quietly? I was a lifeguard for 3 years in the city i live in and i can tell you firsthand that nobody wanted to be in the pool when the day camps would come in. Adults and older kids would exit the pool and the pool area and then come back once the day camp left. It had nothing to do with color of skin (considering it was majority white) and everything due to there being way too many kids and them all being out of control.

Gimme a break. So in total the club cancels 3 different day care contracts due to safety and overcrowding and the center that is majority black and hispanic decides to sue and go to the media while the other 2 dissapear quietly? I was a lifeguard for 3 years in the city i live in and i can tell you firsthand that nobody wanted to be in the pool when the day camps would come in. Adults and older kids would exit the pool and the pool area and then come back once the day camp left. It had nothing to do with color of skin (considering it was majority white) and everything due to there being way too many kids and them all being out of control.

 

Then why didn't they say this from jump???  Why would kids make up things that the parents said???

 

This was racist & elitist.

I think what Tyler Perry did was cool, but it would've been even cooler if he did it quietly.

I think what Tyler Perry did was cool, but it would've been even cooler if he did it quietly.

 

No.  He was poor and homeless and can relate to those children.  Seeing where he came from to where he is now, could be a the spark those kids need to be the next Tyler Perry.

 

Now if he would have paraded them around on his studio with the Disney dream academy folks that would be a different thing.

Gimme a break. So in total the club cancels 3 different day care contracts due to safety and overcrowding and the center that is majority black and hispanic decides to sue and go to the media while the other 2 dissapear quietly? I was a lifeguard for 3 years in the city i live in and i can tell you firsthand that nobody wanted to be in the pool when the day camps would come in. Adults and older kids would exit the pool and the pool area and then come back once the day camp left. It had nothing to do with color of skin (considering it was majority white) and everything due to there being way too many kids and them all being out of control.

 

Then why didn't they say this from jump???  Why would kids make up things that the parents said???

 

This was racist & elitist.

 

If the people swimming in the pool made those remarks it is no different than people saying them in any public pool, setting, or anywhere else for that matter. It is racist and wrong and i dont agree with it in any way, but it is that specific individuals views and opinions and not those of the actual pool club. 

 

 

The issue was exacerbated when Duesler told two Philadelphia television stations the children had changed "the complexion" and "atmosphere" of the club. The comment brought protesters outside the facility.

 

 

I dont see anything wrong or racist with this quote made by Mr. Duesler though. The "complexion" and "atmosphere" of the pool changed drastically because 65(?) kids entered the pool and pool area that was mostly adults at the time, not because of the color of their skin or racial background.

Gimme a break. So in total the club cancels 3 different day care contracts due to safety and overcrowding and the center that is majority black and hispanic decides to sue and go to the media while the other 2 dissapear quietly? I was a lifeguard for 3 years in the city i live in and i can tell you firsthand that nobody wanted to be in the pool when the day camps would come in. Adults and older kids would exit the pool and the pool area and then come back once the day camp left. It had nothing to do with color of skin (considering it was majority white) and everything due to there being way too many kids and them all being out of control.

 

Then why didn't they say this from jump???  Why would kids make up things that the parents said???

 

This was racist & elitist.

 

If the people swimming in the pool made those remarks it is no different than people saying them in any public pool, setting, or anywhere else for that matter. It is racist and wrong and i dont agree with it in any way, but it is that specific individuals views and opinions and not those of the actual pool club. 

 

 

The issue was exacerbated when Duesler told two Philadelphia television stations the children had changed "the complexion" and "atmosphere" of the club. The comment brought protesters outside the facility.

 

 

I dont see anything wrong or racist with this quote made by Mr. Duesler though. The "complexion" and "atmosphere" of the pool changed drastically because 65(?) kids entered the pool and pool area that was mostly adults at the time, not because of the color of their skin or racial background.

 

Umm hello, those people are members of the club.  The club IS those people!

 

You don't see anything wrong with those words, in the scheme of things?  You gotta be shittin' me!!

 

We're not going to agree, those people are racist, there is no way to sugar coat it!  If I showed up there and jumped in the pool, they probably would have said the same damn thing and I'm probably in a higher tax bracket than the majority of the clubs members!!

I think it was important for Tyler Perry to do what he did publicly.  That is the best way to "pay it forward".  Others need to see good deeds.

 

On the other hand, there is more to the story, a number of members of that club are minorities.  I'm sure some of the members are racists, or bigots at the least, but they've had summer camp members before.

Gimme a break. So in total the club cancels 3 different day care contracts due to safety and overcrowding and the center that is majority black and hispanic decides to sue and go to the media while the other 2 dissapear quietly? I was a lifeguard for 3 years in the city i live in and i can tell you firsthand that nobody wanted to be in the pool when the day camps would come in. Adults and older kids would exit the pool and the pool area and then come back once the day camp left. It had nothing to do with color of skin (considering it was majority white) and everything due to there being way too many kids and them all being out of control.

 

Then why didn't they say this from jump??? Why would kids make up things that the parents said???

 

This was racist & elitist.

 

If the people swimming in the pool made those remarks it is no different than people saying them in any public pool, setting, or anywhere else for that matter. It is racist and wrong and i dont agree with it in any way, but it is that specific individuals views and opinions and not those of the actual pool club.

 

 

The issue was exacerbated when Duesler told two Philadelphia television stations the children had changed "the complexion" and "atmosphere" of the club. The comment brought protesters outside the facility.

 

 

I dont see anything wrong or racist with this quote made by Mr. Duesler though. The "complexion" and "atmosphere" of the pool changed drastically because 65(?) kids entered the pool and pool area that was mostly adults at the time, not because of the color of their skin or racial background.

 

Umm hello, those people are members of the club. The club IS those people!

 

You don't see anything wrong with those words, in the scheme of things? You gotta be sh!ttin' me!!

 

We're not going to agree, those people are racist, there is no way to sugar coat it! If I showed up there and jumped in the pool, they probably would have said the same damn thing and I'm probably in a higher tax bracket than the majority of the clubs members!!

 

No i do agree with you that the individuals who made those remarks are racists, and its a shame to see in 2009. But at the same time I dont think what the club did can be automatically labled as being racist. Hell if i was a member of a mostly adult club, or this particular pool in this case, and rushing in comes 65 screaming and yelling kids id be a little ticked off too if i knew nothing about it before, and probably would pack up and head home until they left (and im only 23).

And yeah, good for the kids for getting a free trip to Disney World, but i think thats going just a little too far with it.

Gimme a break. So in total the club cancels 3 different day care contracts due to safety and overcrowding and the center that is majority black and hispanic decides to sue and go to the media while the other 2 dissapear quietly? I was a lifeguard for 3 years in the city i live in and i can tell you firsthand that nobody wanted to be in the pool when the day camps would come in. Adults and older kids would exit the pool and the pool area and then come back once the day camp left. It had nothing to do with color of skin (considering it was majority white) and everything due to there being way too many kids and them all being out of control.

 

Then why didn't they say this from jump???  Why would kids make up things that the parents said???

 

This was racist & elitist.

 

If the people swimming in the pool made those remarks it is no different than people saying them in any public pool, setting, or anywhere else for that matter. It is racist and wrong and i dont agree with it in any way, but it is that specific individuals views and opinions and not those of the actual pool club. 

 

 

The issue was exacerbated when Duesler told two Philadelphia television stations the children had changed "the complexion" and "atmosphere" of the club. The comment brought protesters outside the facility.

 

 

I dont see anything wrong or racist with this quote made by Mr. Duesler though. The "complexion" and "atmosphere" of the pool changed drastically because 65(?) kids entered the pool and pool area that was mostly adults at the time, not because of the color of their skin or racial background.

 

Umm hello, those people are members of the club.  The club IS those people!

 

You don't see anything wrong with those words, in the scheme of things?  You gotta be sh!ttin' me!!

 

We're not going to agree, those people are racist, there is no way to sugar coat it!  If I showed up there and jumped in the pool, they probably would have said the same damn thing and I'm probably in a higher tax bracket than the majority of the clubs members!!

 

No i do agree with you that the individuals who made those remarks are racists, and its a shame to see in 2009. But at the same time I dont think what the club did can be automatically labled as being racist. Hell if i was a member of a mostly adult club, or this particular pool in this case, and rushing in comes 65 screaming and yelling kids id be a little ticked off too if i knew nothing about it before, and probably would pack up and head home until they left (and im only 23).

And yeah, good for the kids for getting a free trip to Disney World, but i think thats going just a little too far with it.

 

See that were this goes wrong.

 

• The club members were notified.  Do you think they could just do this and not notify paying members that their pool would be in use by another group?  Especially since the camp paid them.  They would have to be notified.
  
• The reports are the kids were not noisy or disruptive, so where did you get that information?  Granted, a large group of kids (regardless of race, religion, or financial status) coming in aren't going to be tipping in like church members.  This group was not a rowdy bunch of hooligans.
  

Gimme a break. So in total the club cancels 3 different day care contracts due to safety and overcrowding and the center that is majority black and hispanic decides to sue and go to the media while the other 2 dissapear quietly? I was a lifeguard for 3 years in the city i live in and i can tell you firsthand that nobody wanted to be in the pool when the day camps would come in. Adults and older kids would exit the pool and the pool area and then come back once the day camp left. It had nothing to do with color of skin (considering it was majority white) and everything due to there being way too many kids and them all being out of control.

 

Then why didn't they say this from jump???  Why would kids make up things that the parents said???

 

This was racist & elitist.

 

If the people swimming in the pool made those remarks it is no different than people saying them in any public pool, setting, or anywhere else for that matter. It is racist and wrong and i dont agree with it in any way, but it is that specific individuals views and opinions and not those of the actual pool club. 

 

 

The issue was exacerbated when Duesler told two Philadelphia television stations the children had changed "the complexion" and "atmosphere" of the club. The comment brought protesters outside the facility.

 

 

I dont see anything wrong or racist with this quote made by Mr. Duesler though. The "complexion" and "atmosphere" of the pool changed drastically because 65(?) kids entered the pool and pool area that was mostly adults at the time, not because of the color of their skin or racial background.

 

Umm hello, those people are members of the club.  The club IS those people!

 

You don't see anything wrong with those words, in the scheme of things?  You gotta be sh!ttin' me!!

 

We're not going to agree, those people are racist, there is no way to sugar coat it!  If I showed up there and jumped in the pool, they probably would have said the same damn thing and I'm probably in a higher tax bracket than the majority of the clubs members!!

 

No i do agree with you that the individuals who made those remarks are racists, and its a shame to see in 2009. But at the same time I dont think what the club did can be automatically labled as being racist. Hell if i was a member of a mostly adult club, or this particular pool in this case, and rushing in comes 65 screaming and yelling kids id be a little ticked off too if i knew nothing about it before, and probably would pack up and head home until they left (and im only 23).

And yeah, good for the kids for getting a free trip to Disney World, but i think thats going just a little too far with it.

 

See that were this goes wrong.

 

• The club members were notified.  Do you think they could just do this and not notify paying members that their pool would be in use by another group?  Especially since the camp paid them.  They would have to be notified.
  
• The reports are the kids were not noisy or disruptive, so where did you get that information?  Granted, a large group of kids (regardless of race, religion, or financial status) coming in aren't going to be tipping in like church members.  This group was not a rowdy bunch of hooligans.
  

 

From the article Swim Club Members: "Nothing to Do With Race" at http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Swim-Club-Members-Nothing-to-Do-With-Race.html :

This has nothing to do with race," member Lori Slowinski said. "I paid my money for a private swim club…if they're gonna have it out to camps, then I want my money back."

Members are angry the club, which is advertising open enrollment, inked deals with three camps to have campers come in and swim. They say members were not notified about allowing the camps to attend the club.

 

 

65 kids entering a public pool is nothing different, but 65 kids going into a private pool is going to disrupt the "norms" of the club to the members who are there, regardless of what race the kids are.

Gimme a break. So in total the club cancels 3 different day care contracts due to safety and overcrowding and the center that is majority black and hispanic decides to sue and go to the media while the other 2 dissapear quietly? I was a lifeguard for 3 years in the city i live in and i can tell you firsthand that nobody wanted to be in the pool when the day camps would come in. Adults and older kids would exit the pool and the pool area and then come back once the day camp left. It had nothing to do with color of skin (considering it was majority white) and everything due to there being way too many kids and them all being out of control.

 

Then why didn't they say this from jump???  Why would kids make up things that the parents said???

 

This was racist & elitist.

 

If the people swimming in the pool made those remarks it is no different than people saying them in any public pool, setting, or anywhere else for that matter. It is racist and wrong and i dont agree with it in any way, but it is that specific individuals views and opinions and not those of the actual pool club. 

 

 

The issue was exacerbated when Duesler told two Philadelphia television stations the children had changed "the complexion" and "atmosphere" of the club. The comment brought protesters outside the facility.

 

 

I dont see anything wrong or racist with this quote made by Mr. Duesler though. The "complexion" and "atmosphere" of the pool changed drastically because 65(?) kids entered the pool and pool area that was mostly adults at the time, not because of the color of their skin or racial background.

 

Umm hello, those people are members of the club.  The club IS those people!

 

You don't see anything wrong with those words, in the scheme of things?  You gotta be sh!ttin' me!!

 

We're not going to agree, those people are racist, there is no way to sugar coat it!  If I showed up there and jumped in the pool, they probably would have said the same damn thing and I'm probably in a higher tax bracket than the majority of the clubs members!!

 

No i do agree with you that the individuals who made those remarks are racists, and its a shame to see in 2009. But at the same time I dont think what the club did can be automatically labled as being racist. Hell if i was a member of a mostly adult club, or this particular pool in this case, and rushing in comes 65 screaming and yelling kids id be a little ticked off too if i knew nothing about it before, and probably would pack up and head home until they left (and im only 23).

And yeah, good for the kids for getting a free trip to Disney World, but i think thats going just a little too far with it.

 

See that were this goes wrong.

 

• The club members were notified.  Do you think they could just do this and not notify paying members that their pool would be in use by another group?  Especially since the camp paid them.  They would have to be notified.
  
• The reports are the kids were not noisy or disruptive, so where did you get that information?  Granted, a large group of kids (regardless of race, religion, or financial status) coming in aren't going to be tipping in like church members.  This group was not a rowdy bunch of hooligans.
  

 

From the article Swim Club Members: "Nothing to Do With Race" at http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Swim-Club-Members-Nothing-to-Do-With-Race.html :

This has nothing to do with race," member Lori Slowinski said. "I paid my money for a private swim club…if they're gonna have it out to camps, then I want my money back."

Members are angry the club, which is advertising open enrollment, inked deals with three camps to have campers come in and swim. They say members were not notified about allowing the camps to attend the club.

 

 

65 kids entering a public pool is nothing different, but 65 kids going into a private pool is going to disrupt the "norms" of the club to the members who are there, regardless of what race the kids are.

 

Do not insult my intelligence!  Was Lori at the pool at the time the children showed up?  They say they weren't notified, then the negligence lies on the administration of the club!  Sounds like they were trying to get as much money for the club, yet didn't think about the circumstances.

 

now...why would kids make up something like this?????

"I heard one lady saying 'Why's there so many black kids here' cause she said she was afraid that we might do something to her child," recalled camper Dymire Baylor. "How could they say that?"

 

This was a private pool, that camp had a contract with.  It's not like they just showed up.  The club told them to show up at that time/date!

Hi everybody!  This is my first (and possibly last) post in this thread.

 

I was channel surfing the other night and I happened to check out House Hunters on HGTV.  They were in Albuquerque, and I was hoping to get lucky and see some interesting neighborhoods.

 

Well, it was the typical suburban family.  They showed the first house, switched to a panoramic of the huge, empty, asphalt, cul-de-sac, and then switched back to the wife who commented on how much she loved the huge cul-de-sac.  I then had to turn the channel.  But I thought members here could appreciate my combined disgust and amusement.

Hi everybody!  This is my first (and possibly last) post in this thread.

 

I was channel surfing the other night and I happened to check out House Hunters on HGTV.  They were in Albuquerque, and I was hoping to get lucky and see some interesting neighborhoods.

 

Well, it was the typical suburban family.  They showed the first house, switched to a panoramic of the huge, empty, asphalt, cul-de-sac, and then switched back to the wife who commented on how much she loved the huge cul-de-sac.  I then had to turn the channel.  But I thought members here could appreciate my combined disgust and amusement.

 

I was disgusted when I read "Albuquerque" above!  Cul-de-sac, made me throw up in my mouth a lil' bit.

 

Some of those "house hunters" have no clue.  Call me a hypocrite, but I never can understand how first time home buyers or those who have financial constraints, with no children or other person who will live in the house with them, want to buy a house with more than four bedrooms?  Why do you need a house that big when you're starting out?  Especially these non energy efficient open concept craptastic mcmansions!  ugh!

Gimme a break. So in total the club cancels 3 different day care contracts due to safety and overcrowding and the center that is majority black and hispanic decides to sue and go to the media while the other 2 dissapear quietly? I was a lifeguard for 3 years in the city i live in and i can tell you firsthand that nobody wanted to be in the pool when the day camps would come in. Adults and older kids would exit the pool and the pool area and then come back once the day camp left. It had nothing to do with color of skin (considering it was majority white) and everything due to there being way too many kids and them all being out of control.

 

Then why didn't they say this from jump???  Why would kids make up things that the parents said???

 

This was racist & elitist.

 

If the people swimming in the pool made those remarks it is no different than people saying them in any public pool, setting, or anywhere else for that matter. It is racist and wrong and i dont agree with it in any way, but it is that specific individuals views and opinions and not those of the actual pool club. 

 

 

The issue was exacerbated when Duesler told two Philadelphia television stations the children had changed "the complexion" and "atmosphere" of the club. The comment brought protesters outside the facility.

 

 

I dont see anything wrong or racist with this quote made by Mr. Duesler though. The "complexion" and "atmosphere" of the pool changed drastically because 65(?) kids entered the pool and pool area that was mostly adults at the time, not because of the color of their skin or racial background.

 

Umm hello, those people are members of the club.  The club IS those people!

 

You don't see anything wrong with those words, in the scheme of things?  You gotta be sh!ttin' me!!

 

We're not going to agree, those people are racist, there is no way to sugar coat it!  If I showed up there and jumped in the pool, they probably would have said the same damn thing and I'm probably in a higher tax bracket than the majority of the clubs members!!

 

No i do agree with you that the individuals who made those remarks are racists, and its a shame to see in 2009. But at the same time I dont think what the club did can be automatically labled as being racist. Hell if i was a member of a mostly adult club, or this particular pool in this case, and rushing in comes 65 screaming and yelling kids id be a little ticked off too if i knew nothing about it before, and probably would pack up and head home until they left (and im only 23).

And yeah, good for the kids for getting a free trip to Disney World, but i think thats going just a little too far with it.

 

See that were this goes wrong.

 

• The club members were notified.  Do you think they could just do this and not notify paying members that their pool would be in use by another group?  Especially since the camp paid them.  They would have to be notified.
  
• The reports are the kids were not noisy or disruptive, so where did you get that information?  Granted, a large group of kids (regardless of race, religion, or financial status) coming in aren't going to be tipping in like church members.  This group was not a rowdy bunch of hooligans.
  

 

From the article Swim Club Members: "Nothing to Do With Race" at http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Swim-Club-Members-Nothing-to-Do-With-Race.html :

This has nothing to do with race," member Lori Slowinski said. "I paid my money for a private swim club…if they're gonna have it out to camps, then I want my money back."

Members are angry the club, which is advertising open enrollment, inked deals with three camps to have campers come in and swim. They say members were not notified about allowing the camps to attend the club.

 

 

65 kids entering a public pool is nothing different, but 65 kids going into a private pool is going to disrupt the "norms" of the club to the members who are there, regardless of what race the kids are.

 

Do not insult my intelligence!  Was Lori at the pool at the time the children showed up?  They say they weren't notified, then the negligence lies on the administration of the club!  Sounds like they were trying to get as much money for the club, yet didn't think about the circumstances.

 

now...why would kids make up something like this?????

"I heard one lady saying 'Why's there so many black kids here' cause she said she was afraid that we might do something to her child," recalled camper Dymire Baylor. "How could they say that?"

 

This was a private pool, that camp had a contract with.  It's not like they just showed up.  The club told them to show up at that time/date!

 

Insult your intelligence? Im not really sure where youre getting that from, but that wasnt exactly where i was going with that post. You stated that the members were not notified about the campers coming to the pool and i provided a source and quote where Lori, a club member, was not notified about any of the camps coming in. Also, the article says other members were not notified either. I would think if one person in the club is notified then all members of the club would be notified as well. Secondly, just because the club is negligent in the case doesnt make this an issue of race. The club tried to squeeze some extra revenue in their books and they didnt take the correct steps in notifying the members.

There were 2 other camps that got kicked out as well yet you dont see them picketing and threatening with lawsuits. Why is that? 

Gimme a break. So in total the club cancels 3 different day care contracts due to safety and overcrowding and the center that is majority black and hispanic decides to sue and go to the media while the other 2 dissapear quietly? I was a lifeguard for 3 years in the city i live in and i can tell you firsthand that nobody wanted to be in the pool when the day camps would come in. Adults and older kids would exit the pool and the pool area and then come back once the day camp left. It had nothing to do with color of skin (considering it was majority white) and everything due to there being way too many kids and them all being out of control.

 

Then why didn't they say this from jump???  Why would kids make up things that the parents said???

 

This was racist & elitist.

 

If the people swimming in the pool made those remarks it is no different than people saying them in any public pool, setting, or anywhere else for that matter. It is racist and wrong and i dont agree with it in any way, but it is that specific individuals views and opinions and not those of the actual pool club. 

 

 

The issue was exacerbated when Duesler told two Philadelphia television stations the children had changed "the complexion" and "atmosphere" of the club. The comment brought protesters outside the facility.

 

 

I dont see anything wrong or racist with this quote made by Mr. Duesler though. The "complexion" and "atmosphere" of the pool changed drastically because 65(?) kids entered the pool and pool area that was mostly adults at the time, not because of the color of their skin or racial background.

 

Umm hello, those people are members of the club.  The club IS those people!

 

You don't see anything wrong with those words, in the scheme of things?  You gotta be sh!ttin' me!!

 

We're not going to agree, those people are racist, there is no way to sugar coat it!  If I showed up there and jumped in the pool, they probably would have said the same damn thing and I'm probably in a higher tax bracket than the majority of the clubs members!!

 

No i do agree with you that the individuals who made those remarks are racists, and its a shame to see in 2009. But at the same time I dont think what the club did can be automatically labled as being racist. Hell if i was a member of a mostly adult club, or this particular pool in this case, and rushing in comes 65 screaming and yelling kids id be a little ticked off too if i knew nothing about it before, and probably would pack up and head home until they left (and im only 23).

And yeah, good for the kids for getting a free trip to Disney World, but i think thats going just a little too far with it.

 

See that were this goes wrong.

 

• The club members were notified.  Do you think they could just do this and not notify paying members that their pool would be in use by another group?  Especially since the camp paid them.  They would have to be notified.
  
• The reports are the kids were not noisy or disruptive, so where did you get that information?  Granted, a large group of kids (regardless of race, religion, or financial status) coming in aren't going to be tipping in like church members.  This group was not a rowdy bunch of hooligans.
  

 

From the article Swim Club Members: "Nothing to Do With Race" at http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Swim-Club-Members-Nothing-to-Do-With-Race.html :

This has nothing to do with race," member Lori Slowinski said. "I paid my money for a private swim club…if they're gonna have it out to camps, then I want my money back."

Members are angry the club, which is advertising open enrollment, inked deals with three camps to have campers come in and swim. They say members were not notified about allowing the camps to attend the club.

 

 

65 kids entering a public pool is nothing different, but 65 kids going into a private pool is going to disrupt the "norms" of the club to the members who are there, regardless of what race the kids are.

 

Do not insult my intelligence!  Was Lori at the pool at the time the children showed up?  They say they weren't notified, then the negligence lies on the administration of the club!  Sounds like they were trying to get as much money for the club, yet didn't think about the circumstances.

 

now...why would kids make up something like this?????

"I heard one lady saying 'Why's there so many black kids here' cause she said she was afraid that we might do something to her child," recalled camper Dymire Baylor. "How could they say that?"

 

This was a private pool, that camp had a contract with.  It's not like they just showed up.  The club told them to show up at that time/date!

 

Insult your intelligence? Im not really sure where youre getting that from, but that wasnt exactly where i was going with that post. You stated that the members were not notified about the campers coming to the pool and i provided a source and quote where Lori, a club member, was not notified about any of the camps coming in. Also, the article says other members were not notified either. I would think if one person in the club is notified then all members of the club would be notified as well. Secondly, just because the club is negligent in the case doesnt make this an issue of race. The club tried to squeeze some extra revenue in their books and they didnt take the correct steps in notifying the members.

There were 2 other camps that got kicked out as well yet you dont see them picketing and threatening with lawsuits. Why is that? 

I acknowledged that the administration was negligent.  However, where are the people who were there that day and claim it is not racism???  We haven't heard a word from them.

 

I believe clubs admit "like minded individuals", the overall tone of the club and its members, are racists.  Just because they have some minority members doesn't mean they aren't racist in their actions.  A lot of clubs admit minorities so they wont face discrimination law suits and appear "Political Correct".  Just ask the folks at two country clubs in the western portion of zip code 44122.

 

Again, why would kids make up stories about race??  They gain nothing.

Kids overhearing a few racist comments does not make the entire club racist.  Besides, we all know kids are impressionable and are probably repeating many comments they are hearing at home.

 

I think they do gain something, they get to be the victims.  Unfortunately, that's the goal of many these days!

Kids overhearing a few racist comments does not make the entire club racist.  Besides, we all know kids are impressionable and are probably repeating many comments they are hearing at home.

 

I think they do gain something, they get to be the victims.  Unfortunately, that's the goal of many these days!

 

IIRC, this is information the kids told to camp administrators before returning home.

 

Where there is smoke there is fire.

Idk if this was racially motivated as much as it was just annoyance over a bunch of kids swarming the pool.  I'm a lifeguard, and have been for the past 7 summers, and we have one day camp that comes twice a week.  They always cause problems, are loud, disobbediant, etc.  As was said above, many of the people that are regular members at the pool leave when they come because they don't want to be splashed, or hit with pool balls that the kids seem to have a fasination with.  We also have a school for the deaf that comes about 2 times a month, and a similar situation occurs, except it's much harder to control them for obvious reasons.  This club is perhaps a little uppity and snobby, and the racist comments are clearly inappropriate, but if they also turned away two other camps, I don't see how they are being racist with this one.

I think what Tyler Perry did was cool, but it would've been even cooler if he did it quietly.

 

No.  He was poor and homeless and can relate to those children.  Seeing where he came from to where he is now, could be a the spark those kids need to be the next Tyler Perry.

 

Now if he would have paraded them around on his studio with the Disney dream academy folks that would be a different thing.

 

Not with the kids, but the general public. Getting the Publicist to make the announcement is screaming "all eyes on me," instead of "it's about the kids."

I think what Tyler Perry did was cool, but it would've been even cooler if he did it quietly.

 

No. He was poor and homeless and can relate to those children. Seeing where he came from to where he is now, could be a the spark those kids need to be the next Tyler Perry.

 

Now if he would have paraded them around on his studio with the Disney dream academy folks that would be a different thing.

 

Not with the kids, but the general public. Getting the Publicist to make the announcement is screaming "all eyes on me," instead of "it's about the kids."

 

Tyler Perry probably just wants more people to watch Tyler Perry's new show: Tyler Perry's House of Tyler Perry, starring Tyler Perry as Tyler Perry.

Tyler Perry probably just wants more people to watch Tyler Perry's new show: Tyler Perry's House of Tyler Perry, starring Tyler Perry as Tyler Perry.

 

That might be one of the worst shows I've ever watched on television. Absolutely stinkin.

"Very Funny"

Hi everybody!  This is my first (and possibly last) post in this thread.

 

I was channel surfing the other night and I happened to check out House Hunters on HGTV.  They were in Albuquerque, and I was hoping to get lucky and see some interesting neighborhoods.

 

Well, it was the typical suburban family.  They showed the first house, switched to a panoramic of the huge, empty, asphalt, cul-de-sac, and then switched back to the wife who commented on how much she loved the huge cul-de-sac.  I then had to turn the channel.  But I thought members here could appreciate my combined disgust and amusement.

 

Was the lady a huge cul-de-sac herself?

I long for the old days of UrbanOhio, when posters respected one another and topics were discussed and stayed on topic!

 

We've had far to many subjects/post go off topic lately and it painful to read, over and over, posts from our VOLUNTEER moderators to stay on topic.  They don't get paid to do this and many times, from where I sit, it appears they can no long participate, because they are cleaning up threads?  It's been a while since certain mods have posted a thought provoking thread and not just a short blurb.  This could be due to personal and profession factors, but, I, personally miss their contributions.

 

I've been fortunate to learn many great things about my neighborhood, city, county, region, state and other places because you folks care!  I look forward to opening urbanohio throughout the day to see what great things have been posted!  Unfortunately there are a few bad apples that can often fuck up an entire thread.  UrbanOhio has become an amazing resource, not just a "web blog" or "forum".  To some UO is a family.

 

So I would like to ask a favor of each of you - can we all just cut the BS and get back to the basics??

 

I'm not saying don't have fun, but can we all use some self editing/moderation?

 

Thanks!

Surely one can see the challenge in keeping a thread called "Off Topic" on topic. As for all the other threads, yes, please people: keep that shit on topic.

Does that include off-topic pleas, by non-moderators, to keep threads on-topic?  ;)

 

How about we all stay consistent.  If you feel a thread is going off-topic, either PM the person taking it off topic or PM a moderator.  It would keep things a lot cleaner, which is everybody's goal I believe.  It would also make the moderators' jobs a lot easier as they would only have to hack into the off-topic posts and not also the off-topic critiques of off-topic posts.

Does that include off-topic pleas, by non-moderators, to keep threads on-topic?  ;)

 

How about we all stay consistent.  If you feel a thread is going off-topic, either PM the person taking it off topic or PM a moderator.  It would keep things a lot cleaner, which is everybody's goal I believe.  It would also make the moderators' jobs a lot easier as they would only have to hack into the off-topic posts and not also the off-topic critiques of off-topic posts.

 

I suggest using the "report to moderator" button.

I was talking to my boss this morning, and when he changed the subject, I told him that wasn't the original intent of our conversation, and if he wanted to continue he would have to schedule time to do so!

the problem is that the parameters of what constitutes "off-topic" are so vague and arbitrary. Last week someone on the Obama Presidency thread brought up the fact that despite his public confession of religious faith, the president has not chosen a church to attend. Granted, this is ultimately a personal matter and should have nothing to do with his official duties as President, but it has been a topic much-discussed in the media (remember his appearance with Rick Warren in the campaign?), so therefore why was it deemed off limits? It seems that even pertinent aspects of certain topics will be considered verboten if the capricious whims of the moderator so decree.

^If I recall, the request to keep religion out of the Obama discussion came from a non-moderator, and an Obama-critic to boot. As a moderator I left the comments intact and directed further discussion of religion over to the pre-existing "Religion" thread. Issues "much-discussed in the media" don't always lend value to a discussion. This, obviously, was one of them.

I was talking to my boss this morning, and when he changed the subject, I told him that wasn't the original intent of our conversation, and if he wanted to continue he would have to schedule time to do so!

 

LOL.  Good one!  I would do that with my old boss.  He would just show up at my office door and want to BS.  I'm like, "As you can see, I'm working or having a meeting.  You just can't walk in here and start a conversation, that is why I have two assistants, use them!  I'm producing so you look good.  Thats all."  He would just roll his eyes and say something like "Don't make me fire your bougie a$$!" 

 

Sometimes, you gotta put the big man in check!  LOL

I was talking to my boss this morning, and when he changed the subject, I told him that wasn't the original intent of our conversation, and if he wanted to continue he would have to schedule time to do so!

 

LOL. Good one!   I would do that with my old boss. He would just show up at my office door and want to BS. I'm like, "As you can see, I'm working or having a meeting. You just can't walk in here and start a conversation, that is why I have two assistants, use them! I'm producing so you look good. Thats all." He would just roll his eyes and say something like "Don't make me fire your bougie a$$!"

 

Sometimes, you gotta put the big man in check! LOL

 

I can remember a boss I used to have would talk about his old college days and all the partying and drinking and "dancers" etc etc....I would go in his office, ask him a question, and he would change the subject to conversations like this.  The problem was there were two female secretaries right outside his office.  It was so embarrassing to be in there when he would do this stuff, and they would hear it.  I however was young, and afraid to tell him to be quiet and answer my original question, so I would pretend to be intrested while he just laughed away at his own stories. 

I was talking to my boss this morning, and when he changed the subject, I told him that wasn't the original intent of our conversation, and if he wanted to continue he would have to schedule time to do so!

 

LOL.  Good one!  I would do that with my old boss.  He would just show up at my office door and want to BS.  I'm like, "As you can see, I'm working or having a meeting.  You just can't walk in here and start a conversation, that is why I have two assistants, use them!  I'm producing so you look good.  Thats all."  He would just roll his eyes and say something like "Don't make me fire your bougie a$$!" 

 

Sometimes, you gotta put the big man in check!  LOL

 

I can remember a boss I used to have would talk about his old college days and all the partying and drinking and "dancers" etc etc....I would go in his office, ask him a question, and he would change the subject to conversations like this.  The problem was there were two female secretaries right outside his office.  It was so embarrassing to be in there when he would do this stuff, and they would hear it.  I however was young, and afraid to tell him to be quiet and answer my original question, so I would pretend to be intrested while he just laughed away at his own stories. 

 

That's why I have two male assistants.  If I had female assistant, she'd probably run out crying every day and quit.

^^I wouldn't :)

^^I wouldn't :)

 

LOL.  I don't know about that.  I know you guys will find this hard to believe, but I can be a total perfectionist bitch on occasion.

I long for the old days of UrbanOhio, when posters respected one another and topics were discussed and stayed on topic!

 

We've had far to many subjects/post go off topic lately and it painful to read, over and over, posts from our VOLUNTEER moderators to stay on topic.  They don't get paid to do this and many times, from where I sit, it appears they can no long participate, because they are cleaning up threads?  It's been a while since certain mods have posted a thought provoking thread and not just a short blurb.  This could be due to personal and profession factors, but, I, personally miss their contributions.

 

I've been fortunate to learn many great things about my neighborhood, city, county, region, state and other places because you folks care!  I look forward to opening urbanohio throughout the day to see what great things have been posted!  Unfortunately there are a few bad apples that can often f$&k up an entire thread.  UrbanOhio has become an amazing resource, not just a "web blog" or "forum".  To some UO is a family.

 

So I would like to ask a favor of each of you - can we all just cut the BS and get back to the basics??

 

I'm not saying don't have fun, but can we all use some self editing/moderation?

 

Thanks!

 

Says the king of being off topic! Let's be real here, MTS, every thread you touch turns gay or about fashion! lol

I long for the old days of UrbanOhio, when posters respected one another and topics were discussed and stayed on topic!

 

We've had far to many subjects/post go off topic lately and it painful to read, over and over, posts from our VOLUNTEER moderators to stay on topic.  They don't get paid to do this and many times, from where I sit, it appears they can no long participate, because they are cleaning up threads?  It's been a while since certain mods have posted a thought provoking thread and not just a short blurb.  This could be due to personal and profession factors, but, I, personally miss their contributions.

 

I've been fortunate to learn many great things about my neighborhood, city, county, region, state and other places because you folks care!  I look forward to opening urbanohio throughout the day to see what great things have been posted!  Unfortunately there are a few bad apples that can often f$&k up an entire thread.  UrbanOhio has become an amazing resource, not just a "web blog" or "forum".  To some UO is a family.

 

So I would like to ask a favor of each of you - can we all just cut the BS and get back to the basics??

 

I'm not saying don't have fun, but can we all use some self editing/moderation?

 

Thanks!

 

Says the king of being off topic! Let's be real here, MTS, every thread you touch turns gay or about fashion! lol

 

You say that as if it's a bad thing.  :laugh:

I know you guys will find this hard to believe, but I can be a total perfectionist bitch on occasion.

 

:-o

No, If you had a female assistant, you would worry every day about who was prettier!

No, If you had a female assistant, you would worry every day about who was prettier!

Oh no.  I'm gay, not some flaming queen!  There is a huge difference.

 

If I had a female assistant, she would have to be on point, from head to toe, before I got a hold to her for refinement.  She would have to have tough skin.  My boys come to the office and look fabulous everyday, however, they can hold their own, when I go on a tirade. I don't have to comment on their attire or attitude.

 

Example no 1.  If I have a meeting with the luxury good folks, and someone shows up - who works in fashion - inappropriately, I just lean to left, look down, and raise my eyebrow.

 

Example no. 2.  An intern showed up in flip flops.  My No. 1 assistant told her, "You better not let him see you in flip flops, because you look like a hot mess, made with old fish grease.  Go home and come back when you're dressed appropriate for work."  She didn't listen to his advice.  She lasted here 9/10 days, tops.

 

We work at a media company not an accounting firm.  Come to work appropriately dressed!  :whip:

Flip flops to work?  Jesus.

Flip flops to work?  Jesus.

 

These kids have no clue what is/is not appropriate.  Some can be way to casual.  It's disgusting.

Flip flops to work?  Jesus.

 

These kids have no clue what is/is not appropriate.  Some can be way to casual.  It's disgusting.

 

Skinny tie with a suit, do you consider that appropriate in a business setting?

I wear them all the time and there are a number of people at my workplace who dont like them and make it pretty obvious they dont like them.

Flip flops to work?  Jesus.

 

These kids have no clue what is/is not appropriate.  Some can be way to casual.  It's disgusting.

 

Preach on, brother MTS!

When the suit-and-tie office where I worked started Casual Fridays, they published some general guidelines defining what was and was not appropriate. Either some people were too dense to comprehend, or they just didn't read it; there were several (out of about a thousand in my building) who showed up on the first Casual Friday looking like they were headed for a day at the beach, everything but the blanket and picnic basket.

 

There were, yes, flip-flops, accompanied by frayed-and-torn denim cut-off shorts, worn out logo T-shirts like something I might wear when painting the house, and even an occasional tank top. Gross offenders got sent home, and it took a couple of times to get the message across to some.

 

On the other hand, when I saw the legs on one twenty-something cutie who worked in payment processing, I thought he ought to be required to wear shorts every day, just nicer and maybe shorter ones. :evil:

Flip flops to work?  Jesus.

 

These kids have no clue what is/is not appropriate.  Some can be way to casual.  It's disgusting.

 

Skinny tie with a suit, do you consider that appropriate in a business setting?

I wear them all the time and there are a number of people at my workplace who dont like them and make it pretty obvious they dont like them.

 

I need a visual sugar.