January 4, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, GISguy said: Any thoughts on Robert Kennedy remaining in his position? I hope so. He is doing a better job than his predecessor.
January 4, 20223 yr On 12/28/2021 at 9:16 PM, marty15 said: Drove by the airport today and got this idea. There's a lot to like about this idea if we are going to continue to design for the car (and having buildings on parking-lot islands). But that's an expensive proposition and I'm not convinced that that amount of new construction would be enough to justify the cost of the new interchange, roadways, and other infrastructure. Let's build something similar, but denser at an RTA stop away from the airport. A couple of hotels, some restaurants, mid-rise offices, long-term parking, and the rental car parking garages, and everyone leaving the airport rides RTA to get there (or stays on the Red Line and continues into the city). You could include the drop-off/pick-up lanes near that rapid stop as well. Save the airport property for the airport itself.
January 4, 20223 yr I'm not convinced that being one stop away on the Red Line is going to matter to anyone. If people are going to get on the Red Line, they may as well take it Downtown. Or just get in a rental car and go anywhere. The friction of the Red Line is meeting it's schedule. Unless...unless an "airport shuttle train" runs along the Red Line ROW to that stop and back only and extremely regularly- like a 5 minute headway regularly. Then I could see an "airport commercial district" popping up at that stop.
January 5, 20223 yr This airport serves a large, spread out region. A region that isn’t served by rail. It most definitely will cater to the car going forward. It has to.
January 13, 20223 yr Ok Cleveland folks, I am trying to be nice about this post, but you all definitely need a new airport. Its been a couple years and last time I travelled through CLE on Continental. The other day I flew into CLE on Delta going through B gates. Wow is all i can say. Tight space, low ceilings, some weird bottle necks, looks very dated in a number of areas. Its not the worse I have seen but I get and understand why you all need a new airport. Also on another note, what asshat designed and developed the shuttle pick up space outside the baggage claim area. Nothing to truly break the cold wind, and a couple very small sad heaters to keep users warm. Myself and about ten others waiting for the rental car shuttle were like this is truly awful to have to stand out here in the freezing cold and wait.
January 13, 20223 yr Yes, we all know CLE has some serious issues. The master plan for upgrading CLE was completed last year and is awaiting FAA review. Once construction begins, and who knows when that will happen, not until passenger numbers are back to pre-pandemic levels and financing is in place, concourse B is scheduled to be torn down and rebuilt in the first phase. As for the shuttle situation, I believe that will be addressed in a subsequent phase.
January 20, 20223 yr CLE passenger count in 2021 was 7.3 million. https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/01/cleveland-hopkins-airport-welcomed-73-million-passengers-in-2021-as-travel-rebounds.html
January 21, 20223 yr Update on CLE rebuild. https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/01/update-on-2-billion-plan-to-rebuild-cleveland-hopkins-airport-prep-work-and-funding-talks-come-first.html
January 24, 20223 yr Good to see that this is at least being discussed. Fingers crossed! https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/01/cleveland-hopkins-officials-making-push-for-nonstop-flight-to-europe-but-route-will-need-financial-help.html
January 24, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, Ethan said: Good to see that this is at least being discussed. Fingers crossed! https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/01/cleveland-hopkins-officials-making-push-for-nonstop-flight-to-europe-but-route-will-need-financial-help.html It would be nice if one of the big 3 (American, Delta or United) could do it.
January 24, 20223 yr A Cleveland-to-London could make a lot of sense with the London Stock Exchange's ELITE initiative's North American HQ in Cleveland, Steris is Irish-domiciled, EATON's global HQ is in Dublin. Any other EURO country have more direct corporate connections with Cleveland?
January 24, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Luke_S said: A Cleveland-to-London could make a lot of sense with the London Stock Exchange's ELITE initiative's North American HQ in Cleveland, Steris is Irish-domiciled, EATON's global HQ is in Dublin. Any other EURO country have more direct corporate connections with Cleveland? My concern is there is no way one of these carriers would operate a wide-body aircraft with lay-flat seats out of Cleveland. Even back when we had the Continental 757 service to LGW, I would take a connection to EWR or IAD to get a lay flat seat. The extra flight leg and time was worth the comfort and the rest when landing in London. I'm not a fancy stockbroker, but I would imagine many would feel the same.
January 24, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Cleburger said: My concern is there is no way one of these carriers would operate a wide-body aircraft with lay-flat seats out of Cleveland. Even back when we had the Continental 757 service to LGW, I would take a connection to EWR or IAD to get a lay flat seat. The extra flight leg and time was worth the comfort and the rest when landing in London. I'm not a fancy stockbroker, but I would imagine many would feel the same. With the 321XLR coming into play for American and United. They could convince (pay) AA to fly to LHR and connect with One World partners. However like CVG being loyal to Skyteam partners because of Delta. I would assume CLE would be more loyal to Star Alliance with the old United hub. So they might be able to get 3 or 4x weekly to FRA on Lufthansa. Again have to pony up the cash. If St. Louis can get Lufthansa to start service I am sure CLE could do the same
January 24, 20223 yr With Port of Cleveland's recent partnership with Europe, AMS may also make sense.
January 24, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Cleburger said: My concern is there is no way one of these carriers would operate a wide-body aircraft with lay-flat seats out of Cleveland. Even back when we had the Continental 757 service to LGW, I would take a connection to EWR or IAD to get a lay flat seat. The extra flight leg and time was worth the comfort and the rest when landing in London. I'm not a fancy stockbroker, but I would imagine many would feel the same. FWIW - as far as I know, unless you’re in the C-Suite none of the big Cleveland employers are paying for their people to fly Business to Europe. I think that’s been the rub in the past. The airline wants/ needs a decent number of Business Class travelers to make any money. My hovercraft is full of eels
January 24, 20223 yr Slightly different than my original point, but I worked in public accounting, we regularly sent people to Europe for component site visits. Now, all in-person site visits stopped with the pandemic, TBD if they return to that model.
January 24, 20223 yr Most CLE demand is for London, plus London offers the best connecting opportunities to the rest of Europe and the Middle East. But London is expensive for US airlines since they face slot costs; so I question whether a US airline would jump at the CLE-LHR opportunity. However British Airways is sitting on hundreds of legacy slots acquired free or for very little and they're using them on a good number of relatively low-volume and low-margin internal UK flights. CLE would represent an improvement in slot and aircraft utilization over one of the internal flights. In addition, BA operates the 'small' model 787 (35 biz class, 25 premium econ, 154 economy) which, except for biz class, could sell well in the CLE market. (BA says premium economy is their most profitable class.) Aside from the latest press report, Director Kennedy has said CLE-Europe/Middle East generated 450 pax daily pre-Covid. The availability of a non-stop flight generally stimulates traffic up to 20%, so let's say, very conservatively, the market is 500 a day. I think a BA flight needing to sell 180 seats could work very well. Another (less attractive?) possibility might be one of the European discount operators. Edited January 24, 20223 yr by Dougal Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
January 24, 20223 yr 40 minutes ago, Dougal said: Most CLE demand is for London, plus London offers the best connecting opportunities to the rest of Europe and the Middle East. But London is expensive for US airlines since they face slot costs; so I question whether a US airline would jump at the CLE-LHR opportunity. However British Airways is sitting on hundreds of legacy slots acquired free or for very little and they're using them on a good number of relatively low-volume and low-margin internal UK flights. CLE would represent an improvement in slot and aircraft utilization over one of the internal flights. In addition, BA operates the 'small' model 787 (35 biz class, 25 premium econ, 154 economy) which, except for biz class, could sell well in the CLE market. (BA says premium economy is their most profitable class.) Aside from the latest press report, Director Kennedy has said CLE-Europe/Middle East generated 450 pax daily pre-Covid. The availability of a non-stop flight generally stimulates traffic up to 20%, so let's say, very conservatively, the market is 500 a day. I think a BA flight needing to sell 180 seats could work very well. Another (less attractive?) possibility might be one of the European discount operators. I don't think (and wouldn't want) any substantial financial incentives would be presented to discount airways - with a handful of exceptions (maybe Brussels Air / Ryan Air)
January 25, 20223 yr The route that will work is UAL or LH to Frankfurt or Munchen. Star Alliance hookup and loyal Star clientelle in CLE.
January 25, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, B767PILOT said: The route that will work is UAL or LH to Frankfurt or Munchen. Star Alliance hookup and loyal Star clientelle in CLE. I'm planning on going to Germany in fall if COVID complies. This would be awesome if we had a route by then.
January 25, 20223 yr 12 hours ago, Cleburger said: My concern is there is no way one of these carriers would operate a wide-body aircraft with lay-flat seats out of Cleveland. Even back when we had the Continental 757 service to LGW, I would take a connection to EWR or IAD to get a lay flat seat. The extra flight leg and time was worth the comfort and the rest when landing in London. I'm not a fancy stockbroker, but I would imagine many would feel the same. While a minor point, this is fortunately less of an issue in 2022. All of the international (and PS) United 757s these days have a lay flat product, AA is running a true first, biz, economy configured A321/757, and many of the carriers now flying the 737 Max and A321LR on medium haul routes (think JetBlue to Europe, etc) have a lie flat product up front. On the flip side, the back of the plane is probably less comfortable now that it was two decades ago, which is exacerbated on a narrow body (at least psychologically).
January 25, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, brtshrcegr said: While a minor point, this is fortunately less of an issue in 2022. All of the international (and PS) United 757s these days have a lay flat product, AA is running a true first, biz, economy configured A321/757, and many of the carriers now flying the 737 Max and A321LR on medium haul routes (think JetBlue to Europe, etc) have a lie flat product up front. On the flip side, the back of the plane is probably less comfortable now that it was two decades ago, which is exacerbated on a narrow body (at least psychologically). Just wanted to say I appreciate how many people seem to know alot about the airline industry on this forum. Unsure if you work in the industry or it's just a hobby. But thanks for the info.
February 3, 20223 yr As of right now, tomorrow's (Thursday's) cancellations at Hopkins are 96 departures and 91 flights that were destined to Cleveland, for a total of 187 flights affecting CLE. Edited February 3, 20223 yr by Pugu
February 3, 20223 yr 11 hours ago, Pugu said: As of right now, tomorrow's (Thursday's) cancellations at Hopkins are 96 departures and 91 flights that were destined to Cleveland, for a total of 187 flights affecting CLE. As of 958am, 193 cancellations. 99 CLE departures and 94 CLE arrivals.
February 16, 20223 yr CLE rebounding faster than national average. https://www.clevelandairport.com/cleveland-hopkins-international-airport-rebounding-faster-national-average
March 9, 20223 yr And from Cleveland.com: https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/03/frontier-airlines-adds-new-service-from-cleveland-hopkins-to-philadelphia-dallas-fort-worth.html
March 12, 20223 yr On 3/9/2022 at 12:57 PM, Clefan98 said: I think American will go ham on these two routes. Fares will be lowered for a temporary time, benefiting consumers, then American will run Frontier out.
March 12, 20223 yr This is confusing because I’m pretty sure Frontier tried these exact routes within the last five years and they both didn’t stick.
March 14, 20223 yr United dropping seasonal flights. https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2022/03/united-airlines-is-dropping-seasonal-flights-from-cleveland-hopkins-to-hilton-head-myrtle-beach-portland-this-summer.html
March 22, 20223 yr During the pandemic I was looking around and jobs to get out of the house and have a little fun around airplanes. I was surprised to see that aircraft fuelers only get paid $13/hour....
March 22, 20223 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 5, 20223 yr Well this is a bummer. I hope it doesn't impact the expansion plans. https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/cleveland-airport-chief-robert-kennedy-resigns/95-37221e95-972e-47b2-8383-2062a57bdcd8
April 5, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: Well this is a bummer. I hope it doesn't impact the expansion plans. https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/cleveland-airport-chief-robert-kennedy-resigns/95-37221e95-972e-47b2-8383-2062a57bdcd8 Bad news. I only know of him from his appearances before council committees but I was always impressed by him. He seemed incredibly capable and passionate.
April 7, 20223 yr Sounds like Delta’s CLE-SLC is coming back. Good On 4/4/2022 at 8:30 PM, John7165 said: I picked this little item from the Pittsburgh thread on Anet. "From the Air Service development manager of SLC. He says that PIT, DSM, MSN, CLE, and CMH will resume q4 2022 or q1 2023. also IND will resume earlier according to him. https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468565&sid=0b8a2937f188f1950078d45383efb180 When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
April 15, 20223 yr https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/04/sheraton-cleveland-airport-hotel-facing-mounting-debt-may-be-closed-and-turned-into-airport-parking.html
April 16, 20223 yr 12 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/04/sheraton-cleveland-airport-hotel-facing-mounting-debt-may-be-closed-and-turned-into-airport-parking.html Awful news. Cleveland is but a handful of airports in the country with a hotel directly on property. The only thing that was missing was a direct connection via a walkway to the terminal. The city, county and port authority should step in to figure out some sort of public/private financing to rehab the hotel, build a new long term parking ramp next to it and move the rental car facility into the current short-term garage.
April 16, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/04/sheraton-cleveland-airport-hotel-facing-mounting-debt-may-be-closed-and-turned-into-airport-parking.html 1 hour ago, Cleburger said: Awful news. Cleveland is but a handful of airports in the country with a hotel directly on property. The only thing that was missing was a direct connection via a walkway to the terminal. The city, county and port authority should step in to figure out some sort of public/private financing to rehab the hotel, build a new long term parking ramp next to it and move the rental car facility into the current short-term garage. They were already planning to get rid of the hotel with the terminal replacement project. As a non-hub airport, I’m not convinced that an on-site hotel is all that important anyway. Moving rental cars on-site is more important than having a hotel. (Also part of the plan) I’d have a different opinion if there was a directly connected and well-serviced passenger train station. But unfortunately that’s feeling like a pipe dream. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
April 16, 20223 yr CLE needs all the space it can get for airport operations. An on-site hotel is not needed, especially one that is over 50 years old. The hotel was looking rather shabby the last time I was there 10 years ago. There are several other hotels in the vicinity and I'm sure they all offer shuttles to/from the airport.
April 17, 20223 yr On 4/16/2022 at 11:15 AM, LibertyBlvd said: CLE needs all the space it can get for airport operations. An on-site hotel is not needed, especially one that is over 50 years old. The hotel was looking rather shabby the last time I was there 10 years ago. There are several other hotels in the vicinity and I'm sure they all offer shuttles to/from the airport. What additional space is needed? Hopkins currently has way more capacity than is needed for current operations. Like everyone rushing to close Burke Lakefront, we may not understand what we have until it's gone. Yes the current airport hotel may be outdated and in need of rehab, but once again it's something that most cities our size do not have. We should be embracing it and promoting it, both for the airport, conventions and future rail links. If we tear it down, we'll never get it back. I can tell you as a road warrior (200+ days of travel a year) that I would book an on airport hotel any day over an airport 2 miles up the road with a shuttle.
April 18, 20223 yr 19 hours ago, Cleburger said: What additional space is needed? Hopkins currently has way more capacity than is needed for current operations. I meant for roadways, parking, rental cars, shuttles and such.
April 20, 20223 yr ^ I just hope they get started on it soon enough so I will see it completed in my lifetime.
April 21, 20223 yr On 4/20/2022 at 12:39 AM, marty15 said: The potential new airport layout. No airport design expert and this is just a snippet of the full report, but the terminal and concourses still look disjointed. There also doesn't appear to be real provisions for easy extension or addition of concourses if needed in the future.
April 21, 20223 yr On 4/16/2022 at 12:03 AM, Boomerang_Brian said: They were already planning to get rid of the hotel with the terminal replacement project. As a non-hub airport, I’m not convinced that an on-site hotel is all that important anyway. Moving rental cars on-site is more important than having a hotel. (Also part of the plan) I’d have a different opinion if there was a directly connected and well-serviced passenger train station. But unfortunately that’s feeling like a pipe dream. there was talk of an airtrain to the car rental facility when it was built, but they back away from that. probably due to costs.
April 21, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said: No airport design expert and this is just a snippet of the full report, but the terminal and concourses still look disjointed. There also doesn't appear to be real provisions for easy extension or addition of concourses if needed in the future. I don't remember all the reasons this layout was selected, but I believe lower cost and walking distance to gates were a couple main factors. I'm not sure about concourse E. it seems like they would be better off without it and add more gates on concourse D. I thought one of the models had concourse D being L shaped instead of the hockey stick. But maybe that model didn't include concourse E.
April 21, 20223 yr One thing that's not been discussed at all is will there be a large central common space in main concourse - with high ceilings, seating areas, and other public space the airport has been lacking - especially in the days of "better get through security early - and wait" that can connect all concourses Those who may have seen Indianapolis's impressive new $1B terminal building, or maybe know the food court areas in places like Seattle, know the large spaces I am talking about. This could even be done now at CLE by building out mutilple stories between B and C where the low ceilinged food court exists. If we just build or revamp concourses and lack that open, impressive, public space to bind it all together, it might be money not well spent.
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