May 15, 200718 yr looks like continental CEO and other top executives are in CLE Thursday May 24. Rumor is: - announcement of expansion of domestic flights to/from CLE. potentially doubling existing traffic over the next year. - that customs facility will not be done in time for CDG launch in 2008, and no other international expansion will take place until this facility is online. apparently the city hasn't signed off on the customs facility yet. Rick, if you're listening...Bypass council AGAIN, to get the FIS station done! I hate the current facility! With this new facility coming online, I wonder will it be all CO and the other airlines use the A facility or will the A facility go away and the A concourse redesigned? Also, why arent C1 & C2 Connected to this as they are wide body gates. I bet with the amount of money floating around this project...Mr. Smith isn't gonna be able to sneak this past city council. I don't know why the council would disagree with the project considering the potential upside for the airport and the region's economy as a whole.
May 15, 200718 yr I bet with the amount of money floating around this project...Mr. Smith isn't gonna be able to sneak this past city council. I don't know why the council would disagree with the project considering the potential upside for the airport and the region's economy as a whole. I wasn't 100% serious. I know he'll do the right thing, but I just don't want council f*cking it up!
May 15, 200718 yr With the clinic making ways in the middle east,when will a direct flight from the united emerites start. :shoot: :shoot: :shoot:
May 16, 200718 yr With the clinic making ways in the middle east,when will a direct flight from the united emerites start. :shoot: :shoot: :shoot: Honestly, I don't think there is a need, most of those rich folks have their own planes, however with Emirates codesharing on flights out of Newark and soon to be Houston, Cleveland could make sense.
May 16, 200718 yr Yea but the clinic running the clinic in dubai,alot of there employes are going to work in dubai for shorts stints,that means that the average person would using the flight. With the clinic making ways in the middle east,when will a direct flight from the united emerites start. :shoot: :shoot: :shoot: Honestly, I don't think there is a need, most of those rich folks have their own planes, however with Emirates codesharing on flights out of Newark and soon to be Houston, Cleveland could make sense.
May 16, 200718 yr Yea but the clinic running the clinic in dubai,alot of there employes are going to work in dubai for shorts stints,that means that the average person would using the flight. With the clinic making ways in the middle east,when will a direct flight from the united emerites start. :shoot: :shoot: :shoot: Honestly, I don't think there is a need, most of those rich folks have their own planes, however with Emirates codesharing on flights out of Newark and soon to be Houston, Cleveland could make sense. Are we sure about that? I would think they would hire doctors, nurses, etc locally/regionaly. I dont get the sense the Clinic secunds jobs or does it in the magnitude SOHIO/BP.
May 16, 200718 yr I have actually seen an ad for jobs at the clinic in dubai in cleveland somewhere,just cant remeber were.
May 17, 200718 yr Just so you guys know, it's a moot point. A Cleveland-Dubai non-stop isn't even gonna work with the expansion to a 10000ft runway. Middle East destination flight times are almost as long as Pacific Rim ones from the US.
May 17, 200718 yr Just so you guys know, it's a moot point. A Cleveland-Dubai non-stop isn't even gonna work with the expansion to a 10000ft runway. Middle East destination flight times are almost as long as Pacific Rim ones from the US. I didn't think it would be profittable anyway. Considering the Cleveland - Toledo - Detroit regional has a decent sized middle east/muslin population. I would have thought NW would have already had a flight there or a thru flight via Amsterdamn
May 22, 200718 yr Cleveland Hopkins gets high marks from travelers Posted by Susan Vinella May 22, 2007 11:35AM Categories: Breaking News The bathrooms at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport could be cleaner, but the quality and service at the retail shops are better than at most U.S. airports. That's what travelers said about Cleveland's airport in an annual survey by marketing research giant J.D. Powers & Associates. The California-based firm surveyed more than 10,000 travelers at the nation's airports. Overall, Hopkins ranked fourth among medium airports in customer satisfaction, the same ranking it received last year. A medium-sized airport handles between 10 and 30 million passengers a year. Last year, 11.3 million travelers passed through Hopkins. Passengers rated Cleveland's airport better than average for its accessibility and for food and beverage services. They rated security check points and baggage check-in as average.
May 22, 200718 yr Cleveland Hopkins gets high marks from travelers Posted by Susan Vinella May 22, 2007 11:35AM Categories: Breaking News The bathrooms at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport could be cleaner, but the quality and service at the retail shops are better than at most U.S. airports. That's what travelers said about Cleveland's airport in an annual survey by marketing research giant J.D. Powers & Associates. The California-based firm surveyed more than 10,000 travelers at the nation's airports. Overall, Hopkins ranked fourth among medium airports in customer satisfaction, the same ranking it received last year. A medium-sized airport handles between 10 and 30 million passengers a year. Last year, 11.3 million travelers passed through Hopkins. Passengers rated Cleveland's airport better than average for its accessibility and for food and beverage services. They rated security check points and baggage check-in as average. Where did the PD get that 11.3 mil figure? That's about 500,000 short of the actual pax totals for 2006.
May 22, 200718 yr there is a continental flight from beijing on the ground now. a rare chance to see a 777 in cleveland.
May 22, 200718 yr I don't know if there really is anything negative about Hopkins, it has well priced flights, flights are typically on time. Besides the occasional winter storm (which they can't do anything about). The airport really is top of the line.
May 23, 200718 yr The terminals are outdated. Badly outdated. I agree, it's depressing going from airports like Minneapolis or Honolulu or Houston and coming to the 8-foot ceilings and the 70's style carpet of Hopkins.
May 23, 200718 yr How much time do you spend in the airport? I personally worry about my flight being on time, not the carpet in the terminal.
May 23, 200718 yr How much time do you spend in the airport? I personally worry about my flight being on time, not the carpet in the terminal. When people come in from other more modern airports the first thing they see is our outdated facility. For some folks thats their impression of Cleveland, a dingy outdated place.
May 23, 200718 yr Well would you prefer it stays the way it is, or they remodel which in turn they pass the costs onto us in the form of higher landing fees which means higher ticket prices. Things could be worse, Cincinnati airport is more outdated then Cleveland and they have the 2nd highest ticket fare in the US second to Anchorage, Alaska
May 23, 200718 yr Well would you prefer it stays the way it is, or they remodel which in turn they pass the costs onto us in the form of higher landing fees which means higher ticket prices. Things could be worse, Cincinnati airport is more outdated then Cleveland and they have the 2nd highest ticket fare in the US second to Anchorage, Alaska I'd prefer them to remodel the entire thing, build new facilites, get more and better stores(Solution to higher fees) , mark rail connections to Downtown better and make it more attractive to passengers. Good thing they are doing some minor tweaks. the status quo is borderline pathetic.
May 23, 200718 yr Ok Ks5214, well let's not touch downtown Cleveland then because it would raise parking rates and rent for apartment units and commercial spaces as well...There would be more traffic too... :roll: The airport is the gateway to the city for currently 12 million people and it's important it represents the city in a proper manner. Detroit's new terminal might set someone up for a disappointment :wink: lol! While we may not be able to afford a new terminal complex, there's no reason we can't invest in some cosmetic upgrades for the immediate future. The airport has come a long way in the past few years (albeit relative to the hole it really was 5 years ago). There's still a lot of room for improvement but hopefully we'll see more shortly??? At work, I've seen stuff we've done for CLE a few years ago--it was nothing more than new seats for gates, flooring, etc...Obviously nothing materialized but some nice shiny floors, bright seats, ELECTRONIC signage, etc. can really spruce the place up! I'm not trying to get personal but it's comments like that strengthen the idea that "Cleveland's just home and if it ain't broken, don't fix it." Does anyone else on here think that the many of the locals here think of Cleveland as HOME and it's just a place to sleep, eat, and work? I think a lot of people have a hard time seeing Cleveland as a place to "play"...We do have a hub which should be growing shortly. The businesses and institutions in the area attract their business travelers too. There are plenty of "strangers" who fly through/to/from CLE besides the 2-3 million locals. We can't treat this-OR ANY OTHER project in the city like no one but "us" is going to see and use it. Don't we want to break the "mediocre Cleveland" mindset? I don't know about you, but I would like to impress the Parisians next spring! :wink: :clap:
May 23, 200718 yr I take that back... I want to impress some Clevelanders! The strangers seem to be impressed more often than not!
May 23, 200718 yr I'm not opposed to minor updating, but raising fares to Cleveland isn't going to help attract visitors. We have bigger fish to fry in this city then updating our airport terminal carpet. But point well taken.
May 23, 200718 yr How much time do you spend in the airport? I personally worry about my flight being on time, not the carpet in the terminal. I just hate coming home and feeling like I stepped back 20 years in time when I walk into Hopkins. It's depressing and does not reflect well on the city.
May 23, 200718 yr I don't know if there really is anything negative about Hopkins, it has well priced flights, flights are typically on time. Besides the occasional winter storm (which they can't do anything about). The airport really is top of the line. The current runway configuration is rough...although adding the third 5/23 runway was a big help for CAL in terms of ATC traffic flow control. Also Hopkins is lacking a quality facility to handle even small widebody jets. From what I hear repeatedly, the customs facilites suck as well. Also, for a city that gets tons of snow, there has been real trouble in running an efficent de-icing pad. Although, I know that's improved a bit with the new central de-ice location. The reason CLE scores high is because you can get in and out of the airport rather quickly compared to most other mid-sized airports. If you land at the D concourse in CLE, you can be at a downtown hotel in the about the same amount of time it would take just to leave the airport property if you arrive at the D concourse at Dulles (then you have a 30 mile ride into the city). Transfering is easy too...at some airports (like Kansas City) you have to leave the secure area in order transfer, none of that BS in CLE. One more beef: Outside of the Hopkins Sheraton....there really isn't a nice hotel near the airport. If the Ford plant closes completely.....an intermodal yard along with a string of mid-rise quality hotels where the Ford parking lots straddle Engle and Snow could really do wonders for the area and the airport. But I don't think Brook Park pols have that type of vision. They love those EZ Park folks.
May 23, 200718 yr Well would you prefer it stays the way it is, or they remodel which in turn they pass the costs onto us in the form of higher landing fees which means higher ticket prices. Things could be worse, Cincinnati airport is more outdated then Cleveland and they have the 2nd highest ticket fare in the US second to Anchorage, Alaska You need to roll back and read some of the previous posts in this thread. Smith is actually trying to find ways to improve the airport while lower landing fees. Opening up the ownership of airport shops to competition to create an outside source of revenue will help. Actually keeping track and collecting fees and taxes due the city will help as well. For some reason this wasn't done for the previous 20 years. Mind you...CVG fares have more to do with Delta and their price fixing scheme than anything with landing fees. CLE landing fees are higher than CVG's. Delta knows it has Cincy travellers by the balls with the lack of competition, and it squeezes every red cent out of passengers there. NW does the same at MSP.
May 23, 200718 yr Surprise . . . Hopkins flies high with travelers Airport ranked 4th in J.D. Power's survey Wednesday, May 23, 2007 Susan Vinella Plain Dealer Reporter Some of us grumble about our airport, but frequent fliers say we have it pretty good. For the second consecutive year, travelers surveyed by marketing research giant J.D. Power and Associates ranked Cleveland Hopkins International fourth among the nation's midsize airports. Could we be wrong? They rated us better than the likes of Tampa, Baltimore-Washington and Pittsburgh with its fancy Airmall. Our overall score of 698 out of 1,000 points even puts us ahead of some of the big boys, including Los Angeles, Newark and Orlando. Yes, our escalators don't always work and we patch carpets with duct tape, but 210 travelers passing through Hopkins between May 2006 and April 2007 overlooked most of that in rating us on nine categories. They gave five stars to the shopping, and four stars to the eateries. They consider the place generally accessible and clean. The only midsize airports that got better marks were Kansas City, Sacramento and New York's LaGuardia.
May 23, 200718 yr I know the full runway extension was postponed indefinitely, but maybe "indefinitely" should be sooner rather than later. Here's the first part of an article I found on the CBS website. The rest wasn't really relevant. U.S. Flights To China Will Double By 2012 WASHINGTON, May 23, 2007(CBS/AP) Daily passenger flights between the United States and China will more than double by 2012 and air cargo companies will have virtually unlimited access to China as part of an aviation agreement announced Wednesday. "Piece by piece, we are making it easier, cheaper and more convenient to fly people and ship goods between our two countries," Transportation Secretary Mary E. Peters said. Under the pact, U.S. carriers will be able to operate 23 daily roundtrip flights by 2012, up from 10 currently. The agreement will also allow the United States to designate three additional airlines to fly to China. UAL Corp.'s United Airlines won a new route that was awarded earlier this year. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/23/business/main2841869.shtml Even without the runway extension, I wonder if we could expect increased traffic at Hopkins due to shifted domestic flights.
May 24, 200718 yr I know the full runway extension was postponed indefinitely, but maybe "indefinitely" should be sooner rather than later. Here's the first part of an article I found on the CBS website. The rest wasn't really relevant. U.S. Flights To China Will Double By 2012 WASHINGTON, May 23, 2007(CBS/AP) Daily passenger flights between the United States and China will more than double by 2012 and air cargo companies will have virtually unlimited access to China as part of an aviation agreement announced Wednesday. "Piece by piece, we are making it easier, cheaper and more convenient to fly people and ship goods between our two countries," Transportation Secretary Mary E. Peters said. The accord was announced during high-level talks between the United States and China, known as the strategic economic dialogue, led by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and China's Vice Premier Wu Yi. Under the pact, U.S. carriers will be able to operate 23 daily roundtrip flights by 2012, up from 10 currently. The agreement will also allow the United States to designate three additional airlines to fly to China. UAL Corp.'s United Airlines won a new route that was awarded earlier this year. American Airlines, which bid unsuccessfully last year for a Dallas-Beijing route, has said it plans to bid in the future for new flights to China. Officials at Delta Air Lines Inc. say the Atlanta-based carrier is also eager to get a foothold in China. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/23/business/main2841869.shtml Even without the runway extension, I wonder if we could expect increased traffic at Hopkins due to shifted domestic flights. Cleveland could build a 15,000ft. runway and it wouldn't guarantee an Asian flight. There are lots of airports that have 11,000-12,000ft. runways for decades and never seen an commerical passenger flight to Asia. Typically cities in the East establish a multi-city presence in Europe before setting their sights on Tokyo and other Asian cities.
May 24, 200718 yr Typically cities in the East establish a multi-city presence in Europe before setting their sights on Tokyo and other Asian cities. Paris, London, and Amsterdam will be a start, but I'm not holding my breath for flights to Asia any time soon. I'm really more interested in a possible increase in domestic flights, depending on which airlines are allowed to fly to China. What say you about that?
May 24, 200718 yr well, we should *hopefully* see an announcement later today from the city and continental. continental execs have been in town since wednesday night and in meetings today, supposedly about the service increase, but who knows.
May 24, 200718 yr Typically cities in the East establish a multi-city presence in Europe before setting their sights on Tokyo and other Asian cities. Paris, London, and Amsterdam will be a start, but I'm not holding my breath for flights to Asia any time soon. I'm really more interested in a possible increase in domestic flights, depending on which airlines are allowed to fly to China. What say you about that? Confit, I'm not putting CLE down. I'm just saying that even if CLE had a long enough runway, it dosen't guarantee service to China. CAL would establish IAH-China service before CLE. (BTW, Newark-Shanghai got approval). Right now, in order for CAL to generate enough interest for Asia through CLE....we need a larger domestic transfer presence, like you said...and stable year-round CAL service to London, Paris and either Frankfurt or Amsterdam. On top of that CLE would need a European carrier to create competition...like a Lufthansa. You'd think if international service reached that level at CLE (along with the improvement in facilites), Asia would start to become a no-brainer. Problem is, right now Cleveland has one daily seasonal flight to London, along with one daily seasonal flight to Paris coming in '08. While better than no international service, it's pretty weak compared to quite a few airports, CVG included.
May 24, 200718 yr Confit, I'm not putting CLE down. Oh, don't worry, I didn't think you were. And "confit" is a way to prepare duck, not my name. :wink: Right now, in order for CAL to generate enough interest for Asia through CLE....we need a larger domestic transfer presence, like you said...and stable year-round CAL service to London, Paris and either Frankfurt or Amsterdam. On top of that CLE would need a European carrier to create competition...like a Lufthansa. You'd think if international service reached that level at CLE (along with the improvement in facilites), Asia would start to become a no-brainer. Problem is, right now Cleveland has one daily seasonal flight to London, along with one daily seasonal flight to Paris coming in '08. While better than no international service, it's pretty weak compared to quite a few airports, CVG included. I still don't think we're talking about the same thing, so I apologize for not being clear. I'm not talking about flights from Cleveland to China because, for the many reasons you've enumerated, I figured we probably won't see them in 2012 or any time soon, although the runway extension wouldn't hurt (which is what I was getting at in my first post.) I'm asking if CLE might see more domestic transfers because of China flights starting elsewhere. (Would there be a correlation? I don't know how the system works.) Something that just came to me: using your Houston-China example, do you think it's possible that Continental would shift some of IAH's European flights to CLE to make room for the new Asia flights? Maybe urbanlife is right, and Continental will answer some of these questions for me.
May 25, 200718 yr Hopkins may gain flights, 711 jobs Ohio offers Continental aid for $45 million proposal to enlarge its local hub Friday, May 25, 2007 Susan VinellaPlain Dealer Reporter Continental Airlines might expand one of its three U.S. hubs, which could mean additional flights and more than 700 new jobs at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. The state of Ohio awarded a grant this week to the airline for a proposed $45 million expansion project at Hopkins, which Continental said would add an unspecified number of flights and 711 new jobs. Cleveland Hopkins, Continental's Midwest hub, is competing with the airline's other hubs in Houston and Newark, N.J., for the expansion. A spokeswoman for Continental said the airline has made no decisions, and the financial incentives it receives will help determine where it expands its business. Earlier this month, the Ohio House of Representatives passed a budget that included $1.5 million earmarked for Continental expansion at Hopkins. House Finance Committee Chairman Rep. Matthew Dolan, a Republican from Russell Township, said he helped direct the money to Hopkins because Continental's growth is critical to Northeast Ohio. The Senate must still approve the budget. If it is adopted, taxpayers will contribute a total of $2.4 million toward the project. In Continental's grant request to the state, the airline said an expansion would increase the number of flights and destinations, and allow more passengers to make connecting flights through Cleveland. Continental said the Hopkins project would include construction of new ticketing and passenger reception areas at a cost of about $35 million. An additional $10 million would go toward renovations, infrastructure and design costs. To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: [email protected], 216-999-5010 http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/118008188034110.xml&coll=2
May 25, 200718 yr Author Newark to me seems way too over-crowded and it seemed like there were a number of travelers on my Frankfurt flight back to the US that wished they landed elsewhere or were from Cleveland and wished Cleveland had more service. Given the fact that we've had consistent good ratings and we're expanding the runway this could be in our favor... I wonder when we find this out.
May 25, 200718 yr i don't like the fact that this is put as a "competition". even if newark offered to pay $30 million to expand or update the facilities, it doesn't solve the main issue: delays in the new york airspace. imo, CLE has to be a logical choice for at least some expansion. the fact that continental won't commit to that worries me a little bit. on the otherhand, they may just want to get as much $$ from the city/state. i'm still optimisitic, but this can't happen soon enough and it seems that they would want to coordinate this with the expansion of customs and the mall build out plan.
May 25, 200718 yr Confit, I'm not putting CLE down. Oh, don't worry, I didn't think you were. And "confit" is a way to prepare duck, not my name. :wink: Right now, in order for CAL to generate enough interest for Asia through CLE....we need a larger domestic transfer presence, like you said...and stable year-round CAL service to London, Paris and either Frankfurt or Amsterdam. On top of that CLE would need a European carrier to create competition...like a Lufthansa. You'd think if international service reached that level at CLE (along with the improvement in facilites), Asia would start to become a no-brainer. Problem is, right now Cleveland has one daily seasonal flight to London, along with one daily seasonal flight to Paris coming in '08. While better than no international service, it's pretty weak compared to quite a few airports, CVG included. I still don't think we're talking about the same thing, so I apologize for not being clear. I'm not talking about flights from Cleveland to China because, for the many reasons you've enumerated, I figured we probably won't see them in 2012 or any time soon, although the runway extension wouldn't hurt (which is what I was getting at in my first post.) I'm asking if CLE might see more domestic transfers because of China flights starting elsewhere. (Would there be a correlation? I don't know how the system works.) Something that just came to me: using your Houston-China example, do you think it's possible that Continental would shift some of IAH's European flights to CLE to make room for the new Asia flights? Maybe urbanlife is right, and Continental will answer some of these questions for me. Ah, I gotcha.Well, more flights from the US to China will probably increase everyones transfer traffic...but I don't think it'll be enough to be really noticable at CLE. As for IAH-China, I was just using it as an example of how far CLE will have to go before they can honestly see Asia flights, let alone China. CAL only operates one flight to the Pacific Rim from IAH: Houston-Tokyo Narita. Maybe they'll start a Houston-Beijing/Shanghai down the road, but I don't see it soon. With the FAA process, who really knows? Even with 2 Asian flights I can't see CAL transfering that much up European traffic to CLE.
May 25, 200718 yr As for CAL's grand announcemt, did it really surprise anyone? I don't really think CAL cares about CLE that much. I guarnatee those 711 jobs and this "expansion announcement" will probably go to IAH in a few years, after they get their facilites issues straightened out. As for this idea of "a plan of expansion", that's too funny. EWR never stops expanding....check out the CAL website...it's EWR-to this new place and that announcements never end.
June 26, 200717 yr PD: Ohio offers Continental $16 million in aid Seeks to lure expanded hub to Hopkins Tuesday, June 26, 2007 Susan Vinella Plain Dealer Reporter Ohio has offered Continental Airlines a financial package worth $16 million to expand its hub at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. The offer - a combination of grants, loans, tax credits and hiring services - is designed to persuade the airline to choose Hopkins over hubs in Houston and Newark, N.J. The $50 million project would add an unspecified number of flights and create 700 jobs. A letter from Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher to Continental disclosed for the first time that taxpayers might invest millions of dollars to renovate and build new ticketing and passenger reception areas for Continental. Until now, the state had confirmed only a $900,000 grant to the airline. Continental spokeswoman Mary Clark has said a decision on whether to expand the Cleveland hub, or one of the airline's other mainland hubs, will rely heavily on public investment. On Monday, Clark said in a prepared statement, "We appreciate the incentives offered by the state of Ohio, and those incentives are certainly something we are considering as we make a decision on growth of our Cleveland hub." Continental estimates the expansion could include $35 million in construction, $4 million for renovations and $4 million for new machinery and equipment, according to the airline's request for state money. The $16 million from Ohio could help defray those costs. To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: [email protected], 216-999-5010
June 26, 200717 yr This is a step in the right directions, but do we have any idea what Newark & Houston are going to offer? I would imagine they'll try to match/beat this number.
June 26, 200717 yr They'll probably try to beat this offer, luckily we still have less congestion over at least Newark. Does anyone remember when they'll announce the final plans.
June 26, 200717 yr Maybe they'll pick Cleveland solely on the fact that we have such witty slogans and signs in our airport such as the one I noticed yesterday when I flew in, it was a sticker on the bottom corner of the bathroom mirror that said "We put the CLE in CLEan" Ha.
June 26, 200717 yr There was an article in the PD today about airport delays this summer. A couple weeks ago, there was an article about how Hopkins ranked high in delayed flights. The PD did an amazing job :roll: at leaving out an important point that perhaps we had a bunch of delays because there are approx. 200 +/- arriving and departing flights every day betwen CLE and Chicago's airports and the major Bos-Wash airports. Those cities' airports are notorious for delays and while it's true that we might "technically" have delays, let's not attribute them to CLE. Anyways, we all know CLE is a breeze but some much needed/wanted growth will only do good for the airport and region.
June 26, 200717 yr There was an article in the PD today about airport delays this summer. A couple weeks ago, there was an article about how Hopkins ranked high in delayed flights. The PD did an amazing job :roll: at leaving out an important point that perhaps we had a bunch of delays because there are approx. 200 +/- arriving and departing flights every day betwen CLE and Chicago's airports and the major Bos-Wash airports. Those cities' airports are notorious for delays and while it's true that we might "technically" have delays, let's not attribute them to CLE. Anyways, we all know CLE is a breeze but some much needed/wanted growth will only do good for the airport and region. I agree last week i had to go to Paris. I dreaded going to Newark. The only reason i was able to tolerate the trip to newark is the international departures / arrivals are rarely delayed. In Newark, from the time we pushed back to wheels up it was approximately 45 minutes. I thought that damn IKEA sign would be burned into my retina! There were 28 planes in front of us then we somehow cut about 10 then when I looked back there must have been a line of 30-40 planes behind us. Those delays are starting to wear thin on passengers not only at continental but Jet Blue, Delta and American at JFK. Almost all my flights CLE to LGA, we have to wait after pushback due to "traffic in the New York airspace". It's annoying to sit on the ground for as long or longer than than the actual flight time (55-60 minutes) of that particular flight. :x :x Those flights are packed and uncomfortable. Everytime I go to Newark, on the board every flight to/from ATL, BOS, IAD, BWI, DCA, CLT, DFW & MDW as well as many Caribbean flight were delayed because of ATC. This could be avoided if Continental shifted some of those domestic flights to Cleveland and increase the CLE-EWR Flights to hourly. Continental could continue to grow internationally while CLE could funnel enough traffic for non stop flights to premier European, Canadian & S. American markets.
June 26, 200717 yr ^I would say Frankfurt. that should be the next one it tries to get Ditto. There are alot of companies the Cleveland Clinic and Sherwin-Williams does business with in Frankfurt. Although, Amsterdamn, Honolulu and Tel Aviv make sense as well
June 27, 200717 yr There was an article in the PD today about airport delays this summer. A couple weeks ago, there was an article about how Hopkins ranked high in delayed flights. The PD did an amazing job :roll: at leaving out an important point that perhaps we had a bunch of delays because there are approx. 200 +/- arriving and departing flights every day betwen CLE and Chicago's airports and the major Bos-Wash airports. Those cities' airports are notorious for delays and while it's true that we might "technically" have delays, let's not attribute them to CLE. Anyways, we all know CLE is a breeze but some much needed/wanted growth will only do good for the airport and region. I agree last week i had to go to Paris. I dreaded going to Newark. The only reason i was able to tolerate the trip to newark is the international departures / arrivals are rarely delayed. In Newark, from the time we pushed back to wheels up it was approximately 45 minutes. I thought that damn IKEA sign would be burned into my retina! There were 28 planes in front of us then we somehow cut about 10 then when I looked back there must have been a line of 30-40 planes behind us. Those delays are starting to wear thin on passengers not only at continental but Jet Blue, Delta and American at JFK. Almost all my flights CLE to LGA, we have to wait after pushback due to "traffic in the New York airspace". It's annoying to sit on the ground for as long or longer than than the actual flight time (55-60 minutes) of that particular flight. :x :x Those flights are packed and uncomfortable. But on the board every flight to/from ATL, BOS, IAD, BWI, DCA, CLT, DFW & MDW as well as many Caribbean flight were delayed because of ATC. This could be avoided if Continental shifted some of those domestic flights to Cleveland and increase the CLE-EWR Flights to hourly. Continental could continue to grow internationally while CLE could funnel enough traffic for non stop flights to premier European, Canadian & S. American markets. Sounds like its time for a UO letter writing campaign to Continental.
June 28, 200717 yr Author I've sent my comment card to Continental about getting service to Frankfurt. It would be nice to be connected to the center of Europe and also's the continent's main hub airport heh...
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