June 28, 200717 yr you didn't hear it from me but you can also send information to Scott O'Leary Managing Director, Customer Experience Continental Airlines [email protected]
June 28, 200717 yr I've sent my comment card to Continental about getting service to Frankfurt. It would be nice to be connected to the center of Europe and also's the continent's main hub airport heh... I kinda get nervous when I see men in army uniforms and sub machine guns walking around a airport concourse. With Munich you get a new airport plus better acces to the south were alot of clevelanders are from.
July 13, 200717 yr Just a flashback... I remember flying to Chicago to visit my uncle when I was little when United flew multiple DC-10s, 767s, and 757s between the two cities. This was a recent as early late 90's early 2000. Ah memories...
July 13, 200717 yr Yup, United used to have daily 767 service between CLE and ORD in the mid-late 90s. Before that, DC-10s also made the short hop, as cle2032 mentioned. UA still sends 757s to CLE every now and then, depending on the schedule. This past spring had 757 service to ORD on UA, but after a systemwide domestic capacity cut, the 757s were placed on other routes.
July 13, 200717 yr Just a flashback... I remember flying to Chicago to visit my uncle when I was little when United flew multiple DC-10s, 767s, and 757s between the two cities. This was a recent as early late 90's early 2000. Ah memories... Are you 15 years old?? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 13, 200717 yr who knew? I just remember TWA and Eastern. I don't think we flew United very often. We also used USAir until Continental won the turf battle and USAir decided to move the majority of their flights to pittsburgh
July 13, 200717 yr No I'm 23 and yes I rememer flying widebodies on a 45 min. flight. He is a 747 pilot based out of SFO now but we'd use his companion passes back then and sometimes were bumped b/c of full flights. How times have changed! I remember back when I was 7 and I flew for the first time, we took a DC10 to ORD then a 737 ORD-Ontario, CA. Even back then I thought it was weird to take such a small plane for a 5x flight.
July 13, 200717 yr KJP, I thought you knew who I was... :cry: :wink: Remember on the last tour my friend from Skokie visited and she talked to your Chicago friend?
July 13, 200717 yr KJP, I thought you knew who I was... :cry: :wink: Remember on the last tour my friend from Skokie visited and she talked to your Chicago friend? Barely. When you get to 40 and encounter as many people as I do from week to week on the job, you can't remember people's names, let alone their forum names. Sorry! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 13, 200717 yr Barely. When you get to 40 and encounter as many people as I do from week to week on the job, you can't remember people's names, let alone their forum names. Sorry! KJP, I feel your pain. I make my assistant take pictures of people and then add the picture their contact so in the event i'm alone I know who I am talking too. Memory is the first thing to go...........
July 13, 200717 yr You said that wrong. Say it... "The first thing to go with age is, um, the ah, um, oh yeah...The memory!!" "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 13, 200717 yr You said that wrong. Say it... "The first thing to go with age is, um, the ah, um, oh yeah...The memory!!" I stand corrected
July 13, 200717 yr Hopkins works to make restrooms accessible to handicapped Posted by Grant Segall July 13, 2007 17:50PM A Gulf Coast woman linked by love to the North Coast got some good news today about handicapped toilets here. But Kim Rankine still doesn't feel that she and her wheelchair are welcome at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. "I'm quite disappointed," she said by telephone, after more than a year's crusade against Hopkins, where she and her boyfriend land to visit his family here. "I just hope they make the renovations to accommodate me and all the other handicapped people who travel." In an email, lawyer Jack Arnold said Hopkins had fixed a glitch Rankine found in a Web site about handicapped facilities. He also promised grab bars and handicap signs as needed by late next week. Spokeswoman Pat Smith said the work is part of a six-year project to renovate all of Hopkins's bathrooms by mid-2008. Rankine, 38, lives in St. Petersburg, Fla. Five years ago, she was disabled in a motorcycle crash. In March 2006 she came through Hopkins with her boyfriend, Joe Braun. They landed at Concourse C, and Rankine says she couldn't find an accessible stall or an attendant there. She finally got help with a regular stall from a fellow female traveler. Back home, Rankine complained to the U.S. government. Soon Nancy Cibic of the Federal Aviation Administration found Hopkins to be in compliance with the minimum requirements of the Americans with Disabilities Act. The act requires just one handicapped stall per airport. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/07/hopkins_works_to_make_restroom.html
July 14, 200717 yr http://www.cleveland.com/sun/westsidesunnews/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1184258518286670.xml&coll=3 Airport changes could be noisy Thursday, July 12, 2007 By Ken Prendergast West Side Sun News Starting July 19 and continuing for 90 days, some air traffic will be taking different flight paths and angles in and out of Hopkins International Airport. The result could be increased aircraft noise for some communities surrounding Hopkins, airport officials said. The reason for the change in air traffic patterns is because of construction work on Runway 6R-24L. Of the three runways aligned from northeast to southwest, Runway 6R-24L is closest to the airport's terminals. That runway will be "decoupled" from the east-west runway, next to and parallel with Brookpark Road. To do so means shortening the 9,000-foot runway at its northeast end. To compensate for that loss and to increase the runway's total length by 956 feet to accommodate more international flights, Runway 6R-24L will be lengthened at its southwest end. Any work not completed at the end of the 90-day period will be wrapped up once the weather breaks in spring 2008, said Steve Nagy, the airport's chief of planning and engineering. "Anytime you have a runway intersection, you have the potential for safety problems including (aircraft) incursions," he said. "Wherever you can, you need to disconnect these runways." The project is the last piece of Hopkins' airfield plan that the Federal Aviation Administration approved in 2000. It will permit more nonstop service to Europe, including year-round flights to London Gatwick and seasonal flights to Paris. Nagy said additional international services are being considered but couldn't elaborate. For a larger image, see: http://www.clevelandairport.com/Portals/images/default/Ry%206R%20uncoupling%20070720-071018.pdf "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 14, 200717 yr wow...that center runway has been closed for the longest as its the shortest and they can't have parallel take offs and landing using that runway. I hope this doesn't cause delays during rush hours. I'm just glad they are separating the RJ landing runway (in yellow on KJPs map) from the other. It is quite scary to land on that runway, while watching a larger jet coming right at you from the south and the fast breaks they have to put on. Its a little scary, worst than landing at LaGuardia or Reagan airports, IMO.
July 16, 200717 yr Continental Airlines Applies to Fly Nonstop Between New York/Newark and Shanghai, China in Spring 2009 Also proposes through flight service between Cleveland and Shanghai HOUSTON, July 16 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL) today submitted its application to the Department of Transportation (DOT) to provide the first nonstop U.S. carrier service between the financial and commercial centers of the U.S. and China, New York/Newark and Shanghai. Continental will also provide through flight service between Cleveland and Shanghai. Continental seeks the route award as part of a new landmark aviation agreement officially signed July 9, 2007, which provides extensive additional air service opportunities between the U.S. and China over the next six years. "Continental again congratulates the DOT on securing the multiple rights for additional competitive U.S. airline service to China which Continental intends to utilize in 2009, by offering daily nonstop service in the most significant U.S.-China market that lacks daily nonstop U.S. carrier service," said Chairman and CEO Larry Kellner. The proposed route from Continental's New York hub at Newark Liberty International Airport will provide additional customer choices for air service to Shanghai from the New York/New Jersey region and the entire northeastern region of the U.S. The new route will serve the large Asian and Chinese American population residing in the New York City/Newark area and the largest population base in the U.S. in which passengers have been forced to use connecting flights or less-than-daily foreign carrier service for their travel needs between the U.S. financial capital and the rapidly expanding Chinese financial capital of Shanghai. Continental's New York/Newark-Shanghai service, with through-flight service between Cleveland and Shanghai, will also provide convenient connecting service to destinations through its New York hub at Newark Liberty. "Continental is pleased to continue working with the federal, state and locally elected officials from our Cleveland and northern Ohio hub market to bring additional international air service opportunities to the region," said Kellner. "Businesses in northern Ohio, just like those in New York and New Jersey that compete in today's global marketplace, stand to gain from the benefits that international air service provides," Kellner added. Ohio is home to 60 Fortune 1000 companies and the Cleveland area is home to vital Fortune 100 companies including Goodyear Tire and Rubber, International Steel Group and Sherwin Williams. Continental plans to operate the nonstop flight daily with a Boeing 777 aircraft with 285 seats on the following tentative schedule: Flight Number: Departs: Arrives: CO 87 New York/Newark: 11:50 am Shanghai: 2:05 pm next day CO 86 Shanghai: 4:05 pm New York/Newark: 6:30 pm Continental's Cleveland-New York/Newark-Shanghai market is well supported among the airline's communities, business partners and employees. Continental thanks its many early supporters including: Newark Regional Business Partnership The entire New Jersey Congressional Delegation 10 Ohio Congressional Members New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine Ohio Governor Ted Strickland Ohio Lieutenant Governor Lee Fisher Texas Governor Rick Perry Newark Mayor Cory Booker Elizabeth Mayor Christian Bollwage Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson President of the New Jersey Senate Richard Codey Speaker of the New Jersey General Assembly Joseph Roberts New Jersey Legislative Leadership President of the Ohio Senate Bill Harris Speaker of the Ohio House of Representatives Jon Husted Ohio Legislative Leadership Speaker of the Texas House of Representatives Tom Craddick Cleveland Council President Martin Sweeney Cleveland City Councilman Kevin Kelley Cleveland City Council Aviation Committee New Jersey Alliance for Action New Jersey State Chamber of Commerce New Jersey Business & Industry Association Commerce & Industry Association of New Jersey Gateway Regional Chamber of Commerce Chamber of Commerce of Southern New Jersey Greater Elizabeth Chamber of Commerce Ohio Chamber of Commerce Greater Cleveland Partnership Continental has also sent to the DOT over 13,000 employee letters supporting Continental's request for Shanghai service. Continental Airlines is the world's fifth largest airline. Continental, together with Continental Express and Continental Connection, has more than 3,100 daily departures throughout the Americas, Europe and Asia, serving 144 domestic and 138 international destinations. More than 400 additional points are served via SkyTeam alliance airlines. With more than 44,000 employees, Continental has hubs serving New York, Houston, Cleveland and Guam, and together with Continental Express, carries approximately 67 million passengers per year. Continental consistently earns awards and critical acclaim for both its operation and its corporate culture. For more company information, visit continental.com. SOURCE Continental Airlines CONTACT: Corporate Communications of Continental Airlines, Houston: +1-713-324-5080, [email protected]
July 16, 200717 yr Awesome! So next year we get Paris and the following year Shanghai? Keep 'em coming! There will be lots of Americans coming back with Chinese babies on those flights! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 17, 200717 yr This is great news!! Just one question, because I'm a little confused... the flight from Cleveland to Shanghai will not be nonstop?
July 17, 200717 yr This is great news!! Just one question, because I'm a little confused... the flight from Cleveland to Shanghai will not be nonstop? No. CLE-EWR then EWR-Shanghai. Mostly like same flight number but you'll physically need to change planes in Newark.
July 17, 200717 yr ^so, this really isn't that great. If you need to change planes, then I don't see why it is such an advantage over connecting through any other large international hub city. Maybe its cheaper and the timing works out a bit better.
July 17, 200717 yr ^so, this really isn't that great. If you need to change planes, then I don't see why it is such an advantage over connecting through any other large international hub city. Maybe its cheaper and the timing works out a bit better. Its the idea that CLE will actually be marketed at the "start" of the trip. Most non frequent travelers will think they are going (xxx - )CLE - Shanghai. This isn't the first time an airline has marketed a flight as AAA-BBB, when in acuality its AAA - (BBB) - CCC. I think the term is "direct flight" I'm hoping that the flight will be a 777 CLE to EWR as it appears to be marketed, then the conecting passengers will get on the same 777 to Shanghai. Also, not all american airlines can fly to Shanghai. So getting this service is a plus. It will open up a lot of chinese business opportunity and enhance those already in place and the city can possibly/hopefully market itself as a sister city to Shanghai.
July 17, 200717 yr Continental will also provide through flight service between Cleveland and Shanghai. My experience with rail service says that when a "through train" is offered, it's a one-seat ride. That's what the above sentence from the press release means to me -- it's a one-seat ride from Cleveland to Shanghai with a stop in Newark. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 17, 200717 yr Continental will also provide through flight service between Cleveland and Shanghai. My experience with rail service says that when a "through train" is offered, it's a one-seat ride. That's what the above sentence from the press release means to me -- it's a one-seat ride from Cleveland to Shanghai with a stop in Newark. Thats it. However, not knowing the equipment to be used it could also mean same flight number - two different planes which happens often.
July 17, 200717 yr I remember back when I was a wee little 18 y/o going to Paris for the 1st time (this was WAY back when USAir had a huge hub at PIT) and the gate agents announced, "Bonjour Mesdames et messieurs, bienvenue au vol numero....blah blah blah a destination de Paris Charles de Gaulle..." That's when it really hit me that I was going! I can't wait to hear French in Concourse C!!! CLE needs some cool sound effects for announcements like CDG. They're space-like noises...Kinda cool.
July 17, 200717 yr nothing is as scary as landing at MDW during rain or snow! Hell even on a hot summer day a plane has to take off in the middle of landing b/c it can't slow down enough
July 17, 200717 yr Hurray for international flights! Now if we can only get more/better flights to the left coast. I still want berlin/Frankfort, Rome, Madrid, HNL & Tel Aviv and some year round carib locations.
July 17, 200717 yr nothing is as scary as landing at MDW during rain or snow! Hell even on a hot summer day a plane has to take off in the middle of landing b/c it can't slow down enough I've landed at MDW plenty of those time in those conditions and I still say that lil runway is worse. The only other scary takeoff/landing is St. Marteen where you appear to be crashing into a mountain or the water or you going to kill the idoits in the flight path on the beach who are plane watching.
July 18, 200717 yr I wish they'd take care of getting non-stop flights to every major city in the USA before tackling the rest of the world.
July 18, 200717 yr the through service to shanghai is proposed on 2 different planes - a 737 from CLE to EWR and the 777 from EWR to Shanghai. the crazy part is the connect times are only scheduled at 90 minutes on the return. that is aggressive through EWR - especially when clearing customs and rechecking baggage as i'd assume you'd have to do with the plane change. roughly page 18 in this pdf: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p101/476691.pdf
July 18, 200717 yr Then how is that "through" service? That's "connecting" service in my book. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 18, 200717 yr I wish they'd take care of getting non-stop flights to every major city in the USA before tackling the rest of the world. AMEN! AMEN!
July 18, 200717 yr Then how is that "through" service? That's "connecting" service in my book. thats how the airlines are allowed to market it. I know the IAH to CDG flight and one or two other from IAH are operated as "through" service.
July 18, 200717 yr Author well then i guess we have through service to Frankfurt because that flight to Shanghai is basically the same type of plane transfer along with the in between flight times. it should be noted though that when I left for Germany I was checked in Cleveland through customs, but as long as I stayed in the gated area at Newark I didnt have to be checked again.
July 18, 200717 yr thats how the airlines are allowed to market it. I know the IAH to CDG flight and one or two other from IAH are operated as "through" service. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 18, 200717 yr I'd rather have Paris, Amsterdam or Tel Aviv before Portland, OR or Sacramento! Yeah so would I, but Cleveland doesn't have the O&D traffic to have a year round profittable CLE-XXX flight. I myself am still trying to figure out what information continental used to determine that Paris traffic warranted a non stop, when I'm it feels like Amsterdam, Berlin, Frankfort, Tel Aviv, Honolulu or San Juan had higher numbers. Until Cleveland gets more domestic non stop routes, without cannibalizing Newark, AND continental gets more planes* we won't see much international expansion because we don't have the O&D traffic. However, the catch 22 is Newark is notorious for ATC holds and weather related ground delays. So the faster Cleveland upgrades it terminal and airfield the better position we will be to handle more flights, period. Unless its from USAir3000 or JetBlue (to one of its carribbean destinations) or some other international carrier (if enticed to start operations in Cleveland), which could happen with the marketing fund that has been created. * continental has stated that they just don't have the planes to have more service out of Cleveland as Newark is their priority hub. and people wont fly on a regional jet for an extended amount of time on long routes (deep south & West Coast) that are needed for expansion out of Cleveland. thats why some routes for example CLE to MIA (seasonal), DAL, Alabama, Mississippi are not profitable out of Cleveland because they are on regional jets.
July 18, 200717 yr We're our own worst enemy. Why is 2007 nearly over and the biggest upgrades at Hopkins-w/ the exception of Concourse D-over the past 30 years has been new carpet, signs, garage, and canopy that shows bird droppings? Ok, well rhetorical question there. It's ridiculous that it seems as if CLE people are finally "getting it". All we can do is cross our fingers and hope the airline industry-esp. Continental-continues to grow at a healthy rate so we can see a modest growth at CLE. As far as something shiny and new like Detroit-but W/ rail connection :wink:-That'd probably be at least 15 years away...if ever honestly. Who the F was running things back when all of you UOers were my age?!?! :wink:
July 18, 200717 yr You can't soley blame Cleveland or its leaders on the short coming of hopkins. Until the Mok adminstration the people in charge of Hopkins were not avaiation professionals. Most airlines have their hubs in their home city and the way that dehubbing of Stapleton was handled Hopkins didn't have the runway capacity to move the majority of the flights from Stapleton to Cleveland so Houston got the majority of flights, then Cleveland started to ramp up after the complete pull out of United. The 80s screwed ups but all I can say is the further Newark goes down the toilet, the better Cleveland will be. I know a ton of people who connect via Cleveland to avoid newark at all cost. whenever I fly to Newark domestically I fly to LGA since I know that its slotted and the ATC ground halts wont be nearly as bad as the newark ground halts. Newark has gotten so bad that on my two of my last few international flights we actually had to bypass Newark and land in Cleveland.
July 19, 200717 yr We're our own worst enemy. Why is 2007 nearly over and the biggest upgrades at Hopkins-w/ the exception of Concourse D-over the past 30 years has been new carpet, signs, garage, and canopy that shows bird droppings? Ok, well rhetorical question there. Actually, an inaccurate question, though city leaders were definitely asleep at the switch for the 20-30 years prior - do a Google search on the Jetport-in-Lake Erie plan. Here's some images to show what has changed with the airfield just since 2000.... Scematic of Hopkins airfield in about 2000 (which also shows the new runway 6L-24R that allows simultaneous takeoffs/landings): Aerial of Hopkins' airfield in 2001; you can see construction has started for the first runway extension to the lower-left of Abrams Creek: The plan back then for the airfield: A Google Earth view of Hopkins in 2004, with the propopsed runway extensions shown: A clean copy of the above image: Hopkins airfield today showing the next stage of construction, now underway, to extend Runway 6R-24L almost 1,000 feet and uncouple it from the east-way Runway 10-28: For a larger image, see: http://www.clevelandairport.com/Portals/images/default/Ry%206R%20uncoupling%20070720-071018.pdf The above image was used in my article about this project and posted at: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=6248.msg199386#msg199386 As you can see, there's been A LOT of changes at Hopkins in recent years, and which are the result of significant financial capital investments in the airport's infrastructure. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 19, 200717 yr Help Continental Serve Shanghai Electronic Petition http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/content/company/petition.aspx?SID=63F1AB37F7494C2EA4C247088AD6F07D We're asking for your help in supporting Continental's new route to Shanghai, China, proposed to begin March 25, 2009. Competition is strong among U.S. airlines wanting to serve China with one of four daily flights that become available in 2009. Continental has proposed daily Cleveland-New York/Newark-Shanghai flights with connecting service throughout our network. The U.S. Department of Transportation will make its decision based on factors including community support and the amount of business the new route will generate. Show your support for Continental by signing your name to our electronic petition* that will be submitted to the U.S. Department of Transportation. Plus, don't forget to tell your family, friends and colleagues about the prospect for Continental's new flight to Shanghai. *Your name will only be used for this petition process. You will not be contacted by Continental for any other purpose http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/content/company/shanghai.aspx
July 19, 200717 yr From newsnet5.com: New Airline Could Land In Cleveland CLEVELAND -- A new airline could be landing in Cleveland, NewsChannel5 reported. Virgin Airlines said its new branch, Virgin America, is considering setting up a counter and gates at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. The upstart airline has been given the green light by the U.S. Department of Transportation to begin operations, and is now selling tickets to San Francisco, New York, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C. and Las Vegas. Virgin America is promising low fares and perks such as brand-new planes with cutting-edge in-flight entertainment, leather seats, massage chairs and mood lighting. The airline plans to serve 10 U.S. cities within a year of operation and up to 30 cities within five years. Cities under consideration include: Atlanta, Austin, Baltimore, Boston, Charlotte, Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Fort Lauderdale, Fort Myers, Hartford, Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Miami, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Nashville, Newark, New Orleans, Orlando, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Pittsburgh, Providence, Portland, Ore., Raleigh-Durham, Sacramento, Salt Lake City, San Antonio, San Jose, Calif., Sarasota, Seattle, St. Louis, Tampa and West Palm Beach. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
July 19, 200717 yr I saw that but I didn't post because it's not international expansion. Word on the Street is Virgin is looking to take on United and to a lesser degree JetBlue.
July 19, 200717 yr It's still expansion! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 19, 200717 yr Virgin is looking to take on United Makes sense, United is really a mess these days. That Mesa airlines that runs a lot of United Express stuff is really bad. Shanghai surprise! I got the same online petition type thing from American for Shanghai service from Chicago.
July 19, 200717 yr Virgin is looking to take on United Makes sense, United is really a mess these days. That Mesa airlines that runs a lot of United Express stuff is really bad. Shanghai surprise! I got the same online petition type thing from American for Shanghai service from Chicago. Mesa does "connections" flights for various airlines and they are horrible! I think all airlines are trying to get they Frequent Flyers to sign their various forms of petitions.
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