Is it just me, or has Frank been a lot more openly active lately

And what have YOU done about this MTS. Have you written the mayor or the airport director to suggest this. ;)

 

I'm all over it Blanche! LOL

 

Ironically, the airport director isn't on the committee, but Fred Nance is. Asinine!

 

The article above doesn't necessarily state Ricky Smith isn't going to be on the committee. It states that 12 people will serve on the committee, and only 5 are listed. I would be surprised if Smith wasn't on there.

Trust me.  I'd already planned on voicing my opinion (also known as bitchin') and without further information, this "committee" is useless and missing several key players.

Cleveland Hopkins International Airport begins some new coffee, food options Wednesday

 

Changes part of plans for new Airmall

Tuesday, January 13, 2009

Joe Guillen

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

If you are stuck waiting for a flight this winter at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, you will have some different, lesser-known coffee and food options to pick from.

 

Goodbye Starbucks, Burger King and Sbarro pizza.

 

Hello Caffé Siena, Prime-1 Slider Co. and Mia Nonna Pizzeria.

 

Those new places, and five others, will be temporary replacements for the coffee and fast-food staples. They open Wednesday.

 

Hopkins will introduce a new food and beverage lineup this spring, as the airport's plan for a new Airmall progresses.

 

The transition is part of the airport's long-term strategy to lure more passengers with new restaurants and shops. Its new concessions and retail manager, BAA Cleveland, was awarded a 10-year contract early last year to develop the Airmall.

 

Other Airmalls mix regional fare - a Quaker Steak & Lube in Pittsburgh, a Sam Adams Bar in Boston, a Bill Bateman's Bistro in Baltimore - with national restaurants.

 

They also have stores like Brooks Brothers, the Gap and Victoria's Secret.

While the departure of Starbucks and the other establishments will disappoint some travelers, airport officials promise the unnamed long-term replacements - "popular local and national brands" - will not disappoint.

 

 

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

[email protected], 216-999-4675.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1231839021183500.xml&coll=2

Ritz Carlton and Red Lobster.

Never thought I would see those two brand names in a sentence together.

"A news release announcing the ubiquitous coffee-maker's departure said HMSHost has an exclusive partnership with Starbucks in airports."

 

And yet Starbucks is at two other BAA airports, Boston and Baltimore, so maybe they will eventually reach an agreement to bring them back.

"A news release announcing the ubiquitous coffee-maker's departure said HMSHost has an exclusive partnership with Starbucks in airports."

 

And yet Starbucks is at two other BAA airports, Boston and Baltimore, so maybe they will eventually reach an agreement to bring them back.

 

Why is everyone freaking out about Starbucks leaving?? Reading the comments on cleveland.sh*thole, you'd think that it was the end of the world and that CLE was the entrance to hell itself because STARBUCKS is leaving.

 

Who cares?? I think it's such a great opportunity for CLE to bring in some local options like Phoenix, which, in my opinion, has way better coffee anyway. Welcome people to Cleveland by introducing them to some better local options that Cleveland has to offer, get them hooked, then tell them about other locations in the city so they can visit those during their stay.

 

That's just my opinion, obviously, but I personally would much rather have local options than these fast food places. I'm not saying get rid of all of them. But why moan about losing a Sbarro's or a Starbucks that EVERY place in America has!

"A news release announcing the ubiquitous coffee-maker's departure said HMSHost has an exclusive partnership with Starbucks in airports."

 

And yet Starbucks is at two other BAA airports, Boston and Baltimore, so maybe they will eventually reach an agreement to bring them back.

 

Why is everyone freaking out about Starbucks leaving?? Reading the comments on cleveland.sh*thole, you'd think that it was the end of the world and that CLE was the entrance to hell itself because STARBUCKS is leaving.

 

Who cares?? I think it's such a great opportunity for CLE to bring in some local options like Phoenix, which, in my opinion, has way better coffee anyway.

 

WHO THE F--K CARES???  Those complaining are probably not frequent airport users anyway.

 

Those that complain the most are most like the least knowledgable about the subject.  The same people that show up with their shoes, belts, jewelery on, then complain.

How often do you actually eat/buy something when you fly?  (This is a serious question).  I typically get there, go to my gate, wait the 20-30 mins, and leave.. I rarely buy something from these shops at any airport, since I rarely take flights that have layovers.

How often do you actually eat/buy something when you fly? (This is a serious question). I typically get there, go to my gate, wait the 20-30 mins, and leave.. I rarely buy something from these shops at any airport, since I rarely take flights that have layovers.

 

Relatively frequently. It depends on when I fly. If I'm leaving right after work and I don't have time to grab something to eat, I'll grab something at the airport. But otherwise, I'll usually just get a newspaper or something.

How often do you actually eat/buy something when you fly? (This is a serious question). I typically get there, go to my gate, wait the 20-30 mins, and leave.. I rarely buy something from these shops at any airport, since I rarely take flights that have layovers.

 

Don't forget all the people who have layovers in Cleveland on their Continental flights between small towns and other big cities.  Don't know how many times I've heard "Oh, you're from Cleveland?  Been to the airport but that's it."

How often do you actually eat/buy something when you fly?  (This is a serious question).  I typically get there, go to my gate, wait the 20-30 mins, and leave.. I rarely buy something from these shops at any airport, since I rarely take flights that have layovers.

 

Don't forget all the people who have layovers in Cleveland on their Continental flights between small towns and other big cities.  Don't know how many times I've heard "Oh, you're from Cleveland?  Been to the airport but that's it."

 

Most people I've spoke with from outside Ohio who have had layovers in CLE liked it, and the couple people who had negative thoughts about it were due to the flight delay, not the airport itself.

How often do you actually eat/buy something when you fly?  (This is a serious question).  I typically get there, go to my gate, wait the 20-30 mins, and leave.. I rarely buy something from these shops at any airport, since I rarely take flights that have layovers.

 

Me rarely.  I do the trip so often I've timed it perfectly, to get thru security and to the gate with 10 minutes to spare.  I'm usually the last person to board.  If there is a delay, I go to the PC.

How often do you actually eat/buy something when you fly? (This is a serious question). I typically get there, go to my gate, wait the 20-30 mins, and leave.. I rarely buy something from these shops at any airport, since I rarely take flights that have layovers.

 

Don't forget all the people who have layovers in Cleveland on their Continental flights between small towns and other big cities. Don't know how many times I've heard "Oh, you're from Cleveland? Been to the airport but that's it."

 

Most people I've spoke with from outside Ohio who have had layovers in CLE liked it, and the couple people who had negative thoughts about it were due to the flight delay, not the airport itself.

 

No doubt, but this isn't about making the Airport nicer, it's about getting people to spend more there.

No doubt, but this isn't about making the Airport nicer, it's about getting people to spend more there.

 

I disagree, the internal improvement will make the airport a nicer environment.

No doubt, but this isn't about making the Airport nicer, it's about getting people to spend more there.

 

I disagree, the internal improvement will make the airport a nicer environment.

 

Agreed.

How often do you actually eat/buy something when you fly?  (This is a serious question).  I typically get there, go to my gate, wait the 20-30 mins, and leave.. I rarely buy something from these shops at any airport, since I rarely take flights that have layovers.

 

Speaking as a strictly leisure traveler, I never buy anything from the shops. However, I always grab a small bite to eat and a beer or two - my partner isn't afraid of flying, just mildly nervous so the beers take the edge off.

No doubt, but this isn't about making the Airport nicer, it's about getting people to spend more there.

 

I disagree, the internal improvement will make the airport a nicer environment.

 

Well yes, of course this will make the airport nicer, but you disagree that the primary motivation is economic development and job/revenue creation? 

No doubt, but this isn't about making the Airport nicer, it's about getting people to spend more there.

 

I disagree, the internal improvement will make the airport a nicer environment.

 

Well yes, of course this will make the airport nicer, but you disagree that the primary motivation is economic development and job/revenue creation? 

 

Any for-profit business has the primary motive of creating additional revenue.  And while they will say it will create jobs, the last effect of minimum wage jobs has little meaning.

No doubt, but this isn't about making the Airport nicer, it's about getting people to spend more there.

 

I disagree, the internal improvement will make the airport a nicer environment.

 

Well yes, of course this will make the airport nicer, but you disagree that the primary motivation is economic development and job/revenue creation? 

 

I think both go hand in hand, especially in any airport's case. Airports are primarily utilitarian places: people go there primarily to go someplace else. You don't go there to shop, unless you 1) need to kill time during a layover or 2) need to buy something before or after a flight. I think an AirMall will mostly cater to those of the former category, those who have time to kill while waiting for a flight. The reasoning for sprucing up an airport does, at the end of the day, focus on efforts to increase sales by making it more of an attractive place to shop.

 

But how many people actually shop at AirMalls? What are sales like at these places? It would be interesting to know the economics of this. I mean, I can understand little gift, music or bookstores, but do people really buy things at places like The Gap at airports?

How often do you actually eat/buy something when you fly?  (This is a serious question).  I typically get there, go to my gate, wait the 20-30 mins, and leave.. I rarely buy something from these shops at any airport, since I rarely take flights that have layovers.

 

Speaking as a strictly leisure traveler, I never buy anything from the shops. However, I always grab a small bite to eat and a beer or two - my partner isn't afraid of flying, just mildly nervous so the beers take the edge off.

 

I think they are just trying to give people better options.  If you look at Newark, Houston IC, Detroit, IAD, ATL they have nice shops and the environment is relaxing, even if you don't go into an airport lounge.

 

Miami, LAX, CLT, BOS & BWI have all done things to their terminals to improve the aesthetic.

 

Cleveland is a hub and I personally know that clevelanders complain that when they tranfer via IAH or EWR those airports are move lively and inviting.  Clevelands airport is the worst of their domestic hubs.  We've got to catch up, not only to EWR and IAH but to other cities airports.

 

No doubt, but this isn't about making the Airport nicer, it's about getting people to spend more there.

 

I disagree, the internal improvement will make the airport a nicer environment.

 

Well yes, of course this will make the airport nicer, but you disagree that the primary motivation is economic development and job/revenue creation? 

 

I think both go hand in hand, especially in any airport's case. Airports are primarily utilitarian places: people go there primarily to go someplace else. You don't go there to shop, unless you 1) need to kill time during a layover or 2) need to buy something before or after a flight. I think an AirMall will mostly cater to those of the former category, those who have time to kill while waiting for a flight. The reasoning for sprucing up an airport does, at the end of the day, focus on efforts to increase sales by making it more of an attractive place to shop.

 

But how many people actually shop at AirMalls? What are sales like at these places? It would be interesting to know the economics of this. I mean, I can understand little gift, music or bookstores, but do people really buy things at places like The Gap at airports?

 

Pittsburgh airmall was so successful, that people would leave the city to shop there.

 

It's not about just the stores, but the restaurants and the "image" of the airport as well.

Any for-profit business has the primary motive of creating additional revenue.  And while they will say it will create jobs, the last effect of minimum wage jobs has little meaning.

 

OK, fine (I'm not a labor economist), but the first articles discussing the plan (http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/02/brooks_brothers_the_gap_victor.html) describe the hope that revenue raised from the rents could help offset landing fees increasing the airport's attractiveness to airlines.  I don't think we disagree about anything, my only point was that this isn't a beautification project meant to fix an unpleasant airport, it's designed to be a revenue-neutral (or better) economic development project.

I don't think we disagree about anything, my only point was that this isn't a beautification project meant to fix an unpleasant airport, it's designed to be a revenue-neutral (or better) economic development project.

 

I don't think anyone's disagreeing with you, either. We'd have to be naive if we thought it was just about making the airport prettier. It's always about the bottom line first, at the end of the day. Happier travelers make for happier spenders.

 

Pittsburgh airmall was so successful, that people would leave the city to shop there.

 

It's not about just the stores, but the restaurants and the "image" of the airport as well.

 

Yeah, I would have to think the model would be pretty successful if it's being replicated at airports across the country. So since it's been proven, this could be an exciting development for CLE. I'm not sure if it would change my spending habits, but if it works, it works.

How often do you actually eat/buy something when you fly?  (This is a serious question).  I typically get there, go to my gate, wait the 20-30 mins, and leave.. I rarely buy something from these shops at any airport, since I rarely take flights that have layovers.

 

Speaking as a strictly leisure traveler, I never buy anything from the shops. However, I always grab a small bite to eat and a beer or two - my partner isn't afraid of flying, just mildly nervous so the beers take the edge off.

 

I think they are just trying to give people better options.  If you look at Newark, Houston IC, Detroit, IAD, ATL they have nice shops and the environment is relaxing, even if you don't go into an airport lounge.

 

Miami, LAX, CLT, BOS & BWI have all done things to their terminals to improve the aesthetic.

 

Cleveland is a hub and I personally know that clevelanders complain that when they tranfer via IAH or EWR those airports are move lively and inviting.  Clevelands airport is the worst of their domestic hubs.  We've got to catch up, not only to EWR and IAH but to other cities airports.

 

No doubt, but this isn't about making the Airport nicer, it's about getting people to spend more there.

 

I disagree, the internal improvement will make the airport a nicer environment.

 

Well yes, of course this will make the airport nicer, but you disagree that the primary motivation is economic development and job/revenue creation? 

 

I think both go hand in hand, especially in any airport's case. Airports are primarily utilitarian places: people go there primarily to go someplace else. You don't go there to shop, unless you 1) need to kill time during a layover or 2) need to buy something before or after a flight. I think an AirMall will mostly cater to those of the former category, those who have time to kill while waiting for a flight. The reasoning for sprucing up an airport does, at the end of the day, focus on efforts to increase sales by making it more of an attractive place to shop.

 

But how many people actually shop at AirMalls? What are sales like at these places? It would be interesting to know the economics of this. I mean, I can understand little gift, music or bookstores, but do people really buy things at places like The Gap at airports?

 

Pittsburgh airmall was so successful, that people would leave the city to shop there.

 

It's not about just the stores, but the restaurants and the "image" of the airport as well.

 

But with this, you have to look at where it is located.. is it outside or past security?  Because the first thing I do is wanna make sure I get through security.. and if it's outside, they've already lost my business.

But with this, you have to look at where it is located.. is it outside or past security?  Because the first thing I do is wanna make sure I get through security.. and if it's outside, they've already lost my business.

 

Are you a shopper to begin with?

 

Here is a map of the pitss airport:  http://www.pitairport.com/terminal_maps

 

Most airports have coffee or light snack venues outside of security with more substantial offerings on the concourses.

Airports are primarily utilitarian places: people go there primarily to go someplace else.

 

Unfortunately that's Cleveland's attitude.  Airports and other transit-oriented building have always been and always will be a opportunities to test the boundaries in architecture, redefine the travel/work experience, and renew a city's image.  While it may not always be feasible to drop a couple $Billion (low estimate) on a new terminal complex, I think we can all agree that a true interior revamp is LONG overdue at CLE.  It reeks of complacency and in my opinion,  that is the worst stench!

I'm assuming this would be in the center between the concourses? I can't think of where else it would fit.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/pdgraphics/2008/02/06CGHOPKINS.pdf

I'm assuming this would be in the center between the concourses? I can't think of where else it would fit.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/pdgraphics/2008/02/06CGHOPKINS.pdf

 

That is the same space the current "mall" is located.  I understand they can build from the back wall back toward the airfield and there is unclaimed space in the area of concourse B.

Ritz Carlton and Red Lobster.

Never thought I would see those two brand names in a sentence together.

 

Intercontinental also uses royal cup. The difference in preceived quality likely comes from how often the coffee machines are cleaned.

Unfortunately that's Cleveland's attitude. Airports and other transit-oriented building have always been and always will be a opportunities to test the boundaries in architecture, redefine the travel/work experience, and renew a city's image.   While it may not always be feasible to drop a couple $Billion (low estimate) on a new terminal complex, I think we can all agree that a true interior revamp is LONG overdue at CLE. It reeks of complacency and in my opinion, that is the worst stench!

 

Airports are one of the major gateways to any large city.  While cities around the world have invested in new open, bright, airy terminals, most US cities have not.  Thomas Friedman commented in a column recently about how the old, cramped, terminals of most US cities give them the feel of a developing country-- except that many developing countries have built state-of-the-art airport terminals. 

 

If you want good infrastructure... you have to pay for it.  We've chosen debt and military empire instead of choosing to have world-class infrastructure.  We have only ourselves to blame. 

 

 

Airmall taking shape at Cleveland Hopkins

Thursday, February 05, 2009 By Joe Noga

[email protected]

West Side Sun News

http://www.cleveland.com/westsidesun/news/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1233848249213100.xml&coll=4

 

An international management and development company this week officially assumed control of concessions and retail sales at Cleveland Hopkins airport.

 

Throughout 2009 BAA Cleveland will transform the terminals at Hopkins into its Airmall model, bringing a combination of local and regional food selections and retail offerings to travelers and guests at the airport.

 

"BAA Cleveland is excited to share how the new Airmall will take shape and how it will enhance the passenger experience at Hopkins when it is completed," said Tina LaForte, vice-president of BAA Cleveland.

 

LaForte said the company's long-term plans include a mix of local, regional and national brands that will offer "regular mall prices" at the airport.

 

The city forged a 10-year contract with BAA Cleveland last year to develop and manage concessions at the airport. City leaders hope the new Airmall will double retail sales figures there and increase jobs.

 

 

Runway extension now open at Hopkins International Airport

Posted By:  Posted By: Michael O'Mara    Updated: 2/13/2009 7:33:32 AM  Posted: 2/12/2009 4:47:31 PM

 

CLEVELAND -- With a sleek Continental jet rolling toward the long blue ribbon and the line of dignitaries, this grand opening was dramatic and historic at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport.

 

 

 

It took 10 years of planning and construction to install the newly completed 9,956 feet of concrete for runway 6R/24L.

 

The cost of the project was $44.2 million. City officials pointed out that the project came in on time and $2 million under budget.

 

Seven years ago, then-Mayor Jane Campbell helped to open 24R/6L, Cleveland's first new runway in 48 years. But the FAA worried about the safety of jets crossing from one runway to the other.

 

Barry Cooper, FAA Regional Administrator said, "The question we needed to solve was how do you create airport geometry that decreases the chances that aircraft will cross paths in a way that would create an unsafe condition.

 

 

With the economy in trouble, that's not happening. Some wonder why spend millions of dollars when there are no non-stop flights to Europe from Hopkins Airport.

 

Business traveler Gary Horvath said, "I wouldn't mind seeing some long distance flights out of here. They just cancelled all the international flights from Hopkins."

 

 

http://www.wkyc.com/life/community/persona.aspx?plckPersonaPage=PersonaGalleryPhoto&plckUserId=cc3049208cf9443994ee2379b8e09bbf&U=cc3049208cf9443994ee2379b8e09bbf&plckPhotoID=106e4b79-e1db-45d1-813f-08f084a76c98&sid=sitelife.wkyc.com

Business traveler Gary Horvath said, "I wouldn't mind seeing some long distance flights out of here. They just cancelled all the international flights from Hopkins."

 

 

How did that inaccurate statement get on the air and in this print version unchecked? That's a big error!!

PD=pathetic daily

PD=pathetic daily

 

KJP's comment is regarding a "report" done by WKYC.

My bad

Business traveler Gary Horvath said, "I wouldn't mind seeing some long distance flights out of here. They just cancelled all the international flights from Hopkins."

 

 

How did that inaccurate statement get on the air and in this print version unchecked? That's a big error!!

 

Yeah, I guess Canada & Mexico aren't "international"  What a tool!  Besides in spring the London Heathrow flight will start.

Greetings,

 

I think we should have a topic dedicated general developments at CLE and BKL--this could include new (or changed/decreased) services, new airlines, physical changes--runways, customs, terminal improvements, etc.

 

Regarding stimulus funds, I came across these requests on a state of ohio site--not sure if they are requested to Ohio for submission (and filtering) or directly to Washington. For CLE and BKL, 3 projects were requested. The new customs facility at CLE was not one of them---already funded or scrapped idea?...not sure.

 

Here are the three projects:

 

CLE: Rehabilitation of Taxiway A - $2,700,000

 

This project allows for the rehabilitation of taxiway A at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. This work will include full removal and replacement of approximately 111,500 SF of the existing concrete pavement. The current condition of the asphalt pavement on Taxiway A is aging, with a current condition of 47 pavement condition index (pci). (On the pci index a score of 71-85 is considered satisfactory condition.) This condition will require improvement of the pavement to ensure the safety of the airport operation and the enhancement of the pavement condition for an extended life of the taxiway.

 

 

CLE: Rehabilitation of Taxiway N - $4,400,000

 

This project allows for the rehabilitation of the asphalt section of Taxiway "N" at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. This replacement will consist of full rehabilitation and replacement of all existing asphalt, for approximately 90,000 SF of pavement. The current condition of the asphalt pavement on Taxiway N is aging, with a current condition of 56 pavement condition index (pci). (On the pci index a score of 71-85 is considered satisfactory condition.) This condition willrequire improvement of the pavement to ensure the safety of the airport operations and the enhancement of the pavement condition for an extended life of the taxiway.

 

 

BKL: Taxiway Apron Overlay - $1,200,000

 

This project would rehabilitate Burke Lakefront Airport’s terminal apron area located North of the terminal. The area is used to accommodate the enplaning and deplaning of airport passengers. The City ramp is also used to park aircraft. Currently the ramp has major cracks and requires constant maintenance expenses. The City ramp has not been overlayed in over 15 years.

 

See p. 376 of http://recovery.ohio.gov/docs/02_23_09_Submitted_Requests.pdf

Greetings,

 

Regarding stimulus funds, I came across these requests on a state of ohio site--not sure if they are requested to Ohio for submission (and filtering) or directly to Washington. For CLE and BKL, 3 projects were requested. The new customs facility at CLE was not one of them---already funded or scrapped idea?...not sure.

 

Here are the three projects:

 

CLE: Rehabilitation of Taxiway A - $2,700,000

 

This project allows for the rehabilitation of taxiway A at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. This work will include full removal and replacement of approximately 111,500 SF of the existing concrete pavement. The current condition of the asphalt pavement on Taxiway A is aging, with a current condition of 47 pavement condition index (pci). (On the pci index a score of 71-85 is considered satisfactory condition.) This condition will require improvement of the pavement to ensure the safety of the airport operation and the enhancement of the pavement condition for an extended life of the taxiway.

 

 

CLE: Rehabilitation of Taxiway N - $4,400,000

 

This project allows for the rehabilitation of the asphalt section of Taxiway "N" at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. This replacement will consist of full rehabilitation and replacement of all existing asphalt, for approximately 90,000 SF of pavement. The current condition of the asphalt pavement on Taxiway N is aging, with a current condition of 56 pavement condition index (pci). (On the pci index a score of 71-85 is considered satisfactory condition.) This condition willrequire improvement of the pavement to ensure the safety of the airport operations and the enhancement of the pavement condition for an extended life of the taxiway.

 

 

BKL: Taxiway Apron Overlay - $1,200,000

 

This project would rehabilitate Burke Lakefront Airport’s terminal apron area located North of the terminal. The area is used to accommodate the enplaning and deplaning of airport passengers. The City ramp is also used to park aircraft. Currently the ramp has major cracks and requires constant maintenance expenses. The City ramp has not been overlayed in over 15 years.

 

See p. 376 of http://recovery.ohio.gov/docs/02_23_09_Submitted_Requests.pdf

Could someone please give a cost analysis of Burke I just do not see its economic advantage.  I just do not get this one at all. Who uses that airport... if someone says businesses and private planes, that whats Richmonmd and Hopkins is for.  Just seems like wasted $$$$$$$$$$$

Could someone please give a cost analysis of Burke I just do not see its economic advantage.  I just do not get this one at all. Who uses that airport... if someone says businesses and private planes, that whats Richmonmd and Hopkins is for.  Just seems like wasted $$$$$$$$$$$

 

My comment is going to come across condescending and it is not meant to be that way.  But I need to ask a question so that the other side of the coin could be understood.

 

How often do you fly?  Are you a leisure traveler or business traveler?

 

Who uses Burke?  The Government (all branches), executive planes, private planes/pilot, & charters.

 

When people who rarely travel say Burke should be closed, where is all that traffic going to go?  Hopkins as it's closer to the city and can handle varying plane types, something Richmond Hts. cannot.

 

As a business traveler I don't want to see that extra traffic at hopkins unless we get a third parallel runway and the late night flight ban ends.

 

The aircraft movements currently at Burke prevent Hopkins from being swarmed by small aircraft takeoffs/landings which increase ground holds.  Currently there are very few times when planes or banks of departures are delayed at Cleveland, even in inclement weather.  Adding the flights to Hopkins, we then become a clogged airport like LGA, BOS, DCA & PHL

 

We run the risk of having multiple delays and as a Business traveler getting into, out off and transferring at Hopkins is a breeze to other major airports.  I for one don't that to change.

 

The government (Federal Building and Fed Reserve) make a lot of movements and using Burke is cost affective for them.

 

I would like to see Burke redeveloped like everyone else, but only after the necessary steps have been taken and Hopkins runways added/expanded, so they can handle the increased traffic.

 

That can't happen until the IX center is gone.  The IX can't move until the new downtown center is up and operating. and most importantly, there has to be money to make all that happen in a timely manner.

Could someone please give a cost analysis of Burke I just do not see its economic advantage. I just do not get this one at all. Who uses that airport... if someone says businesses and private planes, that whats Richmonmd and Hopkins is for. Just seems like wasted $$$$$$$$$$$

 

My comment is going to come across condescending and it is not meant to be that way. But I need to ask a question so that the other side of the coin could be understood.

 

How often do you fly? Are you a leisure traveler or business traveler?

 

Who uses Burke? The Government (all branches), executive planes, private planes/pilot, & charters.

 

When people who rarely travel say Burke should be closed, where is all that traffic going to go? Hopkins as it's closer to the city and can handle varying plane types, something Richmond Hts. cannot.

 

As a business traveler I don't want to see that extra traffic at hopkins unless we get a third parallel runway and the late night flight ban ends.

 

The aircraft movements currently at Burke prevent Hopkins from being swarmed by small aircraft takeoffs/landings which increase ground holds. Currently there are very few times when planes or banks of departures are delayed at Cleveland, even in inclement weather. Adding the flights to Hopkins, we then become a clogged airport like LGA, BOS, DCA & PHL

 

We run the risk of having multiple delays and as a Business traveler getting into, out off and transferring at Hopkins is a breeze to other major airports. I for one don't that to change.

 

The government (Federal Building and Fed Reserve) make a lot of movements and using Burke is cost affective for them.

 

I would like to see Burke redeveloped like everyone else, but only after the necessary steps have been taken and Hopkins runways added/expanded, so they can handle the increased traffic.

 

That can't happen until the IX center is gone. The IX can't move until the new downtown center is up and operating. and most importantly, there has to be money to make all that happen in a timely manner.

 

Anything I have shipped to work via UPS or FedEx air (whether that be chemicals or other lab items or things I personally ordered), the final airport destination is always BKL.

Could someone please give a cost analysis of Burke I just do not see its economic advantage.  I just do not get this one at all. Who uses that airport... if someone says businesses and private planes, that whats Richmonmd and Hopkins is for.  Just seems like wasted $$$$$$$$$$$

 

there is a pretty balanced analysis of burke's activity (no conclusion on whether it should stay or go), that is from a few years ago now:

http://www.ecocitycleveland.org/ecologicaldesign/blue/burke_report_gruber.PDF

 

it has an interesting discussion on how much the FAA would be owed for prior grants ($7 million in 2001, not sure what has happened since), soil conditions (22 acres are an actual old trash dump), survey data (77% of pilots using airport would want to use hopkins if burke was closed), and some interviews.  There would also have to be extensive environmental analysis of the actual dredging areas, which hadn't happened as of 2002.

 

with no planned large scale improvments at the airport, it seems that there is plenty of development activity that can occur on surface lots, the flats, parts of port land, etc. in the next few years, and then make a go at burke if it makes sense.  but from everything i've seen, and the above report supports this, the land isn't very suitable for housing or other larger buildings and even the recent lakefront plan had it shown as a potential golf course - even a public golf course isn't going to be used by all that many people or year round.

 

more interesting for both the port land and burke, imo, would be to figure out how to extend a public walkway at the water around the edge. 

more interesting for both the port land and burke, imo, would be to figure out how to extend a public walkway at the water around the edge.

 

Post 9/11--that's gonna be tough, allowing people--though i'm sure that it's necessarily impossible.

 

To add to the above, BKL plays a critical role in the cleveland aviation system and keeps CLE alive and healthy. Most of the operations there would clog CLE if BKL were closed (GCF is both further away from Downtown and a smaller airfield with smaller capacity than BKL). Furthermore, BKL is an incredible facility so close to the CBD, that other cities must be jealous--it is really a strong economic development tool and attraction.

I know I'm jumping in late on this thread, but closing BKL would be a HUGE mistake.  Between the amount of private/business aircraft, the airshow and the race every year, you'd be shutting out millions of dollars coming into the Cleveland area every year.  BKL is a money maker!  Not to mention shutting any airport down is a travesty.  Shut down BKL and you've given big business another reason to not come to or to leave Cleveland...  enough mistakes.

 

Now, onto CLE...  when is this new "Mall" supposed to be complete, the place looks like a disaster, finding coffee is not easy and ALL chain restaurants are gone (Burger King is now "Sliders" or something, Tequila's is gone, and Sbarro is now a knock-off)  Don't know if Nathan's on A still exists or not...

Air experts on the board.  Is there a way to reduce the footprint of Burke?  Can Hopkins be expanded slightly to relieve some of the congestion? 

Could Burke be reduced to the point where a residential mixed use development on the shore near E.9th could happen?

Air experts on the board.  Is there a way to reduce the footprint of Burke?  Can Hopkins be expanded slightly to relieve some of the congestion? 

Could Burke be reduced to the point where a residential mixed use development on the shore near E.9th could happen?

 

See my earlier posts.

 

IX center has to leave before hopkins expands

There needs to be no developable land in DT before we even look at burke

adding flights to hopkins ads money to business that currently use it BKL.

 

Somehow people think burke is there for "rich" and "spoiled" people but it's really an asset to hopkins that we dont have general aviation mixing with the hub activities at hopkins.

I understand your reluctance to introduce more developable land into an environment that really does not need more, however, we have developed North Coast Harbor with probably our best asset, the Rock Hall and our most expensive asset, the stadium.  I'm not asking for 1/2 or even 1/3 just something Avenue development sized.  Move the terminal to the east end of the airport, towards E. 55th and open as much land on the northwest corner while still maintaining airport operations.

 

Anyways, I doubt it will happen within the next 20 years, so all I am doing in speculating.

Like MyTwoSense mentioned, there is already room for development down there, besides unused land/ports that seem to be dead, the businesses can be taken over (i.e. Hornblower... RIP :'(  ) CLE, besides needing the IX to move, doesn't need to be expanded right now...  airline service is way down and here's hoping Continental keeps it's hub in CLE.  The present volume of traffic doesn't warrant expansion.

Looks like BAA has its first wave of tenants coming in. The Rock Hall store sounds pretty cool.

 

 

Cleveland Hopkins Airport's AirMall lands seven new tenants

 

 

 

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By SCOTT SUTTELL

 

2:21 pm, March 4, 2009

 

 

 

The “AirMall” under construction to bolster shopping and food options at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport has landed seven new tenants.

 

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20090304/FREE/903049954