Every industry uses acronyms.  I appreciate getting the info and the opinion of someone who is in the industry.

 

 

Even those of us who don't work directly for the industry (a.k.a MD88Pilot), but travel our arses off for our careers (a.k.a CLEBurger) use these acronyms and abbreviations.

 

Check out Flyertalk.com--it's filled with tons of them that I've never even heard of! 

 

http://www.flyertalk.com

 

 

 

 

 

Every industry uses acronyms.  I appreciate getting the info and the opinion of someone who is in the industry.

 

 

Even those of us who don't work directly for the industry (a.k.a MD88Pilot), but travel our arses off for our careers (a.k.a CLEBurger) use these acronyms and abbreviations.

 

Check out Flyertalk.com--it's filled with tons of them that I've never even heard of! 

 

http://www.flyertalk.com

 

 

 

It's really not just industry insider talk.

I have to agree It does get annoying when the codes get obscure, there is a difference between saying there is a new flight from CLE to a well known city code (or Ohio city code) and using a code for Green Bay WI or Grand Forks ND...etc as if people should know it. Even if you fly a ton for work, you wouldn't know some of these city codes being tossed around here. If you do fly for work a lot, you probably use one airline...how would you know that the Southwest airline code is WN?? I never fly Southwest and had no idea what that was.

Every industry uses acronyms.  I appreciate getting the info and the opinion of someone who is in the industry.

 

 

x2. I just like to rag on people because, well, because I like to rag on people. :)

Frontier Airlines service at Cleveland Hopkins expands again

CLEVELAND, Ohio  -- Frontier Airlines this morning announced it was adding six more nonstop destinations out of Cleveland, including a seasonal nonstop to Phoenix.

 

Other cities gaining nonstop service on Frontier beginning in June are Raleigh-Durham, Atlanta, Tampa, Fort Lauderdale and Fort Myers.

 

The Denver-based carrier just last month launched a new nonstop from Hopkins to Trenton, N.J., and also announced it would add year-round nonstop service to Orlando, Fla., and seasonal nonstops to Seattle. The Orlando service begins June 13 and the Seattle service June 15.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/03/frontier_airlines_service_at_c.html#incart_river_defaul

Very good news. It's amazing how much new service has been announced since United said they were going to de hub Cleveland. A lot of naysayers said it was wishful thinking to get new service. Here we are not even 2 months after the United announcement and we've got a low cost carrier with 12 destinations! This should really bring fares down in CLE this summer.

I wonder if the one of the local newspapers could put together a before/after of the cut United flight and replacement from the smaller carriers.

This is great but other than Phoenix/PHX, all of these newly announced destinations are already covered by ongoing or replacement service, right? None other than PHX replace United cuts not already replaced.

^Phoenix is a big one though.  Glad they got that back.  Need to get New Orleans back and i think most important markets are back.

I'd just hate for Frontier to have low loads on these routes already covered by other airlines and then pull back... versus having no competition on a route like Phoenix..

 

What I don't get is recent talk that airlines need months (6-9?)  to make schedule changes like these... adding new cities... And yet already all these new routes since the recent United announcement. Begs the question who new what, when? Almost like they were working on these long ago....

Wonder if/when the seasonal flights to Seattle and Phoenix might become year-round?

This is great but other than Phoenix/PHX, all of these newly announced destinations are already covered by ongoing or replacement service, right? None other than PHX replace United cuts not already replaced.

I'd just hate for Frontier to have low loads on these routes already covered by other airlines and then pull back... versus having no competition on a route like Phoenix..

 

What I don't get is recent talk that airlines need months (6-9?)  to make schedule changes like these... adding new cities... And yet already all these new routes since the recent United announcement. Begs the question who new what, when? Almost like they were working on these long ago....

 

Two things here:

 

One, don't forget that United also cut some frequencies to the destinations that Frontier will be duplicating. So in a sense Frontier is picking up some of the slack.

 

Two, Akron-Canton Regional Airport. The southeast US destinations added today by Frontier pretty much duplicate what AirTran/Southwest operate there. This is a pretty smart move by Frontier. We all know that CAK has grown tremendously over the past decade by "stealing" passengers that would otherwise use CLE as they've had a low cost carrier that could provide flights to Florida and the Southeast at prices significantly lower than CLE (United). The playing field has been leveled for flights to Florida for CLE vs CAK. There will no longer be any price incentive for folks from Cuyahoga County to drive down to CAK to catch a cheap flight to Tampa/Orlando/Fort Myers/Fort Lauderdale. So in terms of filling planes, I don't think Frontier will have a problem, as they can just bring in all those folks who drive to CAK. I'm curious how Akron-Canton airport will respond in terms of advertising? CLE could easily become the low cost airport for NE Ohio with Frontier rapidly expanding, in which case passenger counts at CAK would plummet. It will be interesting to see how Southwest and Frontier (and United) compete for these Florida flights in terms of prices. I can imagine a lot of northeast Ohioans will be able to take Florida vacations at much lower prices than they have been able to in the past several years.

 

I have heard that Frontier is able to start up service much quicker than the other larger airlines, this may be a case of using that advantage to gain market share in Cleveland before other airlines can start up service.

WestBlvd, nothing would please ne more than CAK flights/passengers dwindling... They have hurt CLE... I hope Southwest  consolidates in CLE, especially.

There is a whole #LUVCAK initiative now...  Not sure if anyone else has seen that.

 

There is a whole #LUVCAK initiative now...  Not sure if anyone else has seen that.

 

... Really? Please tell me I'm not the only one here who had an immature little giggle when they read that. Especially when reading the tweets. "I #LUVCAK and you should too!"

I #LUVCAK ... Could I get that in bumper sticker?

The Frontier announcement, as opposed to the AC extra YYZ frequency announcement, is at least a little champagne worthy.  Not Dom Perignon, but some bubbly is in order.  What intrigues me is that the CLE-SEA and CLE-PHX flights are the only routes on the Frontier map going from the eastern US to the western US that "bypass" the Denver hub.  Mean anything in terms of future expansion?  We'll see.  What does surprise me a little is the less than five days a week frequency on all these routes.  Stay tuned.

I #LUVCAK ... Could I get that in bumper sticker?

 

Hehe.  I have to admit that I didn't notice that previously, probably since we all over pronounce our short "a" in the nasal-y Cleveland accent.

^ Oh god...that makes it 10x funnier.

 

"I love cyack"

There is a whole #LUVCAK initiative now...  Not sure if anyone else has seen that.

 

It's actually brilliant on their behalf--stealing from the Southwest marketing.  Perfect to keep the Cleveland-hating rubes believing that the fares are lower at CAK, even if that's not true any longer.

I think CAK is going through exactly what CLE went through a few years ago.

 

AirTran is transitioning to all Southwest after their merger. CAK passengers who are familiar with AirTran will now need to familiarize themselves with Southwest.

 

For those not familiar "LUV" is the stock ticker symbol for Southwest Airlines and Southwest likes to use it promotionally.

 

I can't help but draw similarities (albeit minor) between #luvcak and United for the hub. Both airports had their dominant carrier taken over by another carrier through a merger with a fear that they'd take those flights elsewhere. Both campaigns were/are trying to get local passengers to fly the new dominant carrier. We all know how that worked out for CLE.

 

For CAK, I find it interesting. I wonder if it's Southwest Airlines or the airport itself (or maybe both) that is paying for the ads? I find it odd that an airport would only want to advertise one of their carriers, when they have 3 other carriers that are paying leases and bringing in 100s of thousands of passengers a year.

 

Seems like another regionalism problem for northeast Ohio. Do we really need two airports fighting over the same passengers? Two airports with expensive infrastructure costs to maintain year after year? Are we going to see CAK and CLE try to outdo each other offering special incentives to get new carriers in the door (or to keep them to stay)... not unlike one municipality offering a better tax break to keep or attract a new company from choosing the neighboring municipality?

 

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. If Frontier proves to be successful in Cleveland, could Southwest choose to consolidate at CAK instead, hoping passengers will follow? Or perhaps Southwest could consolidate at CLE where there is larger demand? There will definitely be a lot to watch out for in air travel in northeast Ohio the next few years. The big plus is that air fares are dropping, which in itself stimulates more demand, which stimulates more routes to places people actually want to go. Losing hub status might not be such a bad thing after all ( who is really going to miss those turbo prop flights to Flint, Buffalo, and DuBois?)

Losing hub status might not be such a bad thing after all ( who is really going to miss those turbo prop flights to Flint, Buffalo, and DuBois?)

 

I'm going to miss some of those flights, but would miss them less if we actually had properly scheduled train services to places like Pittsburgh, Buffalo and Detroit!

 

What I'm NOT going to miss is being crammed into a RJ for 3.5 hours on the way to places like San Antonio or Denver.  At that point I don't mind a connection to stretch my legs and aching back!

Losing hub status might not be such a bad thing after all ( who is really going to miss those turbo prop flights to Flint, Buffalo, and DuBois?)

 

I'm going to miss some of those flights, but would miss them less if we actually had properly scheduled train services to places like Pittsburgh, Buffalo and Detroit!

 

What I'm NOT going to miss is being crammed into a RJ for 3.5 hours on the way to places like San Antonio or Denver.  At that point I don't mind a connection to stretch my legs and aching back!

 

I'm doubtful any of the destinations from CLE within 200 miles or so had any real O&D. I find it hard to believe anyone would buy a plane ticket to Flint, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Dayton, etc. Those flights were probably 95%+ feed for other United flights from CLE. Factoring in drive time to airport, parking/rental car return, security, arriving at gate at least 20 mins to departure, flight time, taxiing at both airports, waiting for gate check luggage/baggage claim, rental car, driving/public transit to final destination even the shortest flight has at minimum a 3 hour associated time with it.

 

The loss of service to places like the following will definitely be missed:

 

Montreal

New Orleans

Austin

Oklahoma City

Providence

Manchester

Richmond

Kansas City

Portland (both ME and OR)

Burlington

 

It's also nice that the new flights being added by Frontier aren't regional jets. People always complained about those RJ in Cleveland, and soon quite a few will be gone, with more leaving each year.

I'm still confused whumy United added the CLE-AUStin nonstop, just last Fall, when they seemingly had to know the hub was closing.

Remember, he's from "down south - AKA Cinci-tucky" so when reading posts in our forum, they may be a bit over his head.  Have patience with those that were educated in one room school houses. ROFLMAO!

 

Using jargon that's obscure to anyone who's not an insider in an industry only marginally related to this forum is not a mark of sophistication. It's just intentionally or negligently being simultaneously cryptic and obtuse.

 

Media is using the IATA code for Malaysian (MH) all over the place.

Hopefully these new Frontier flights do well and the airline considers making CLE an eastern focus city.  They run just about everything through Denver our west, but their eastern presence is limited and perhaps they're looking to expand?

Hopefully these new Frontier flights do well and the airline considers making CLE an eastern focus city.  They run just about everything through Denver our west, but their eastern presence is limited and perhaps they're looking to expand?

 

This would be good, but I would also hope with their eyes on growth that they would also join one of the big alliances to tie in overseas partners, etc.  It's one of the reasons I don't fly Southwest unless it's truly convenient--most of my status is built on partner/overseas flights.

Interesting item on the Agenda...

 

3. DF2014-022 - Hopkins Airport Terminal Exterior Renovations

Project Location: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport

Project Representative: Hugh Holley, City of Cleveland

 

United Airlines to reduce, consolidate its flights at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport

 

CLEVELAND - United Airlines will consolidate its flight operations at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, the company announced this afternoon.

 

Flights will be consolidated to Concourse C and the airline will no longer operate out of Concourse D, the airline reported.

 

The airline notified its employees today of the reductions in service, the airport said in a press release. Employees affected by the changes will be given transitional employment services.

 

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/united-airlines-to-reduce-consolidate-its-flights-to-and-from-cleveland-hopkins-intl-airport

Cleveland Hopkins terminal to get $20 million renovation

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland Hopkins International Airport is planning $20 million in improvements to its terminal façade, the ticketing lobby and the lower-level baggage area.

 

The airport is holding a public information session on the upgrades Thursday and is looking for input to help shape the final design. Airport officials and project designers will be available to answer questions and take suggestions from 4:30 to 6:30 p.m. at the airport, on the lower level next to the RTA station.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/04/cleveland_hopkins_terminal_to.html#incart_river_default

Cleveland Hopkins terminal to get $20 million renovation

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland Hopkins International Airport is planning $20 million in improvements to its terminal façade, the ticketing lobby and the lower-level baggage area.

 

The airport is holding a public information session on the upgrades Thursday and is looking for input to help shape the final design. Airport officials and project designers will be available to answer questions and take suggestions from 4:30 to 6:30 p.m. at the airport, on the lower level next to the RTA station.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/04/cleveland_hopkins_terminal_to.html#incart_river_default

 

I personally don't see that much wrong with the ticketing lobby and arrivals hall.  Definitely not $20 million worth.  If anything they should use the money to continue improvements on Concourses A&B, including a new Customs FIS and larger and better restrooms.

^$20 million doesn't get you very far when you start doing windows and exterior facade type work.  Especially 1700 feet of it...

 

But generally speaking I do agree with you.  My preference would be to put the money into concourse upgrades.

I think there was an article in the PD that talked about these upgrades some time ago, so its just them moving forward. With that said I hope that beyond this there are serious discussions now about updating the concourses.  United's de-hubbing offers the opportunity to really remake the terminal while traffic is down.  My thought is to reconfigure D for mainline jets and connect directly with the terminal.  Then consolidate all flights onto C and D and tear down and reconstruct A and B...wider concourses, more natural light, etc.  Revamp C last.  If we started a plan like this now maybe it could be done by 2025? 

Frontier Airlines service at Cleveland Hopkins expands again

CLEVELAND, Ohio  -- Frontier Airlines this morning announced it was adding six more nonstop destinations out of Cleveland, including a seasonal nonstop to Phoenix.

 

Other cities gaining nonstop service on Frontier beginning in June are Raleigh-Durham, Atlanta, Tampa, Fort Lauderdale and Fort Myers.

 

The Denver-based carrier just last month launched a new nonstop from Hopkins to Trenton, N.J., and also announced it would add year-round nonstop service to Orlando, Fla., and seasonal nonstops to Seattle. The Orlando service begins June 13 and the Seattle service June 15.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/03/frontier_airlines_service_at_c.html#incart_river_defaul

 

I love Frontier! And their talking animals...priceless.

 

Also I think this is the right place to add that I had a great experience flying into the C L E on Delta. All kinds of free programing to watch (flight tracker!) clean new planes and very courteous service.

I personally don't see that much wrong with the ticketing lobby and arrivals hall.  Definitely not $20 million worth.  If anything they should use the money to continue improvements on Concourses A&B, including a new Customs FIS and larger and better restrooms.

 

Maybe I'm just getting lousy layovers, but I think the restrooms in Cleveland are some of the best. Definitely a notch above Detroit, San Diego and Midway.

I personally don't see that much wrong with the ticketing lobby and arrivals hall.  Definitely not $20 million worth.  If anything they should use the money to continue improvements on Concourses A&B, including a new Customs FIS and larger and better restrooms.

 

Maybe I'm just getting lousy layovers, but I think the restrooms in Cleveland are some of the best. Definitely a notch above Detroit, San Diego and Midway.

 

I was just talking about this with someone the other day! I had a layover at LAX a couple of weeks ago and the bathrooms looked like a third world country while in comparison the stalls in the bathrooms in concourse C at CLE are like a hotel room. Props to Hopkins for being one of the cleanest airports I've ever been to. Maybe it's a different story in concourses A&B?

 

 

Maybe I'm just getting lousy layovers, but I think the restrooms in Cleveland are some of the best. Definitely a notch above Detroit, San Diego and Midway.

And definitely better than Newark

 

I personally don't see that much wrong with the ticketing lobby and arrivals hall.  Definitely not $20 million worth.  If anything they should use the money to continue improvements on Concourses A&B, including a new Customs FIS and larger and better restrooms.

 

Maybe I'm just getting lousy layovers, but I think the restrooms in Cleveland are some of the best. Definitely a notch above Detroit, San Diego and Midway.

 

I was just talking about this with someone the other day! I had a layover at LAX a couple of weeks ago and the bathrooms looked like a third world country while in comparison the stalls in the bathrooms in concourse C at CLE are like a hotel room. Props to Hopkins for being one of the cleanest airports I've ever been to. Maybe it's a different story in concourses A&B?

 

On all three concourses they are just way too small.  Obviously the design of an airport built 50 years ago.  Try getting in and out of one of the ones on C on a busy morning with everyone tangling their carryon luggage.  I just think they need to expand them to give more maneuvering room.    In terms of cleanliness, I'd put Hopkins in the middle of the field, not to bad, but also not as good as they could be.

It's not just the bathrooms that are too small. Concourse C is so narrow that the pathways are constantly jammed with people waiting to board and with people who can't find a seat because the waiting areas are too small. I suppose this will be less of a problem with the United reductions, but still.

The airport was mostly built in the 1960s, and it shows.

 

Rather than wasting money on these small cosmetic improvements, I think the airport needs a long-term plan for a complete overhaul. Of course, money is always the issue...

Frontier Airlines service at Cleveland Hopkins expands again

CLEVELAND, Ohio  -- Frontier Airlines this morning announced it was adding six more nonstop destinations out of Cleveland, including a seasonal nonstop to Phoenix.

 

Other cities gaining nonstop service on Frontier beginning in June are Raleigh-Durham, Atlanta, Tampa, Fort Lauderdale and Fort Myers.

 

The Denver-based carrier just last month launched a new nonstop from Hopkins to Trenton, N.J., and also announced it would add year-round nonstop service to Orlando, Fla., and seasonal nonstops to Seattle. The Orlando service begins June 13 and the Seattle service June 15.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/03/frontier_airlines_service_at_c.html#incart_river_defaul

 

I love Frontier! And their talking animals...priceless.

 

Also I think this is the right place to add that I had a great experience flying into the C L E on Delta. All kinds of free programing to watch (flight tracker!) clean new planes and very courteous service.

 

New planes?  On Delta?  Don't they have the oldest fleet of all the mainline carriers?

 

Confirmed:  http://www.ibtimes.com/worlds-15-oldest-airline-fleets-how-do-us-based-airlines-rank-1475194

 

Also, remind me never to fly Allegiant...

I was just talking about this with someone the other day! I had a layover at LAX a couple of weeks ago and the bathrooms looked like a third world country while in comparison the stalls in the bathrooms in concourse C at CLE are like a hotel room. Props to Hopkins for being one of the cleanest airports I've ever been to.

 

Wholly agree with your LAX assessment, yuck!

New planes?  On Delta?  Don't they have the oldest fleet of all the mainline carriers?

 

Confirmed:  http://www.ibtimes.com/worlds-15-oldest-airline-fleets-how-do-us-based-airlines-rank-1475194

 

Maybe I just lucked out.

Frontier Airlines service at Cleveland Hopkins expands again

CLEVELAND, Ohio  -- Frontier Airlines this morning announced it was adding six more nonstop destinations out of Cleveland, including a seasonal nonstop to Phoenix.

 

Other cities gaining nonstop service on Frontier beginning in June are Raleigh-Durham, Atlanta, Tampa, Fort Lauderdale and Fort Myers.

 

The Denver-based carrier just last month launched a new nonstop from Hopkins to Trenton, N.J., and also announced it would add year-round nonstop service to Orlando, Fla., and seasonal nonstops to Seattle. The Orlando service begins June 13 and the Seattle service June 15.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/03/frontier_airlines_service_at_c.html#incart_river_defaul

 

I love Frontier! And their talking animals...priceless.

 

Also I think this is the right place to add that I had a great experience flying into the C L E on Delta. All kinds of free programing to watch (flight tracker!) clean new planes and very courteous service.

 

New planes?  On Delta?  Don't they have the oldest fleet of all the mainline carriers?

 

Confirmed:  http://www.ibtimes.com/worlds-15-oldest-airline-fleets-how-do-us-based-airlines-rank-1475194

 

Also, remind me never to fly Allegiant...

 

If you look closely, American is not on the list because its market cap was too small when they did the chart (according to the text of the article).  But their average is 16.6 years, which looks like it would put it just past Delta in terms of the age. 

More encouraging news: The newly merged US Airways and American Airlines will begin daily service from Cleveland Hopkins to Phoenix this fall.

I flew I into CLE last night at 8:30 and the place was like a ghost town.... everything closed, not even workers cleaning up stores, no one at all in concourse C.... Only about 10 flights left to take off...  Maybe it's like this all the time at 8:30 (I am usually back more like 11... when it is this way) but assume it is the new look of CLE now that 2/3rds or more of United cuts in effect. Those dozen or two end of day connecting flights nowhere to be seen now. Depressing...

What percentage of the cuts have taken effect thus far?

What percentage of the cuts have taken effect thus far?

 

Most cuts have been made. I believe before the announcement United (and their regional partners) were operating 170-200 daily departures depending on season. This week, that number sits just north of 100 daily departures. By June 4th, that number will be at around 65-70 daily departures. So that leaves about 30 or so flights to chop off and most of the flights left to be cut are those small turbo prop flights to Franklin, PA and Jamestown, NY that may only carry 3 to 8 people per flight.

 

The number of flights actually operated by United Airlines won't really change after the hub closure. That number is expected to remain roughly the same at about 23-27 departures per day. I know many people hated flying on those turbo-props and 50 seat regional jets, which previously made up the bulk of flying at CLE. Come June that will no longer be the case as the bulk of available seats from United will be on their mainline jets, and especially with Frontier Airlines starting all their new destinations on non regional aircraft.

 

Terminal D is a ghost town right now. It's a very sad sight. But once United consolidates in terminal C, it should be very busy during the morning and early evening. You'll see the vast majority of flights depart between 6 and 10am and then again from 3:30pm to 7:30pm.

Unfortunately United will still continue, unless something is changing, flying 80% of their CLE-ORD (O'Hare) flights, which I am on way too much, on 3-across ERJ145s... Only 1 or 2 mainline flights to ORD a day.. a few more on 4-across CRJ regionals, which are vastly inferior to the 4-across ERJ170s which are great. If United only moved regional flights to just those, the service would Iimprove signifcantly. But now they are even flying ERJ145s to Denver and Houston... 3 hour flights... Ughh.

 

Unfortunately United will still continue, unless something is changing, flying 80% of their CLE-ORD (O'Hare) flights, which I am on way too much, on 3-across ERJ145s... Only 1 or 2 mainline flights to ORD a day.. a few more on 4-across CRJ regionals, which are vastly inferior to the 4-across ERJ170s which are great. If United only moved regional flights to just those, the service would Iimprove signifcantly. But now they are even flying ERJ145s to Denver and Houston... 3 hour flights... Ughh.

 

Actually, starting next month (once the de-hubbing is complete) 5 of 13 daily flights to O'Hare will be mainline. Houston will be 4 mainline and 1 E170, and Denver will be 2 mainline and 2 CRJ-700.

 

But you're definitely right that the E145s are torture. Medium to long term, you'll see regional flying move from E145s to E170s and other larger regional jets because the E145s just don't make financial sense any more. Unfortunately, United will be behind the curve on making the switch because they are currently more dependent on the E145s than the other major carriers.

Frontier is adding Dallas and Las Vegas later this year. A good sign that initial bookings are doing well.

 

http://m.digitaljournal.com/pr/1917718