F9 is cutting CLE-ORD at the start of the new year.

 

Where do you see this?  Please post a link.

It's announced on Frontier's website,

 

 

It's interesting that with this, they've now cut all three of the new destinations announced back in June: Chicago, New York, and DC. LGA and IAD however are still listed as being "seasonal," whereas ORD is "discontinued."

 

There's some more detailed discussion of the whole situation over at airliners.net, http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6226483/

It's announced on Frontier's website,

 

 

It's interesting that with this, they've now cut all three of the new destinations announced back in June: Chicago, New York, and DC. LGA and IAD however are still listed as being "seasonal," whereas ORD is "discontinued."

 

There's some more detailed discussion of the whole situation over at airliners.net, http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6226483/

 

Thanks for the picture, but it wasn't necessary. Can you provide a link to the press release?  I see releases for additions, but not flight/route cancellations.

 

I get the gist that short haul flights aren't profitable and as they expand they don't have the equipment.

 

MD88PILOT[/member] Does F9 have interlining (benefits) with other airlines?  I wonder if these short hauls were intended to building up loyalty but no there was no real plan to keep them?

^Interlining? likely with luggage transfers, and they likely have agreements with other airlines to carry another passengers in cases of cancellations or emergencies (which is standard), but they don't code-share with others and F9 is not part of any of the three main alliances.

F9 is cutting CLE-ORD at the start of the new year.

 

Where do you see this?  Please post a link.

 

 

It's announced on Frontier's website,

 

 

It's interesting that with this, they've now cut all three of the new destinations announced back in June: Chicago, New York, and DC. LGA and IAD however are still listed as being "seasonal," whereas ORD is "discontinued."

 

There's some more detailed discussion of the whole situation over at airliners.net, http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6226483/

 

Thanks for the picture, but it wasn't necessary. Can you provide a link to the press release?  I see releases for additions, but not flight/route cancellations.

 

I get the gist that short haul flights aren't profitable and as they expand they don't have the equipment.

 

MD88PILOT[/member] Does F9 have interlining (benefits) with other airlines?  I wonder if these short hauls were intended to building up loyalty but no there was no real plan to keep them?

 

You asked him where he saw it, so he posted that.  He doesn't owe you that explanation in the format you prefer.  He's not your intern. Nobody here is.

 

Clear?

^Interlining? likely with luggage transfers, and they likely have agreements with other airlines to carry another passengers in cases of cancellations or emergencies (which is standard), but they don't code-share with others and F9 is not part of any of the three main alliances.

 

I'm not sure they do, which is why I'm asking.  They don't have a large fleet like southwest and I have heard some rumblings from people about the options in the event a flight is cancelled or diverted.

It's announced on Frontier's website,

 

 

It's interesting that with this, they've now cut all three of the new destinations announced back in June: Chicago, New York, and DC. LGA and IAD however are still listed as being "seasonal," whereas ORD is "discontinued."

 

There's some more detailed discussion of the whole situation over at airliners.net, http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6226483/

 

Thanks for the picture, but it wasn't necessary. Can you provide a link to the press release?  I see releases for additions, but not flight/route cancellations.

 

I get the gist that short haul flights aren't profitable and as they expand they don't have the equipment.

 

MD88PILOT[/member] Does F9 have interlining (benefits) with other airlines?  I wonder if these short hauls were intended to building up loyalty but no there was no real plan to keep them?

 

F9 interlines with Alaska Airlines

 

Thanks for the picture, but it wasn't necessary. Can you provide a link to the press release?  I see releases for additions, but not flight/route cancellations.

 

I get the gist that short haul flights aren't profitable and as they expand they don't have the equipment.

 

MD88PILOT[/member] Does F9 have interlining (benefits) with other airlines?  I wonder if these short hauls were intended to building up loyalty but no there was no real plan to keep them?

 

MTS, you sent me a PM. Please clear your inbox so I can respond in the future. Here's my response to the above....

 

Some people prefer to look for information. Some people prefer to ask for it. You seem to be in the latter category. People in the former category sometimes get frustrated because they can't understand why someone wouldn't just look for it on their own.

United ending nonstop service to 4 cities

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2014/12/03/united-cuts-flights/19869405/

Following on the above news......

 

Frontier Airlines also will end nonstops out of Cleveland Hopkins to Chicago O'Hare

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/frontier_airlines_also_will_en.html#incart_river

Following on the above news......

 

Frontier Airlines also will end nonstops out of Cleveland Hopkins to Chicago O'Hare

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/frontier_airlines_also_will_en.html#incart_river

I am guessing that's because almost every United plane that leaves CLE will go to O'hare first LOL, Just kidding ....sort of....

 

 

i never quite understood why UA kept DFW, RSW and FLL.  TPA i could get.  UA flew RJ's to each of these destinations. As for DFW with AA at 4x MD-80's daily plus F9 at 1x A320 and the soon to be NK at 1x 319 daily, UA's 2x RJ service at the fares they charged was doomed.  Similarly, the Florida destinations which are low yield anyway were high cost to operate with RJ's.

 

F9's departure from ORD, TTN, IAD and LGA makes sense as those routes didn't make sense in the first place.  At less than daily and with only one flight on the days that they did operate, plus being slot restricted at ORD and LGA, redeployment of jets to Florida for the winter from LGA and IAD is a better use of resources.

There's a press conference scheduled for 11am tomorrow with Mayor Jackson at Hopkins. JetBlue service to Boston?

There's a press conference scheduled for 11am tomorrow with Mayor Jackson at Hopkins. JetBlue service to Boston?

 

I've heard that rumor and some others which I won't mention because I can't verify.

There's a press conference scheduled for 11am tomorrow with Mayor Jackson at Hopkins. JetBlue service to Boston?

 

Maybe he's just leaving town to avoid any further battles with council. ;)

There's a press conference scheduled for 11am tomorrow with Mayor Jackson at Hopkins. JetBlue service to Boston?

 

Maybe he's just leaving town to avoid any further battles with council. ;)

 

No that was Mike White!

Woo-HOO!  B6 to start twice daily flights to BOS.

Who or what is a B6?

Who or what is a B6?

 

B6 is another airline code, this time for JetBlue, that aviation geeks use to sound cool.

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2014/12/top-rated_jetblue_to_start_fly.html#incart_river

 

Cleveland, Ohio – JetBlue Airways, consistently rated by customers as the top U.S. airline, is coming to Cleveland – with twice-a-day service to Boston starting in April, and the possibility for additional destinations later on.

 

It's a mid-morning flight outbound (9:45 am) and a mid-evening flight outbound (6:45 pm) from CLE.  Both outbound flights are the return of BOS inbound flights meaning that there will be no RON (Remain OverNight) aircraft for the morning flight.  So if there are weather/traffic delays in BOS (frequently), both CLE-BOS flights will be delayed.

 

For the CLE business traveler, UA will offer an early morning (6:45 am) departure to BOS, a mid-day flight and an evening flight.

 

As far as fares are concerned, in similar markets where B6 offers a couple flights per day and another carrier offers 3-4 (RDU comes to mind), the fares are a in the $300-$400 range weekdays.  Weekends fares can be as low as $160.  UA may lower their fares somewhat but B6 will eventually raise theirs substantially.

 

Additionally, B6 will begin charging for baggage in 2015 and will re-fit their cabins to increase seating and decrease legroom in an effort to boost revenues.

Quote from: Mendo on Yesterday at 08:17:49 AM

Who or what is a B6?

 

B6 is another airline code, this time for JetBlue, that aviation geeks use to sound cool.

 

Ha! Sorry--I just wrote quickly to post as quickly as I could--In my previous post before I wrote out "JetBlue" but in my excitement this longer form was overlooked. my apologies.

Quote from: Mendo on Yesterday at 08:17:49 AM

Who or what is a B6?

 

B6 is another airline code, this time for JetBlue, that aviation geeks use to sound cool.

 

Ha! Sorry--I just wrote quickly to post as quickly as I could--In my previous post before I wrote out "JetBlue" but in my excitement this longer form was overlooked. my apologies.

Thanks, I was confused by the use of "JetBlue".

 

I used to work for an airline and was in the USAF, but find the use of airport codes in regular conversation funny.  Perhaps Chemical Engineers should reference periodic table nomenclature instead of using, you know, words?  Anyone have some "Au" they'd like to sell?

 

We could also use military 10-codes, think I'll break for 10-35.

^ 00101001 10011001 00110010 01101001

Why complain about the use of airline codes on this thread? CNN/BBC/NYT used MH for Malaysian and I never saw any complaints when their articles were posted. Just odd to have two sets of standards.

Why complain about the use of airline codes on this thread? CNN/BBC/NYT used MH for Malaysian and I never saw any complaints when their articles were posted. Just odd to have two sets of standards.

 

When I read those articles, I had to stop and think about what they were referring to. I would prefer articles that don't assume what the reader knows. J-School teaches journalists to write in such a way that eighth-graders can understand what you writing.

Why complain about the use of airline codes on this thread? CNN/BBC/NYT used MH for Malaysian and I never saw any complaints when their articles were posted. Just odd to have two sets of standards.

99% of the general public refer to Cable News Network as "CNN", while 99% of the general public refer to F9 as "Frontier".  That would be my explanation.

As a member of the general public who couldn't care less about airport or airline codes, it's because none of us know what the heck you're talking about. These aren't common knowledge or used in regular conversation.

Why complain about the use of airline codes on this thread? CNN/BBC/NYT used MH for Malaysian and I never saw any complaints when their articles were posted. Just odd to have two sets of standards.

99% of the general public refer to Cable News Network as "CNN", while 99% of the general public refer to F9 as "Frontier".  That would be my explanation.

 

Who references Malaysian Airlines as MH? Yet all the news outlets did. Again, just pointing out the oddity that no one complained on those threads.

^They only used MH in reference to the flight number (MH370).  They never said "MH executives announced..."  It was also a major news event so people were familiar with the code being used and it was a simple code.  If frontier flight 1151 were to crash tomorrow I doubt the news outlets would lead with FFT1151.  They would say Frontier Flight 1151.  Why does all of this matter?  Oh, because I don't (or didn't) know what airline B6 or F9 is.

Speaking of....B6...UA, just added a 5th CLE-Boston flight. Looks like UA is willing to fight for at least one CLE route.

Good news: 

 

AA is bring back CLE-LGA, starting in April---3x daily during the week, 1x Saturday, 2x Sunday.

 

Departs CLE 6:30, 11:45, and 16:45.

Departs LGA 9:30, 14:45, and 18:50.

 

For what its worth, AA/US is hiring staff in CLE (both supervisory and hourly).  To me this is significant because with a merger taking place you would expect to see some attrition - especially at an outstation.  There are rumors - and I stress rumors - that AA may do CLE-LAX and some other city pairs from CLE in the not to distant future.  My own personal speculation is that some of this may feed into a CLE-LHR.  Just sayin

Yes, I saw this mentioned at airliners.net , so I checked the AA/US and Envoy career listings.  The latter did have a supervisor position and a csr position while USAIR had a csr position listed.  Airliners.net also had a reference to "large ticket counter space".  The combined ticket space of US and AA however rearranged, would be significant. What ARE they up to?

Yes, I saw this mentioned at airliners.net , so I checked the AA/US and Envoy career listings.  The latter did have a supervisor position and a csr position while USAIR had a csr position listed.  Airliners.net also had a reference to "large ticket counter space".  The combined ticket space of US and AA however rearranged, would be significant. What ARE they up to?

 

They are hiring multiple people for each position......time will tell.

 

CLE can easily support two "focus city" carriers. I would expect to see UA stabilize around 50-55 flights/day.  AA/US might be in for 40-50

It would be great if AA did a focus city at CLE, especially after all that time we had not long ago with no mainline service at all from them.  It would be especially satisfying if they could make LHR work, and essentially show Smisek and company how connections are done.  :wink:

LHR?

LHR?

 

London (Heathrow)

^London Heathrow!!! It's more common to use the three letter airport code versus spelling out the entire airport. Heathrow is London's largest airport and connected to the London Underground.

Note a new development that will pretty-up a visible corner to Cleveland visitors -- at Brookpark Road and Rocky River Drive.

 

And I think this is the only gas station in the area. How crazy is that? Persons with rental cars need to gas up before returning their car.

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,3594.msg738001.html#msg738001

There's a really skeezy gas station across the street from the Ford plant, so a big step up from that. As well as closer than all the other stations that really serve the neighborhoods.

Note a new development that will pretty-up a visible corner to Cleveland visitors -- at Brookpark Road and Rocky River Drive.

 

And I think this is the only gas station in the area. How crazy is that? Persons with rental cars need to gas up before returning their car.

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,3594.msg738001.html#msg738001

 

I rent a lot of cars in various locations.  No gas stations near rental car facilities is quite common at many airports.  Besides, you can elect the fuel option on the rental contract and return the car with as little gas as you want.  The rental company will fill it at a price usually a few cents cheaper than a local station.  But you have to select the option.  If you don't and return it needing gas, they'll fill it at an exorbitant price.

Good news: 

 

AA is bring back CLE-LGA, starting in April---3x daily during the week, 1x Saturday, 2x Sunday.

 

Departs CLE 6:30, 11:45, and 16:45.

Departs LGA 9:30, 14:45, and 18:50.

 

 

awesome news for us - thanks!

 

Agree, too, not uncommon not to have gas nearby rental return. In Orlando (MCO) there has notoriously been one lone nearby gas station charging $6+/gallon to gouge last minute returners needing gas. A Sheetz finally was opening adjacent to compete with normal prices.

Yes, I saw this mentioned at airliners.net , so I checked the AA/US and Envoy career listings.  The latter did have a supervisor position and a csr position while USAIR had a csr position listed.  Airliners.net also had a reference to "large ticket counter space".  The combined ticket space of US and AA however rearranged, would be significant. What ARE they up to?

 

They are hiring multiple people for each position......time will tell.

 

 

CLE can easily support two "focus city" carriers. I would expect to see UA stabilize around 50-55 flights/day.  AA/US might be in for 40-50

 

Of course, all of this depends whether these new jobs represent:

  1. Expansion for AA/US at CLE (most desirable)

  2. Envoy contracting to perform ground functions for other airlines at CLE who are outsourcing (e.g. UA announced it is outsourcing at 12 stations earlier in 2014)

  3. Existing US employees forced to reapply in competition with external candidates for their "old jobs" in the merged company. (Sucky, but all too common)

 

I have no idea which if any of the three apply.  Anyone?

Two new routes announced today: jetBlue to Fort Lauderdale and Spirit to Boston.

Two new routes announced today: jetBlue to Fort Lauderdale and Spirit to Boston.

 

Glad to see United's Fort Lauderdale route get picked up by someone else (other than Frontier). I flew to Fort Lauderdale two weeks ago at 7 a.m. on a jam-packed flight. It boggles my mind United couldn't make this work, especially to a growing airport (adding a second runway) like FLL that will also have direct rail connections to the rest of Florida.

Delta flight leaves Cleveland for New York with only 2 passengers

 

by Alison Grant, The Plain Dealer

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on January 13, 2015 at 3:03 PM, updated January 13, 2015 at 3:29 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A Manhattan advertising manager who blogs about craft beer and was in Cleveland visiting breweries had a near-exclusive flight home aboard a Delta Air Lines jet.  Passenger Chris O'Leary was the only person on the 76-seat regional plane when it readied for departure to New York from Cleveland Hopkins International Airport.

 

"The flight attendant did a personalized safety briefing for me. The pilot came out and shook my hand," O'Leary said Tuesday afternoon by phone from his office on Broadway Avenue.

 

O'Leary originally was supposed to leave Cleveland at 7:15 a.m. Monday, but got an alert from Delta about 5:30 a.m. that the flight was delayed. The flight that he was rebooked on was scheduled to take off at 9:39 a.m. But it too, was delayed.  O'Leary, a frequent flier, monitored the situation on the FlightAware tracking service and his cell phone from his hotel room. The departure was ultimately set for 1 p.m., and O'Leary said he left the hotel about noon, taking a shuttle bus to the Hopkins terminal.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/01/delta_flight_home_gives_manhat.html#incart_river

Delta flight leaves Cleveland for New York with only 2 passengers

 

by Alison Grant, The Plain Dealer

Email the author | Follow on Twitter

on January 13, 2015 at 3:03 PM, updated January 13, 2015 at 3:29 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A Manhattan advertising manager who blogs about craft beer and was in Cleveland visiting breweries had a near-exclusive flight home aboard a Delta Air Lines jet.  Passenger Chris O'Leary was the only person on the 76-seat regional plane when it readied for departure to New York from Cleveland Hopkins International Airport.

 

"The flight attendant did a personalized safety briefing for me. The pilot came out and shook my hand," O'Leary said Tuesday afternoon by phone from his office on Broadway Avenue.

 

O'Leary originally was supposed to leave Cleveland at 7:15 a.m. Monday, but got an alert from Delta about 5:30 a.m. that the flight was delayed. The flight that he was rebooked on was scheduled to take off at 9:39 a.m. But it too, was delayed.  O'Leary, a frequent flier, monitored the situation on the FlightAware tracking service and his cell phone from his hotel room. The departure was ultimately set for 1 p.m., and O'Leary said he left the hotel about noon, taking a shuttle bus to the Hopkins terminal.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/01/delta_flight_home_gives_manhat.html#incart_river

 

wow...slow news day.  This happens more than one would think.  If a flight is substantially delayed, pax will be placed on other carriers that interline with the delayed airline.  In the case of LGA, because of slot restrictions, it's a use it or lose it deal.  So however delayed, that flight will go.  For those who stick out the delay, you sometimes have a next to empty flight.  I personally remember flying EWR-ATL one morning with 4 people on a 727-232A.  We moved al four to first class for weight and balance purposes.

Yes, but if it happened in the days before social media, it would have been known only to a handful of people that the guy personally saw that day.