Where are the (why aren't the) business leaders in CLE pushing for a Euro flight?

 

And how much longer will Szabo be "interim"?

I'm really, really surprised Pittsburgh picked it up. I for sure thought Hopkins would get it.

Where are the (why aren't the) business leaders in CLE pushing for a Euro flight?

 

And how much longer will Szabo be "interim"?

 

They may be...but as I wrote in a different post above, the demand has to be on both ends.  It can't just be Cleveland revenue.  It must flow both ways. 

 

PIT has already demonstrated that it can support European flights.  The Paris flight is no longer subsidized.  WOW is just stepping in to sop up the gravy that present capacity can't handle.

 

If Delta upguages to a 767 would WOW be able to compete?

WOW! just announced they are starting 4x weekly from Pittsburgh to Iceland. Great job on the rumor Dougal, if they started this service so close by you had to think they were talking to Cleveland as well.

 

They were talking to CLE and the discussions were very detailed.  I guess they went home and decided PIT's deal was better. I'd sure like to know if PIT offered any subsidy (which is how they got their Paris flight) - something CLE has been unwilling to do.

 

Since CLE is a self-sustaining entity that is having budget issues, how would they ever afford the subsidy?      It will be interesting to review Hopkins 2016 books and see if there has been any financial recovery since the de-hubbing in 2013. 

According to this, PIT has gone from 37 to 64 nonstop destinations in just a few years. CLE is probably 35-40 now. Shows what vision can do.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/93413068/?client=ms-android-sprint-us

According to this, PIT has gone from 37 to 64 nonstop destinations in just a few years. CLE is probably 35-40 now. Shows what vision can do.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/93413068/?client=ms-android-sprint-us

 

How is PIT run differently than CLE?  IRC it is a multi-county regional authority vs a city-run facility?

Perhaps it's time for the media to do a little snooping on why CLE so far behind in gaining service / no interest in doing so? It's not going to happen by itself. Hungry regions out there, some not the size of NEO but with something to prove...

I think the issue is it is the city of Cleveland running it. That's great if the city were still over a half million people. That is not the case. PIT is operated by Allegheny county.

  My preference is Port Authority takes over the airports of Cuyahoga County.

  Since CLE is a self-sustaining entity that is having budget issues, how would they ever afford the subsidy?      It will be interesting to review Hopkins 2016 books and see if there has been any financial recovery since the de-hubbing in 2013.

 

In these deals the airport itself usually offers to waive landing fees and sometimes counter/gate rental. Civic parties, like Team NEO, Downtown Cleveland Alliance, and Greater Cleveland Partnership might offer free advertising and promotion. Big companies like Cle Clinic, S-W Paint, Eaton, etc. commit to buying some number of seats. Put them all together and it's a valuable package. But you need a spark plug to get the bundle packaged and promoted. I don't think we have that kind of spark at the airport.

 

CLE's financial reports are on file with the FAA in their CATS database.  http://cats.airports.faa.gov/Reports/reports.cfm

Form 126 is intergovernmental transfers. Form 127 is a sort of balance sheet and operating statement.

 

FWIW, CLE operated at a small profit and paid down a good bit of debt for 2015. Their cost per emplaned passenger dropped by about $4, which was very good performance for just a year after the United dehubbing.   

 

Ah-hah!  Mystery solved.  PIT is paying $400,000 a year for the Wow flights.  http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2016/11/07/Discount-airline-bringing-wow-prices-to-European-destinations/stories/201611070053

 

 

Where are the (why aren't the) business leaders in CLE pushing for a Euro flight?

 

And how much longer will Szabo be "interim"?

 

They may be...but as I wrote in a different post above, the demand has to be on both ends.  It can't just be Cleveland revenue.  It must flow both ways. 

 

PIT has already demonstrated that it can support European flights.  The Paris flight is no longer subsidized.  WOW is just stepping in to sop up the gravy that present capacity can't handle.

 

If Delta upguages to a 767 would WOW be able to compete?

 

No way Delta upgauges to a 767. The flight has been cut back to the 3 peak summer months. It's been struggling without the subsidy.

 

  Since CLE is a self-sustaining entity that is having budget issues, how would they ever afford the subsidy?      It will be interesting to review Hopkins 2016 books and see if there has been any financial recovery since the de-hubbing in 2013.

 

In these deals the airport itself usually offers to waive landing fees and sometimes counter/gate rental. Civic parties, like Team NEO, Downtown Cleveland Alliance, and Greater Cleveland Partnership might offer free advertising and promotion. Big companies like Cle Clinic, S-W Paint, Eaton, etc. commit to buying some number of seats. Put them all together and it's a valuable package. But you need a spark plug to get the bundle packaged and promoted. I don't think we have that kind of spark at the airport.

 

CLE's financial reports are on file with the FAA in their CATS database.  http://cats.airports.faa.gov/Reports/reports.cfm

Form 126 is intergovernmental transfers. Form 127 is a sort of balance sheet and operating statement.

 

FWIW, CLE operated at a small profit and paid down a good bit of debt for 2015. Their cost per emplaned passenger dropped by about $4, which was very good performance for just a year after the United dehubbing.   

 

Ah-hah!  Mystery solved.  PIT is paying $400,000 a year for the Wow flights.  http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2016/11/07/Discount-airline-bringing-wow-prices-to-European-destinations/stories/201611070053

 

 

 

This is what happens when you let a former EMS commissioner and city OPM head run an airport. Need someone knowledgeable at this position. Oh well.

I personally don't see this as a big deal.  Sure, it would look nice on paper with a European carrier.  But if I am going to Europe, Im going to Rome, Amsterdam, Paris or Barcelona.  Not rekyvyk.  And Im not flying all the way up there to layover, when I can just layover on the east coast and then get directly to my destination.  The low cost is appealing, but I am thinking that the convenience and duration takes a hit, unless of course you are going to Iceland.

I personally don't see this as a big deal.  Sure, it would look nice on paper with a European carrier.  But if I am going to Europe, Im going to Rome, Amsterdam, Paris or Barcelona.  Not rekyvyk.  And Im not flying all the way up there to layover, when I can just layover on the east coast and then get directly to my destination.  The low cost is appealing, but I am thinking that the convenience and duration takes a hit, unless of course you are going to Iceland.

 

I know on a map Iceland seems off course but the curvature of the Earth and weather patterns means most aircraft fly near or over Iceland on their way to Europe and back if you live in the United States. So it's not "all the way up there".

 

There is no metric for European flying post hub for Cleveland and there is no interest from any Euro or US carrier to fly to Cleveland-Europe. So, yeah, it was kind of a big deal.

 

The appeal with this airline is that its finally bringing low-cost European service to the states, particularly the smaller markets (the next smallest was BWI). Another big perk with wow is that some layovers are a full 24 hours in Reykjavík, which is quickly becoming a hot travel spot. (rim shot).

 

CLE's financial reports are on file with the FAA in their CATS database.  http://cats.airports.faa.gov/Reports/reports.cfm

Form 126 is intergovernmental transfers. Form 127 is a sort of balance sheet and operating statement.

 

FWIW, CLE operated at a small profit and paid down a good bit of debt for 2015. Their cost per emplaned passenger dropped by about $4, which was very good performance for just a year after the United dehubbing.   

 

Ah-hah!  Mystery solved.  PIT is paying $400,000 a year for the Wow flights.  http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2016/11/07/Discount-airline-bringing-wow-prices-to-European-destinations/stories/201611070053

 

 

This is what happens when you let a former EMS commissioner and city OPM head run an airport. Need someone knowledgeable at this position. Oh well.

 

^^agreed 100%.  Also in a city where the COO is a former water meter reader who "worked his way up the ranks." 

I personally don't see this as a big deal.  Sure, it would look nice on paper with a European carrier.  But if I am going to Europe, Im going to Rome, Amsterdam, Paris or Barcelona.  Not rekyvyk.  And Im not flying all the way up there to layover, when I can just layover on the east coast and then get directly to my destination.  The low cost is appealing, but I am thinking that the convenience and duration takes a hit, unless of course you are going to Iceland.

 

I know on a map Iceland seems off course but the curvature of the Earth and weather patterns means most aircraft fly near or over Iceland on their way to Europe and back if you live in the United States. So it's not "all the way up there".

 

There is no metric for European flying post hub for Cleveland and there is no interest from any Euro or US carrier to fly to Cleveland-Europe. So, yeah, it was kind of a big deal.

 

Right but if I was not going to use it unless I went to Iceland, why would I care?

I personally don't see this as a big deal.  Sure, it would look nice on paper with a European carrier.  But if I am going to Europe, Im going to Rome, Amsterdam, Paris or Barcelona.  Not rekyvyk.  And Im not flying all the way up there to layover, when I can just layover on the east coast and then get directly to my destination.  The low cost is appealing, but I am thinking that the convenience and duration takes a hit, unless of course you are going to Iceland.

 

I know on a map Iceland seems off course but the curvature of the Earth and weather patterns means most aircraft fly near or over Iceland on their way to Europe and back if you live in the United States. So it's not "all the way up there".

 

There is no metric for European flying post hub for Cleveland and there is no interest from any Euro or US carrier to fly to Cleveland-Europe. So, yeah, it was kind of a big deal.

 

Right but if I was not going to use it unless I went to Iceland, why would I care?

 

Because even though it may not benefit you personally it would benefit the entire region.

I personally don't see this as a big deal.  Sure, it would look nice on paper with a European carrier.  But if I am going to Europe, Im going to Rome, Amsterdam, Paris or Barcelona.  Not rekyvyk.  And Im not flying all the way up there to layover, when I can just layover on the east coast and then get directly to my destination.  The low cost is appealing, but I am thinking that the convenience and duration takes a hit, unless of course you are going to Iceland.

 

I know on a map Iceland seems off course but the curvature of the Earth and weather patterns means most aircraft fly near or over Iceland on their way to Europe and back if you live in the United States. So it's not "all the way up there".

 

There is no metric for European flying post hub for Cleveland and there is no interest from any Euro or US carrier to fly to Cleveland-Europe. So, yeah, it was kind of a big deal.

 

Right but if I was not going to use it unless I went to Iceland, why would I care?

 

Simply put, it's probably the best shot of Cleveland has at getting any service to Europe at all.

Because if CLE doesn't get it, PIT or Cbus or Indy or ?? will. And it adds traffic and is a draw and establishes a base. And down the road, who knows.... maybe a nonstop. But, either way, gives CLE somthing unique to sell, especially in a situation where a legacy airline likely isn't coming here and where top 20 population NEO already barely has top 50 air service.

Because if CLE doesn't get it, PIT or Cbus or Indy or ?? will. And it adds traffic and is a draw and establishes a base. And down the road, who knows.... maybe a nonstop. But, either way, gives CLE somthing unique to sell, especially in a situation where a legacy airline likely isn't coming here and where top 20 population NEO already barely has top 50 air service.

 

More bad news for CLE. Pittsburgh will get low-cost Condor non-stops to Frankfurt 2x weekly starting June 2017. This pretty much locks the door on Cleveland-Euro service for the foreseeable future. I'm sure Condor didn't even bother talking to the Cleveland folks like WOW! did.

Because if CLE doesn't get it, PIT or Cbus or Indy or ?? will. And it adds traffic and is a draw and establishes a base. And down the road, who knows.... maybe a nonstop. But, either way, gives CLE somthing unique to sell, especially in a situation where a legacy airline likely isn't coming here and where top 20 population NEO already barely has top 50 air service.

 

More bad news for CLE. Pittsburgh will get low-cost Condor non-stops to Frankfurt 2x weekly starting June 2017. This pretty much locks the door on Cleveland-Euro service for the foreseeable future. I'm sure Condor didn't even bother talking to the Cleveland folks like WOW! did.

 

Ouch.  It doesn't even seem like they are trying.  Status quo seems satisfactory for the CLE airport system leadership.  Not even a nonstop to MCI seems to be on the horizon.

Thats definitely a flight i would take.  That is disappointing

Looks like it was the Pennsylviana state government that stepped up to bribe WOW and Condor for the new Pittsburgh international service:

 

Pittsburgh, however, appears to have deeper pockets. The airport is paying WOW $800,000 over two years to subsidize the new service; Condor is getting $500,000.

 

The money for the subsidies is coming from the Pennsylvania Department of Community and Economic Development.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2016/11/cleveland_hopkins_loses_out_to.html#incart_river_home

The Pittsburgh-Paris flight started off this way too, and has continued without the subsidy.

Looks like it was the Pennsylviana state government that stepped up to bribe WOW and Condor for the new Pittsburgh international service:

 

Pittsburgh, however, appears to have deeper pockets. The airport is paying WOW $800,000 over two years to subsidize the new service; Condor is getting $500,000.

 

The money for the subsidies is coming from the Pennsylvania Department of Community and Economic Development.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2016/11/cleveland_hopkins_loses_out_to.html#incart_river_home

 

Absolutely it's a bribe. Pittsburgh now has non-stops to Iceland, Paris and Frankfurt. Cleveland's international destinations are Toronto and weekend service to Cancun. Which is a true international airport?

Pittsburgh, obviously.  But Toronto service is daily, no?  I still dont understand the bravado with having an international and huge airport.  I fly weekly in and out of small places and metropolises.  We get to where we need to go.  For example, I was in Traverse City not long ago.  That is an outstanding place, same with Asheville, NC.  They have like 5 destinations they fly to.  We need to accept what and where Cleveland is right now.  We are a post-industrial city that is working very hard to improve itself.  That goes from everything to jobs, to food to airports to neighborhoods.  We just arent there yet and frankly fixing 5 decades of decline will probably take a while to.  Thats not an indictment on the city, i love living here and i could live anywhere in the country with my job.  I want to be here.  But at some point we need to understand where we are at and just do what we can to be the change you want to see.  if you desperately want international destinations, form a group of people and businesses from Cleveland to rally around these airport guys that are trying to recruit the airlines.  Write letters to airline executives with supporting statistics.  I feel like i read the same eeyore stuff on here every month and its not going to fix anything.

The current director at Pittsburgh International has helped up the number of non-stops from 37 in Jan 15 to 64. She is out there selling the airport, using these incetives- which MANY airports use to draw service in, hoping that the region will respond and the service will continue when the subsidy runs out. (like Paris). But it's not perfect and you have some things up on us...your focus city is Frontier- which goes to larger cities, ours is Southern Airlines- which connect Pittsburgh to smaller cities in the region via essential air. We STILL don't have non-stop to Seattle and Portland, and again, you have a strong rail link to the CBD. Hopkins is a still a strong, great airport.

I still dont understand the bravado with having an international and huge airport.  I fly weekly in and out of small places and metropolises.  We get to where we need to go.  For example, I was in Traverse City not long ago.  That is an outstanding place, same with Asheville, NC.  They have like 5 destinations they fly to.  We need to accept what and where Cleveland is right now.  We are a post-industrial city that is working very hard to improve itself.  That goes from everything to jobs, to food to airports to neighborhoods.  We just arent there yet and frankly fixing 5 decades of decline will probably take a while to.  Thats not an indictment on the city, i love living here and i could live anywhere in the country with my job.  I want to be here.  But at some point we need to understand where we are at and just do what we can to be the change you want to see.  if you desperately want international destinations, form a group of people and businesses from Cleveland to rally around these airport guys that are trying to recruit the airlines.  Write letters to airline executives with supporting statistics.  I feel like i read the same eeyore stuff on here every month and its not going to fix anything.

 

Cities attract jobs and residents by having several key ingredients, and greater access to low-cost, convenient transportation is one of the most important. If Pittsburgh has more non-stops to more domestic and international destinations than Cleveland, why should a business choose to locate in Cleveland vs. Pittsburgh? What was one of the biggest reasons for Dallas and Atlanta starting to boom in the 1970s? Because their city leaders built and expanded their airports, and attracted more airlines to create hubs and flights there. That attracted more corporate jobs in their metro areas.

 

Why does any city need to "accept" what it is? Cities are what cities are because of the conscious actions of the people within it. If enough caring, talented people unite to take their city in a new direction, it has a much greater chance going in that direction. Cleveland can be whatever it wants to be, so long as we have identified through consensus-building shared goals and strategies, and that we're patient and willing to do the hard work to get there. If Cleveland wants to grow again, it's going to have to take risks. Growth never happens without risk. Cities are their own best allies and worst enemies. Ever notice that, in cities that aren't growing, there seem to be more naysayers? If you can envision it, you may be motivated to seek it. If you can't envision it, people often don't even try.

Pittsburgh, obviously.  But Toronto service is daily, no?  I still dont understand the bravado with having an international and huge airport.  I fly weekly in and out of small places and metropolises.  We get to where we need to go.  For example, I was in Traverse City not long ago.  That is an outstanding place, same with Asheville, NC.  They have like 5 destinations they fly to.  We need to accept what and where Cleveland is right now.  We are a post-industrial city that is working very hard to improve itself.  That goes from everything to jobs, to food to airports to neighborhoods.  We just arent there yet and frankly fixing 5 decades of decline will probably take a while to.  Thats not an indictment on the city, i love living here and i could live anywhere in the country with my job.  I want to be here.  But at some point we need to understand where we are at and just do what we can to be the change you want to see.  if you desperately want international destinations, form a group of people and businesses from Cleveland to rally around these airport guys that are trying to recruit the airlines.  Write letters to airline executives with supporting statistics.  I feel like i read the same eeyore stuff on here every month and its not going to fix anything.

 

There's no bravado and discussing why Hopkins is falling behind other peer airports in the region is not Eeyore stuff.

 

If you want business growth and real transition from decline, Cleveland has to be global city. It's very simple.

It must be nice to get money from the state to subsidize these flights. Wish we had a proactive state government.

It would be nice if the cleveland.com reporter who covers Hopkins news looked into some of this:

    Why no new director?  Are they even looking?

    What are their goals for service enhancements?

    Why did they spend so much money on dubious cosmetic improvements, when they need to incentivize airlines?

    What problems with growth do managememt see from their perch?  What do they think they need to do differently?

    What projects are coming up next?

    What reasons are airlines giving for not adding destinations (any other than profitabiliy)?

    Should responsibility for running the airport be shifted away from Cleveland to an entity with more regional clout?

    What are /are not local businesses and organizations doing to assist air service development efforts?

   

   

 

   

 

It would be nice if the cleveland.com reporter who covers Hopkins news looked into some of this:

    Why no new director?  Are they even looking?

    What are their goals for service enhancements?

    Why did they spend so much money on dubious cosmetic improvements, when they need to incentivize airlines?

    What problems with growth do managememt see from their perch?  What do they think they need to do differently?

    What projects are coming up next?

    What reasons are airlines giving for not adding destinations (any other than profitabiliy)?

    Should responsibility for running the airport be shifted away from Cleveland to an entity with more regional clout?

   

   

 

   

 

 

Most PD articles on Hopkins are like PR pieces for the airlines: Spirit is starting service to XXX, Frontier is cutting service to XXX. I doubt anyone at the PD is willing to risk their careers through losing city contacts and asking those questions.

I still dont understand the bravado with having an international and huge airport.  I fly weekly in and out of small places and metropolises.  We get to where we need to go.  For example, I was in Traverse City not long ago.  That is an outstanding place, same with Asheville, NC.  They have like 5 destinations they fly to.  We need to accept what and where Cleveland is right now.  We are a post-industrial city that is working very hard to improve itself.  That goes from everything to jobs, to food to airports to neighborhoods.  We just arent there yet and frankly fixing 5 decades of decline will probably take a while to.  Thats not an indictment on the city, i love living here and i could live anywhere in the country with my job.  I want to be here.  But at some point we need to understand where we are at and just do what we can to be the change you want to see.  if you desperately want international destinations, form a group of people and businesses from Cleveland to rally around these airport guys that are trying to recruit the airlines.  Write letters to airline executives with supporting statistics.  I feel like i read the same eeyore stuff on here every month and its not going to fix anything.

 

Cities attract jobs and residents by having several key ingredients, and greater access to low-cost, convenient transportation is one of the most important. If Pittsburgh has more non-stops to more domestic and international destinations than Cleveland, why should a business choose to locate in Cleveland vs. Pittsburgh? What was one of the biggest reasons for Dallas and Atlanta starting to boom in the 1970s? Because their city leaders built and expanded their airports, and attracted more airlines to create hubs and flights there. That attracted more corporate jobs in their metro areas.

 

Why does any city need to "accept" what it is? Cities are what cities are because of the conscious actions of the people within it. If enough caring, talented people unite to take their city in a new direction, it has a much greater chance going in that direction. Cleveland can be whatever it wants to be, so long as we have identified through consensus-building shared goals and strategies, and that we're patient and willing to do the hard work to get there. If Cleveland wants to grow again, it's going to have to take risks. Growth never happens without risk. Cities are their own best allies and worst enemies. Ever notice that, in cities that aren't growing, there seem to be more naysayers? If you can envision it, you may be motivated to seek it. If you can't envision it, people often don't even try.

 

I think we are in agreement here. My point was if people are upset with our airport offerings, then do something about it and care about it, as you suggest.  This is not something I really care about, thus I direct my energy towards other things in our city.

 

 

It must be nice to get money from the state to subsidize these flights. Wish we had a proactive state government.

 

We did have. Ohio funded $56 million of that SkyBus fiasco a few years back that lived and died in Columbus. Another feather in Strickland's cap, I believe.

It would be nice if the cleveland.com reporter who covers Hopkins news looked into some of this:

    Why no new director?  Are they even looking?

    What are their goals for service enhancements?

    Why did they spend so much money on dubious cosmetic improvements, when they need to incentivize airlines?

    What problems with growth do managememt see from their perch?  What do they think they need to do differently?

    What projects are coming up next?

    What reasons are airlines giving for not adding destinations (any other than profitabiliy)?

    Should responsibility for running the airport be shifted away from Cleveland to an entity with more regional clout?

   

   

 

   

 

 

Most PD articles on Hopkins are like PR pieces for the airlines: Spirit is starting service to XXX, Frontier is cutting service to XXX. I doubt anyone at the PD is willing to risk their careers through losing city contacts and asking those questions.

 

Sad, but true.  Maybe Scene would take a stab at it, because all the questions above are valid. 

 

I wonder if the PIT director gets and commission for growth?  Incentivized compensation seems like a great way to fill that position, but I'm sure the city can't and won't attempt such a thing.  If they ever fill the spot it will be a crony put in there to check the status of the carpeting and collect a check until the pension kicks in.

 

Everyone was talking about subsidies and incentives...here's some figures and stats.

 

Friendly cities make for friendly skies

November 13, 2016

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2016/11/13/Friendly-cities-make-for-friendly-skies/stories/201611130099?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#link_time=1479076347

From Pittsburgh's regional chamber of commerce, the Allegheny Conference...

 

Pittsburgh region's robust int'l biz presence boosted by new direct connects 2 Europe https://t.co/goGdC3gw79 @TribLIVE @PITairport @GACCPIT

Cleveland's airport annoyance. A Channel 3 News Investigation.

http://www.wkyc.com/mb/news/investigations/clevelands-airport-annoyance-a-channel-3-news-investigation/351052327

Basically, there are 171.6 million reasons the city will be content to sit on this until 2029.  Regardless of who runs the airport, who would give up that revenue stream?  Nothing they do to Concourse D would generate that in the short term, and if we know anything about politics, it's that it is more about the short term.

Basically, there are 171.6 million reasons the city will be content to sit on this until 2029.  Regardless of who runs the airport, who would give up that revenue stream?  Nothing they do to Concourse D would generate that in the short term, and if we know anything about politics, it's that it is more about the short term.

 

I just hope they keep up the maintenance.  If there's anything we know about the City of Cleveland, if there isn't the public watching over the employees every move, they are probably asleep in the corner somewhere and not maintaining Concourse D!

I just hope they keep up the maintenance.  If there's anything we know about the City of Cleveland, if there isn't the public watching over the employees every move, they are probably asleep in the corner somewhere and not maintaining Concourse D!

 

On average, I fly a little more than once a month, and to the credit of the airport, 3 times of every 4 I see someone over there vacuuming or doing minor maintenance.  But I'm with you; I hope the structure remains well tended to so they can start making plans in 2026 to utilize the space.  If they can be proactive, a new master plan should be drafted shortly before that.

Parking fees at the airport for any lot/garage are being raised by $1. Smart park garage is now up to $18 a day.  http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/11/cleveland_hopkins_airport_incr.html

 

Parking fees at the airport for any lot/garage are being raised by $1. Smart park garage is now up to $18 a day.  http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/11/cleveland_hopkins_airport_incr.html

 

 

I guess they have to pay for that new (hideous) covered parking.  Because at Hopkins you can park your car under a cover, but you can't get dropped off or picked up without getting soaking wet.....

Parking fees at the airport for any lot/garage are being raised by $1. Smart park garage is now up to $18 a day.  http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/11/cleveland_hopkins_airport_incr.html

 

I always enjoy reading the comments.  It seems like there are people that just wait for anything to say "Cleveland Hopkins" so they can immediately post their "CLE sucks, fly out of CAK" comments.  Personally, the parking doesn't affect me much... I fly once or twice a month, but only for 3 days at a time, so I park at Brookpark and take the rapid to the terminal.  $5.00 beats airport parking any day for me!  I am hopeful that they finish that station soon; it will improve that experience immensely.

I saw a Delta 757 at C3 this morning.  Is CLE running charters out of the terminal?

I saw a Delta 757 at C3 this morning.  Is CLE running charters out of the terminal?

 

I'll bet it was a basketball team.  Who are the Cavs playing?

I saw a Delta 757 at C3 this morning.  Is CLE running charters out of the terminal?

 

I'll bet it was a basketball team.  Who are the Cavs playing?

 

The Lakers--but I would doubt they would parade them through the terminal?  Unless they arrived at like 4 am and it wouldn't matter.

Based on USDoT data for the first nine months, CLE will just about match 2013 with scheduled domestic boardings this year exceeding 4 million. Counting charters and international as reported by CLE, total 2016 arrivals and departures should end up somewhere north of 9 million.

 

If achieved, this will represent a COMPLETE traffic recovery from the last full year with the UA hub.

 

http://www.transtats.bts.gov/Data_Elements.aspx?Data=1 

I saw a Delta 757 at C3 this morning.  Is CLE running charters out of the terminal?

 

I'll bet it was a basketball team.  Who are the Cavs playing?

 

The Lakers--but I would doubt they would parade them through the terminal?  Unless they arrived at like 4 am and it wouldn't matter.

 

I think it is the Lakers.  DL 8929 is the flight reference.  Based on the schedule it arrived last night from Philly and Departs later tonight for Charlotte--same as the Lakers. 

 

I wonder do they make them go through security or just bus them out on the tarmac to board?

 

I think it is the Lakers.  DL 8929 is the flight reference.  Based on the schedule it arrived last night from Philly and Departs later tonight for Charlotte--same as the Lakers. 

 

I wonder do they make them go through security or just bus them out on the tarmac to board?

 

I would bet that they get bused.

"Frontier Airlines to resume flights from Cleveland Hopkins to Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, LAX"

 

Frontier is resuming their seasonal non-stop service to west coast and southern cities. The only one that didn't make the cut: Philly.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2016/12/frontier_airlines_to_resume_fl.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home