May 2, 20232 yr Back in the 70s, United, American and Northwest were flying DC-10s in and out of CLE. And United also had 747 service to Chicago (perhaps it was the smallest variant of that aircraft). And that was before the runway was extended.
May 2, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: Back in the 70s, United, American and Northwest were flying DC-10s in and out of CLE. And United also had 747 service to Chicago (perhaps it was the smallest variant of that aircraft). And that was before the runway was extended. Not fuel much needed for a 747 hop over to Chicago. To Frankfurt? Different story... Also airline and FAA safety regs may have not been as conservative back then. Fedex and UPS still operate 767s and MD11's daily out of CLE to MEM and SDF so also short hops....
May 2, 20232 yr Here is an interesting article I found: https://www.aviationcle.com/post/the-jumbo-jet-arrives-at-cle
May 2, 20232 yr Because of intersection with Runway 10-28 (the one that parallels Brookpark), the longest runways 6R/L-24L/R were shortened a few years ago by FAA order by about a thousand feet to eliminate the rare possibility of runway incursions. One of those "abundance of caution" things Washington is so fond of. This left 9000 and 9953 foot parallel runways in place today which can accommodate simultaneous operations in good weather. They are long enough to support almost anything you would want to fly on any commercial aircraft to Europe at full loads and less-than-full fuel, but not to Asia, which requires more fuel. At the moment nobody is considering a CLE-Asia flight. If longer runways are ever required, the 6-24s could be extended to the south (with some difficulty) or to the north if 10-28 is closed or replaced Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 2, 20232 yr I assume the FAA order was made after the relocation of the section of Brookpark Rd north of the airport. As for a CLE to Asia nonstop, that would be very long. I wouldn't want to do it.
May 2, 20232 yr Interesting factoid: CLE's 6-24s used to be the 5-23s, but the earth's magnetic pole shifted. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 2, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: Yeah, I thought they were different. I wonder when/why they were changed? They were changed due to shifting magnetic variation of the earth's poles. I don't remember the year, but think it was around 2000 ish.
May 2, 20232 yr Oh, I thought that was a joke. So I assume runway numbers changed at other airports as well.
May 2, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: Oh, I thought that was a joke. So I assume runway numbers changed at other airports as well. Yes they do from time to time, depending on the variation at their location.
May 2, 20232 yr 26 minutes ago, Cleburger said: Yes they do from time to time, depending on the variation at their location. https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/airport-runway-names-shift-magnetic-field
May 3, 20232 yr https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2023/05/cleveland-on-short-list-for-new-frontier-airlines-crew-base.html
May 3, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2023/05/cleveland-on-short-list-for-new-frontier-airlines-crew-base.html I think the decision has already been made in favor of CLE. EVPs aren't normally that forthcoming about things that might not happen. What might derail it is a general recession and significant unemployment. The low-cost carriers would feel that first. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 3, 20232 yr 14 minutes ago, Dougal said: I think the decision has already been made in favor of CLE. EVPs aren't normally that forthcoming about things that might not happen. What might derail it is a general recession and significant unemployment. The low-cost carriers would feel that first. With crew bases, do the crew members use temporary housing? Or is it more likely that crew domiciling here purchase homes? I profess, I know nothing of how that all works.
May 3, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, plinth857 said: With crew bases, do the crew members use temporary housing? Or is it more likely that crew domiciling here purchase homes? I profess, I know nothing of how that all works. It can be a combination of things, they hire new FAs and pilots to be based/living out of CLE. They can transfer individuals which they can commute into the airport on another airline or on a frontier flight but that seems more difficult to achieve with the lack of daily flight schedule from Frontier. Those individuals can request a transfer themselves and move on their own dime as well.
May 3, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, plinth857 said: With crew bases, do the crew members use temporary housing? Or is it more likely that crew domiciling here purchase homes? I profess, I know nothing of how that all works. Many of those based in Cleveland (at least not initially) will live there. Many pilots and Flight attendants who have a base in a specific city will commute there for their shifts. So the FA or Pilot could live in say Miami but have Cleveland as their home base and then they have to fly to Cleveland to begin their shift. I am not sure how it works with Frontier, but I know Delta allows their flight attendants to fly free when they are commuting to work.
May 3, 20232 yr When I lived in Geauga County in the early 1980s, my neighbor was a pilot for the New York City-Santiago route for Eastern Airlines. His drive to Hopkins (before I-480 was finished) took almost as long as his jumpseat ride from Hopkins to JFK. He had a long commute! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 5, 20232 yr Frontier Airlines considering using Cleveland Hopkins Airport as crew base Exciting news for CLE! Hope Frontier makes it official soon! I work for UA and we have 500+ pilots and flight attendants based out of Hopkins; this would make a great addition! Great paying jobs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but CLE may be one of the only airports of its size with potentially 2 mainline crew bases. Great for the local economy.
May 5, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, ws966112 said: Frontier Airlines considering using Cleveland Hopkins Airport as crew base Exciting news for CLE! Hope Frontier makes it official soon! I work for UA and we have 500+ pilots and flight attendants based out of Hopkins; this would make a great addition! Great paying jobs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but CLE may be one of the only airports of its size with potentially 2 mainline crew bases. Great for the local economy. CVG still has a large Delta Pilot and FA base and Allegiant has a decent size base too here. Glad to see CLE getting Frontier to step up with UA pulling back as much as they have over the years, even if i am not a Frontier fan its good all around for the region.
May 5, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, savadams13 said: CVG still has a large Delta Pilot and FA base and Allegiant has a decent size base too here. Glad to see CLE getting Frontier to step up with UA pulling back as much as they have over the years, even if i am not a Frontier fan its good all around for the region. UA actually doubled their Cleveland crew base during the pandemic after they added a bunch of point-to-point flying from CLE (mostly Florida, Caribbean, Mexico) - nothing like the good old Continental days, but growth is growth. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 5, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, savadams13 said: CVG still has a large Delta Pilot and FA base and Allegiant has a decent size base too here. Glad to see CLE getting Frontier to step up with UA pulling back as much as they have over the years, even if i am not a Frontier fan its good all around for the region. I thought that CVG closed their Delta pilot base and flight attendant base a few years back when they officially dehubbed the market? Was that not the case? Also, PSA which flies American Eagle has a pilot base at CVG too. My neighbor flies for them based out of CVG.
May 6, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said: I thought that CVG closed their Delta pilot base and flight attendant base a few years back when they officially dehubbed the market? Was that not the case? Also, PSA which flies American Eagle has a pilot base at CVG too. My neighbor flies for them based out of CVG. Delta reversed the decision and still has a pilot and FA base still at CVG. Talking to my neighbor who is a pilot at CVG and delta is trying to get more FAs to be transferred at CVG because they dont have enough to work the flights in and out of CVG including the Paris route.
May 6, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, savadams13 said: Delta reversed the decision and still has a pilot and FA base still at CVG. Talking to my neighbor who is a pilot at CVG and delta is trying to get more FAs to be transferred at CVG because they dont have enough to work the flights in and out of CVG including the Paris route. I would imagine some of their costs might be lower at CVG then at other airports. I would imagine fixed costs in CLE are lower than in IAD or ORD, not to mention their maintenance staff in CLE have won quality awards as well.
May 7, 20232 yr On 5/5/2023 at 9:00 PM, savadams13 said: Delta reversed the decision and still has a pilot and FA base still at CVG. Talking to my neighbor who is a pilot at CVG and delta is trying to get more FAs to be transferred at CVG because they dont have enough to work the flights in and out of CVG including the Paris route. I am surprised they never announced that in the press that they decided to keep the base open. You would figure they would want to at least brag about saving some of those jobs.
May 8, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said: I am surprised they never announced that in the press that they decided to keep the base open. You would figure they would want to at least brag about saving some of those jobs. Its well known around the cooler that Ed and the board are not big on legacy Delta people or staff, being legacy NW brass. They have begrudgingly given into the demand of the Cincinnati market but are reluctant to bring back many more flights or cities to the airport. Where the airport stands right now we are at focus city status for Delta again since there are still a number of connections that happen each day for Delta.
May 18, 20232 yr Aer Lingus Cleveland-Dublin nonstop service starts on Friday. Mayor Bibb and entourage will be on board, I assume in first-class, for a "business development trip". Taxpayers will be picking up the tab. I wonder if the mayor of Dublin and his entourage will be on the Cleveland bound flight? https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2023/05/aer-lingus-launches-nonstop-cleveland-to-dublin-service-friday-with-early-summer-flights-nearly-sold-out.html
May 18, 20232 yr 10 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: Aer Lingus Cleveland-Dublin nonstop service starts on Friday. Mayor Bibb and entourage will be on board, I assume in first-class, for a "business development trip". Taxpayers will be picking up the tab. I wonder if the mayor of Dublin and his entourage will be on the Cleveland bound flight? https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2023/05/aer-lingus-launches-nonstop-cleveland-to-dublin-service-friday-with-early-summer-flights-nearly-sold-out.html Booked my family’s trip for August. This will be my third trip to Ireland but the first for my daughter.
July 13, 20231 yr A reliable poster on airliners.net says CLE-DUB was almost totally sold out in June: "CLE loads for Dublin in June These numbers come back a point or two higher than DOT number, not sure why. Still really solid even shaving that off. inbound -94% outbound 97.5% - missing the last one of the month 89% US citizen 11% foreign citizen" Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
July 13, 20231 yr 11 minutes ago, Dougal said: A reliable poster on airliners.net says CLE-DUB was almost totally sold out in June: "CLE loads for Dublin in June These numbers come back a point or two higher than DOT number, not sure why. Still really solid even shaving that off. inbound -94% outbound 97.5% - missing the last one of the month 89% US citizen 11% foreign citizen" I took this flight June 9th and it was overbooked. Rumor was a family didn't buy a ticket for their child over 2 expecting the kid would be able to sit on their lap for the flight. Hoping that this flight remains popular and we can leverage it to more European destinations.
July 13, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Luke_S said: I took this flight June 9th and it was overbooked. Rumor was a family didn't buy a ticket for their child over 2 expecting the kid would be able to sit on their lap for the flight. Hoping that this flight remains popular and we can leverage it to more European destinations. Or hope Aer lingus moves a widebody jet onto the route...
July 13, 20231 yr 10 minutes ago, savadams13 said: Or hope Aer lingus moves a widebody jet onto the route... Doubtful. The economics of wide bodies have as much, if not more to do with the freight riding on pallets below than the passengers above. CLE would have to position it's self as a freight hub for these jets. Right now besides over at Fedex and UPS, there isn't even equipment to deal with this.
July 14, 20231 yr When can we expect a decision from the FAA regarding the renovation? I believe the goal is to start construction in 2025.
July 14, 20231 yr I thought the FAA approved the plans already and they were now working out the financing.
July 14, 20231 yr 19 hours ago, Luke_S said: Hoping that this flight remains popular and we can leverage it to more European destinations. Aer Lingus is owned by International Airlines Group, which also owns British Airways, Iberia, and others. You can bet they share data. I've been wondering if EI and BA might split the week and fly 4 days to Dublin and 3 days to London, which might keep both routes profitable and let each one grow as the traffic does. An interesting thing about the data: it's available just days after the fact from the Commerce Department; meanwhile it takes the Dept of Transportation FIVE MONTHS to crank out almost identical numbers. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
July 14, 20231 yr 14 minutes ago, Dougal said: Aer Lingus is owned by International Airlines Group, which also owns British Airways, Iberia, and others. You can bet they share data. I've been wondering if EI and BA might split the week and fly 4 days to Dublin and 3 days to London, which might keep both routes profitable and let each one grow as the traffic does. I was wondering about this as well. Flights to other places in Europe are cheap from Ireland; assuming people are using the convenience of the direct flight to Ireland to then get cheap connecting flights to other European cities I would also assume that would be detail the Aer Lingus would have (maybe a big assumption, at least with the route still new). Do airlines ever share this information with airport officials/administrators? Or is there a way folks at Hopkins could get their hands on this to target the next European destination?
July 14, 20231 yr Anecdote. My niece, her husband and their two toddlers just took the Dublin flight roundtrip as part of a week long family vacation in the south of France (other family member flew directly to Nice with US layovers in various cities). Since they were in Ireland they took advantage and spent a couple of days there on the arrival leg and another day when they were coming back to Cleveland. Of course, if they had not booked this flight, a short vacation in Dublin,, where the spent a fair amount of money, would not have been on their itinerary. I am sure this is a regular occurrence now and the Irish business interests have to be loving it.
July 14, 20231 yr I took the Aer Lingus flight to Dublin and back in June - extremely nice/comfortable- even in regular economy seats - and took inter-Europe flights to and from Dublin on Aer Lingus and Ryanair at very low cost - so Dublin seems to be a nice place for easy and inexpensive connections, even though it's not the preferred London non-stop many would think they want. Already looking at the same flight next year (bookable with United miles, FYI) - though this year there were more limited European connections offered from CLE on the Aer Lingus site - necessitating me booking those ongoing flights separately. I think someone noted the flight time from CLE might be adjusted to an earlier departure to capture more cities via morning connections.
July 18, 20231 yr CLE posted its 2022 operating numbers on the FAA Cats website. They got total debt down to 487.9 million by year's end on a free cash flow of about $65 million. By the time they get around to new construction, the debt should be somewhere in the $350 million range. Go here for all the details and scroll to CLE for the airport, year 2022, Screen Form 127 https://cats.airports.faa.gov/Reports/rpt127.cfm Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
July 29, 20231 yr Cleveland Hopkins in 2023 will see a completed master plan and 10 million passenger visits Kim Palmer | July 28th 2023 "[Bryant] Francis, who has been in the [director of port control] for about two months, said the airport is looking at a 2023 with two big developments: hitting passenger/visitor numbers of 10 million for the first time since 2019, and finalizing Hopkins’ 20-year master plan. ... The first phase of the master plan predicts needs based on an increase to around 11 million annual passengers, with those improvements costing between $800 million and $900 million. Planned infrastructure changes will increase the ticketing/check-in area by more than 3,000 square feet; nearly double the security screening checkpoint square footage; increase the number of gates to 53 from 45 while also increasing the seating capacity at the gates; and add 4,000 more parking spaces to the 65,000 currently available, he said." https://www.crainscleveland.com/government/cleveland-hopkins-2023-see-passengers-climb-above-10m
August 5, 20231 yr We booked an Aer Lingus flight to Dublin for November. My wife has been but I have not. We’re driving up from Cincy rather than flying from CVG and having a connection. It appears that we will pre-clear US customs before we leave Dublin so we won’t have to go through CLE customs. 🙌
August 5, 20231 yr 3 minutes ago, richNcincy said: We booked an Aer Lingus flight to Dublin for November. My wife has been but I have not. We’re driving up from Cincy rather than flying from CVG and having a connection. It appears that we will pre-clear US customs before we leave Dublin so we won’t have to go through CLE customs. 🙌 DUB does have a US FCIS pre-clearance center.
August 5, 20231 yr YES! Took the very comfortable 7 hour Aer Lingus flight and did pre-clearance in June - quick and easy and just walked off plane to our car in CLE. Great benefit of DUB-CLE flight. (And if you happen to have Prioroty Pass via a credit card,as many do, enjoyed the DUB lounge right outside of pre-clearance prior to our flight. Nice free food and alcohol selection...)
August 7, 20231 yr I arrived at Cle last night around 8:15 pm from a quick weekend trip. I was surprised in the amount of people in the airport. The Dublin flight was also departing as I took the long walk down the C Concourse. Is it possible that CLE might have 11 million passengers this year? Also, at what point will Aer Lingus have an official ticketing counter? I didn't notice one walking through.
August 7, 20231 yr Nice to know there is now some activity in the evening. In the past when I have returned in the evening, the airport was always deserted. I don't think 11M is possible this year, but hopefully 10M or close to it.
August 7, 20231 yr I just arrived back in the USA last night too via the new Dublin-Cleveland flight. Every seat on the plane was full, according to the gate agent. The airport was jammed just as that monsoon arrived. I departed that morning from Barcelona, in the rain, transferred at Dublin, in the rain, and arrived home, in the rain. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 7, 20231 yr 51 minutes ago, dski44 said: I arrived at Cle last night around 8:15 pm from a quick weekend trip. I was surprised in the amount of people in the airport. The Dublin flight was also departing as I took the long walk down the C Concourse. Is it possible that CLE might have 11 million passengers this year? Also, at what point will Aer Lingus have an official ticketing counter? I didn't notice one walking through. Unfortunately, either Aer Lingus, the airport, or both went the cost saving route and were using only the Aer Lingus logo on video monitors to denote the "official" check in counter - and only when operating - not during off hours, as I recall from last visit. A good old hard sign would surely look better and seem more permanent. Edited August 7, 20231 yr by eyehrtfood
August 7, 20231 yr Well, with CLE's bad luck with international service over the last several years, perhaps they want to wait a while before putting up any signage.
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