Green Leaf's sounds good, but there was a Rock Hall store in the airport before all this began, I guess it's just new to the developer...  nothing impressive.  Villa is good too, it's a greasy carb heaven.

I wish we could get a PC on the D concourse or move Delta/United/SW to the A concourse and put a PC on the upper level where the observation deck was!

 

Well maybe not United, since they will be our new partner.

What's a PC?  There is an upper level?  Delta is staying where it is and Northwest is moving into A by the way since the DAL/NWA combined ops will be below the B security checkpoint.  And ya... United isn't anywhere close to you guys.  Wish DAL would beef up the flights in and out of CLE to compete so I could get to work more easily ;)

What's a PC?  There is an upper level?  Delta is staying where it is and Northwest is moving into A by the way since the DAL/NWA combined ops will be below the B security checkpoint.  And ya... United isn't anywhere close to you guys.  Wish DAL would beef up the flights in and out of CLE to compete so I could get to work more easily ;)

PC=PRESIDENTS CLUB.

 

Delta and NW need to both got to A!

 

Yes there is an observation deck close to the SW gates.  There is an elevator across from the bath

Ahh, they closed that.

Ahh, they closed that.

(the observation deck, it's closed)

(the observation deck, it's closed)

 

Opps.  I don't know what happened there.  My response didn't post.  :?  It closed in May of last year.

 

The observation deck was so cool to me as a kid.  You could walk outside and stand right above the SW gates and watch the planes take off and land.  It was so cool! When my mom was an FA, my brother and I would watch planes for hours up there.

 

I wish Delta, SW and NW (aka the new delta) would move to A so that Continental could take over B.  This way the city could reopen the deck or build a cool restaurant up top. 

Hopkins Airport To Add Cell-Phone Lot

 

POSTED: 10:26 am EDT March 11, 2009

 

CLEVELAND -- Cleveland Hopkins airport is moving to add a free parking area for motorists picking up arriving passengers.

 

So-called "cell-phone waiting areas" have been opening at airports throughout the country as an answer to post-9/11 security that bars drivers from idling at the arrivals area.

 

Last year, the main airport in Columbus opened a lot for people to wait for friends or loved ones to call saying their flight had landed.

 

Hopkins Director Ricky Smith hopes to have an area with 50 parking spaces ready by Thanksgiving. He says it's something airport customers have been asking for. Construction will begin once City Council approves the hiring of a contractor.

 

Display screens will eventually be added to the lot providing up-to-date flight information.

 

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/18905939/detail.html

That's a great idea -- and nice that it will have the flight status shown. Where will this lot be located?

I don't see a huge need for this - there's already the 30-minute free parking row in the garage. 

I don't see a huge need for this - there's already the 30-minute free parking row in the garage.

 

Exactly, I don't really get it either.  If necessary it seems like they could simply increase that time limit a bit.

Cell-phone lots are great if you are the person doing the pickup and have no desire to go in and wait.

^Yeah, they really are.  I picked up a friend once at the Tampa Airport that had one of these, complete with a huge sign showing all arrivals and everyone parked there like a drive in movie.  I thought it was a great idea.  I think the main reason is to alleviate congestion near the main terminal and parking areas.  They tend to be a little off the beaten path but an easy in and out if designed well.  Even though there is already free parking in the garage, the mindset of many people is to just circle around thinking that entering a garage, getting a ticket....etc is a hassle.

Cbus and CVG both have them.

I think is more about staying competitive with other airports.

I think is more about staying competitive with other airports.

Bingo.  Most airports with these lots don't have the benefit of direct rail access like we do.

I don't see a huge need for this - there's already the 30-minute free parking row in the garage.

 

I've often gone to pick someone up at the airport and found that the plane is late.  I can circle once or twice, then I have to park and go in and check the board.  By that time, fifteen minutes of my half hour are gone and I pretty much have to go back to my car and move it. 

 

That half hour goes by quickly, particularly with the number of delays we can have in the winter.  There is no reason anyone would "take advantage" of the system and park in the garage for only three hours, there's only a Starbucks that you can access without a ticket.  All of the other stores are on the other side of security.  And the shortest work shift is unlikely to be less than 4 hours.  So changing the free half hour to a free three hours would solve the problem entirely, and probably would cost less and be easier to implement than a new lot with arrival displays.

I don't see a huge need for this - there's already the 30-minute free parking row in the garage.

 

I've often gone to pick someone up at the airport and found that the plane is late. I can circle once or twice, then I have to park and go in and check the board. By that time, fifteen minutes of my half hour are gone and I pretty much have to go back to my car and move it.

 

That half hour goes by quickly, particularly with the number of delays we can have in the winter. There is no reason anyone would "take advantage" of the system and park in the garage for only three hours, there's only a Starbucks that you can access without a ticket. All of the other stores are on the other side of security. And the shortest work shift is unlikely to be less than 4 hours. So changing the free half hour to a free three hours would solve the problem entirely, and probably would cost less and be easier to implement than a new lot with arrival displays.

 

Yeah, but space is pretty tight there already with a 30 minute max.

I don't see a huge need for this - there's already the 30-minute free parking row in the garage. 

 

I've often gone to pick someone up at the airport and found that the plane is late.  I can circle once or twice, then I have to park and go in and check the board.  By that time, fifteen minutes of my half hour are gone and I pretty much have to go back to my car and move it. 

 

That half hour goes by quickly, particularly with the number of delays we can have in the winter.  There is no reason anyone would "take advantage" of the system and park in the garage for only three hours, there's only a Starbucks that you can access without a ticket.  All of the other stores are on the other side of security.  And the shortest work shift is unlikely to be less than 4 hours.  So changing the free half hour to a free three hours would solve the problem entirely, and probably would cost less and be easier to implement than a new lot with arrival displays.

 

Why don't you check via the internet?  Every airline has flight tracking built into their website.  This is accessible at home and via mobile devices.

I don't see a huge need for this - there's already the 30-minute free parking row in the garage.

 

I've often gone to pick someone up at the airport and found that the plane is late. I can circle once or twice, then I have to park and go in and check the board. By that time, fifteen minutes of my half hour are gone and I pretty much have to go back to my car and move it.

 

That half hour goes by quickly, particularly with the number of delays we can have in the winter. There is no reason anyone would "take advantage" of the system and park in the garage for only three hours, there's only a Starbucks that you can access without a ticket. All of the other stores are on the other side of security. And the shortest work shift is unlikely to be less than 4 hours. So changing the free half hour to a free three hours would solve the problem entirely, and probably would cost less and be easier to implement than a new lot with arrival displays.

 

Why don't you check via the internet? Every airline has flight tracking built into their website. This is accessible at home and via mobile devices.

 

Not everyone has a way to check the internet away from home.  I only live about 15 minutes' drive to the arrivals level of the airport but I would have no way to check flights once I'm gone. 

Little trick for people with cell phones.  You can text google (GOOGLE=466453) and if you know the flight number say American Airlines flight 666 you would text aa 666 and it would text back all updated info on the flight, such as delays.

 

It also works if you need addresses or phone numbers of places.

 

Text help to GOOGLE and it will tell you everything you need to know.

 

 

Little trick for people with cell phones.  You can text google (GOOGLE=466453) and if you know the flight number say American Airlines flight 666 you would text aa 666 and it would text back all updated info on the flight, such as delays.

 

It also works if you need addresses or phone numbers of places.

 

Text help to GOOGLE and it will tell you everything you need to know.

 

 

 

I was just going to suggest that.

Little trick for people with cell phones. You can text google (GOOGLE=466453) and if you know the flight number say American Airlines flight 666 you would text aa 666 and it would text back all updated info on the flight, such as delays.

 

It also works if you need addresses or phone numbers of places.

 

Text help to GOOGLE and it will tell you everything you need to know.

 

 

 

Do they have a phone number you can call?  Many of us luddites do not have a plan that includes text and I don't like paying per text message.  My Mom's phone isn't even enabled to send or receive texts.

Little trick for people with cell phones.  You can text google (GOOGLE=466453) and if you know the flight number say American Airlines flight 666 you would text aa 666 and it would text back all updated info on the flight, such as delays.

 

It also works if you need addresses or phone numbers of places.

 

Text help to GOOGLE and it will tell you everything you need to know.

 

 

 

Do they have a phone number you can call?  Many of us luddites do not have a plan that includes text and I don't like paying per text message.  My Mom's phone isn't even enabled to send or receive texts.

 

Luddites?  LOL

Now you are just being difficult :)

I'm not!  I don't meant to be, seriously.  We pay per text with our plan.  My mom doesn't even have texting on her phone.  I try very hard to keep my cell bill down to as low as it can be so adding on a texting plan is an unnecessary expense since I don't text anyone.

Little trick for people with cell phones. You can text google (GOOGLE=466453) and if you know the flight number say American Airlines flight 666 you would text aa 666 and it would text back all updated info on the flight, such as delays.

 

It also works if you need addresses or phone numbers of places.

 

Text help to GOOGLE and it will tell you everything you need to know.

 

 

 

Do they have a phone number you can call? Many of us luddites do not have a plan that includes text and I don't like paying per text message. My Mom's phone isn't even enabled to send or receive texts.

 

Luddites? LOL

 

I swear, we are the only people anymore who don't have some whiz-bang iPhone and a laptop.  I have a 7 year old desktop and we both have extremely basic phones.  If they made a plan for people who hardly use their phones, I would take it.  I just paid my bill today and I used a whole 31 of my allotted 450 minutes.

Little trick for people with cell phones.  You can text google (GOOGLE=466453) and if you know the flight number say American Airlines flight 666 you would text aa 666 and it would text back all updated info on the flight, such as delays.

 

It also works if you need addresses or phone numbers of places.

 

Text help to GOOGLE and it will tell you everything you need to know.

 

 

 

Do they have a phone number you can call?  Many of us luddites do not have a plan that includes text and I don't like paying per text message.  My Mom's phone isn't even enabled to send or receive texts.

 

Luddites?  LOL

 

I swear, we are the only people anymore who don't have some whiz-bang iPhone and a laptop.  I have a 7 year old desktop and we both have extremely basic phones.  If they made a plan for people who hardly use their phones, I would take it.  I just paid my bill today and I used a whole 31 of my allotted 450 minutes.

 

Your good.  I watch my budget and have receipts for everything, but you really watch every penny.  I'm in awe and envy you.

You wouldn't if you looked at my debt to income ratio.  Being sick for 5 years put me into a hole I will never dig out of, unfortunately. I will never be free of my credit card debt as long as I live, I don't have enough years left to pay it off.

 

There is no reason for us to have those fancy gadgets, they are very expensive to procure and maintain.  having something "because it would be nice to have" is not a good enough reason for me to go further into debt to buy it.  We buy something new when something we have is broken beyond repair or we have an urgent need for it. 

 

I swear, we are the only people anymore who don't have some whiz-bang iPhone and a laptop.  I have a 7 year old desktop and we both have extremely basic phones.  If they made a plan for people who hardly use their phones, I would take it.  I just paid my bill today and I used a whole 31 of my allotted 450 minutes.

 

Try either one of these, both low-cost no-contract providers...

 

https://www.consumercellular.com/Default.aspx

http://www.virginmobileusa.com/rates/month.do

 

I swear, we are the only people anymore who don't have some whiz-bang iPhone and a laptop. I have a 7 year old desktop and we both have extremely basic phones. If they made a plan for people who hardly use their phones, I would take it. I just paid my bill today and I used a whole 31 of my allotted 450 minutes.

 

Try either one of these, both low-cost no-contract providers...

 

https://www.consumercellular.com/Default.aspx

http://www.virginmobileusa.com/rates/month.do

 

Thanks. One of the reasons my cell phone bill minutes are never used however is because 99.9% of the people I call also have the same carrier that I do (Verizon). Everyone in my family got the same carrier for that reason.  If I were to switch carriers, my used minutes would probably go up a great deal and my phone bill would actually be more.

Despite all the flight cuts at CLE and around the country--here's one reversal:

 

USA3000 to Resume Cleveland-Clearwater Flights

 

"Here’s the silver lining in the current economic mess: the price of jet fuel has gone way down, which means lower airfares for consumers and more flight options for airlines.

 

Consider discount airline USA3000’s decision to resume non-stop Cleveland flights to St. Petersburg-Clearwater (PIE) starting May 1.

 

USA3000 yanked the flight in August 2008, when the cost of jet fuel hit record-high levels.

 

In a prepared release, Cleveland Airport Director Ricky D. Smith says the move “once again proves that airlines have confidence in this airport to resume a once cancelled route.”

 

USA3000 will fly the Cleveland-Clearwater route five times a week using a 168-seat A320 for the run."

 

http://news.cheapflights.com/airlines/2009/03/usa3000-to-resume-clevelandclearwater-flights.html

Doesn't exactly relate to Hopkins but since Continental has a hub at Hopkins I thought some Clevelanders would find this bonus offer of interest.

 

Gives folks who don't travel often an opportunity to do so and obtain elite status.

 

https://www.continental.com/web/en-US/apps/onepass/promotions/default.aspx

 

 

Yeah--I saw that--that is truly a great deal--if you fly just 12,500 miles-- you can get silver elite!

Really, dude, really?????  Any member of the OnePass program knows there are EasyPass fares and SaverPass fares.  It just so happens your flights weren't eligible for SaverPass....

 

 

Continental Airlines sued by Cleveland Hopkins passenger over mileage-award fees

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2009/03/passenger_sues_continental_ove.html

 

CLEVELAND -- Continental Airlines customer and Beachwood retiree David Simon has filed a class-action lawsuit against the airline, saying it did not honor its frequent flyer rewards program.

 

 

Really, dude, really? :? ?  Any member of the OnePass program knows there are EasyPass fares and SaverPass fares.  It just so happens your flights weren't eligible for SaverPass....

 

 

Continental Airlines sued by Cleveland Hopkins passenger over mileage-award fees

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2009/03/passenger_sues_continental_ove.html

 

CLEVELAND -- Continental Airlines customer and Beachwood retiree David Simon has filed a class-action lawsuit against the airline, saying it did not honor its frequent flyer rewards program.

 

In a suit filed in U.S. District Court in Cleveland, Simon said he tried to book a flight to Cleveland from Los Angeles in January using 25,000 frequent flyer miles but the airline required him either to spend 50,000 miles or to pay a $75 fee for using another airline.

 

The suit seeks compensatory and punitive damages for those who were charged more miles or fees for using the frequent flyer program.

 

 

Simons attorney, Joel Joseph, a Cleveland native living in Beverly Hills, Calif., said he believes hundreds of thousands would qualify for the suit if the court approves class-action status.

 

Calls to the airline were not immediately returned Tuesday.

 

 

 

sounds like another leisure traveler who doesn't understand frequent flyer (not our very own lol ) rules.

 

It's probably a code share and he probably booked within 14/21 days of his date of departure.

Normally I prune threads figuring people should know better, but the folks having the cellphone discussion offered helpful info - that said, if everyone got what they needed, let me know so I can keep things tidy. :-)

 

Building a new customs/immigration facility at Hopkins would have been a bigger stimulus than taxi and apron work....

 

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/news_article.aspx?storyid=111653

 

"CLEVELAND -- Cleveland Hopkins International Airport is getting $20 million in federal stimulus money to build a new taxiway and apron, the area where aircraft are usually parked and serviced.

 

The U.S. Transportation Department announced the project Wednesday.

 

The money is coming from the Federal Highway Administration, which has about $1.1 billion to allocate to airports on a discretionary basis. It's being distributed based on a priority system that addresses airport safety and security...."

 

 

 

 

Building a new customs/immigration facility at Hopkins would have been a bigger stimulus than taxi and apron work....

 

I'm not exactly sure how you can justify that comment.  Sure, a new FIS facility would be sexy (ok...relative to what's there now!) and probably would further encourage CO to add additional international flights, but they sure as hell aren't gonna commit 767s and 777s to a route in and out of CLE if the basic infrastructure of the airport ain't up to snuff.  Taxiways and aprons may not say a lot symbolically, but what good would a gleaming new FIS be if the planes are kept away because of deterioration elsewhere?

If the aprons and taxiways are in so deteriorated a state as you suggest, then they would be corrected with or without stimulus funds or face punitive action by the  FAA. Therefore, if the the new FIS ecourages CO and others to add new int'l flights, as you correctly suggest, then to stimulate growth and activity, the stimulus funding would be better used on a new FIS than on taxi/apron work.

PS--but who knows--maybe by not having to use city funds on the apron, other funds can be used on the FIS. hopefully that's the plan....

PS--but who knows--maybe by not having to use city funds on the apron, other funds can be used on the FIS. hopefully that's the plan....

 

you can hit the modify button and edit your post.

 

In regard to the FIS, why build it now when air travel is in the crapper and Clevelands flight schedule is again being reduced.  :x  When CO joins star alliance who knows what will happen with Chicago and Toronto both having more international ops than Cleveland.  We could be reduced to a focus city.

 

The entire terminal complex needs to be completely overhauled or torn down and rebuilt.

 

Bottom line, if we want more service, people need to put their butts in a seat.

If the aprons and taxiways are in so deteriorated a state as you suggest, then they would be corrected with or without stimulus funds or face punitive action by the FAA. Therefore, if the the new FIS ecourages CO and others to add new int'l flights, as you correctly suggest, then to stimulate growth and activity, the stimulus funding would be better used on a new FIS than on taxi/apron work.

 

They might not be deteriorated.  They might just not be as large as desired to service the 767 and 777 aircraft.  I don't know for sure - just a thought.

unfortunately, other than Fedex, no one is looking to fly 767s or 777's to/from CLE...

unfortunately, other than Fedex, no one is looking to fly 767s or 777's to/from CLE...

 

How often do you use the airport?

 

There are 747 jets owned by super rich going to the clinic.  Also during IROPS 777 are often rerouted from EWR to CLE.

 

They are no scheduled, but the airport has handled/can handle 777/774/767 aircraft.

unfortunately, other than Fedex, no one is looking to fly 767s or 777's to/from CLE...

 

How often do you use the airport?

 

There are 747 jets owned by super rich going to the clinic.  Also during IROPS 777 are often rerouted from EWR to CLE.

 

They are no scheduled, but the airport has handled/can handle 777/774/767 aircraft.

 

Good points MTS. And don't forget the heavy-lift transport aircraft we see on occasion for NASA (An-225, An-124, etc.)

 

And Pugu is incorrect in another way as well: While things have certainly changed with the economy, the health of the airline industry, and the delivery schedule of CO's order of 787 Dreamliners in the past 18 months, it was (and may very well still be) the intention of CO to replace many of its 757s with 767s on routes such as CLE-LGW (now LHR) and possibly even CLE-CDG (now nuthin').  They didn't have the equipment availability previously, so we were stuck with 757s, but the 787s will relive the crush for 767s so they can trickle down to other routes. 

 

Now, like I said, their plans may have changed, but once the economy turns around (it will) and international airline travel picks up again (it will), this will certainly be a viable scenario once again.  And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a new FIS wouldn't also be beneficial for our international ops, lord know we are woefully lacking in that area.  But to say that apron and taxi work is a waste is myopic. 

And Pugu is incorrect in another way as well: While things have certainly changed with the economy, the health of the airline industry, and the delivery schedule of CO's order of 787 Dreamliners in the past 18 months, it was (and may very well still be) the intention of CO to replace many of its 757s with 767s on routes such as CLE-LGW (now LHR) and possibly even CLE-CDG (now nuthin').  They didn't have the equipment availability previously, so we were stuck with 757s, but the 787s will relive the crush for 767s so they can trickle down to other routes.

 

How often do you use the airport? There are 747 jets owned by super rich going to the clinic.  Also during IROPS 777 are often rerouted from EWR to CLE.

 

I'm talking about scheduled commercial service not Cleveland Clinic or sports team charters or other special flights. Yes, of course CLE can handle 747s and DC10s (which UA still operated into CLE til about 10 yrs ago or so).

 

I would love more TATL service out of CLE. And had my hopes on CLE-AMS, til CO announced its leaving Skyteam (and thus severing all the KLM connections in Amsterdam). Our hope now is a 762 CLE-FRA on Lufthansa (or possibly CO) if CO gets full approval to join UA's Star Alliance. (It may be possible on a 757--but that's really pushing its limits.) Yes, it is true, once CO gets some 787 deliveries it frees up other aircraft--lets hope they're used for service from CLE and not expansion at EWR or IAH. CO, though will NOT, put a 787 on CLE-LHR, as that route is best served by a 757--the 787 is intended for long, thin routes, for which you need the distance but not the capacity--for example, if you wanted to fly CLE-Warsaw. A 757 could never do it, but a 767 or 747 can -- but no airline would be able to fill it to make it a viable route. thus enters the 787.

 

 

<a href=http://blog.cleveland.com/newssun/2009/04/local_suburbs_and_cleveland_ar.html>Local suburbs and Cleveland are studying the creation of an aerotropolis</a>

Posted by Jaime Anton April 29, 2009 12:49PM

Categories: News

 

Cleveland Hopkins' neighboring communities are hoping to use the airport to land lucrative developments.

 

Much like a metropolis and its surrounding suburbs, an aerotropolis features a core airport with outlying aviation-linked businesses.

 

Berea, Brook Park, Olmsted Falls, Parma, Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Hopkins, the Cleveland Department of Economic Development, and the Cleveland Department of Port Control are looking to create an aerotropolis here.

 

Also included are Fairview Park, North Olmsted, Middleburg Heights and Brooklyn. The Berea Community Development Corp. -- that city's economic development arm -- is the fiscal agent on the project.

 

Dr. John Kasarda, a business professor with the University of North Carolina, defined the aerotropolis concept. According to his Web site at aerotropolis.com, these developments tend to attract time-sensitive manufacturing and distribution; hotel, entertainment, retail, and exhibition complexes; and office buildings that house regional corporate headquarters and air-travel intensive professionals.

 

Brook Park Mayor Mark Elliott said this is big for the region.

 

 

<a href=http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/04/proposed_retail_operation_on_c.html>Proposed retail operation on Cleveland land would support Hopkins airport</a>

Posted by Henry J. Gomez / Plain Dealer Reporter April 28, 2009 18:52PM

 

 

<a href=http://blog.cleveland.com/pdgraphics_impact/2009/04/29CGHOPKINS.pdf>Click here for PDF.</a>

 

A brand-name gas station and fast-food restaurant would sprout on city-owned property as part of a project that Mayor Frank Jackson hopes will build revenue for Cleveland Hopkins International Airport.

 

The concept would allow a private company to develop, manage and profit from the retail operation on 5 acres north of the main terminal, said Ricky Smith, Jackson's airport chief.

 

In exchange, Hopkins would keep a percentage of the sales.

 

"You've heard me talk a lot about expanding our revenue base to reduce our dependency on airline revenues," Smith said in a recent interview. "This is a part of that effort."

 

Smith will introduce the proposal Wednesday morning, April 29, at a meeting of the City Council's Aviation and Transportation Committee.

 

City officials do not plan to request that the developer bring in a particular fuel or fast-food chain, only that both be national brands -- a Shell and a McDonald's, for example.

 

If the council approves, the development would be unique for Hopkins. Unlike the Airmall of shops and eateries being built inside the terminal, the off-site businesses would not necessarily be tailored to the tastes of frequent air travelers or visitors.