CLE/NEO remains the largest metro in the country without a nonstop to Europe (and much smaller than a number of metros WITH nonstops) - and, as others note.. it matters...

 

No - metro size is hardly the determining factor why cities have hubs and nonstop to Europe, etc.. - location, competition, business and tourist destination status and others may play a part... - but big cities have nonstops to Europe (oh, and hubs)... and not having them in this area is hardly a plus.

 

And there's talk on another board here of British Airways being interested in a Columbus nonstop to Europe.. That would sting... if true.

 

Size of our region means nothing.  It all has to do with O/D and if International passengers will pay for BC fares.  We're a focus city for Continental United and Frontier.  I think Continental United made a mistake and will increase frequencies considering our local economy's recover and the events we have coming.  If they don't, some other airline, US AA, which formerly had a large foothold here is my guess.  Delta is more concerned about the coast.  We have more diversity of carrierers even if we have lost the hub and direct flights.

MTS - but on some level the number of O/D and premium fare passengers should seemingly have some correlation with the population - as population = potential travelers (though it appears not to)..  Population matters in so many other areas of life - like professional sports teams - or retail - etc... why does it not matter the same way with airports?

 

Whether it is lower incomes of our populace, fewer HQs, relative lack of tourists, proximity to other airports or short enough drive times to east coast and Midwest destinations,  it's just continually discouraging to see metros approx. the same size as metro CLE/NEO have big-time airports with 3x-5X the passengers and flights (DEN, MSP, etc...)- while metros with perhaps half the population (AUS, BNA, SLC, PDX) have the same service or significantly more than we do. 

 

Are those metros overachieving or is CLE/NEO vastly underachieving...? PIT and STL seem in the same boat as NEO based on market size... AUS has no major league sports teams - not big enough... but they have a non-stop to Europe and as many airport passengers as our 3-sport town...

 

 

 

MTS - but on some level the number of O/D and premium fare passengers should seemingly have some correlation with the population - as population = potential travelers (though it appears not to)..  Population matters in so many other areas of life - like professional sports teams - or retail - etc... why does it not matter the same way with airports?

 

Whether it is lower incomes of our populace, fewer HQs, relative lack of tourists, proximity to other airports or short enough drive times to east coast and Midwest destinations,  it's just continually discouraging to see metros approx. the same size as metro CLE/NEO have big-time airports with 3x-5X the passengers and flights (DEN, MSP, etc...)- while metros with perhaps half the population (AUS, BNA, SLC, PDX) have the same service or significantly more than we do. 

 

Are those metros overachieving or is CLE/NEO vastly underachieving...? PIT and STL seem in the same boat as NEO based on market size... AUS has no major league sports teams - not big enough... but they have a non-stop to Europe and as many airport passengers as our 3-sport town...

 

 

 

Part of it is airlines.  Continental always claimed they did not want to "cannabilse" Newark.  Newark was a hub peoples express that Continental absorbed, and turned into a Hub for Continental.  Newark was into a development plan, when Cleveland was picked up to compete in the Midwest against larger more established hubs in Detroit (NW), Chicago-ORD (AA & UA), St. Louis (TWA), Cinci (DL) and Minnie (NW).  Also, at this time US had more flights in Cleveland than any other airline.  US and Continental both wanted hubs in CLE.  The city choose Continental which is how PIT ended up with it's hub when TWA eliminated its mini hub at PIT.  [PIT TWA hub was smaller than a traditional hub but larger than a focus city].

 

You have to think about "the catchment area" which may be larger then our designated population area. Also airlines are looking for larger corporate accounts that will buy BC fares, CLE lost a lot of corporate power with BP leaving, the local economy in the tank and convention business falling to and virtually no leisure travel.  Now that convention business has been restarted and improving, the business economy improving and more leisure events on tap, we may have an opportunity to bring in a new LLC like JB.  But I doubt and national carrier will open up shop and create a hub.  A fact that SW has done nothing, since UA dehubbed, is a glaring indicator.  Frontier is a non factor as they cannot provide daily service, due to the number of planes they have.  Continental/United long timers are not going to jump ship to Frontier.

 

If we could get international service, where would it be that could be profitable, relates to the local economy and where travelers and current FF account holders can maximize their accounts. (ie, what partner airlines and hubs can be used)??. 

MTS - but on some level the number of O/D and premium fare passengers should seemingly have some correlation with the population - as population = potential travelers (though it appears not to)..  Population matters in so many other areas of life - like professional sports teams - or retail - etc... why does it not matter the same way with airports?

 

Whether it is lower incomes of our populace, fewer HQs, relative lack of tourists, proximity to other airports or short enough drive times to east coast and Midwest destinations,  it's just continually discouraging to see metros approx. the same size as metro CLE/NEO have big-time airports with 3x-5X the passengers and flights (DEN, MSP, etc...)- while metros with perhaps half the population (AUS, BNA, SLC, PDX) have the same service or significantly more than we do. 

 

Are those metros overachieving or is CLE/NEO vastly underachieving...? PIT and STL seem in the same boat as NEO based on market size... AUS has no major league sports teams - not big enough... but they have a non-stop to Europe and as many airport passengers as our 3-sport town...

 

 

 

Part of it is airlines.  Continental always claimed they did not want to "cannabilse" Newark.  Newark was a hub peoples express that Continental absorbed, and turned into a Hub for Continental.  Newark was into a development plan, when Cleveland was picked up to compete in the Midwest against larger more established hubs in Detroit (NW), Chicago-ORD (AA & UA), St. Louis (TWA), Cinci (DL) and Minnie (NW).  Also, at this time US had more flights in Cleveland than any other airline.  US and Continental both wanted hubs in CLE.  The city choose Continental which is how PIT ended up with it's hub when TWA eliminated its mini hub at PIT.  [PIT TWA hub was smaller than a traditional hub but larger than a focus city].

 

You have to think about "the catchment area" which may be larger then our designated population area. Also airlines are looking for larger corporate accounts that will buy BC fares, CLE lost a lot of corporate power with BP leaving, the local economy in the tank and convention business falling to and virtually no leisure travel.  Now that convention business has been restarted and improving, the business economy improving and more leisure events on tap, we may have an opportunity to bring in a new LLC like JB.  But I doubt and national carrier will open up shop and create a hub.  A fact that SW has done nothing, since UA dehubbed, is a glaring indicator.  Frontier is a non factor as they cannot provide daily service, due to the number of planes they have.  Continental/United long timers are not going to jump ship to Frontier.

 

If we could get international service, where would it be that could be profitable, relates to the local economy and where travelers and current FF account holders can maximize their accounts. (ie, what partner airlines and hubs can be used)??. 

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PIT always was the heart of the US system going back to the Allegheny days.  US began a CLE build-up in the late 80's even after the CO decision to hub CLE.  The city really didn't choose between the two airlines, it's just that CO was the survivor - largely in part due to the US and PI merger in 1991 and the construction of the then new mid-field terminal at PIT in 1992.  That capacity of that terminal enabled US to flow just about all east/west traffic through PIT from the Northeast.  TWA didn't really the hub at PIT either.  PIT for TWA was like CLE was for UA.  On their original transcons they were each one of the stops along the line.  In fact UA even called their transcon the "Mainline" and named their planes "Mainliners" through the early 70's.  CLE became even more important to UA because of the Midwestern cities on the mainline, they only had route authority to Florida from CLE (largely in part due to UA's acquisition of Capital Airlines in June, 1961.

 

I'm not surprised that SW did not do anything at CLE.  UA still has approx. 75 dailies from CLE.  What cities would SW add that F9 didn't or DL for that matter?  Unless SW were to make CLE a connecting city like BWI or BNA, what would the additions be that couldn't be covered by existing connections.  Besides, SW is not a low cost carrier.  Indeed their fares are sometimes greater than the legacies and their service is not exactly stellar.  As far as the low end crowd is concerned, F9 has locked that up for the time being. 

 

International service will come only if their is a commitment locally to fill the premium seats.  And if it doesn't come from UA or Star Alliance, I'm at a loss to guess who it might be.  UA still has a decent enough network from CLE to provide some feed.  CLE has approx. 275 pax per day to Europe but the problem is that their really isn't one city where you have a significant O&D.  So for most pax, they could fly N/S from CLE and connect in LHR/FRA/CDG/DUS/AMS/MUC or fly to any of those cities and connect.  UA has no incentive to fly NS from CLE when they already serve those cities from EWR/IAD and ORD.  The pax probably doesn't care where they connect either...a connection is a connection.  So unless you have say 50 pax per day paying premium fares to one destination such as FRA, you really don't have a business case for N/S TATL.

MD88PILOT: so you say CLE has 275 passengers a day to Europe and obviously no Europe non stops and perhaps would need 50,a day to pay premium fares to make it worthwhile to an airline to have one. So what does that say about a market like AUS, SLC, PIT or perhaps another market that has just 1-2 Euro non stops (PDX?)..., How do they look in same indicators that make them nonstop worthy or can they be compared? Oh, and does CMH stand a chance for a BA nonstop as rumored or is that just talk?

MD88PILOT: so you say CLE has 275 passengers a day to Europe and obviously no Europe non stops and perhaps would need 50,a day to pay premium fares to make it worthwhile to an airline to have one. So what does that say about a market like AUS, SLC, PIT or perhaps another market that has just 1-2 Euro non stops (PDX?)..., How do they look in same indicators that make them nonstop worthy or can they be compared? Oh, and does CMH stand a chance for a BA nonstop as rumored or is that just talk?

 

I believe that PIT has one or two corporate contracts which make the service to CDG doable.  Plus that flight does not run daily in the winter months and maybe not even summer...i'de have to check.  AUS which has BA service to LHR does have approx. 60 pax/day O&D to LHR.  It must be enough for BA to try it.  Long-term is anybody's guess...plus I think there incentives also and probably AUS has a strong AA frequent flier base.  Both AA and BA are Oneworld Alliance.  SLC of course is a DL hub and PDX generates a lot of international.  No, I don't think CMH stands a chance.  Every once in a while, airlines throw out a list of possible cities.

With Eaton's presence in Ireland, I wonder if there's enough travel from Cleveland to Dublin or Shannon to warrant a nonstop. I've flown through both airports in Ireland and while Dublin has more European connections, I love the US Customs pre-clearance at Shannon.

Southwest Airlines did announce a new daily non stop from CLE to Phoenix earlier this summer. That flight begins this December (a few months after the flight to PHX that the newly merged American Airlines also announced they'll be starting). I don't think the new Southwest flight was mentioned many places but it's available for booking on Southwest's website.

 

Southwest at CAK hasn't done very well this year. Air passengers at CAK have dropped considerably this year compared to last (down 11 to 12%). New bargain fares at CLE have made CAK much less attractive to northeast Ohio travelers. It will be interesting to see how this trend plays out over the next year. Surely total CLE passengers will plummet as well from the United dehub, but those will be from people no longer connecting, versus a drop in O&D.

With Eaton's presence in Ireland, I wonder if there's enough travel from Cleveland to Dublin or Shannon to warrant a nonstop. I've flown through both airports in Ireland and while Dublin has more European connections, I love the US Customs pre-clearance at Shannon.

 

Aer Lingus has re-started SFO and added YYZ.  There are rumors of more to come.  But you are spot on about CLE-DUB.  Would make an interesting add and probably do o.k.

Southwest Airlines did announce a new daily non stop from CLE to Phoenix earlier this summer. That flight begins this December (a few months after the flight to PHX that the newly merged American Airlines also announced they'll be starting). I don't think the new Southwest flight was mentioned many places but it's available for booking on Southwest's website.

 

Southwest at CAK hasn't done very well this year. Air passengers at CAK have dropped considerably this year compared to last (down 11 to 12%). New bargain fares at CLE have made CAK much less attractive to northeast Ohio travelers. It will be interesting to see how this trend plays out over the next year. Surely total CLE passengers will plummet as well from the United dehub, but those will be from people no longer connecting, versus a drop in O&D.

 

Only connecting pax counts will drop.  In fact, O&D may rise due to F9 bringing in pax at lower fares who were priced out before.  A caveat though.  F9's last minute fares are very high.....higher than UA and AA frequently.  Plus you have to purchase for additional services. 

It's funny that you guys brought up Aer Lingus possibly adding flights to CLE. This article came out recently. Doesn't say anything specific besides a new Texas route but you just never know.

 

Aer Lingus to launch new North America routes as profits hit €39m

 

A service to Dallas is one of the options that the airline might be considering.

 

Speaking to the Irish Independent, Christoph Mueller, chief executive, confirmed that new services are on track following the success of new routes to San Francisco and 
Toronto from Dublin this summer.

 

"I will not mention any destinations but we have very concrete plans," Mr Mueller, pictured right, said. He added that those plans would come to fruition before he leaves the airline next May.

With Eaton's presence in Ireland, I wonder if there's enough travel from Cleveland to Dublin or Shannon to warrant a nonstop. I've flown through both airports in Ireland and while Dublin has more European connections, I love the US Customs pre-clearance at Shannon.

 

I don't think Eaton has much of a presence at all in Ireland.  It's a shell.  The Cooper acquisition allowed them to incorporate the combined operations in Ireland because I believe Cooper's European operations were headquartered there, but Cooper's primary corporate offices have always been located in Chicago.  In fact, they were incorporated in Ohio until 2002 when they reincorporated in Bermuda, for tax purposes of course.  Anyway, I doubt the demand from Eaton would be there to justify non-stop service to Ireland.

I don't think Eaton has much of a presence at all in Ireland.  It's a shell.  The Cooper acquisition allowed them to incorporate the combined operations in Ireland because I believe Cooper's European operations were headquartered there, but Cooper's primary corporate offices have always been located in Chicago.  In fact, they were incorporated in Ohio until 2002 when they reincorporated in Bermuda, for tax purposes of course.  Anyway, I doubt the demand from Eaton would be there to justify non-stop service to Ireland.

 

The last few times I've flown to/from Europe, I was surrounded by passengers going to/from Ireland including sitting next to me on the plane or in the boarding areas of airports. And ALL were coming to/from Cleveland to do business with Eaton. Most were contractors, subcontractors, subsidiaries, suppliers, etc. etc. of Eaton. Now that could have been coincidence. But I'd be surprised if it was. I'll check with a friends in Ireland and in the Irish Network-Cleveland to get their feedback on the market for a direct flight to Ireland.

With Eaton's presence in Ireland, I wonder if there's enough travel from Cleveland to Dublin or Shannon to warrant a nonstop. I've flown through both airports in Ireland and while Dublin has more European connections, I love the US Customs pre-clearance at Shannon.

 

DUB also has preclearance to USA.

DUB also has preclearance to USA.

 

I didn't know that! In May we flew into Dublin and returned via Shannon.

Southwest Airlines jumps into Cleveland-Phoenix nonstop market

 

By Alison Grant, The Plain Dealer

on August 11, 2014 at 5:41 PM, updated August 11, 2014 at 6:11 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The competition for nonstop service between Cleveland and Phoenix is heating up.

 

Southwest Airlines said today that it will begin year-round nonstop service to Phoenix from Cleveland Hopkins International Airport starting Nov. 2.

 

It's the third airline to launch nonstop service from Cleveland to Phoenix's Sky Harbor International Airport in the wake of deep cuts at Hopkins this spring by United Airlines.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/08/southwest_airlines_jumps_into.html#incart_m-rpt-1

Southwest Airlines did announce a new daily non stop from CLE to Phoenix earlier this summer. That flight begins this December (a few months after the flight to PHX that the newly merged American Airlines also announced they'll be starting). I don't think the new Southwest flight was mentioned many places but it's available for booking on Southwest's website.

 

Southwest Airlines jumps into Cleveland-Phoenix nonstop market

 

By Alison Grant, The Plain Dealer

on August 11, 2014 at 5:41 PM, updated August 11, 2014 at 6:11 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The competition for nonstop service between Cleveland and Phoenix is heating up.

 

Southwest Airlines said today that it will begin year-round nonstop service to Phoenix from Cleveland Hopkins International Airport starting Nov. 2.

 

It's the third airline to launch nonstop service from Cleveland to Phoenix's Sky Harbor International Airport in the wake of deep cuts at Hopkins this spring by United Airlines.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/08/southwest_airlines_jumps_into.html#incart_m-rpt-1

 

Does Cleveland.com save these stories for slow news days? This was announced a long time ago and has been available for booking for over a month! Not sure why it's suddenly newsworthy today.

So if United claimed 7x/week didn't work - so dropped CLE-PHX - how do 3 other airlines think the route - and 17x/week - will work?

 

Or should we believe - as many do - that CLE was working just fine for UAL - and this flight was just one of the sacrifices?

So if United claimed 7x/week didn't work - so dropped CLE-PHX - how do 3 other airlines think the route - and 17x/week - will work?

 

Or should we believe - as many do - that CLE was working just fine for UAL - and this flight was just one of the sacrifices?

 

The article mentions they may be adding flights to squeeze out frontier.

Southwest.com announced on its website there will be an international destination out of CLE beginning October 5th, does anyone know where?

Probably Mexico or Dominican Republic

^My guess would be Cancun given the large snow bird (Florida) market for Ohio. Mexico City would be an nice "world city" destination for CLE. Probably need a large Mexican immigrant population for that though which I don't think Cleveland has.

 

From Wikipedia:

 

"Southwest's first approach to international service came on April 19, 2012 when it signed a contract with the Amadeus IT Group which will initiate in 2014. This contract will give the airline the capability to begin flying to destinations outside of the United States. Before this contract was signed, Southwest's reservation system did not have the ability to serve international destinations.[78] Southwest debuted the international reservation system on January 27, 2014 followed by the first international flights which began on July 1, 2014 to Aruba (AUA), Montego Bay, Jamaica (MBJ) and Nassau, Bahamas (NAS).

 

Through the integration of AirTran, by the end of 2014, Southwest will add service to Aruba (AUA), Cancun, Mexico (CUN), Mexico City, Mexico (MEX), Montego Bay, Jamaica (MBJ), Nassau, Bahamas (NAS), Punta Cana, Dominican Republic (PUJ) and San Jose Cabo, Mexico (SJD).

Nassau, Punta Cana or Cancun. Probably Cancun. Be cool if it were Aruba or something more "exotic".

So if United claimed 7x/week didn't work - so dropped CLE-PHX - how do 3 other airlines think the route - and 17x/week - will work?

 

Or should we believe - as many do - that CLE was working just fine for UAL - and this flight was just one of the sacrifices?

 

The article mentions they may be adding flights to squeeze out frontier.

 

More likely this is squeeze on American than Frontier since both will offer daily service. It's an attempt to keep American's pricing closer to what Southwest would need to make it work.

Frontier is adding more flights to Cleveland this fall and winter.

 

Frontier will now operate a flight from Cleveland to Las Vegas 7 days per week instead of 2, they will also increase service to Orlando two times per day instead of 1, increase service to Fort Myers to every day of the week instead of 4, and increase service to Phoenix to 4 times per week instead of 2.

They clearly like the reception they're receiving in Cleveland!

Decreasing the Trenton route. damn I was gonna use that for work

Southwest.com announced on its website there will be an international destination out of CLE beginning October 5th, does anyone know where?

 

That's just the date that you'll be able to book connecting flights to international destinations. It doesn't mean that Southwest will be operating direct, international flights from CLE.

 

If you go to http://www.southwest.com/html/air/intl/booking-travel/index.html#interactive_map you can chose any city that they currently fly to, and it tells you what day connecting flights are available from. Cleveland and Akron are October 7th, Columbus is September 16th, Pittsburgh was July 1st, etc. They're simply phasing them in across their network.

Frontier is adding more flights to Cleveland this fall and winter.

 

Frontier will now operate a flight from Cleveland to Las Vegas 7 days per week instead of 2, they will also increase service to Orlando two times per day instead of 1, increase service to Fort Myers to every day of the week instead of 4, and increase service to Phoenix to 4 times per week instead of 2.

 

Its the winter change over.  Flights from the NE and Great Lakes regions to Florida and the Caribbean increase between October and Easter/Spring Break.  In addtion place like LA, San Diego and Phoenix will see increased service.

So if United claimed 7x/week didn't work - so dropped CLE-PHX - how do 3 other airlines think the route - and 17x/week - will work?

 

Or should we believe - as many do - that CLE was working just fine for UAL - and this flight was just one of the sacrifices?

 

The article mentions they may be adding flights to squeeze out frontier.

 

They might also be adding PHX to run a PHX-CLE-LHR.  The latest rumours are that AA and or BA (they codeshare - very close) are looking to add one of SLC, CLE, CMH, STL or BNA.  A PHX trip would add some feed.  CAL used to operate its LGW and LHR flight LAX-CLE-LHR

^I don't know why I click on this thread.  I never know what the hell you  people are talking about.  :?

^I don't know why I click on this thread.  I never know what the hell you  people are talking about.  :?

 

I got that American Airlines and British Airways way be adding the Cleveland leg so there is enough capacity to add a potential Flight to England. Did I get that right?

^I don't know why I click on this thread.  I never know what the hell you  people are talking about.  :?

 

I got that American Airlines and British Airways way be adding the Cleveland leg so there is enough capacity to add a potential Flight to England. Did I get that right?

 

Yes

Where did you hear that SLC is in the running or that they will be adding a stop from a PHX origin flight? I've only heard that IND, CMH, CLE, and STL are in the running.

Apparently Nashville in the running too. I found about a half dozen Aug/Sept articles in various news papers and biz papers (Dispatch, Tennessean, etc...) noting the cities and that British Airways was hoping to fly a 787 on route. Columbus sent a delegation to London to pitch. Where are Ricky and Frank (and the PD story about the route?)

Apparently Nashville in the running too. I found about a half dozen Aug/Sept articles in various news papers and biz papers (Dispatch, Tennessean, etc...) noting the cities and that British Airways was hoping to fly a 787 on route. Columbus sent a delegation to London to pitch. Where are Ricky and Frank (and the PD story about the route?)

 

I would think BA would demand a new FIS?  Do we even have one anymore?  It used to be on Concourse A, but I can't remember going through it in the last 10 years.

^Yes, the FIS is still under "A", though needs a lot of work. Its a top priority, in my opinion for the city, as it is critical to attract a new int'l route, but the city doesn't care. or has other priorities. The Department of Port Control spent some $85 MILLION on two parking lots in Brook Park where the cost of a new FIS would have been far less and have a much bigger impact on the airport and air service in the region. (Under the deal with parking lots, the same folks who worked there and ran them get to stay AND the city pays the former owner a bunch of money as a fee on top of what he pays his employees to 'run' the lots.) Extremely shady or just incompetent?

Where did you hear that SLC is in the running or that they will be adding a stop from a PHX origin flight? I've only heard that IND, CMH, CLE, and STL are in the running.

 

BA recently met with the Mormon Church in SLC.  Whoever (and it could be more than one between BA and AA) gets these LHR routes will probably be the one that can guaranty corporate customers buying the premium seats on a daily basis

Apparently Nashville in the running too. I found about a half dozen Aug/Sept articles in various news papers and biz papers (Dispatch, Tennessean, etc...) noting the cities and that British Airways was hoping to fly a 787 on route. Columbus sent a delegation to London to pitch. Where are Ricky and Frank (and the PD story about the route?)

 

I would think BA would demand a new FIS?  Do we even have one anymore?  It used to be on Concourse A, but I can't remember going through it in the last 10 years.

 

I think the city has long ago pitched BA for an LHR route.  Remember, out of all the cities mentioned, only STL and CLE have had recent London service.  So there is an actual metric to use for both when it comes to evaluation.  I don't know that a new FIS is really that important for a one daily flight at the beginning.  As long as PAX are processed through quickly enough a new facility can wait a bit to see if the service sticks

Bloomberg is reporting last night that UAL will trim its schedule between 6 and 7 per cent. this winter.  NRT (Tokyo) by 17 per cent and IAD (Dulles) by almost 15 per cent.  DEN (Denver) and IAH (Houston) each 7 per cent.  I would imagine that there could be a few flights affected at CLE.  In fact I believe that some have already occurred for the period January-February

Apparently Nashville in the running too. I found about a half dozen Aug/Sept articles in various news papers and biz papers (Dispatch, Tennessean, etc...) noting the cities and that British Airways was hoping to fly a 787 on route. Columbus sent a delegation to London to pitch. Where are Ricky and Frank (and the PD story about the route?)

 

I would think BA would demand a new FIS?  Do we even have one anymore?  It used to be on Concourse A, but I can't remember going through it in the last 10 years.

 

I think the city has long ago pitched BA for an LHR route.  Remember, out of all the cities mentioned, only STL and CLE have had recent London service.  So there is an actual metric to use for both when it comes to evaluation.  I don't know that a new FIS is really that important for a one daily flight at the beginning.  As long as PAX are processed through quickly enough a new facility can wait a bit to see if the service sticks

 

I don't remember BA.  IIRC LH, AM, AF & V3 were interested in Cleveland.  LO may have also been interested.

 

I still think, that this is the perfect time for the terminal to be renovated.  Move airlines to D, while each of the concourses is upgraded and renovated.

I still think, that this is the perfect time for the terminal to be renovated.  Move airlines to D, while each of the concourses is upgraded and renovated.

I agree, while costly, it would help attract new flights both lost domestic United flights and new international flights.  If "The Globe" turns into the international draw that some are talking of this is going to be key.

I still think, that this is the perfect time for the terminal to be renovated.  Move airlines to D, while each of the concourses is upgraded and renovated.

I agree, while costly, it would help attract new flights both lost domestic United flights and new international flights.  If "The Globe" turns into the international draw that some are talking of this is going to be key.

 

You have to spend some money to make some money and it's easy to shift airlines around with an empty concourse than it would be if it were filled.  Then we can market the entire airport to airlines not here and international airlines.

I still think, that this is the perfect time for the terminal to be renovated.  Move airlines to D, while each of the concourses is upgraded and renovated.

I agree, while costly, it would help attract new flights both lost domestic United flights and new international flights.  If "The Globe" turns into the international draw that some are talking of this is going to be key.

 

No...Not renovated but demolished.  Everybody could be accommodated at C and D while A and B are torn down.  A wider linear concourse could be constructed.  When finished, use that section and tear down C, replacing it with a like section.  You will now have a wider, airier, state of the art terminal with gates on both sides.  Keep D and use it for future growth or FIS

I still think, that this is the perfect time for the terminal to be renovated.  Move airlines to D, while each of the concourses is upgraded and renovated.

I agree, while costly, it would help attract new flights both lost domestic United flights and new international flights.  If "The Globe" turns into the international draw that some are talking of this is going to be key.

 

No...Not renovated but demolished.  Everybody could be accommodated at C and D while A and B are torn down.  A wider linear concourse could be constructed.  When finished, use that section and tear down C, replacing it with a like section.  You will now have a wider, airier, state of the art terminal with gates on both sides.  Keep D and use it for future growth or FIS

 

That could work also, but D would need direct access to the terminal.

Spirit Airlines takes flight at CLE

 

CLEVELAND -- Spirit Airlines is taking off at Cleveland-Hopkins International Airport.

 

Service with Spirit begins early next year with flights to multiple locations including Orlando, Fort Myers, Los Angeles.

 

Tickets go on sale Thursday.

 

 

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2014/09/24/cle-to-make-major-carrier-announcement/16146985/

"@GoingPlacesCLE: Major Air Service announcement coming in 15 minutes.... stay tuned!"

 

"@GoingPlacesCLE: Mark Kopczak, VP, Network Planning with @SpiritAirlines ''We're taking our talents to Cleveland!''"

 

"@GoingPlacesCLE: Mayor Frank Jackson: They are now a valued citizen of Cleveland."

 

"@GoingPlacesCLE: Jackson: They see an opportunity here in Cleveland."

 

The only news coverage I've fund thus far.....

 

Spirit Airlines will add nonstop flights to Cleveland from Myrtle Beach

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2014/09/24/4494815/spirit-airlines-will-add-nonstop.html?sp=/99/101/748/

^here's some more coverage

 

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Spirit Airlines coming to Cleveland Hopkins Airport

 

By Joey Morona, Northeast Ohio Media Group

on September 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM, updated September 24, 2014 at 11:49 AM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Another low-cost airline is coming to Cleveland Hopkins Airport.

 

Spirit Airlines will begin flying out of Cleveland starting in January, WKYC.com reported.

 

Spirit will fly to several destinations including Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Orlando, Myrtle Beach and Fort Myers.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/09/spirit_airlines_coming_to_clev.html#incart_river

I like the Myrtle Beach location.  I will never go there or use it, but its a new non-stop location

Cleveland Hopkins ‏@GoingPlacesCLE  now

Check out our pics on Facebook from this morning's press conference for @SpiritAirlines !

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