^ how would giving up CLEbenefit the NY/NJ PA?

 

More flights, more connections means higher revenue and fees for the PA.  For instance, UAL always claimed they couldn't make LHR work from CLE.  But when you looked at the offerings made on their web site, CLE was always third or fourth choice for connecting passengers.  This applied to domestic also. 

FAA slaps Cleveland Hopkins Airport with $735K fine for unsafe runway conditions in snowstorms. Here's the story: http://t.co/gtIwoeXQRE

I'm not expecting any route expansion out of Hopkins any time soon, but if there are ever additional routes out of Cleveland, what would you like to see added (or restored)?

 

Personally, I would like to see Kansas City (MCI) brought back, as I have business there fairly often.

FAA slaps Cleveland Hopkins Airport with $735K fine for unsafe runway conditions in snowstorms. Here's the story: http://t.co/gtIwoeXQRE

 

This is absolutely horrifying to me.

I'm not expecting any route expansion out of Hopkins any time soon, but if there are ever additional routes out of Cleveland, what would you like to see added (or restored)?

 

Personally, I would like to see Kansas City (MCI) brought back, as I have business there fairly often.

 

Direct flight to a good European hub, preferably not one of the biggies (LHR, AMS, CDG, FRA) like Dusseldorf or Munich. Or maybe one with U.S. customs preclearance like Dublin or Shannon (I think those are the only two European airports with USA preclearance). I'm sick of having to fly through the unreliable, overcrowded East Coast hubs. And I would think Europeans would prefer to have more options to bypass the East Coast too and land in the Northeast-Midwest heartland (without messing around with Chicago).

More nonstops to/from LA, but that's personal/selfish.

I'm not expecting any route expansion out of Hopkins any time soon, but if there are ever additional routes out of Cleveland, what would you like to see added (or restored)?

 

Personally, I would like to see Kansas City (MCI) brought back, as I have business there fairly often.

 

Direct flight to a good European hub, preferably not one of the biggies (LHR, AMS, CDG, FRA) like Dusseldorf or Munich. Or maybe one with U.S. customs preclearance like Dublin or Shannon (I think those are the only two European airports with USA preclearance). I'm sick of having to fly through the unreliable, overcrowded East Coast hubs. And I would think Europeans would prefer to have more options to bypass the East Coast too and land in the Northeast-Midwest heartland (without messing around with Chicago).

 

Chicago is such a nightmare.  I would imagine most of Cleveland's hub traffic went there, which may help explain why I have YET to connect in O'hare without at least one major issue coming up.  I route through Houston whenever possible... my luck there has been considerably better.

I'm not expecting any route expansion out of Hopkins any time soon, but if there are ever additional routes out of Cleveland, what would you like to see added (or restored)?

 

Personally, I would like to see Kansas City (MCI) brought back, as I have business there fairly often.

 

Direct flight to a good European hub, preferably not one of the biggies (LHR, AMS, CDG, FRA) like Dusseldorf or Munich. Or maybe one with U.S. customs preclearance like Dublin or Shannon (I think those are the only two European airports with USA preclearance). I'm sick of having to fly through the unreliable, overcrowded East Coast hubs. And I would think Europeans would prefer to have more options to bypass the East Coast too and land in the Northeast-Midwest heartland (without messing around with Chicago).

 

Chicago is such a nightmare.  I would imagine most of Cleveland's hub traffic went there, which may help explain why I have YET to connect in O'hare without at least one major issue coming up.  I route through Houston whenever possible... my luck there has been considerably better.

 

Hotlanta is my preference....  Which explains my sudden ability to get status on Delta...

Next week I have a Detroit connection with Delta - although I don't know if I'll be ready for that freaky tunnel so early in the morning!

Sweet news!  Natalie's Candy Jar is coming back to Hopkins.  I went there frequently when it was in Concourse D.  I got the "Pez"idents presidential Pez machines there (my wife is a collector).  Those items will sell more than Swatches anyway.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/09/natalies_candy_jar_welcomes_travelers_with_a_sweet_tooth_at_cleveland_hopkins_airport.html#incart_river

Looks like Raleigh Durham is getting a non-stop to Paris....that's in addition to their London flight.  Appears Paris will be on Delta

Until the business community presents a compelling reason to have a more convenient direct overseas flight, I don't see that happening here anytime soon.  However, things do change.  With the Cleveland Clinic and its robust expansion and high reputation, is it possible to ever see a flight from the Middle East? 

In the past year, there was a highly respected aviation consultant stating not a matter of if, but a matter of when Cleveland gets a direct to Europe.  MD88Pilot has also referenced certain companies looking for additional US locations.  Just like just about every other aspect of the city, results will shape up as growth continues. 

But having a direct flight to Europe may also influence growth. How many European companies are not considering Cleveland because we don't have a flight? The sooner this shortcoming is addressed the better.

Aside - I think most people mean "nonstop" when they say "direct." No?

Aside - I think most people mean "nonstop" when they say "direct." No?

 

No, you are correct.  Poor choice of words on my part!

In the past year, there was a highly respected aviation consultant stating not a matter of if, but a matter of when Cleveland gets a direct to Europe.  MD88Pilot has also referenced certain companies looking for additional US locations.  Just like just about every other aspect of the city, results will shape up as growth continues. 

 

I still think that CLE is on someones (who shall remain nameless) shortlist (hint:  Star Alliance but not UA).  Recall that Delta announced RDU-CDG right before the mess of 2008 and never followed-through.  Now, with jet fuel cheap again and certain incentives ( I heard that fees, etc are waived along with revenue guarantees) Delta thinks it can make a buck or two, possibly siphoning-off some premium traffic from AA's LHR flight.  Don't forget, we have a pretty significant focus city ops with connections at RDU.  HOWEVER, if fuel really increases and revenue doesn't exceed projections, then this route will vanish quickly.

 

CLE's best bet for TATL is UA or LH, already being a significant focus city for UA with some connections still existing, similar to DA's RDU ops.

 

TATL = transatlantic

 

LH = Lufthansa

 

Here's a new one for you:  I'm now flying TPAC from the west coast.  TPAC = transpacific

appreciate the coding translation. It was a way, way, way long time ago now that I used to actually book travel as part of my job working for a big department at Case. But the training we received from the agency we worked for, for which we were considered a tiny "satellite" office, was limited. I still remember most of the big city and airport codes and learned about things like open jaw, and it's the reason I know the difference between "direct' and "nonstop" which most people don't use right, but other than that, it's just a lot of cobwebs. This was so long ago everyone got a paper ticket on special paper and we had to overnight them to people if they needed new tickets home from wherever they were.

The Cleveland.com article states there is a direct flight from Cleveland to Charleston, SC...its seasonal and probably only a couple times per week.  The websites are not easy to identify when this flight exists and google doesn't help either.  Does anyone have a recommendation on HOW I can find what days/times this flight exists?

^not sure what article you're referring to, but there is no CLE-CHS service. At least not currently.

 

EDIT--just re-read your post and noticed the word "direct" (which is not necessarily non-stop.). There are no NON-STOP flights between CLE and Charleston. There could be a 'direct' flight (Like CLE-ATL-CHS on DL), but likely not.

Should I chalk this up as another journalist mistake?

 

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2015/09/nonstop_from_cleveland_35_citi.html#incart_sms_app

I had some friends from Boston that came to Cleveland this past weekend for a little vacation.  They loved it!  They did the Science Center, Rock Hall, the art museum, they went to the Christmas Story house, took in the Indians-Red Sox game with us, and plenty of other things!  They really enjoyed Cleveland... the airport was the only thing they didn't really care for all that much.  It was interesting to get an outsider's opinion of things.  He chalked most of his displeasure to the construction (he didn't even complain about the rental car facility - but he is used to DFW's remote facility which is comparable in distance to Cleveland's), but he wondered aloud what the airport will be like during the RNC.

-- FAA fines Cleveland for airport's snow, ice troubles:  http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/18/us/cleveland-winter-weather-fine/

 

-- City response to FAA: Hopkins safe in winter:  http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2015/10/09/city-response-to-faa-hopkins-safe-in-winter/73664654/

Cleveland Hopkins Airport Checkpoint B closes for construction

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/cleveland-hopkins-airport-checkpoint-b-closes-for-construction

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/10162015/index.php

 

City Planning Commission

Agenda for October 16, 2015

 

DF2015-062 – Red & Blue Parking Lot Canopy (Phase II) : Seeking Final Approval

Project Location: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport

Project Representatives: Todd Mayher, Westlake Reed Leskosky

Note: This project received Conceptual Approval on August 21, 2015.

 

 

 

 

 

Ugh...horrible!

I have to wonder how/if these are going to hold up under a heavy snow.

I have to wonder how/if these are going to hold up under a heavy snow.

 

With the cost of these, they better hold up in snow!  But I must agree with Cleburger... they look terrible.

 

Since I'm so cheap, I hope to never use these; most of my travel is short term so I can park at the Brookpark rapid station and take the rapid one exit.  Much less expensive parking solution.  Most of my travel is to DFW... big airport, but I prefer the less expensive convenience and rail access of my home airport.

I'd much rather see them invest in a brand new long-term garage, to replace the one torn down. 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/10/cleveland_hopkins_airport_cont.html#incart_m-rpt-1

 

So, is this increase indicative of a continuing trend?  Or just temporary?  I haven't noticed much of an increase or decrease during my monthly trip; however, I do fly out on Fridays, so my non-scientific sampling/observations are limited to that day.

 

I will say this, the Arrivals pickup area is almost always pretty crowded late Sunday/early Monday morning. 

CLE website is showing DL flights using gates B3 and B5 opposite their "traditional" gates B2, B4, and B6.  Can anyone confirm?  This would appear to give them 5 gates, up from 3.  With WN supposedly getting B7, I believe only B1 needs to be "adopted" on B.  Does this mean users of B will stay there and not move to C?  Hopefully this represents growth, as opposed to reshuffling.

I was just there and departed out of B2.  I unfortunately didn't happen to notice for sure, but all that departed out of B2 and B4 while I was there (almost 3 hours due to going international) was Atlanta and JFK, so the other destinations must've been somewhere!

CLE website is showing DL flights using gates B3 and B5 opposite their "traditional" gates B2, B4, and B6.  Can anyone confirm?  This would appear to give them 5 gates, up from 3.  With WN supposedly getting B7, I believe only B1 needs to be "adopted" on B.  Does this mean users of B will stay there and not move to C?  Hopefully this represents growth, as opposed to reshuffling.

 

I flew Delta a few weeks ago, and I can confirm that all 5 of these gates were being used at the time.  Or, at the very least all the gates had flights listed on their "screens."  Early morning is a busy time; I was flying to Detroit, and while I was there, flights to Atlanta and JFK were boarding, and I knew a flight to LGA was getting ready - I heard the gate agent announcing I was boarding the DTW flight. 

The construction is definitely a hassle.  I wonder if the construction is a factor for any airlines before they decide to expand their "CLE portfolio".  Last Sunday, I was on a flight that landed around 11:30.  Two flights had arrived at the same time, two flights had arrived in the 15 minutes prior, and there were 3 flights that were going to land before midnight.  Needless to say, with more than half of the pick-up area under construction and not accessible, it was a madhouse.  The cops had their hands full directing traffic (which I rarely saw prior to the construction project).  Reminded me of the airport in San Diego, where if you stopped for more than 2 seconds, the cop would get quite irate at you.

Reminded me of the airport in San Diego, where if you stopped for more than 2 seconds, the cop would get quite irate at you.

 

Ugh...that guy. Another reason why I absolutely hate going to the airport anymore. So unnecessarily stressful.

Reminded me of the airport in San Diego, where if you stopped for more than 2 seconds, the cop would get quite irate at you.

 

Ugh...that guy. Another reason why I absolutely hate going to the airport anymore. So unnecessarily stressful.

 

Usually I take the Red Line, but the station is under construction, so I opted to be dropped off/picked up this time.  Most of the times I travel, I appreciate the rail connection; it is convenient and cost effective, especially for short term travel.

The construction is definitely a hassle.  I wonder if the construction is a factor for any airlines before they decide to expand their "CLE portfolio".  Last Sunday, I was on a flight that landed around 11:30.  Two flights had arrived at the same time, two flights had arrived in the 15 minutes prior, and there were 3 flights that were going to land before midnight.  Needless to say, with more than half of the pick-up area under construction and not accessible, it was a madhouse.  The cops had their hands full directing traffic (which I rarely saw prior to the construction project).  Reminded me of the airport in San Diego, where if you stopped for more than 2 seconds, the cop would get quite irate at you.

I always pick up from the upstairs. So much less stressful. Most go to the regular pickup so you miss nearly all of the traffic.

 

I always pick up from the upstairs. So much less stressful. Most go to the regular pickup so you miss nearly all of the traffic.

 

You are smarter than I.  :-)  I should have called my pickup earlier in the day concerning this, since I knew his cell phone service was iffy around the airport.  But my thought processes were taking a break I suppose! 

Frontier Airlines reduces Cleveland departures this winter, cutting Denver, Atlanta

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/11/frontier_airlines_reduces_clev.html#incart_river

As a frequent flyer, I cut Hopkins some slack, for not being newer or grander, since it has flights to most places the bulk of us need to go and is, comparatively, easy to use. As a home airport, it's a pretty good one.

 

At the same time, I just flew in tonight, around 6:45, and it is getting unbelievably depressing walking through the airport from that gime onward. Many stores and restaurants are closed or closing, the concourse C security checkpoint is already closed (and B is now TSA Pre only = walk to A apparently) - and only 17 departures were left on the board for the rest of thenight.... At 6:45!

 

Depressing...

^i hear what your saying, but I never understood the want for a bustling airport. I want to walk in, get on my plane and walk out as soon as I can.  The less people around the less people to slow me down.

 

I understand the smaller crowds correlate to fewer flights but we still have good outreach for a city our size. I'll keep my fingers crossed that one committee of people can fight for additional non-stops.

 

As for the frontier flights- au revoir. Not a fan of that airline. I can still get to those cities on one of the big boys

Isn't wanting a bustling airport like wanting a bustling downtown, which I imagine most people would prefer

kind of what im asking...do some people what that?  I want a bustling downtown...I like the energy of a city, see people, be among other people when I socialize.  I don't feel that at an airport.  I want to get in and out ASAP.  Its not social for me, purely functional

^

 

I understand the smaller crowds correlate to fewer flights but we still have good outreach for a city our size.

 

I disagree... Denver and Tampa and MSP, for instance, are essentially NEO-sized... and THEY have good outreach

 

Compared to every 'city our size" and many  smaller ones (Charlotte, maybe SLC, Portland, etc..) CLE airport is seriously lacking in service, whether they are boxing above their weight and CLE boxing below ours or not.

 

Hey but it is easy to use..

A bustling airport means lots of residents and lots of visitors. That's what I want to see.

^

 

I understand the smaller crowds correlate to fewer flights but we still have good outreach for a city our size.

 

I disagree... Denver and Tampa and MSP, for instance, are essentially NEO-sized... and THEY have good outreach

 

Compared to every 'city our size" and many  smaller ones (Charlotte, maybe SLC, Portland, etc..) CLE airport is seriously lacking in service, whether they are boxing above their weight and CLE boxing below ours or not.

 

Hey but it is easy to use..

 

The cities that are our size and have larger airports also have a huge tourism presence and a growing populations, airlines see a future there. I honestly believe after the RNC and the Cavs hopefully making it to Finals we'll really see a turn around in the perception of Cleveland. It really has everything to do with our economy and population. We currently have roughly 16 million tourists a year visiting Cuyahoga County, and growing. Cleveland's on the right track and once the city rebounds so will Hopkins.

Antonov An-124 landed at CLE to deliver cargo to @NASAglenn https://t.co/EALAy3CVgK

 

 

The cities that are our size and have larger airports also have a huge tourism presence and a growing populations, airlines see a future there. I honestly believe after the RNC and the Cavs hopefully making it to Finals we'll really see a turn around in the perception of Cleveland. It really has everything to do with our economy and population. We currently have roughly 16 million tourists a year visiting Cuyahoga County, and growing. Cleveland's on the right track and once the city rebounds so will Hopkins.

 

I think Hopkins will continue to improve, but I do think that it could be managed better than it has in recent years.  Now that Southwest has severely drawn down its operations in CAK, is it time to think about a regional airport authority to fully service the entire NEO region?  Economically, they have been touting Cleveland+ as a region, right?  If only all the little fiefdoms could come together and cooperate... this region has many geographical and population advantages that could be exploited, and a regional airport authority could only help, as long as the ENTIRE region is being considered when decisions are made.

Getting ready for my next departure this weekend from Hopkins.  I'm glad I'm getting dropped off this time; though if the station is open, I could always park at Brookpark.  But if someone else is willing to drop off and pick up, I'm not going to refuse!

 

Flying Delta this time, so I'm curious to see what gates are being used now in Concourse B.  It's nice to see Concourse A much more full in terms of gate usage.  I plan on going for a little walk around C to check out the gate usage now.  I know that JetBlue picked up a gate, and United is using far fewer.  Maybe now United will put up flight information screens at the gates.  That can't be an enormous expense, and I think it's ridiculous that they don't have those already considering that United still has a large operation at CLE (still more departures to non-hub destinations than any other UA non-hub).  American has them on their gates, and it's a ncie feature for those waiting to have access to the information/standby lists, etc.

 

RTA restarted train service into Hopkins last Friday, Nov. 6. RTA's website says Brookpark station is open.