December 15, 20195 yr 10 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said: Premium meaning Business Class? I know for a fact that most, if not all, of those companies I’ve mentioned above don’t allow business class on European flights for anyone other than the very top management. Then thats part of the problem. Then they must be satisfied with lower fares that include connections. If european service matters so little to those global companies, you will not see it happen
December 15, 20195 yr What is the city getting in return from UAL? Connections into two of the most delay-prone airports in the country; EWR and ORD? What should be an hour and a half flight often turns into three or four hours. EWR is also one of the lowest ranked large airports. Edited December 15, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder
December 16, 20195 yr 22 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said: What is the city getting in return from UAL? Connections into two of the most delay-prone airports in the country; EWR and ORD? What should be an hour and a half flight often turns into three or four hours. EWR is also one of the lowest ranked large airports. But see my reply above. Apparently the business community in CLE is fine with such service.
January 3, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, skiwest said: Here is the website for CLE master plan: https://clevelandairportmasterplan.com/ It looks like they are planning public workshops for collecting input. The dates aren’t scheduled yet, but I hope they work so that I can get to one. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
January 4, 20205 yr Business as usual at Hopkins: https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2020/01/tsa-investigating-security-breach-at-cleveland-hopkins-international-airport-involving-airport-administrator.html
January 12, 20205 yr The Airspace Lounge at Hopkins is closing as it seems the company is going out of business--only CLE and SAN left on their website (0http://www.airspacelounge.com/cle/http://www.airspacelounge.com/cle/). Rumor is a Priority Pass lounge will take its place once the space is renovated and expanded---its a tiny space right now.
January 13, 20205 yr Would love a Priority Pass lounge at CLE. I have no idea how that company makes money with all the card-holders out there who are opted into it these days, but I guess that's for them to figure out!
January 13, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, ML11 said: Would love a Priority Pass lounge at CLE. I have no idea how that company makes money with all the card-holders out there who are opted into it these days, but I guess that's for them to figure out! A casual observation when hanging out in PP lounges--they do well with guest passes. Lots of business travelers bringing their co-workers in for an additional charge.
January 16, 20205 yr On 1/4/2020 at 1:32 PM, Pugu said: Business as usual at Hopkins: https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2020/01/tsa-investigating-security-breach-at-cleveland-hopkins-international-airport-involving-airport-administrator.html More details on this as well as improper behavior divulged: 'The letter says on that on Nov. 29, [Deputy Commissioner Eric] Turner, who oversees maintenance issues, returned to the airport’s secure parking lot with his relative and again escorted his relative through areas of the airport that require employees to display badges. The letter also notes that Turner’s relative was logged in at security as an IBM employee. Airport rules only allow employees to escort people through secure areas who are there for airport-related business. Two sources have told 3News that the relative is Turner’s brother. Turner and his relative parted ways near the security checkpoint and the relative went through the normal security check before boarding the plane, according to the letter..." If you scroll to the bottom of this you can see the details of a disciplinary process by the City: https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/deputy-airport-commissioner-escorted-relative-through-secure-areas-twice-at-hopkins-during-thanksgiving-city-record-show/95-7c3875d7-9a58-4083-9131-0eb6c57dd5e2
January 16, 20205 yr Just heard some interesting news re: potential Transatlantic routes. Does anyone know anything about Air Brussels?
January 16, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, YABO713 said: Just heard some interesting news re: potential Transatlantic routes. Does anyone know anything about Air Brussels? No; but Brussels Airlines, if that's what you mean, is part of the Lufthansa family of companies. Its smallest transatlantic aircraft is an Airbus 330-200 seating 257 people. this is large for a CLE route, but if it were less than daily, say 3 times a week, it might work in the summer. Under EU rules it could fly to any EU point from CLE - it wouldn't have to be Brussels. Edited January 16, 20205 yr by Dougal Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
January 16, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, Dougal said: Under EU rules it could fly to any EU point from CLE - it wouldn't have to be Brussels. Their operational hub is at Brussels. They would not fly into another city from CLE. Also, only BRU would give travelers the full range of transfer options.
January 16, 20205 yr Brussels Airlines is part of the Star Alliance which would be beneficial for United frequent flyers.
January 16, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, Pugu said: Their operational hub is at Brussels. They would not fly into another city from CLE. Also, only BRU would give travelers the full range of transfer options. Actually I completely forgot... I flew Brussels Airlines from Toronto earlier this year. Unfortunately, it for a 6-3 person like myself, it was the worst flying experience I've ever had.
January 16, 20205 yr ^So, Yabo, what is it that you heard? Are they looking at CLE? Is a deal in the works? I'd prefer Brussels Airlines over Aer Lingus (despite your experience) as from Brussels one can easily and more quickly get to other major cities (by train) than they can from Dublin.
January 16, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, Pugu said: More details on this as well as improper behavior divulged: 'The letter says on that on Nov. 29, [Deputy Commissioner Eric] Turner, who oversees maintenance issues, returned to the airport’s secure parking lot with his relative and again escorted his relative through areas of the airport that require employees to display badges. The letter also notes that Turner’s relative was logged in at security as an IBM employee. Airport rules only allow employees to escort people through secure areas who are there for airport-related business. Two sources have told 3News that the relative is Turner’s brother. Turner and his relative parted ways near the security checkpoint and the relative went through the normal security check before boarding the plane, according to the letter..." If you scroll to the bottom of this you can see the details of a disciplinary process by the City: https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/deputy-airport-commissioner-escorted-relative-through-secure-areas-twice-at-hopkins-during-thanksgiving-city-record-show/95-7c3875d7-9a58-4083-9131-0eb6c57dd5e2 Eric Turner was the supervisor of Abdul-Malik Ali, the former Manager of Field Maintenance who reported unsafe conditions and practices at Hopkins to the FAA. As a result of being a whistleblower, he was demoted to sit in a broom closet for which he later sued the city (including Turner by name). The city eventually settled a wrongful demotion lawsuit he filed for $425k and had to pay the FAA thousands in fines. Ali spoke out because of unsafe icy runways and other issues (lack of de-icing material, etc) as he was otherwise ignored. Luckily no one died, though they could have had Ali not spoken up. And now this from Eric Turner? Time for him to go.
January 16, 20205 yr 35 minutes ago, Pugu said: And now this from Eric Turner? Time for him to go. Not before some nice "paid administrative leave." And how much do you want to bet he gets to "retire" and keep benefits.
January 16, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, Pugu said: ^So, Yabo, what is it that you heard? Are they looking at CLE? Is a deal in the works? I'd prefer Brussels Airlines over Aer Lingus (despite your experience) as from Brussels one can easily and more quickly get to other major cities (by train) than they can from Dublin. It was all conjecture and I probably shouldn't talk about it given the forum in which I heard it... But, in summation, the discussion I've overheard was that CLE is exploring the option of defining itself as a Transatlantic destination for "discount" airlines that make the trip. Brussels Airlines was just the airline I'd heard mentioned. CLE the Eurotrip Family Dollar.
January 17, 20205 yr United is dropping CLE-LGA/DCA eff. 04/29/2020. ExpressJet will shutter their Cleveland operation base by year-end. They expect to be fully removed from the airport by Fall. Below is a notice from ExpressJet:
January 17, 20205 yr ^Ouch... I just used that Reagan flight recently too: United Airlines dropping nonstop service from Cleveland Hopkins to LaGuardia, Reagan National https://www.cleveland.com/business/2020/01/united-airlines-dropping-nonstop-service-from-cleveland-hopkins-to-laguardia-reagan-national.html Edited January 17, 20205 yr by MuRrAy HiLL
January 17, 20205 yr I’ve been flying American exclusively to both of those locations, so I dumped them, they didn’t dump me. American is happy to take my money and have me be a AAdvantage member. I really wish someone other than united had the west coast routes
January 17, 20205 yr Cleveland Hopkins International Airport welcomed just over 10 million passengers in 2019, the highest number in more than a decade. Passenger traffic in 2019 was up 4.13% over 2018, to 10,040,817 https://www.cleveland.com/business/2020/01/cleveland-hopkins-airport-passenger-traffic-hits-10-million-in-2019-up-4.html
January 17, 20205 yr I hate UA more than any other airline. Lots of jobs to be eliminated now as the entire ExpressJet base will be closed and if UA really think people will use IAD or EWR in place of DCA and LGA, they're idiots. They'll fly another carrier to/from DCA and LGA. Notice to ExpressJet employees: "“Outside of an unexpected major industry shift, we have been informed to expect the Cleveland crew base to cease to exist by the year end, most likely sooner, in the early fall.” Edited January 17, 20205 yr by Pugu
January 17, 20205 yr 41 minutes ago, Pugu said: I hate UA more than any other airline. Lots of jobs to be eliminated now as the entire ExpressJet base will be closed and if UA really think people will use IAD or EWR in place of DCA and LGA, they're idiots. They'll fly another carrier to/from DCA and LGA. I use EWR in place of LGA all the time.
January 17, 20205 yr To go to the city you use EWR? If I'm going to NY I only use LGA. If i were going somewhere in jersey, then I might use EWR, but I generally try to avoid UA (since 2014) and never go to Jersey.
January 17, 20205 yr 33 minutes ago, Pugu said: To go to the city you use EWR? If I'm going to NY I only use LGA. If i were going somewhere in jersey, then I might use EWR, but I generally try to avoid UA (since 2014) and never go to Jersey. Airtrain to NYP. Sometimes faster than the taxi/uber queue at LGA, or even the M60 to the subway.
January 17, 20205 yr ^yeah, I can see that. I guess I blocked EWR out of my options for NYC as CLE-EWR was UA only and I would never fly UA to NY when I had the options of DL and AA. I'm hoping DL announces more daily CLE-LGAs on Monday--like they did when UA dropped CLE-BOS, though to do that they'd have to reduce flights from other LGA destinations given their limited slots. Likewise with AA or DL at National.
January 17, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Cleburger said: I use EWR in place of LGA all the time. We traveled to Manhattan last year through EWR and and took Uber into the city for $100. Took about 20 minutes to our hotel near Washington Park. Our ride from the hotel to EWR took a little bit longer but only because the taxi driver made a wrong turn. Thankfully he turned off his meter when he realized he made the mistake. But the ride took maybe 25-30 minutes tops. In July, it took us 30 minutes to take the shuttle bus from LGA to the taxi stand. Granted, LGA was all torn up. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 18, 20205 yr Cross-posted in the Amtrak thread: Here's why Cleveland lost its United Airlines flights to NY LaGuardia and to Washington-Reagan National....because United needed the slots at those over-congested airports to provide hourly NYC-WDC flights! It's bad enough when we don't even have one comfortable, well-scheduled overnight train between Cleveland or other Ohio cities to/from the East Coast's big cities. Or European- and Pacific Rim-standard high-speed with 3-hour trip times from Ohio's largest downtowns to the East Coast's largest downtowns. But when a passenger rail service in America's best passenger rail corridor, the Northeast Corridor, still crawls through 19th-century tunnels and over 100-year-old bridges it isn't good enough to achieve First World standards. Nor is it good enough to render obsolete airline service between those cities separated by just 225 miles. This case example makes it obvious how poor our nation's infrastructure really is. Here's why Cleveland lost its United Airlines flights to NY LaGuardia and to Washington-Reagan National....because United needed the slots at those over-congested airports to provide hourly NYC-WDC flights! It's bad enough when we don't even have one comfortable, well-scheduled overnight train between Cleveland or other Ohio cities to/from the East Coast's big cities. Or European- and Pacific Rim-standard high-speed with 3-hour trip times from Ohio's largest downtowns to the East Coast's largest downtowns. But when a passenger rail service in America's best passenger rail corridor, the Northeast Corridor, still crawls through 19th-century tunnels and over 100-year-old bridges it isn't good enough to achieve First World standards. Nor is it good enough to render obsolete airline service between those cities separated by just 225 miles. This case example makes it obvious how poor our nation's infrastructure really is. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 18, 20205 yr United will get theirs. In the meantime, they lost a ton of business in a middle sized market.
January 18, 20205 yr United is expanding its nonstop flights from Cleveland to Florida: CLE-RSW: Extended through May 30, 2020, original end date of May 7, 2020 CLE-FLL: Extended through May 30, 2020, original end date of May 7, 2020 CLE-TPA: Switches from regional (E175) to mainline (B737) eff. May 9, 2020. Extended through May 30, 2020, original end date of May 2, 2020. CLE-MCO: 2nd daily weekend flight extended through May 30, 2020, original end date of May 2, 2020. In west coast news: CLE-LAX switches from 2x daily to 3x daily eff. June 5, 2020. 2x daily extended through fall, winter 2020, originally 1x daily. CLE-SFO 2x daily extended through fall, winter 2020. Originally 1x daily.
January 21, 20205 yr Two new dining options added at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport Kim Palmer - Jan. 21, 2019 https://www.crainscleveland.com/transportation/two-new-dining-options-added-cleveland-hopkins-international-airport "Cleveland Hopkins International Airport (CLE) has added Cantina taqueria and tequila bar and 800 Degrees Woodfired Kitchen to its list of restaurants. . . . Cantina taqueria and tequila bar, located in Concourse C, is decorated in the style of a streetside Mexican taqueria. . . . The Los Angeles-based 800 Degrees Woodfired Kitchen uses a stone oven to create traditional pizzas with rotisserie meats and woodfired appetizers. The restaurant, which includes NBA players Dwyane Wade and Udonis Haslem as partners, is in Concourse A."
January 24, 20205 yr Over on airliners.net it was pointed out that Air Canada will be swapping out their 4x daily 50-seat CR2 flights for 3x daily 76-seat E75s. A really great upgauge for CLE and speaks to the strength of the market, in my opinion. The new schedule is effective 04 May. Edited January 24, 20205 yr by CMHOhio Typo
January 24, 20205 yr On 1/18/2020 at 1:30 PM, avtcle said: United is expanding its nonstop flights from Cleveland to Florida: CLE-RSW: Extended through May 30, 2020, original end date of May 7, 2020 CLE-FLL: Extended through May 30, 2020, original end date of May 7, 2020 CLE-TPA: Switches from regional (E175) to mainline (B737) eff. May 9, 2020. Extended through May 30, 2020, original end date of May 2, 2020. CLE-MCO: 2nd daily weekend flight extended through May 30, 2020, original end date of May 2, 2020. In west coast news: CLE-LAX switches from 2x daily to 3x daily eff. June 5, 2020. 2x daily extended through fall, winter 2020, originally 1x daily. CLE-SFO 2x daily extended through fall, winter 2020. Originally 1x daily. United flies CLE-TPA? I can’t find that flight anywhere
January 24, 20205 yr I don't see any United nonstops to Tampa until March, and it looks like they are only on Saturdays.
January 24, 20205 yr "....The airport is predicting additional growth in 2020, adding perhaps another 500,000 to 600,000 seats, for another year of 4-5% growth.....[Airport Director] Kennedy said he is looking forward to another strong year in 2020. “We’ve got a couple of announcements to look forward to that will add more capacity here,” said Kennedy. “It’s a little premature to talk about it. Some of them are pretty good.”" https://www.cleveland.com/business/2020/01/delta-frontier-airlines-show-biggest-growth-at-cleveland-hopkins-airport-in-2019.html Any guesses on new routes/equipment upgauges?
January 24, 20205 yr hopeful that Air Canada picks up Montreal, Alaska picks up Seattle and it would be nice to get AA back to Phoenix.
January 25, 20205 yr 21 hours ago, BelievelandD1 said: hopeful that Air Canada picks up Montreal, Alaska picks up Seattle and it would be nice to get AA back to Phoenix. AA added Phoenix seasonal out of CVG this year, which is a benefit for Reds fans headed to Goodyear, maybe they will realize Indians fans share the same facility... AC picking up a bunch of A220 this year they are planning on more US routes out of Toronto and Montreal.
January 25, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, savadams13 said: AA added Phoenix seasonal out of CVG this year, which is a benefit for Reds fans headed to Goodyear, maybe they will realize Indians fans share the same facility... AC picking up a bunch of A220 this year they are planning on more US routes out of Toronto and Montreal. That would be great. The problem with AA to PHX is frontier and southwest already serve it, but I’m not a fan of those for work travel
January 26, 20205 yr 8 hours ago, BelievelandD1 said: That would be great. The problem with AA to PHX is frontier and southwest already serve it, but I’m not a fan of those for work travel Ah yeah then Doug Parker won't even try to fight that route nevermind...
January 28, 20205 yr I still find it unbelievable that the busiest airport in the region (CLE) doesn't have direct flights to Europe, when CVG, PIT and IND have direct flights to London and Paris. I think much of it is due to UAL's stranglehold on the city. Edited January 28, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder
January 28, 20205 yr 13 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said: I still find it unbelievable that the busiest airport in the region (CLE) doesn't have direct flights to Europe, when CVG, PIT and IND have direct flights to London and Paris. I think much of it is due to UAL's stranglehold on the city. Possibly--lots of Star Alliance legacy fliers in CLE. But as discussed many times upthread, the flights you mention have more to due with subsidies, which no one in Cleveland has been putting on the table thus far.
January 28, 20205 yr CLE did use subsidies to attract WOW and IcelandAir. Unfortunately, both of those ended due to WOW's bankruptcy IcelandAir's 737 Max woes.
January 28, 20205 yr 14 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said: I still find it unbelievable that the busiest airport in the region (CLE) doesn't have direct flights to Europe, when CVG, PIT and IND have direct flights to London and Paris. I think much of it is due to UAL's stranglehold on the city. As others have mentioned, subsidies is really the only way CLE will get one of these flights and subsidies are the reason these other cities have them. Additionally, ridership numbers at CLE are not much different than CVG, PIT, IND, or even CMH. CLE and PIT seem to trade places every year in terms of who has higher passenger traffic. IND was only 200k behind CLE last year. Columbus (CMH+LCK) is only about 1M behind and gaining ground every year. CVG is also about 1M behind has increased quite a bit in recent years. All of the region's main airports are very similar in terms of passenger traffic. There's really not one that's head and shoulders above the others.
January 28, 20205 yr 15 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said: I still find it unbelievable that the busiest airport in the region (CLE) doesn't have direct flights to Europe, when CVG, PIT and IND have direct flights to London and Paris. I think much of it is due to UAL's stranglehold on the city. I lived in PIT when they were implementing the Lufthansa flights - those were heavily subsidized despite having Bayer/Covestro there. I'm not 100%, but I feel like most foreign routes outside of MAJOR airports are most likely subsidized in one way or another. Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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