On 8/17/2023 at 10:54 AM, Dev said:

Direct link to article: https://local12.com/news/local/home-values-jumped-131-in-one-cincinnati-neighborhood-april-johnson-market-value-econ-hamilton-county-east-westwood-mount-lookout-mariemont-auditor-brigid-kelly-home-rent-house-cincinnati-ohio#

 

Brigid Kelly was on WVXU yesterday and spent 20 minutes explaining that if your valuation goes up 50%, in no situation will your actual tax bill increase by the same amount, and that it will likely only increase by about 20%.  The first caller, predictably, fails to understand this and goes off the rails, calling for a class action lawsuit. 

 

 

 

 

 

Auditors' offices can't win. Value goes up = people pissed off. Value goes down (2008) = people pissed off.

1 hour ago, Lazarus said:

Here is a link to the affordable housing charter amendment, which will appear on the November ballot:

https://www.scribd.com/document/669503599/Nov-2023-Affordable-Housing-Charter-Amendment#

 

Totally vague plan which will eat up money and accomplish almost nothing.  The poorest people in the city already live in public housing and/or receive Section 8 vouchers. 

It is about trying to pass what they can of the tenant bill of rights. Much of their efforts, like rent control, have been thrwarted by that damn Constitution getting in the way, but one of the things they are trying to do is provide legal rep to tenants facing eviction (not a good idea and would clog up the system, but that is for a different day). The big issue there is they need a funding source. This will likely be that source, amongst other things. 

56 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

Brigid Kelly was on WVXU yesterday and spent 20 minutes explaining that if your valuation goes up 50%, in no situation will your actual tax bill increase by the same amount, and that it will likely only increase by about 20%.  The first caller, predictably, fails to understand this and goes off the rails, calling for a class action lawsuit. 

 

I've been surprised the last few months at how many people don't realize that most of the property taxes collected are fixed amounts and that the millage is determined by the amount, not the other way around. The reappraisal just redistributes the tax burden, it doesn't increase it.  I think a lot of people are going to be surprised they actually get a tax cut next year despite an increase in their value. 

3 hours ago, GCrites said:

Auditors' offices can't win. Value goes up = people pissed off. Value goes down (2008) = people pissed off.

 

Hamilton County's 25 year-old website has nice pie graphs on it that show you exactly where your property tax payments go.  I doubt that almost any of the complainers could be convinced by the data that everything's going to be okay. 

On 9/7/2023 at 2:07 PM, Ram23 said:

 

I've been surprised the last few months at how many people don't realize that most of the property taxes collected are fixed amounts and that the millage is determined by the amount, not the other way around. The reappraisal just redistributes the tax burden, it doesn't increase it.  I think a lot of people are going to be surprised they actually get a tax cut next year despite an increase in their value. 

Hopefully she gives the website an overdue makeover, which includes the breakdown between fixed and millage rates. I bet most property owners don't know that some of the authorities have multiple property taxes levied, and when some of them at set to expire, or that that they can fluctuate over time, etc. We could also use more information about how TIFs and tax abatements impact taxes but those are a lot more complicated so I can understand if that might take awhile.

  

On 9/7/2023 at 12:29 PM, Lazarus said:

The poorest people in the city already live in public housing and/or receive Section 8 vouchers. 

It's not close to enough. There is a massive waiting list for public housing, which is closed, and most landlords do not accept Section 8. So it helps some of the poorest people in our region, not all.

Also, if CMHA can't get grant funding to renovate their properties, they will just demolish them and convert all thee tenants to vouchers.

  

On 9/7/2023 at 1:40 PM, Brutus_buckeye said:

Much of their efforts, like rent control, have been thrwarted by that damn Constitution getting in the way, but one of the things they are trying to do is provide legal rep to tenants facing eviction (not a good idea and would clog up the system, but that is for a different day).

I know it was made illegal in Ohio but when was that ever declared unconstitutional? 

13 minutes ago, Dev said:

I know it was made illegal in Ohio but when was that ever declared unconstitutional?

Developers want rent-control outlawed, so they went to the place where they know they can get this done: SCOTUS, the beloved activist court we were all warned about when Obama was president.

 

It isn't unconstitutional YET, but it will be soon.

 

https://www.nahb.org/blog/2023/06/rent-control

Edited September 8, 20231 yr by 10albersa

2 minutes ago, 10albersa said:

Developers want rent-control outlawed, so they went to the place where they know they can get this done: SCOTUS, the beloved activist court we were all warned about when Obama was president.

 

It isn't unconstitutional YET, but it will be soon.

 

https://www.nahb.org/blog/2023/06/rent-control

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. It will interesting to see how they rule on this.

21 minutes ago, Dev said:

I know it was made illegal in Ohio but when was that ever declared unconstitutional? 

Rent control was made illegal. What would be unconstitutional would have been some of the other ideas (just cause eviction for one) that they were trying to push through, which would run in direct conflict to state law landlord tenant rights (i.e regarding constitutionality. the state could certainly make a law like just cause eviction, but the local municipality could not override the state law)

At last week's City Planning Commission meeting, the planning department presented their 2023 Annual Report and 2024 Work Plan, which had a slide dedicated to Connected Communities, their zoning reform initiative.

 

On 9/8/2023 at 2:29 PM, Dev said:

I know it was made illegal in Ohio but when was that ever declared unconstitutional? 

It is not Unconsitutional if the state passed a rent control law or a law that said cities could decide the issue on their own. It is Unconstitutional in the sense that cities could usurp state law in this capacity and pass their own rent control laws.

Wasn’t sure where to post this. Good report on the 2010-2020 population change in each Cincy neighborhood as well as amount of housing units/density/housing prices, etc. 

 

https://www.wvxu.org/politics/2024-03-26/only-a-third-of-cincinnati-neighborhoods-added-housing-2010-to-2020-report