April 18, 200718 yr I believe it should be: "Those who are willing to sacrifice essential freedom for security deserve neither." by Ben Franklin. It makes a little more sense this way
April 18, 200718 yr LincolnKennedy, You are speaking of what you believe to be an average person and talking in generalities, and you may or may not be correct. Are you willing to take that chance? Most people do not, even when given the opportunity, choose to get the c/c. But should we all be denied the opportunity? I can go out right now and get my c/c, and I choose not to, but should we say everyone should not have that choice. To be honest it was the silly anti-socialist rant that got me fired up enough to respond. There are two things to consider here: 1) the ideology of concealed-carry, which I feel I sufficiently addressed in my previous post, an 2) dealing with a real-life situation where you are confronted by an attacker. Regarding that, my point is that there is a big difference between simply carrying a gun and responding in an effective manner to a dangerous tactical situation. Just because you are packing doesn't mean you are going to use the weapon effectively, or even be able to use it. Let's consider the recent tragic events at Virginia Tech. From what I've seen on the New York Times website, this nutjob killed at least 30 people in four seperate classrooms, over the course of 20 minutes. Unless this guy murdered everyone in each classroom, reloaded, and then moved on to the next, the first question I have is, why didn't anyone rush this guy when he was reloading? When someone breaks out a gun and starts shooting at people, they cast a spell. They are the actor and the rest of us are the acted upon. Most people freeze because they don't know exactly how to respond in such a dangerous and novel situation and they hope that they become invisible. But it's pretty clear that the best response is to immediately pursue the attacker. Escape may give you the best chances of survival; but either way the key is to break the attackers initiative, realize that you are always capable of action, put him on the defensive, keep him off balance, take away his control of the situation. Carrying may give you an advantage but it doesn't change this point, which is more important that simply having a weapon. Apropos of nothing, here's an anecdote. I had to break up a knife fight the other night. Well, not so much a fight as some douchebag who pulled a knife on somebody after a fight. Though I had visions of pulling some Chuck Norris move to disarm the assailant, all I ended up doing was yelling to put the blade away. And it worked. What is instructive about Cramer's experience is how effective simply acting with authority can be in defusing hostile confrontations between strangers. Most criminals aren't looking for a fight, they are looking for an easy mark. My point in telling that is it was a case where we had to defend ourselves and our property from a drugged-up maniac and we couldn't just stand by and watch him trash the place waiting for the cops to show up. I had about $7,000 worth of camera gear just 10 feet from where this was happening. But at the same time I'm glad nobody had a gun because you don't even want that to be an option. That's a good point, having a gun encourages people to use them, and then things escalate a lot quicker and become a lot worse.
April 18, 200718 yr Well...Abraham Lincoln said "Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves". But I find it interesting that you mention your particular quote...I wonder what your feelings of the Patriot Act are?? Either way this whole conversation has gotten completely side bared. It is meant to be discussing Cincy population trends not the pet peeves of individuals...there is a crime thread should you wish to continue this conversation. I don't like the Patriot Act at all. It was pushed on the American people during a time of weakness and intense passion. Spying on Americans is reprehensible no matter what the situation is.
April 18, 200718 yr I believe it should be: "Those who are willing to sacrifice essential freedom for security deserve neither." by Ben Franklin. It makes a little more sense this way Thanks for the correction.
April 18, 200718 yr Well...Abraham Lincoln said "Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves". But I find it interesting that you mention your particular quote...I wonder what your feelings of the Patriot Act are?? Either way this whole conversation has gotten completely side bared. It is meant to be discussing Cincy population trends not the pet peeves of individuals...there is a crime thread should you wish to continue this conversation. I don't like the Patriot Act at all. It was pushed on the American people during a time of weakness and intense passion. Spying on Americans is reprehensible no matter what the situation is. Gov't secrecy is a threat to democracy! *slams fist on table*
April 18, 200718 yr Well...Abraham Lincoln said "Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves". But I find it interesting that you mention your particular quote...I wonder what your feelings of the Patriot Act are?? Either way this whole conversation has gotten completely side bared. It is meant to be discussing Cincy population trends not the pet peeves of individuals...there is a crime thread should you wish to continue this conversation. I don't like the Patriot Act at all. It was pushed on the American people during a time of weakness and intense passion. Spying on Americans is reprehensible no matter what the situation is. Gov't secrecy is a threat to democracy! *slams fist on table* LOL....Couldn't put it better myself.
April 18, 200718 yr Most people freeze because they don't know exactly how to respond in such a dangerous and novel situation and they hope that they become invisible. But it's pretty clear that the best response is to immediately pursue the attacker. Escape may give you the best chances of survival; but either way the key is to break the attackers initiative, realize that you are always capable of action, put him on the defensive, keep him off balance, take away his control of the situation. Carrying may give you an advantage but it doesn't change this point, which is more important that simply having a weapon. Most people would, you are correct. But it only takes one, and if that one is armed (and in the VA Tech case it is a mute point because it was on school grounds) why should we not afford them any advantage we can. Not everyone is a hero, but they do exist. ALBUQUERQUE (AP) Police said Felix Vigil was attacking his ex-wife with a knife near the store's deli counter where she worked when an armed customer intervened and shot him. The woman, Joyce Cordova, was treated for multiple stab wounds and later released from an Albuquerque hospital. The armed customer, 72-year-old Due Moore, was interviewed after the shooting last Thursday and released. We will not stop every act of violence regardless of what laws we enact. The human response I do not believe can be generalized however and must be prefaced (as you did) by saying most people, not all people freeze. So if there is any edge that we can give to even one, would be victim, then this is what should be done.
April 19, 200718 yr From the 4/18/07 Enquirer: Chief says officer 'heroic' BY KIMBALL PERRY AND JENNIFER BAKER | [email protected]; [email protected] ROSELAWN --- Police Chief Tom Streicher today praised the actions of an off-duty police officer who fired at a man who had just shot someone behind Vito's Nightclub. District 3 Police Officer Fred Vincent apparently did not injure the gunman in the shooting. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070418/NEWS01/304180012/
April 19, 200718 yr Another Cecil Thomas idea dies At the 1/26/07 Law & Public Safety Committee meeting, Thomas offered a motion that the City should explore the feasibility of posting signs informing people under court-ordered community control for serious drug or violence crimes of the consequences of their actions. The signs would be posted in areas identified by police as locations of drug activity and crimes of violence.
April 20, 200718 yr Link contains photos. From the 4/20/07 Enquirer: Cop shoots man in the arm BY QUAN TRUONG | [email protected] WEST END - A man was taken to the hospital early Friday morning after an officer shot him. It was the third time in about a week that officers have fired their guns, Cincinnati Police Chief Tom Streicher said. The incident began around 1 a.m. when Officer Jason Rees, 25, observed two men engaging in what police said was suspicious activity on Linn Street near Findlay. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070420/NEWS01/304200020/
April 21, 200718 yr Tough love vs. violent crime BY JANE PRENDERGAST | [email protected] April 21, 2007 CINCINNATI - Cincinnati’s new plan to cut gun violence could hit its key phase by mid-July: face-to-face meetings between Cincinnati criminals and their grandmothers. The most important part of the project will be involvement by real people in neighborhoods and their insistence not just that violence is wrong, but “that the community needs it to stop,” says crime expert David Kennedy.
April 21, 200718 yr :-D 81-year-old chases intruders THE ENQUIRER An 81-year-old man armed with a rifle chased off two burglars early Friday in Madisonville, Cincinnati police said. The man got his gun after two suspects broke into his home in the 4300 block of Plainville Road about 2:16 a.m. Friday and forced two women to the floor. Nothing was taken. The suspects ran off in an unknown direction, police said. Anyone with information about the case is asked to call Crime Stoppers at 513-352-3040. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070421/NEWS01/704210401/-1/rss
April 22, 200718 yr Community key to crime plan Professor describes 'Boston plan' at meeting BY JANE PRENDERGAST | [email protected] April 22, 2007 CINCINNATI - Cincinnati's new plan to cut gun violence could hit its key phase in July: face-to-face meetings between Cincinnati criminals, their grandmothers and other influential people. The most important part of the project will be involvement by neighborhood residents and their insistence not only that violence is wrong, but also "that the community needs it to stop," said crime expert David Kennedy.
April 23, 200718 yr A 'likely killers' list? BY JESSICA BROWN & JANE PRENDERGAST | [email protected] & [email protected] April 23, 2007 CINCINNATI - A day after announcing the compilation of a list of the 1,500 most dangerous criminals in Hamilton County and Cincinnati, County Commissioner Todd Portune said today he is ready to go on to the next step: present it to law enforcement. He wants to take the list soon to Sheriff Simon Leis and the prosecutor's office to discuss what needs to be done for this program to be effective.
April 25, 200718 yr Both from the 4/24/07 Enquirer: Mayor criticizes likely killers list BY JANE PRENDERGAST | [email protected] Creation of a list of 1,500 likely murderers drew criticism Tuesday from Cincinnati’s mayor, who called it “a class-action lawsuit waiting to happen.” The politicians behind the list – City Council candidates Melanie Bates and Charlie Winburn, with help from Hamilton County Commissioner Todd Portune – hoped the city and other jurisdictions would use their list, which Bates called a roster of “people with the potential to kill in our neighborhoods.” http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070424/NEWS01/304240054/ Cop accused of removing DUI record BY SHARON COOLIDGE | [email protected] A Cincinnati police officer is accused of helping an acquaintance by removing a drunken-driving citation from the record before it was sent to court, Police Chief Tom Streicher said Monday. Officer Clayton Neel was arrested Monday afternoon on a charge of tampering with records, Streicher said. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070424/NEWS01/704240406/-1/rss
April 25, 200718 yr I think a "likely killers" list is only a good idea if it is used by people who will attempt to intervene constructively in lives of those on the list to try and turn them away from a life of crime. At no time should such a list be published. That would be equivalent to punishing someone for a crime they didn't commit. Although the list would contain crimes that have already been committed (and thus would show up on a background check), as the title of the list suggests ("likely killers"), it would stigmatize the listees with a greater crime than they have committed. That could be devastating for the employment prospects of the listees. If a listee couldn't find a job, that certainly wouldn't help him stop committing crimes.
April 25, 200718 yr ^^ What I found hilarious (in a sad way) was the editorial in yesterday's Enquirer where the paper's editorial board came down against the list, citing privacy concerns. They said such a list should not be made public. This from the same paper that saw fit to publish the names of the jurors in the Liz Carroll trial.
April 26, 200718 yr ^It's got mothing to do with crime but - what was up with printing the names of the CPS people who got laid off ? Daggonne paper might as well just start printing the damn phone book.
April 26, 200718 yr what was up with printing the names of the CPS people who got laid off ? Wow, I missed that! That is wrong and disrespectful.
May 2, 200718 yr From the 5/2/07 Enquirer: Cameras enlisted to fight crime BY KIMBALL PERRY | [email protected] Criminals in Walnut Hills next month may want to start smiling, because candid images of their crimes may be recorded on camera. A failed program that would have allowed the city of Cincinnati to use video cameras to watch high-crime areas is being resurrected in two neighborhoods and will rely on high-speed Internet connections. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070502/NEWS01/705020416/
May 3, 200718 yr From the 5/3/07 Cincinnati Post: ACLU: Extend city police agreement By Joe Wessels Post contributor The plaintiffs in the nearly five-year-old Collaborative Agreement with Cincinnati police said when they ask for an extension of the pact later this month, they will focus on the police administration, not the officers who serve under it. American Civil Liberties Union attorney Alphonse Gerhardstein, who is representing the plaintiffs, said Tuesday that the Collaborative should continue and zero in on the police command structure, specifically Police Chief Thomas H. Streicher Jr. http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070503/NEWS01/705030382
May 5, 200718 yr From the 5/3/07 Enquirer: Justice isn't blind -- it's on video BY KIMBALL PERRY | [email protected] Kent Parker is blind but justice isn’t. That’s a lesson police hope LaTonya Browner learns. Browner, 39, of the 5700 block of Montgomery Road in Pleasant Ridge, is accused of stealing from Parker, a blind man who owns and operates a deli inside the Hamilton County Courthouse. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070503/NEWS01/305030034/
May 5, 200718 yr Both from the 5/4/07 Enquirer: School buses attacked near zoo 3 girls in kindergarten injured BY MICHAEL D. CLARK | [email protected] AVONDALE - Buses taking students from three suburban school districts on field trips to the city's zoo were hit with a brick and other objects as they traveled through Avondale on Thursday, leaving three kindergarten students injured. Three girls from Butler County's Lakota schools were injured when a brick was thrown through one of the bus' glass windows near Forest and Vine streets. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070504/NEWS01/705040418/ Honored cop faces DUI charges MADD gave Cincinnati officer award BY KIMBALL PERRY | [email protected] A Cincinnati police officer who recently received an award from Mothers Against Drunk Driving was arrested Wednesday in Aurora, Ind., on drunken-driving charges. Police Spc. Charles Beebe, 54, was arrested after Aurora police pulled him over in the city. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070504/NEWS01/705040412/
May 5, 200718 yr All from the 5/5/07 Enquirer: Actor robbed; suspects caught BY JANE PRENDERGAST | [email protected] DOWNTOWN - An actor in town to film commercials for Cincinnati Bell was robbed Thursday night, police say, by four teenagers who were caught within five minutes. Shawn Davis, who lives in New York City, was walking near Fourth and Race streets just before 11 p.m. when he was surrounded by the teens, one of whom pointed a gun at him and demanded his money. He handed over his wallet, and the four ran. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070505/NEWS01/705050357/ Bus attack seen as isolated incident Zoo trips will go on BY MICHAEL D. CLARK | [email protected] AVONDALE - Despite Thursday's attack on five school buses, which left three kindergarten students injured, most area school officials say they don't plan to cancel trips to the zoo. May is the busiest time of the year for field trips with more than 47,000 students expected to tour the Cincinnati Zoo & Botanical Garden. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070505/NEWS0102/705050353/ Another Cincinnati cop arrested BY SHARON COOLIDGE | [email protected] A Cincinnati police officer allegedly cited two drivers for minor driving infractions but never told the drivers. Instead, Officer Elizabeth Phillips forged the drivers' signatures, according to police officials and documents filed in Hamilton County Court. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070505/NEWS01/705050366/
May 6, 200718 yr "It was a one-time incident and we don't want to deprive our kids of the zoo experience because of a one-time incident," If only all people applied this type of logic to crime...For example, someone gets hit by a stray bullet and all of a sudden its a regular occurrence (as opposed to being the one time thing that it is). The first thing I heard from my parents as I walked in the door that day is "Did you hear that some black guy was throwing bricks at school buses near the Zoo?" Fantastic! My family is always ready to pounce on me with anti-city jargon. :| But you know what, I don't think they are too far off what most suburbanites think/feel unfortunately.
May 7, 200718 yr Link contains a photo. From the 5/7/07 Enquirer: Arrest in Courthouse Deli theft THE ENQUIRER For the second time in two weeks, a person has been charged with stealing from the visually impaired owner of the Courthouse Deli on the first floor of the Hamilton County Justice Center. The sheriff's department said this morning that Mary Cayze, 19, of the 7600 block of Hamilton Avenue, Mount Healthy, was arrested today at 8:25 a.m. She was charged with theft. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070507/NEWS01/305070026/
May 9, 200718 yr Both from the 5/8/07 Enquirer: Cincy PD cop in court BY JENNIFER BAKER | [email protected] A veteran Cincinnati police officer accused of raping a woman he was supposed to help after she reported an assault is scheduled to appear in court this morning. A trial will be scheduled for William Simpson, 46, or he could enter a plea at 9 a.m. before Hamilton County Common Pleas Judge Ethna M. Cooper, court records show. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070508/NEWS01/305080011/ Officer faces felony charges BY SHARON COOLIDGE | [email protected] A Cincinnati police officer accused of purposely losing an acquaintance's drunken driving citation and returning that person's driver's license now faces felony charges. A Hamilton County grand jury indicted Clayton Neel on charges of theft in office, tampering with records and tampering with evidence. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070508/NEWS01/705080402/
May 11, 200718 yr From the 5/10/07 Enquirer: Prosecutor: Two shot for $20 of pot Gerald Bullucks didn’t want to pay for $20 worth of marijuana he was trying to buy New Year’s Eve so he shot two men, killing one, prosecutors said today. Bullucks was at the intersection of Goble Avenue and Westwood Northern Boulevard at about 6 p.m. Dec. 31 when he was trying to buy the pot, Assistant Hamilton County Prosecutor Betsy Sundermann told the judge today. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070510/NEWS01/305100035/
May 13, 200718 yr From the 5/13/07 Enquirer: Where have the Angels gone? Some West Siders wonder about the anti-crime group BY KIMBALL PERRY | [email protected] The Guardian Angels were heralded as potential saviors when they arrived in the summer of 2004, vowing to help clean up crime in Westwood and Price Hill. Now, even fervent advocates of that area wonder what happened. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070513/NEWS01/705130403/
May 14, 200718 yr LOL. From the 5/13/07 Enquirer: Cops: Man robs KFC, drops wallet BY EILEEN KELLEY | [email protected] AVONDALE -- An Avondale man who allegedly robbed a fast-food restaurant gave police a lot of help in finding him on Sunday. As he fled, he dropped his wallet, which contained a photo identification card, his Social Security card and birth certificate, according to police Nathan James McFarland, 42, of the 900 block of Burton Ave., is accused of assaulting at least two employees of the Kentucky Fried Chicken in the 3000 block of Reading Rd before racing out with a fist full of cash. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070513/NEWS01/305130016/-1/rss
May 15, 200718 yr Both from the 5/15/07 Enquirer: Talks helped start Avondale project Residents, businesses pitch in for cleanup program's launch BY JANE PRENDERGAST | [email protected] AVONDALE - Cincinnati on Monday launched a three-month effort against blight, crime and dilapidated buildings here, the second neighborhood targeted by the city for such a blitz. Residents and business owners are happy for the help, for one key reason, said Patricia Milton, president of the Avondale Community Council: city officials asked first, rather than descending upon the neighborhood as if they alone could "save" it. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070515/NEWS01/705150402/ Accused robber jailed THE ENQUIRER An Avondale man accused of trying to rob three places over the weekend - and identified when he left his wallet at one of the robberies, police said - is in jail on $300,000 bond. Nathan McFarland, 42, was in court Monday to answer three counts of armed robbery. He is accused of robbing a Kentucky Fried Chicken and a White Castle restaurant as well as a check-cashing store. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070515/NEWS01/705150377/
May 18, 200718 yr Both from the 5/17/07 Enquirer: Rock-thrower arrests praised Avondale residents help ID suspects in bus attack BY KIMBALL PERRY | [email protected] AVONDALE - Community Council president Patricia Milton is proud her neighbors helped catch two boys who police say injured a 5-year-old girl earlier this month on a school bus headed to a field trip at the Cincinnati Zoo. "I think that speaks to really pulling together to do what's right," Milton said Wednesday. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070517/NEWS01/705170412/ Burglary suspect found asleep THE ENQUIRER Cincinnati police say they didn’t have to go far to find the person they believe kicked in the door of an Evanston woman – because they found him asleep inside her home. Police arrived at the home in the 1800 block of Clarion Avenue at about 11 p.m. Wednesday and say the back door of the woman’s home was kicked in. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070517/NEWS01/305170020/
May 19, 200718 yr Link contains photos. From the 5/19/07 Enquirer: Five shot in separate incidents BY QUAN TRUONG | [email protected] A Cincinnati Vortex officer shot and critically wounded an armed man in Over-the-Rhine about 9:15 p.m. Friday. Minutes earlier, at about 9 p.m., four people in a Winton Hills parking lot were shot, one critically, by an unknown assailant. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070519/NEWS01/305190011/
May 20, 200718 yr Link contains photos. From the 5/20/07 Enquirer: Cops explain shooting Drug sting nets fake, real weapons BY JAMES MCNAIR | [email protected] A Cincinnati police officer shot a Mount Auburn man twice - critically injuring him - after the man ran toward officers with a handgun and ignored orders to stop, police officials said Saturday. A drug deal, a gun sale and a fight in an Over-the-Rhine park Friday night preceded the shooting of the 19-year-old man. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070520/NEWS01/705200355/
May 21, 200718 yr From the 5/21/07 Cincinnati Post: Mallory, Thomas quell rumors By Joe Wessels Post contributor Cincinnati's mayor and a City Council member stepped into action Friday night to quell fast-traveling rumors after police shot and critically injured a suspect in Over-the-Rhine. "As soon as they find out it's gun versus gun, then it's OK," said Cincinnati City Council Member Cecil Thomas, a 28-year veteran of the Cincinnati Police department and former director of the Cincinnati Human Relations Commission. "There was a lot of misinformation out (in the neighborhood)." http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AE/20070521/NEWS01/705210371/
May 25, 200718 yr From the 5/24/07 Enquirer: Local loser Andre Wilson Another courthouse deli arrest BY KIMBALL PERRY | [email protected] For the third time in a month, police have arrested someone for stealing from the blind owner of the deli inside the Hamilton County Courthouse. Andre Wilson, 43, of Winton Hills, was arrested at 8:30 a.m. today by sheriff's deputies and charged with two counts of theft. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070524/NEWS01/305240038/
May 27, 200718 yr To: University of Cincinnati Community From: Lt. Col. Peggy Rose University of Cincinnati Police At approximately 3:30 a.m. on Sunday, May 27, University of Cincinnati Police received calls that shots had been fired in Calhoun Hall Lobby. The preliminary investigation shows that four shots were fired near the breezeway doors and north patio. There were no reported injuries. At this time, the shooting is believed to be the end result of confrontations between two groups known to each other. These groups consisted of both students and non-students. All subjects fled the scene. The police were able to make contact with one subject later in the morning. Though we have multiple leads, no arrests have yet been made in the case. The police are continuing to investigate the shooting and will have an officer stationed in Calhoun Hall through at least the remainder of the day Sunday. If you have any information on the shooting, please call the University of Cincinnati Police at 556-4907 or call the anonymous tip line at 556-COPS.
May 28, 200718 yr Link contains photos. From the 5/27/07 Enquirer: Police kill shooter 'It was a running gun battle,' Streicher said BY JESSICA BROWN | [email protected] SOUTH FAIRMOUNT – For the second time in nine days, Cincinnati police officers shot a suspect Sunday, this time fatally. Police killed a man who had fired at two officers after they confronted him for allegedly stealing ice cream from a convenience store, Police Chief Tom Streicher said. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070527/NEWS01/305270020/
May 28, 200718 yr From the 5/28/07 Enquirer: Multimedia Audio: UDF's 911 and police dispatch calls (MP3) Chief: Cops 'commendable' BY DAN HORN | [email protected] SOUTH FAIRMOUNT – Cincinnati Police Chief Tom Streicher said Monday that all five officers involved in Sunday’s fatal shooting of a suspect fleeing police had “acted commendably.” Qayyim N. Moore, 25, of no known address, died at the scene of the shooting at 4:25 p.m.. In a morning press conference, Streicher said two officers had shot Moore four times after he ran from police as they patted him down in the parking lot of the United Dairy Farmers store at Quebec Road and Queen City Avenue. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070528/NEWS01/305280012
May 29, 200718 yr Both from the 5/29/07 Enquirer: PHOTO: A police cruiser video shows two officers firing at a man who fired at them on Queen City Avenue on Sunday afternoon. The suspect, Qayyim M. Moore, 25, died at the scene. Cincinnati Police Department Multimedia Video: Cruiser cam of shooting Video: Streicher press conference Audio: UDF's 911 and police dispatch calls (MP3) Cops: Why did he fire? Homeless man shot at officers three times before dying BY DAN HORN | [email protected] Cincinnati police investigators spent most of Monday trying to figure out why a man suspected of stealing ice cream from a convenience store would open fire on police officers. Qayyim N. Moore, 25, was shot and killed Sunday after leading police on a wild chase down Queen City Avenue. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070529/NEWS01/705290394/ Shooting doesn't shake UC students Dorm damaged, but no injuries in Sunday morning incident BY STEVE KEMME | [email protected] UNIVERSITY HEIGHTS - A spurt of gunfire outside a University of Cincinnati dormitory early Sunday caused a lot of commotion but resulted in no injuries. Police said a group of 10 males were fighting outside Calhoun Hall at 3:30 a.m. when one of them pulled out a gun and fired four shots. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070529/NEWS01/705290395/
May 29, 200718 yr ^ The cause of the fight was unclear, but "it may have been over a gold necklace that one of the gentlemen was wearing," Assistant University Police Chief Peggy Rose said. Are guys fighting with guns really considered gentlemen? ;)
May 29, 200718 yr What I find shocking about the UC incident is that it managed to get soo much damn media coverage. The Enquirer has run multiple stories, as well as, the other local media outlets. But what is most shocking is that it also got coverage from the Cleveland Plain Dealer and the Columbus Dispatch...what is up?!?!
May 29, 200718 yr I actually saw the police response to the shooting walking home from the Taste of Cincinnati. The UC cops were all over the scene and looked like they did a good job of responding.
May 30, 200718 yr What I find shocking about the UC incident is that it managed to get soo much damn media coverage. The Enquirer has run multiple stories, as well as, the other local media outlets. But what is most shocking is that it also got coverage from the Cleveland Plain Dealer and the Columbus Dispatch...what is up?!?! Probably because it happend right after the Virginia Tech massacre.
May 30, 200718 yr ^ I would think any shooting on a college campus will get media attention even if no one is hurt.
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